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Official DLC Speculation Discussion Volume II

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RileyXY1

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They were discussing a leak regarding Falcom content. I'm trying to speculate on other things that would potentially hint at or at least be a more viable conclusion to whom FP11 is.
As well as that League of Legends rumor, in the event that Kazuya's Mii costume wave includes a Premium Hollow Knight Mii Swordfighter costume with a remix of Sealed Vessel. But even if a Hollow Knight Mii costume does come, that is not a guarantee that CP11 is going to be a League of Legends rep.
 
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MattX20

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My current speculation thought process for whom FP11 is boils down to these factors:

1. If the character in question is from a franchise already repped in Smash with playable characters, do they have enough content to actively justify a spot? A lot of people have argued for Waluigi or said a Gen 8 Pokemon is inevitable, but the problems they both share is lack of enough content beyond a stage to justify inclusion. Waluigi doesn't have much for spirit board content or music tracks specifically related to him, which makes him more likely to be a bonus character akin to Piranha Plant as opposed to a fighter pass character. Same is true for a Gen 8 Pokemon, especially when you also factor in that the Sword and Shield spirit event that happened very late in the first fighter pass, while FE3H had nothing until Byleth's reveal and release.

2. If the last character is female, would her outfit need to be drastically altered to fit in? This is largely looking at potential characters like Shantae or Morrigan, with the former getting in Smash Ultimate as a spirit based on the Half Genie Hero artwork, but not a single alteration occurred. While some female characters like Camilla from FE and Mythra had their cleavage covered up, the large majority of the censorship that CERO often enacts is around the legs and waist of the female characters (recall how Sakurai mentioned that they kept bugging him regarding Palutena's skirt and how that nearly made them miss the release deadline for Smash 4). Unlike Mai Shiranui whose based around seduction and distraction with her body, Shantae and Morrigan really aren't and the latter could get in relatively unchanged.

3. Will the character be a major 1st party or 3rd party pick or a more lowkey one for those two categories? This is by far the most contentious part as patterns are constantly upended or shattered through the speculation cycles for Ultimate. My current leaning is towards a more lowkey 3rd party pick or a 1st party pick like Ayumi Tachibana, but I could easily be wrong about this.
 
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1. If the character in question is from a franchise already repped in Smash with playable characters, do they have enough content to actively justify a spot? A lot of people have argued for Waluigi or said a Gen 8 Pokemon is inevitable, but the problems they both share is lack of enough content beyond a stage to justify inclusion. Waluigi doesn't have much for spirit board content or music tracks specifically related to him, which makes him more likely to be a bonus character akin to Piranha Plant as opposed to a fighter pass character. Same is true for a Gen 8 Pokemon, especially when you also factor in that the Sword and Shield spirit event that happened very late in the first fighter pass, while FE3H had nothing until Byleth's reveal and release.
While there are already a ton of Super Mario songs and Spirits, you can still add a bunch of tracks themed after the spin-offs since those are the only games he appears in. In fact, the most famous area associated with him is a Mario Kart track. Generation 8 has no stage or music, and only...what? 5 of the 400 Pokémon are Spirits? There would be 0 struggle for content for a Generation 8 Pokémon. The two are highly unlikely for other reasons, but not this.

2. If the last character is female, would her outfit need to be drastically altered to fit in? This is largely looking at potential characters like Shantae or Morrigan, with the former getting in Smash Ultimate as a spirit based on the Half Genie Hero artwork, but not a single alteration occurred. While some female characters like Camilla from FE and Mythra had their cleavage covered up, the large majority of the censorship that CERO often enacts is around the legs and waist of the female characters (recall how Sakurai mentioned that they kept bugging him regarding Palutena's skirt and how that nearly made them miss the release deadline for Smash 4). Unlike Mai Shiranui whose based around seduction and distraction with her body, Shantae and Morrigan really aren't and the latter could get in relatively unchanged.
Honestly I don't think CERO is going to stop them from adding a character because of their outfit unless it was avaunt guard levels of risque. Even Mai was probably a case of "it wasn't worth bothering for a background character" than a "she's too lewd to add period".
 

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Not to mention, wouldn't it happening now be a little suspicious?
In other words, wouldn't it make us REALLY think "Ayo Falcom character for CP11?"
To be honest I'd be pleasantly surprised if anyone outside the SmashBoards bubble is even aware of Falcom... And so anyone added would be slammed by the "I don't know so I don't like/anime bad" stigma, Adol especially. I've just resigned to the fact Adol would be largely regarded as "Red Marth/Roy 2."
 

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In terms of plausible characters, the only ones who I would actively dislike are Jonesy, Freddy Fazbear and another FE character. I'm basically chill with everyone else whether it's a Falcom character, Reimu, Waluigi, Dixie Kong or anybody in my signature. I've set my expectations very low.
 

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I don't really trust the Falcom 4chan leak for a couple reasons, but I don't doubt that Adol or Rean could take the last slot.

It really is tough right now to deduce who it could be right now imo. All I'm suspecting rn is that the final character is more low-key and a third party, and even then I could be wrong.
 

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Excatly. That, and Nintendo has done an excellent job of keeping the fighter's identities past MinMin a secret in this pass.
Tbh, it's less about that and more along the lines of what 2006ToyotaTacoma 2006ToyotaTacoma said. They probably had real info for these Falcom games, but could have just decided to be cheeky and add Smash in there.

We'll know in a few months, either way.

To be honest I'd be pleasantly surprised if anyone outside the SmashBoards bubble is even aware of Falcom... And so anyone added would be slammed by the "I don't know so I don't like/anime bad" stigma, Adol especially. I've just resigned to the fact Adol would be largely regarded as "Red Marth/Roy 2."
What about "Roy with a rock band"? :4pacman:
 

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To be honest I'd be pleasantly surprised if anyone outside the SmashBoards bubble is even aware of Falcom... And so anyone added would be slammed by the "I don't know so I don't like/anime bad" stigma, Adol especially. I've just resigned to the fact Adol would be largely regarded as "Red Marth/Roy 2."
There is one other Falcom rep that could destroy any Anime Swordboy stigma...


 

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Tbh, it's less about that and more along the lines of what 2006ToyotaTacoma 2006ToyotaTacoma said. They probably had real info for these Falcom games, but could have just decided to be cheeky and add Smash in there.

We'll know in a few months, either way.



What about "Roy with a rock band"? :4pacman:
Like how the Dante rumor during the base period did? It had legit DMCV info, Smash not so much

the LoL rumor COULD fall into this category too, but the Smash specific info has come true so far (it predicted a ToM spirit event) so it could go either way at this point
 

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If we will not get Agumon vs Pokémon..

Lets go for Pikachu vs Jibanyan
With no disrespect to Yokai Watch (I hope it manages to survive somehow), I'm pretty sure a chunk of the Digimon fandom would go on a killing spree if Bandai Namco made the game where Pokémon had its first crossover with another multimedia mon-genre franchise AND it was 'the new kid'.
 
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My current speculation thought process for whom FP11 is boils down to these factors:

1. If the character in question is from a franchise already repped in Smash with playable characters, do they have enough content to actively justify a spot? A lot of people have argued for Waluigi or said a Gen 8 Pokemon is inevitable, but the problems they both share is lack of enough content beyond a stage to justify inclusion. Waluigi doesn't have much for spirit board content or music tracks specifically related to him, which makes him more likely to be a bonus character akin to Piranha Plant as opposed to a fighter pass character. Same is true for a Gen 8 Pokemon, especially when you also factor in that the Sword and Shield spirit event that happened very late in the first fighter pass, while FE3H had nothing until Byleth's reveal and release.

2. If the last character is female, would her outfit need to be drastically altered to fit in? This is largely looking at potential characters like Shantae or Morrigan, with the former getting in Smash Ultimate as a spirit based on the Half Genie Hero artwork, but not a single alteration occurred. While some female characters like Camilla from FE and Mythra had their cleavage covered up, the large majority of the censorship that CERO often enacts is around the legs and waist of the female characters (recall how Sakurai mentioned that they kept bugging him regarding Palutena's skirt and how that nearly made them miss the release deadline for Smash 4). Unlike Mai Shiranui whose based around seduction and distraction with her body, Shantae and Morrigan really aren't and the latter could get in relatively unchanged.

3. Will the character be a major 1st party or 3rd party pick or a more lowkey one for those two categories? This is by far the most contentious part as patterns are constantly upended or shattered through the speculation cycles for Ultimate. My current leaning is towards a more lowkey 3rd party pick or a 1st party pick like Ayumi Tachibana, but I could easily be wrong about this.
Mmh, yeah it depends. For what it’s worth, Gen 8 Pokémon doesn’t have a stage or music and only a barebones amount of Spirits, so there’s definitely a challenger pack to be made for it. Especially if you factor in additions like the Aegis after we got a good amount of Spirits and other content from Xenoblade 2 in the base game and Min Min with a handful of Spirits and Mii Costumes as well. The release date of the SwSh Spirits is a bit more alarming than base game of course, but that’s a story for another time and honestly the gap between a possible Three Houses Spirit Event and Byleth was a good deal shorter than the SwSh to CP11 pipeline. (Did we ever get Spirits for the SwSh DLC? If not, that’d also be a notable enough absence in both content and evented release dates)
 

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Mmh, yeah it depends. For what it’s worth, Gen 8 Pokémon doesn’t have a stage or music and only a barebones amount of Spirits, so there’s definitely a challenger pack to be made for it. Especially if you factor in additions like the Aegis after we got a good amount of Spirits and other content from Xenoblade 2 in the base game and Min Min with a handful of Spirits and Mii Costumes as well. The release date of the SwSh Spirits is a bit more alarming than base game of course, but that’s a story for another time and honestly the gap between a possible Three Houses Spirit Event and Byleth was a good deal shorter than the SwSh to CP11 pipeline. (Did we ever get Spirits for the SwSh DLC? If not, that’d also be a notable enough absence in both content and evented release dates)
It still seems unlikely to me this late into the DLC lineup. Unlike FE, new generations of Pokemon are base game priority and not really DLC focused. Considering how Nintendo's basically moved on to the Gen 4 remakes, it seems that the window of promotional relevance has ended.
 

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It still seems unlikely to me this late into the DLC lineup. Unlike FE, new generations of Pokemon are base game priority and not really DLC focused. Considering how Nintendo's basically moved on to the Gen 4 remakes, it seems that the window of promotional relevance has ended.
I don't want a gen 8 Pokemon myself, but we've never seen overlap between a new Pokemon generation being released and Smash DLC. You can't just default to it being 100% out.
 

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Imagine if the last fighter gets a reveal trailer where ALL the other fighters are standing in front of a portal, waiting for the fighter to step out of it with the Smash invitation in hand.

And at the end, Mario goes "Alright... everyone is here now..."
 

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Imagine if the last fighter gets a reveal trailer where ALL the other fighters are standing in front of a portal, waiting for the fighter to step out of it with the Smash invitation in hand.

And at the end, Mario goes "Alright... everyone is here now..."
And then the new Rabbid girl shoves everyone out from in front of the portal and is the final character
 
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