Official DLC Speculation Discussion Volume II

[Perkilator]

Come to think of it, have you noticed that a lot of the new franchises introduced in Vol. 2 all have lame as hell and unspecific series symbols? ARMS uses a symbol from a tournament even though there's an in-universe logo for the Grand Prix, Minecraft uses a block resembling the computer start-up...thing (I forgot what it was called) even though the Creeper face is more recognizable even to people who don't play Minecraft, and Tekken just uses Kazuya's right hand even they literally have the kanji for "iron fist" (鉄拳) that the game is named after.

 

[Guynamednelson]

computer start-up...thing

It's an icon.

 

[DarthEnderX]

On this day 20 years ago, the Game Boy Advance was released in Europe. What's your favourite memory of this handheld console? pic.twitter.com/JJNwCbCTZq

— Nintendo of Europe (@NintendoEurope) June 22, 2021

3 Castlevanias, Street Fighter Alpha 3^ and Minish Cap!

 

[Pupp135]

Out of curiosity, how would people react to a Dragon King fighter being CP11 since SSB was Dragon King’s “successor”?

 

[Goombaic]

Come to think of it, have you noticed that a lot of the new franchises introduced in Vol. 2 all have lame as hell and unspecific series symbols? ARMS uses a symbol from a tournament even though there's an in-universe logo for the Grand Prix, Minecraft uses a block resembling the computer start-up...thing (I forgot what it was called) even though the Creeper face is more recognizable even to people who don't play Minecraft, and Tekken just uses Kazuya's right hand even they literally have the kanji for "iron fist" (鉄拳) that the game is named after.

I thought the grass block was a good emblem for Minecraft.

Is it weird to simultaneously think it would be a bad look for Bandai Namco to get a third rep as the last character, but also be kind of stuck on the idea Tamagotchi has sold 82 Million units as of 2017?

Even while basing character speculation off sales numbers alone (which 9/10 will lead to terrible conclusions) there's still a handful of 100+ million selling franchises that could be added.

 

[Technomage]

Out of curiosity, how would people react to a Dragon King fighter being CP11 since SSB was Dragon King’s “successor”?

I'd be surprised and find it an interesting concept.

 

[GoodGrief741]

Except it isn't generic considering it's the same kind of glove the two younger Mishima wear. It's their most defining piece of gear.

I know it is but that's why it's not great as a series emblem. It only represents specific characters rather than the franchise overall. If it was like Fire Emblem where there isn't an overarching symbol it'd be fine, but Tekken is actually a tournament that exists in-universe.

Also let's not kid ourselves. It's Kazuya's most iconic piece of gear but that's not really saying much. For anyone who isn't familiar with Tekken it's meaningless and generic. It's like if Fatal Fury had Terry's hat as its icon, sure you can point at Terry's design and it's there but that hardly makes it a good choice to rep the series.

 

[SNEKeater]

I just hope that chokeslam move is a true grab

doesnt tekken rage go away once u spend it on a move ?

Yeah. When Kazuya uses that move his red aura goes away. So I guess he will be able to do one Rage attack for stock, well, like in Tekken, assuming said Rage attack actually damages the opponent.

 

[Idon]

Out of curiosity, how would people react to a Dragon King fighter being CP11 since SSB was Dragon King’s “successor”?

Possibly the worst possible addition to the game I could feasibly think of since the only people that would even remotely enjoy that would be people who read that factoid on a website somewhere and have zero interests in any other video games on the planet.

 

[Twilord]

Even basing character speculation off sales numbers alone (which 9/10 will lead to terrible conclusions) there's still a handful of 100+ million selling franchises that could be added.

Not saying it should be added. Hell even when I thought the second Bandai Namco rep would be one of Bandai's V-Pets my money would have been on the other one.

I guess I do think they should probably have a Mametchi Mii Costume based on the combination of that and surprising historical significance.

It's just kinda gotten stuck in my head how many series in Smash Bros will probably never hit that count.

 

[Technomage]

Possibly the worst possible addition to the game I could feasibly think of since the only people that would even remotely enjoy that would be people who read that factoid on a website somewhere and have zero interests in any other video games on the planet.

Hmmmm, I see; I guess that'd be best as a base game character.

 

[cashregister9]

Tekken's logo may be generic but at least it is an icon from series unlike ARMS

 

[GoodGrief741]

Out of curiosity, how would people react to a Dragon King fighter being CP11 since SSB was Dragon King’s “successor”?

I'd be down. It would be received terribly but I think it would grow on people with time, as it's very much a tribute to Smash itself. It'd probably be best as a bonus fighter though.

 

[subterrestrial]

tabuu > dragonking

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Possibly the worst possible addition to the game I could feasibly think of since the only people that would even remotely enjoy that would be people who read that factoid on a website somewhere and have zero interests in any other video games on the planet.

Also the one "character" we saw from development footage went on to become Captain Falcon so we technically have some already.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Thanks, I hate it. Should've gone with the Tekken kanji instead of the most generic emblem you can give to a fighting game.

Tekken is Japanese for "iron fist"

If you still don't get why the Tekken emblem is what it is, I don't know what to say.

Also, saying that a fist is generic, but just writing out the kanji for the series' name isn't the same level of genericness as what Street Fighter or Final Fantasy got.

 

[Perkilator]

Tekken is Japanese for "iron fist"

If you still don't get why the Tekken emblem is what it is, I don't know what to say.

Also, saying that a fist is generic, but just writing out the kanji for the series' name isn't the same level of genericness as what Street Fighter or Final Fantasy got.

At least with the kanji (which is part of the logo for every Tekken game ever, mind), it's something you can associate with Tekken if you're familiar enough with it. The kanji meaning "iron fist" isn't a good enough justification for slapping Kazuya's right fist as a logo and calling it a day (at least to me).

 

[Guynamednelson]

but just writing out the kanji for the series' name

Said kanji is always in the games' logos.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Said kanji is always in the games' logos.

I love how you cut out the rest of my statement when SF and FF got exactly that; their initials being taken from logos.

I'm not saying the kanji wouldn't be a neat emblem in Smash, just that saying that a fist is generic while the kanji isn't... well, that's just not true.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

At least Tekken's emblem makes some modicum of sense.

Which is more than you can say about Mega Man's emblem if you aren't Japanese since Mega Man 11 is the only game in the series with a gear motif worldwide.

 

[Twilord]

To be honest the Xenoblade symbol bugs me a bit. The cut-off Monado bothers me, it bugged me even when it was just Shulk.

The symbol for initiating combat when targeting an enemy would still have the Monado - but be a full version of it crossing against another sword; in effect creating an X.

 

[Technomage]

To be honest the Xenoblade symbol bugs me a bit. The cut-off Monado bothers me, it bugged me even when it was just Shulk.

The symbol for initiating combat when targeting an enemy would still have the Monado - but be a full version of it crossing against another sword; in effect creating an X.

I haven't thought about that, but yeah, that does seem weird; also makes it look less refined.

 

[Dan Quixote]

At least Tekken's emblem makes some modicum of sense.

Which is more than you can say about Mega Man's emblem if you aren't Japanese since Mega Man 11 is the only game in the series with a gear motif worldwide.

I'm okay with Mega Man's symbol for the same reason I'm okay with the Super Mario symbol being the Super Mushroom. It might not be pulled from a logo or anything but it's an item from the game that any Smash player will recognize as being THAT series. Which the Tekken and Arms fists don't really do since other games have fists.

To be honest the Xenoblade symbol bugs me a bit. The cut-off Monado bothers me, it bugged me even when it was just Shulk.

The symbol for initiating combat when targeting an enemy would still have the Monado - but be a full version of it crossing against another sword; in effect creating an X.

Also now it doesn't make sense because we have major Xenoblade Chronicles 2 content, which uses a totally different sword. Unfortunately I have no idea what symbol could replace the cut-off Monado, though. There's really very little overlap between the two games in terms of common important icons. The X would be a bit basic but I guess it would allude to the entire Xeno series?

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I mean, Street Fighter is at least a stylized SF. It's not great, but a bit better than some. FF is pretty boring. Why not use something that's notable among the entire franchise? I get it's more FFVII, so even the Buster Sword would've worked. Or something iconic from that game.

But not every series' symbol is gonna be a winner.

Also, I didn't even know that about MegaMan. It does help that it screams "robot" to me, at least.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

I'm okay with Mega Man's symbol for the same reason I'm okay with the Super Mario symbol being the Super Mushroom. It might not be pulled from a logo or anything but it's an item from the game that any Smash player will recognize as being THAT series.

There is no gear item tho...

Well, not until Mega Man 11 which didn't come out until after Mega Man's debut in Super Smash Bros.

 

[Mushroomguy12]

Gotta go fast!

【スピリッツイベント】
6/25(金)から3日間、「時代を駆け抜けろ！ ソニックシリーズ30周年」を開催！ 期間中、スピリッツボードにソニックシリーズのスピリッツがたくさん出現。バトルに勝利すると、いつもより多めにゴールドを入手できます。#スマブラSP pic.twitter.com/WtGd3VstH0

— 大乱闘スマッシュブラザーズ【スマブラ公式】 (@SmashBrosJP) June 23, 2021

[Spirit event] "Run through the times! Sonic Series 30th Anniversary" will be held for 3 days from 6/25 (Fri.)! During the period, many Sonic series spirits will appear on the spirits board. If you win the battle, you will get more gold than usual. #Smash Bros SP

 

[Inferno7]

welp, this hurts

https://twitter.com/SmashBrosJP/status/1407503673559859202

what do you guys make of this? I think the dream is dead now tbh, no more Sonic characters for this game it seems

Edit: got Ninja'd

 

[Twilord]

I'm okay with Mega Man's symbol for the same reason I'm okay with the Super Mario symbol being the Super Mushroom. It might not be pulled from a logo or anything but it's an item from the game that any Smash player will recognize as being THAT series. Which the Tekken and Arms fists don't really do since other games have fists.


Also now it doesn't make sense because we have major Xenoblade Chronicles 2 content, which uses a totally different sword. Unfortunately I have no idea what symbol could replace the cut-off Monado, though. There's really very little overlap between the two games in terms of common important icons. The X would be a bit basic but I guess it would allude to the entire Xeno series?

I have a design on my computer I did a while back. The left to right stroke of the X is a flipped version of Xenoblade X's X and the right to left stroke is based on Xenoblade 2's X.

There is one thing that could be used but there is a laundry list of reasons it would be a bad idea.

 

[GoodGrief741]

Tekken is Japanese for "iron fist"

If you still don't get why the Tekken emblem is what it is, I don't know what to say.

Also, saying that a fist is generic, but just writing out the kanji for the series' name isn't the same level of genericness as what Street Fighter or Final Fantasy got.

It feels pretty patronizing to tell me what Tekken means as if I didn't know already. Any Tekken fan does.

And ****, maybe a kanji is generic as an emblem for Japanese audiences. But it certainly isn't for the rest of the world. For us it's not "oh boring they just wrote Tekken", it's "oh yeah it's the kanji that's on every Tekken logo".

 

[Technomage]

Gotta go fast!

【スピリッツイベント】
6/25(金)から3日間、「時代を駆け抜けろ！ ソニックシリーズ30周年」を開催！ 期間中、スピリッツボードにソニックシリーズのスピリッツがたくさん出現。バトルに勝利すると、いつもより多めにゴールドを入手できます。#スマブラSP pic.twitter.com/WtGd3VstH0

— 大乱闘スマッシュブラザーズ【スマブラ公式】 (@SmashBrosJP) June 23, 2021

[Spirit event] "Run through the times! Sonic Series 30th Anniversary" will be held for 3 days from 6/25 (Fri.)! During the period, many Sonic series spirits will appear on the spirits board. If you win the battle, you will get more gold than usual. #Smash Bros SP

Could have used that opportunity to add more Sonic spirits.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Gotta go fast!

【スピリッツイベント】
6/25(金)から3日間、「時代を駆け抜けろ！ ソニックシリーズ30周年」を開催！ 期間中、スピリッツボードにソニックシリーズのスピリッツがたくさん出現。バトルに勝利すると、いつもより多めにゴールドを入手できます。#スマブラSP pic.twitter.com/WtGd3VstH0

— 大乱闘スマッシュブラザーズ【スマブラ公式】 (@SmashBrosJP) June 23, 2021

[Spirit event] "Run through the times! Sonic Series 30th Anniversary" will be held for 3 days from 6/25 (Fri.)! During the period, many Sonic series spirits will appear on the spirits board. If you win the battle, you will get more gold than usual. #Smash Bros SP

So? Does this indicate an deconfirmation for a Sonic character?

 

[Perkilator]

I mean, Street Fighter is at least a stylized SF. It's not great, but a bit better than some. FF is pretty boring. Why not use something that's notable among the entire franchise?

At least the font used for the two F's uses the font from the Final Fantasy logo, which has the benefit of being easily recognizable throughout the franchise.

 

[Mushroomguy12]

Excuse to post Studiopolis Zone aka gold for the ears finally realized.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Guess its between Arle and a SMT rep for a Sega character at this point. Rest in pepperoni Sonic rep.

 

[Perkilator]

Guess its between Arle and a SMT rep for a Sega character at this point. Rest in pepperoni Sonic rep.

I think if this was a death knell for a new Sonic rep, they would've teased new Sonic Spirits.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

Guess its between Arle and a SMT rep for a Sega character at this point. Rest in pepperoni Sonic rep.

Still holding out for Kiryu.

 

[GoodGrief741]

Street Fighter and Final Fantasy are real head-scratchers too because they have plenty of iconic elements that could have made for emblems. SF could have had a hadouken, or a silhouette of Ryu doing a Shoryuken. FF in particular really missed out on using, y'know, a freaking crystal.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

And ****, maybe a kanji is generic as an emblem for Japanese audiences. But it certainly isn't for the rest of the world. For us it's not "oh boring they just wrote Tekken", it's "oh yeah it's the kanji that's on every Tekken logo".

It would still be the equivalent of making Xenoblade's logo a "X" just because it's on every game's logo. It works, but it's not exactly original.

With that said, I did say the kanji as an emblem wouldn't be a bad thing either, it's just that it's weird to try to claim that literally using the logo is more creative than... a fist since both can be seen as a lazy option by people.

Especially since the design of said fist makes it clear that it's Kazuya's fist due to what said fist is wearing, so it's at least trying to be clearly Tekken without outright using the logo as if it was the only recognizable thing that franchise has.

 

[Inferno7]

Street Fighter and Final Fantasy are real head-scratchers too because they have plenty of iconic elements that could have made for emblems. SF could have had a hadouken, or a silhouette of Ryu doing a Shoryuken. FF in particular really missed out on using, y'know, a freaking crystal.

I think they simply used ''FF'' in case they needed somebody from a different game
Didn't happen at the end, though

 

[Ivander]

Guess its between Arle and a SMT rep for a Sega character at this point. Rest in pepperoni Sonic rep.

I still think Phantasy Star has a fair chance for a Sega rep. Will it happen? Got to wait and see if it does.