Official DLC Speculation Discussion Volume II

[GilTheGreat19]

What would also be based is if it was more than one enemy and after fleeing because of them getting it handed to them, Leon says the iconic “Where’s everyone going? Bingo?” remark.

franticly looks around





Also, here's proof about my previous claim that Apex is huge af in Japan

Vtubers take over of Japanese esports with Apex Legends

Using Japan's most popular vtubers, Apex Legends esports events have drawn League of Legends World Championship viewership numbers.

www.upcomer.com

I wouldn't be surprised if we get content from that game, even with EA's well-known greediness

 

[Ivander]

I don't expect the next Smash Bros. to bring back every 3rd Party back. Some of them, sure. All of them. Definitely not. Especially in the cases of Square(due to the vast amount of licenses despite their willingness) and Konami(due to being a wild card).

That's not to say that the next Smash Bros. won't be good or will not have a pretty good roster on it's own. Like not just any new 3rd Parties that enter the roster. I mean, when you look at just the Nintendo side of the roster, it's pretty dang good. Like besides having the currant roster and return of many veterans like Pokemon Trainer and Wolf, and the Zelda cast being diversified from different games rather than Link, Zelda and Ganondorf being from the same game, we got frickin' Ridley, King K. Rool, Daisy, Dark Samus, Splatoon, ARMS, Pyra & Mythra, a Fire Emblem character that uses other physical weapons besides just a sword with Byleth, a wrestler character with Incineroar, etc.

Like being a treasure trove of 3rd Parties crossovers isn't just the only strength that Super Smash Bros. has. It still has a fantastic list of Nintendo characters, both in the playable list(with 23 series) and those yet to become playable. If they bring a bunch of wanted 1st Party characters that people have wanted alongside new additions from newer games, I think the reception will still be pretty positive even with some of the 3rd Party removals.
Kinda like how the Nintendo Direct was received this month. We got Metroid Dread, we got Advance Wars, we got WarioWare, we got a classic Mario Party game, we got Super Monkey Ball, we got Fatal Frame, etc. And alongside games we knew were coming like Breath of the Wild 2, Shin Megami Tensei 5, Monster Hunter Stories 2, Mario + Rabbids 2, etc. Like we got a diverse amount of games and game series shown off and the reception was very positive.

I think the next Smash Bros. can still be very good if Nintendo can back-up any 3rd Party removals with a diverse new lineup of 1st Parties and new 3rd Parties. We may not get Metal Gear or Dragon Quest, but we can still get other 3rd Party series like Monster Hunter or even Indie series like Undertale.
And after Little Mac, Dark Samus and Isabelle, who's going to be the next Assist Trophy to become playable? Is it going to be Isaac? Is it going to be Takamaru? Ashley? Krystal? Is Waluigi going to escape the Assist Trophy curse? Or if some 3rd Party series returns? Maybe Alucard? Maybe Zero? Maybe Shovel Knight?
And what is going to be the new Nintendo series to get a playable character? Golden Sun? Advance Wars? Astral Chain? Ring Fit Adventure? Like, sure we are all thinking, "Which characters are we going to lose?" first and foremost, but some of these other questions are also interesting to think about.

Like Ultimate is a legendary game all on it's own with it's vast amount of crossovers and whatnot. And it's going to be hard to top it off. But I think Nintendo can still make a very good Smash Bros. game after Ultimate if it brings just as many new series and unique characters. Heck, not just with potential new characters relating to series getting new games coming out like Advance Wars, but we still have the Smash Ballot. And the Smash Ballot wasn't just able to give us some very wanted character like Ridley, King K. Rool and Castlevania, but also bring some wanted characters as Assist Trophies that could potentially become new characters in the next game, like Isaac or Alucard.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

You know the sillyness that was going on about people calling Kazuya a shoto? Well Hungrybox made a new meme tier list:

Shoto Tier: Ryu, Ken, Mega Man, Mii Brawler, Mario, Luigi, Zelda, Ridley, Samus, Dark Samus, Simon, Richter, Kirby, Ice Climbers.

That was a good laugh. lol

 

[subterrestrial]

Like Ultimate is a legendary game all on it's own with it's vast amount of crossovers and whatnot. And it's going to be hard to top it off. But I think Nintendo can still make a very good Smash Bros. game after Ultimate if it brings just as many new series and unique characters.

the thing is, the next smash game doesn't have to "top" ultimate if its on a different console because they aren't competing.

they'll never top "everyone is here" in the same vein that they'll never top SSE

 

[GilTheGreat19]

What if instead of "Everyone is Here!"
They just go "Everywhere is Here!"

Bam, you can now battle on all stages including but not limited to

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

What if instead of "Everyone is Here!"
They just go "Everywhere is Here!"

Bam, you can now battle on all stages including but not limited to

Me: Eh, one of the criticisms of ultimate was that there were only 3 new stages, and of the missing ones, only a few of them are missed super hard.
Also Me: quotes post

Spoiler: Image

Me: ...

 

[Ivander]

What if instead of "Everyone is Here!"
They just go "Everywhere is Here!"

Bam, you can now battle on all stages including but not limited to

I do think them expanding Stage Creator and doing a Mario Maker-style Adventure Mode would be cool.

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

As far as the next Smash, I think the ideal way to re-incorporate more classic single player content with a roster that will big regardless of cuts is to have a user generated infrastructure to effectively make it. Players creating their own break the targets, board the platforms, spirit battles, and so on could provide a ton of content if the system is in place to allow it. That approach in general could be way to really differentiate a next Smash, especially if they allowed for more customization with Mii character appearances/movesets as well as stage maker to more or less advertise the next SSB as one being made for and by the fanbase.

 

[Guynamednelson]

They just go "Everywhere is Here!"

Bam, you can now battle on all stages

I think one of the reasons characters that needed new stages (besides Inklings and Belmonts) were screwed in the base game was because they didn't have time to model new stages after remodeling a lot of old ones. So no thanks.

 

[AinsOoalGown]

Even with the licensing costs, if they did a 'deluxe edition' later on and sold it for full MSRP, hell even $40 you're really telling me they wouldn't cover those costs AND still rake in a lot of profit? Even if just half the 23 MILLION people who bought Ultimate originally rebought it for the deluxe edition or super deluxe editions with the new content they're reselling content they've MORE than recouped their money on and even with the licensing.

We also can't just say 'but THE LICENSING!' because we don't even know how much each companies cuts are OR what the deal even covered (Such as these hypothetical editions).

It's all speculation unless you can find and run the numbers to prove it wouldn't still be profitable for Nintendo. Which I just can't imagine why it wouldn't be if the deals as they've been so far have been worthwhile from the start,

Honestly you are probably absolutely right, taking into account the lesser risks and bigger worth too that other users pointed out (not to mention the possibility of a clause to ports which is not unsavvy to have in current gen games) a port/deluxe is way more plausible than certain people seem to think, save of course a third party going full sony but these deals arent nearly as uncommon or impossible as some seem to think

(though it is very funny watching arm-chair "analysts" with zero knowledge of how any industry works trying to furiously "disprove" this very obvious possibility and "explain" how the percentages they dont know and maximizing of profits cant be worthy or wont make sense with 0 insight/data to confirm it, in the age of service-games no less, gotta love forum "specialists", who force facts over industries they dont know, who I think just really want that magical reboot to make the game how they want even though they would despise the end result). Yes, licensing models for dlc can translate in harder to attain contracts but anyone who thinks its impossible, harder or more "nightmarish" than an actual full new project or bound to be less worthy than a new entry is very deluded and may want to look further in how these deals go, specially when many licensing deals are needed even for certain types of first party content.

It still can go both ways if a licenser goes all Disney/Sony but as it stands and in the current climate, if Nintendo can have their way I absolutely see them being savvy enough to try for the port/deluxe route for the next gen, they know a new entry wont hold up and third party licensing absolutely wont go to the degree of outweighting the expenses of a full new entry

This whole thing is exactly why it's so hard to rerelease certain games with crossovers intact. Making a Deluxe version of Ultimate would cost enough for Nintendo to simply think it's not justifiable, and instead just make a new game with cuts. Sakurai pretty much already said Ultimate was a one time deal, and people here really need to stop bargaining and face reality.

I find it hilarious that someone thinks game development and its related costs are so cheap that licensing issues would outweight it, and this much. No data, no sourcing, no knowledge of game development or publishing but people will like a straight up lie because it says what they want to hear so we can speculate about the magic reboot. While definetly no guarantee, anyone who thinks a deluxe would be straight up "impossible" needs to face reality, and anyone who flat out lies that it would cost more than a straight up new gen project needs to just not try to gaslight others in disinformation, because at this point this stops being an argument and becomes gaslighting when it needs to involve data-less, source-less claims. May as well say your uncle works at Game Freak and leaked Mewthree early if youre going to lie "absolute" statements.

I know I may be sounding harsh in general but I worked with lots of rigorous research and had to deal with months of people trying to prove sourceless bs in certain fields while having no scientific background so Im not very patient with people who make bold claims with no data and proof about subjects they have no insight, background, or deep analysis to back it up.

I'm just saying
Having Simon, Richter, and a resurrected Luigi get their butts whipped by a RE enemy outside Dracula's Castle, only for someone like Leon to save them would be based.

What if they found out

Spoiler

Wesker

is controlling the enemies instead though?

Gonna try to make mine at least a little realistic
82. Rean Schwarzer
83. Officer Howard
84. Crash Bandicoot
85. Master Chief
86. Neku
87. Ring Fit Trainee
88. Nahobino
89. Phoenix Wright
90. Isaac
91. Prof Layton
92. Spyro
93. Adol Christin
94. Ryu Hayabusa
95. Dr Eggman
96. Dante
97. Doomslayer
98. Monokuma
99. Rayman
100. Waluigi

I actually really like these choices, but would they be able to pull off Astral Chain mechanics now that we know Rex was too complicated?

 

[MaplePie]

I'm assuming that assist trophies and characters who are already Mii costumes are okay.

1. Dante
2. Vergil (revealed alongside Dante as a bonus to finish off Fighters Pass 2)
3. Isaac (Golden Sun)
4. Geno
5. Crash Bandicoot (with Coco Bandicoot as a Crash echo fighter)
6. Dr. Eggman (with Tails as a Sonic echo fighter, though more on the Ken or Chrom side where there are some significant differences)
7. Doomguy
8. Ryu Hayabusa
9. Rayman
10. Sol Badguy
11. Impa (Age of Calamity)
12. Bandanna Waddle Dee
13. Dixie Kong
14. Shovel Knight
15. Shantae
16. Elma
17. 2B
18. Porky
19. Sans

If I can randomly throw some more echo fighters in there, I'd add Octoling from Splatoon and Jeanne from Bayonetta.

It's nice to see atleast one of the picks contain Porky. He's a very underrated choice.

 

[SKX31]

Mii predictions for next week.

Dig Dug (Gunner)
Jin Kazama (Brawler)
Kuma and Panda Mii Hats
Lloyd Irving (Swordfighter)
Nightmare (Swordfighter)
Yoshimitsu (Swordfighter)

Couldn't resist. Nah but Kuma / Panda hats would be amazing. Also, I honestly wouldn't be surprised if we saw an out-of-left-field Mii like Reiji / Xiaomu (NxC / PxZ), God Eater's protagonist or Soma, or even Valkyrie.

I don't expect the next Smash Bros. to bring back every 3rd Party back. Some of them, sure. All of them. Definitely not. Especially in the cases of Square(due to the vast amount of licenses despite their willingness) and Konami(due to being a wild card).

That's not to say that the next Smash Bros. won't be good or will not have a pretty good roster on it's own. Like not just any new 3rd Parties that enter the roster. I mean, when you look at just the Nintendo side of the roster, it's pretty dang good. Like besides having the currant roster and return of many veterans like Pokemon Trainer and Wolf, and the Zelda cast being diversified from different games rather than Link, Zelda and Ganondorf being from the same game, we got frickin' Ridley, King K. Rool, Daisy, Dark Samus, Splatoon, ARMS, Pyra & Mythra, a Fire Emblem character that uses other physical weapons besides just a sword with Byleth, a wrestler character with Incineroar, etc.

Like being a treasure trove of 3rd Parties crossovers isn't just the only strength that Super Smash Bros. has. It still has a fantastic list of Nintendo characters, both in the playable list(with 23 series) and those yet to become playable. If they bring a bunch of wanted 1st Party characters that people have wanted alongside new additions from newer games, I think the reception will still be pretty positive even with some of the 3rd Party removals.
Kinda like how the Nintendo Direct was received this month. We got Metroid Dread, we got Advance Wars, we got WarioWare, we got a classic Mario Party game, we got Super Monkey Ball, we got Fatal Frame, etc. And alongside games we knew were coming like Breath of the Wild 2, Shin Megami Tensei 5, Monster Hunter Stories 2, Mario + Rabbids 2, etc. Like we got a diverse amount of games and game series shown off and the reception was very positive.

I think the next Smash Bros. can still be very good if Nintendo can back-up any 3rd Party removals with a diverse new lineup of 1st Parties and new 3rd Parties. We may not get Metal Gear or Dragon Quest, but we can still get other 3rd Party series like Monster Hunter or even Indie series like Undertale.
And after Little Mac, Dark Samus and Isabelle, who's going to be the next Assist Trophy to become playable? Is it going to be Isaac? Is it going to be Takamaru? Ashley? Krystal? Is Waluigi going to escape the Assist Trophy curse? Or if some 3rd Party series returns? Maybe Alucard? Maybe Zero? Maybe Shovel Knight?
And what is going to be the new Nintendo series to get a playable character? Golden Sun? Advance Wars? Astral Chain? Ring Fit Adventure? Like, sure we are all thinking, "Which characters are we going to lose?" first and foremost, but some of these other questions are also interesting to think about.

Like Ultimate is a legendary game all on it's own with it's vast amount of crossovers and whatnot. And it's going to be hard to top it off. But I think Nintendo can still make a very good Smash Bros. game after Ultimate if it brings just as many new series and unique characters. Heck, not just with potential new characters relating to series getting new games coming out like Advance Wars, but we still have the Smash Ballot. And the Smash Ballot wasn't just able to give us some very wanted character like Ridley, King K. Rool and Castlevania, but also bring some wanted characters as Assist Trophies that could potentially become new characters in the next game, like Isaac or Alucard.

That's honestly where I stand on regarding Post-Ultimate. To add to this:

1. Yes, there are still several improvements that Smash 6 can benefit from to make it stand on its own. The online is the most visible area since the official online modes have been rather barebones and considered poor (one can certainly make the argument that fan-made online modes - not just talking Slippi but also emulated 64 / Brawl - outstrip the official online modes). Beyond fixing online's infamous delay + separating unranked and ranked* one could certainly add Smashdown and other multiplayer modes to arenas.

*Sidenote: While I kinda prefer 4's solution over Ultimate's if only because you could be certain of getting what one wanted, it's not like 4's solution was great either since For Glory meant meeting people of really varying skill levels with no indication beforehand. For all the faults GSP has at least it kinda does adress that issue to some extent.

2. Also, single player content like LiveStudioAudience pointed out, the single player modes and sharing them. This also ties into my point re: the online since those could also be more fully integrated with the online (sharing BTT stages in arenas for example, Co-Op has already been a thing with Break the Targets in Brawl). Fleshing out the single player experience some more is never a bad idea if it's feasible,

3. I'm in the camp who thinks that redesigning existing characters is not a bad idea - quite the opposite. Of course, my MW happens to be Dota 2 - a game where a playable character can and has on some occasions suddenly be redesigned to play completely differently - so I'm admitting where I'm coming from with this. I doubt Sakurai will go to that extent; but being given sword Smashes was so well-recieved that the changed Smashes became practically synonymous with the character (and I wouldn't be surprised if he got more popular as a result). It is worth exploring giving veterans new moves for this reason, even if one does not have to reinvent the wheel with most veterans.

 

[subterrestrial]

I find it hilarious that someone thinks game development and its related costs are so cheap that licensing issues would outweight it, and this much. No data, no sourcing, no knowledge of game development or publishing but people will like a straight up lie because it says what they want to hear so we can speculate about the magic reboot. While definetly no guarantee, anyone who thinks a deluxe would be straight up "impossible" needs to face reality, and anyone who flat out lies that it would cost more than a straight up new gen project needs to just not try to gaslight others in disinformation, because at this point this stops being an argument and becomes gaslighting when it needs to involve data-less, source-less claims. May as well say your uncle works at Game Freak and leaked Mewthree early if youre going to lie "absolute" statements.

bruh...sakurai himself said this **** was too expensive and won't happen again lmao

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I think one of the reasons characters that needed new stages (besides Inklings and Belmonts) were screwed in the base game was because they didn't have time to model new stages after remodeling a lot of old ones. So no thanks.

Yeah, I think it's pretty silly they did all the stages from scratch instead of just porting them over and do polishing up. Any cut stages should be for technical issues(which can include being unable to make it work the way you want to on the Switch), and even then, exceptions are fine. Pac-Maze not being in is ludicrous(and I don't even like the stage in practice). Unless it literally wouldn't mesh right with Stage Morph. That's a bit more understandable. You can remove a stage gimmick. That's okay. Likewise, Pyrosphere should've been back too. Who cares if another unrelated Ridley appears? They look different as night and day.

 

[Garteam]

the thing is, the next smash game doesn't have to "top" ultimate if its on a different console because they aren't competing.

The next Smash will still have to compete with Ultimate regardless of whether or not new copies of the latter are being produced because Ultimate will still exist in an easily playable form.

If people don't like the new Smash because they're underwhelmed with it relative to Ultimate, then they just won't play it.

 

[GoodGrief741]

(though it is very funny watching arm-chair "analysts" with zero knowledge of how any industry works trying to furiously "disprove" this very obvious possibility and "explain" how the percentages they dont know and maximizing of profits cant be worthy or wont make sense with 0 insight/data to confirm it, in the age of service-games no less, gotta love forum "specialists", who force facts over industries they dont know, who I think just really want that magical reboot to make the game how they want even though they would despise the end result)

Could have just tagged me man, no need to be shy!

And no I don't want a reboot nor do I think it's even reasonable to expect one.

 

[Shadowvegeta]

YR: After the Kazuya presentation, Sakurai announces the final fighters pass and to decide the fighters there will be another fighters ballot.

 

[subterrestrial]

The next Smash will still have to compete with Sm4sh regardless of whether or not new copies of the latter are being produced because Sm4sh will still exist in an easily playable form.

If people don't like the new Smash because they're underwhelmed with it relative to Sm4sh, then they just won't play it.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

YR: After the Kazuya presentation, Sakurai announces the final fighters pass and to decide the fighters there will be another fighters ballot.

I’ll take it!

 

[GoodGrief741]

The next Smash will still have to compete with Ultimate regardless of whether or not new copies of the latter are being produced because Ultimate will still exist in an easily playable form.

If people don't like the new Smash because they're underwhelmed with it relative to Ultimate, then they just won't play it.

To be fair the same thing happened with Melee and Brawl still sold way more. Granted disparity in install bases was a factor but I think most fans will buy the game anyway even if they don't like it as much.

 

[Garteam]

People organically moved from Smash for Wii U to Ultimate because it was a better product. It had more characters, a more robust single-player experience, and faster gameplay that was better balanced.

If Ultimate had a roster of 20 and was pathetically slow, people would still be playing Smash for Wii U.

 

[Goombaic]

YR: After the Kazuya presentation, Sakurai announces the final fighters pass and to decide the fighters there will be another fighters ballot.

"Can't wait to see who won 3 years later!"

 

[Dinoman96]

To be fair the same thing happened with Melee and Brawl still sold way more. Granted disparity in install bases was a factor but I think most fans will buy the game anyway even if they don't like it as much.

I think that's different because Brawl mostly letdown folks who were purely in it for competitive gameplay. Brawl at least banked itself on having more characters and stages and modes than Melee.

 

[GoodGrief741]

I think that's different because Brawl mostly letdown folks who were purely in it for competitive gameplay. Brawl at least banked itself on having more characters and stages and modes than Melee.

I imagine that the next game will have its own hook to make up for no "Everyone is Here!". Might be more stages and modes, or some other angle we can't think of - I wouldn't have called Custom Moves as being 4's but lo and behold.

Only thing we can be sure of is that it won't be rollback netcode because Nintendo

 

[subterrestrial]

People organically moved from Smash for Wii U to Ultimate because it was a better product. It had more characters, a more robust single-player experience, and faster gameplay that was better balanced.

If Ultimate had a roster of 20 and was pathetically slow, people would still be playing Smash for Wii U.

bro people organically moved on because different games on different consoles have different demographics...

the people who prefer ultimate play ultimate and the people who prefer sm4sh play sm4sh
(yes its still active)

gonna be the exact same thing whenever smash 6 releases

 

[Dinoman96]

they'll never top "everyone is here" in the same vein that they'll never top SSE

I'd argue they'd have topped SSE at this point considering that SSE was trash

 

[Mushroomguy12]

I'd argue they'd have topped SSE at this point considering that SSE was trash

It had its problems sure, but there was more good than bad in my opinon.

 

[Deleted member]

Cut talk is weird because we never bring up the very real possibility of Sakurai retiring from Smash or game dev as a whole & the series going on hiatus for the next decade+.

 

[Technomage]

Cut talk is weird because we never bring up the very real possibility of Sakurai retiring from Smash or game dev as a whole & the series going on hiatus for the next decade+.

Well, the reason we don't discuss the possibility of Sakurai retiring is because Japanese work culture frowns upon that (except for people who are decrepit and senile elders). I do, however, think there's a possibility for Smash to go on hiatus (or at least not have Sakurai work on Smash 6).

 

[Guynamednelson]

Cut talk is weird because we never bring up the very real possibility of Sakurai retiring from Smash or game dev as a whole & the series going on hiatus for the next decade+.

It's already weird to go "you can wait for the next game" for characters that aren't "DLC worthy" due to the gap between Ultimate and Smash 6 that Sakurai said could happen.

 

[Megadoomer]

YR: After the Kazuya presentation, Sakurai announces the final fighters pass and to decide the fighters there will be another fighters ballot.

While I feel like the fan reaction wouldn't be great by the end of it (considering that people still claim that the Smash Ballot was rigged over five years later, and people will inevitably whine because (insert character here) "deserved" to make it in more than any of the characters who were included), I'd be excited, though hopefully they'd be clearer about how the voting works. (how many times you can vote, which characters are eligible, whether your first or last vote is the one that's counted if you change your mind)

It would be interesting to see how a new Smash Ballot would turn out - for example, I feel like K. Rool and Dixie might have split the votes since they were both characters that people wanted to see who were from the same series, so maybe Dixie would do better if there was another ballot.

 

[The Rhythm Theif]

I don't expect the next Smash Bros. to bring back every 3rd Party back. Some of them, sure. All of them. Definitely not. Especially in the cases of Square(due to the vast amount of licenses despite their willingness) and Konami(due to being a wild card).

I mean, Konami owns Yu-Gi-Oh! now, so I'm not taking any chances on that.

That's not to say that the next Smash Bros. won't be good or will not have a pretty good roster on it's own. Like not just any new 3rd Parties that enter the roster. I mean, when you look at just the Nintendo side of the roster, it's pretty dang good. Like besides having the currant roster and return of many veterans like Pokemon Trainer and Wolf, and the Zelda cast being diversified from different games rather than Link, Zelda and Ganondorf being from the same game, we got frickin' Ridley, King K. Rool, Daisy, Dark Samus, Splatoon, ARMS, Pyra & Mythra, a Fire Emblem character that uses other physical weapons besides just a sword with Byleth, a wrestler character with Incineroar, etc.

a Fire Emblem character that uses other physical weapons besides just a sword with Byleth,

Robin: uses magic while also having a sword
Corrin: turns his/her literal LIMBS into a weapon while also having a sword

I think the next Smash Bros. can still be very good if Nintendo can back-up any 3rd Party removals with a diverse new lineup of 1st Parties and new 3rd Parties. We may not get Metal Gear or Dragon Quest, but we can still get other 3rd Party series like Monster Hunter or even Indie series like Undertale.
And after Little Mac, Dark Samus and Isabelle, who's going to be the next Assist Trophy to become playable? Is it going to be Isaac? Is it going to be Takamaru? Ashley? Krystal? Is Waluigi going to escape the Assist Trophy curse? Or if some 3rd Party series returns? Maybe Alucard? Maybe Zero? Maybe Shovel Knight?

If we're getting Zero, the X series version will likely end up being an assist trophy so we might end up with his Zero series version instead.

Like Ultimate is a legendary game all on it's own with it's vast amount of crossovers and whatnot. And it's going to be hard to top it off.

cough cough Capcom vs. SNK 2. cough cough

Sure CvS2 didn't have a vast crossover amount, but I'd thought I'd bring that up.

 

[ALongWistfulSquiggle]

Whatever the next Smash game does, I just hope it will be a little different gameplay-wise. I think part of that is my preference in characters. I usually gravitate towards midrange zoners and characters that have slightly above-average complexity. Ultimate didn't do me a lot of favors in either department, since a lot of mechanical complexity was removed in favor of balance (I'll admit it was the right call, but I miss a lot of the cancels and weird movement stuff) and the way movement works helps certain archetypes way more than others. Some characters are even pushed toward different archetypes because their old one doesn't work anymore. The way I feel about Ultimate is that some characters became really fun because of the system changes, others became way less fun, and there isn't a lot in the middle.

Ganondorf has always been someone I look at as a character I will improve with because I understand the game better and not because I learned new stuff about how he works. It's not something I mind, but in Ultimate I find that sentiment applies to a lot more characters than in past games. Maybe not a popular sentiment, but that's where I'm at. I'd just like to see some things adjusted to make the act of controlling characters more varied.

 

[CureParfait]

YR: After the Kazuya presentation, Sakurai announces the final fighters pass and to decide the fighters there will be another fighters ballot.

Oh boy, so many arguments on why so and so character fits Smash or not.

 

[Mushroomguy12]

What if instead of "Everyone is Here!"
They just go "Everywhere is Here!"

Bam, you can now battle on all stages including but not limited to

Bonus points if its a traveling stage and we can fight on top of his console collection.

Source

 

[Jomosensual]

Those in the Social Thread should know what I'm talking about, but earlier today we were dissecting a Youtube video that I linked to the thread. It was awful and poorly researched with blatant info (so I don't want to subject you guys to that vid), but at the end he said that this would be an ideal fighters pass.
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Is this an ideal pass to you guys? The social thread straight up said no, but I want to know what you guys think.

4/5 are good to me so I'd take it

 

[SNEKeater]

What would also be based is if it was more than one enemy and after fleeing because of them getting it handed to them, Leon says the iconic “Where’s everyone going? Bingo?” remark.

Resident Evil 4 alone has enough dumb but iconic one liners that would be great for a Leon reveal trailer lmao

 

[Ivander]

Robin: uses magic while also having a sword
Corrin: turns his/her literal LIMBS into a weapon while also having a sword

Hence why I said, "physical". Not "magical" or "limbsical/whatever for hands".

I'm just saying, we got a Fire Emblem character that also uses an Axe, Spear and Bow, three other notable weapon types in the series, compared to just only a Sword.

 

[CapitaineCrash]

franticly looks around





Also, here's proof about my previous claim that Apex is huge af in Japan

Vtubers take over of Japanese esports with Apex Legends

Using Japan's most popular vtubers, Apex Legends esports events have drawn League of Legends World Championship viewership numbers.

www.upcomer.com

I wouldn't be surprised if we get content from that game, even with EA's well-known greediness

I don't think EA is that greedy honestly. If Playstation all stars could have a EA character as DLC (Isaac Clarke), I'm pretty sure Smash could if Nintendo would want it. If EA have something to promote (Isaac Clarke DLC in All stars was very close to the release of Dead space 3), I'm sure they will accept to have representation in Smash.

 

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Resident Evil 4 alone has enough dumb but iconic one liners that would be great for a Leon reveal trailer lmao

Got a compilation.

What would also be based is if it was more than one enemy and after fleeing because of them getting it handed to them, Leon says the iconic “Where’s everyone going? Bingo?” remark.

All the Smash fighters run away from the zombies.

Leon: