Official DLC Speculation Discussion Volume II

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Would Amiibo count as “figures” for the last two including Kazuya in Sakurai’s drawer or no?

No. Cause unless that amiibo is unrelated to Smash, it's made based upon the render of the particular character.

It can for some. I.E. Shovel Knight's if he were to be the last character.

 

[DittoInDisguise]

Its possible these new additions are taking into account some early impressions of Ultimate base game content:

• Lack of a Xenoblade 2 and ARMS playable character.
• The same FF content as Smash 4
• Only 1 Namco-Bandai rep when they are developing the game. In addition, N-B content mainly represents their 80’s arcade era.

The only exception is Steve that we knew Nintendo has negotiated him before, so things were easier (and it wouldn’t bee too strange to thought that Steve was considered for FP1 but decided for Banjo instead and save Steve for a “bonus” or something later).

This is how Waluigi wins

 

[Garteam]

As someone who really wants Bandana Waddle Dee, I would much rather have him added in Ultimate as a bonus fighter with no additional content than having to wait until next game for him to come with proper content from modern Kirby.

Getting modern content has always been seen as a bonus by his fanbase, I don't know a single fan of the character who would turn down his inclusion if it meant that he could get the contents of a full Fighter's Pack if were to be included some time down the road.

 

[MrMcNuts]

Rayman literally put Ubisoft on the map, the first two games are the reason they're such a huge force in gaming, Assassin's Creed wouldn't exist without Rayman.

Assassin's Creed has become a larger series, yes, but that does not remove Rayman's significance to Ubisoft and gaming as a whole.

Always seemed like the majority of people that bring up asscreed for smash never are outright pushing for it and mainly just do it to downplay Ray which is honestly a shame for anyone genuinely wanting it in Smash. (But not surprising for thread at all)

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Brave of you to be spittin facts in a thread where the majority hates Ray

Nobody here seems to actually hate him though? There's a difference between liking a character and thinking they're likely, just as there's a difference between hating a character and thinking they're unlikely

 

[MrMcNuts]

Nobody here seems to actually hate him though? There's a difference between liking a character and thinking they're likely, just as there's a difference between hating a character and thinking they're unlikely

Oops that was suppose to be cut out cause I felt like it was a bit harsh, but idk I've seen some strong bias in this thread against him and once had a whole book typed at me full of smug remarks for thinking be was likely

 

[GoodGrief741]

Everyone here shaking in their boots when you bring up the true best Ubisoft rep

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Oops that was suppose to be cut out cause I felt like it was a bit harsh, but idk I've seen some strong bias in this thread against him and once had a whole book typed at me full of smug remakes for thinking be was likely

I don't remember the second point as the only long wall of text I remember is Geno still being super likely and how we're idiots for disagreeing, but as for the first, again, people tend to seperate likelihood and how much they want them

 

[Faso115]

I have an ubisoft character that checks out all the insane theories and is a perfect representation of the smash speculation scene

something something definition of insanity

 

[GilTheGreat19]

and I’m telling y’all Splatoon 2 getting a rep makes PERFECT sense, especially with the lack of 2/Octo Expansion content in base, and OE being revealed at the same time as Ultimate (before it got that subtitle)

So what are you going to do if OE gets a spirit event? 0_o

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Ubisoft is quite an interesting one. Tons of potential characters.

But it also makes me look at the full context. I don't consider Rabbids out because it's just a hat, not a full costume. They don't have any moveset stuff represented that way, like with their infamous plunger. The fact they weren't a full costume is actually pretty weird. The most they needed was some kind of gun variant. If Mario + Rabbids was out, they could've put nearly anything from the games or even the cartoon in. There was no lack of random inventions.

The only Hat that actually is a full character, and not just a smaller nod, is... Slime. Since that's the full body, respectively. The rest I don't completely write out for the same reason.

Otherwise, you still got Rayman, the Prince of Persia, and Assassin Creed stuff, etc.

Regardless of what put them on the map, that doesn't mean it's what's going to be chosen. There's always more to it than that alone. Rayman shouldn't be dismissed, but I can understand seeing him looked over by Nintendo of Japan over the ones more popular in Japan. But that doesn't mean that's the only way to look at it. Resident Evil is far more popular than MegaMan and Street Fighter. But they're the mascot franchises(now for two specific IP holders instead of one, funnily enough) as well. Rayman and Rabbids are pretty much Ubisoft's current mascots, so either of them could get in. Keep in mind what I said above though before replying; I do not consider the Mii Hats a death sentence whatsoever.

 

[Louie G.]

Oops that was suppose to be cut out cause I felt like it was a bit harsh, but idk I've seen some strong bias in this thread against him and once had a whole book typed at me full of smug remakes for thinking be was likely

Pettily blasting Smashboards on your Twitter platform for being faced with contradicting opinions doesn't make a great case for yourself, either. And if not that, going to vent in the Rayman thread after a conversation doesn't pan out the way you wanted. It has always seemed to me like you're just extremely sensitive toward less optimistic perspectives toward the character and project that as "everybody hates him" rather than just... people believing the stars just didn't align for Rayman.

I can see the case for him personally, especially after Kazuya proved costumes aren't the obstacle we thought they were, but I find it very frustrating when people are demonized for holding their own reservations. I like Rayman quite a lot - Rayman Origins is one of my favorite platformers, period - I just never saw him as likely. But when I told you that, you thought I was disqualifying Rayman's status as an icon and got insulted when I compared him to other characters with more regional skewed popularity. It honestly makes me upset seeing a fanbase for a character I very much like and respect succumb so often to toxicity and immaturity.

Maybe I'm digging myself in a hole writing this out because quite frankly I don't plan on continuing the conversation, lmao. But I think sometimes people in this community need to learn that it's not always everyone else's fault for disagreeing with them.

 

[MrMcNuts]

Pettily blasting Smashboards on your Twitter platform for being faced with contradicting opinions doesn't make a great case for yourself, either. And if not that, going to vent in the Rayman thread after a conversation doesn't pan out the way you wanted. It has always seemed to me like you're just extremely sensitive toward less optimistic perspectives toward the character and project that as "everybody hates him" rather than just... people believing the stars just didn't align for Rayman.

I can see the case for him personally, especially after Kazuya proved costumes aren't the obstacle we thought they were, but I find it very frustrating when people are demonized for holding their own reservations. I like Rayman quite a lot, I just never saw him as likely. But when I told you that, you thought I was disqualifying Rayman's status as an icon and got insulted when I compared him to other characters with more regional skewed popularity.

Maybe I'm digging myself in a hole writing this out because quite frankly I don't plan on continuing the conversation, lmao. But I think sometimes people in this community need to learn that it's not always everyone else's fault for disagreeing with them.

I wasn't talking bout you nor do I remember who you are tbh

 

[GilTheGreat19]

Also to add to the company talk
There are A LOT of big un-repped companies
Even including ones less likely to get content

EA
Rockstar
Blizzard
2K
Valve
BioWare
NaughtyDog
Insomiac
Epic Games
Sony
etc.

 

[BlondeLombax]

I‘m gonna get hate for this, but I’d love to see the two playable Rabbids from Go Home as Ubisoft reps in a future game. I have a huge soft spot for the little wienerheads, and I think the Rabbids’ slapstick shenanigans would translate into one of the funniest movesets on the roster.

 

[Louie G.]

I wasn't talking bout you nor do I remember who you are tbh

You’re missing the point if you think I said this just because I got personally offended. It’s about the greater picture and how negative and petty behavior, especially from supporters with a prominent platform, reflects badly on the characters that you want people to respect. More people should try to be aware of that I feel.

 

[Deleted member]

Rabbid Peach would be my preferred pick from Ubisoft but it’d probably be Ezio.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Pettily blasting Smashboards on your Twitter platform for being faced with contradicting opinions doesn't make a great case for yourself, either. And if not that, going to vent in the Rayman thread after a conversation doesn't pan out the way you wanted. It has always seemed to me like you're just extremely sensitive toward less optimistic perspectives toward the character and project that as "everybody hates him" rather than just... people believing the stars just didn't align for Rayman.

I can see the case for him personally, especially after Kazuya proved costumes aren't the obstacle we thought they were, but I find it very frustrating when people are demonized for holding their own reservations. I like Rayman quite a lot - Rayman Origins is one of my favorite platformers, period - I just never saw him as likely. But when I told you that, you thought I was disqualifying Rayman's status as an icon and got insulted when I compared him to other characters with more regional skewed popularity. It honestly makes me upset seeing a fanbase for a character I very much like and respect succumb so often to toxicity and immaturity.

Maybe I'm digging myself in a hole writing this out because quite frankly I don't plan on continuing the conversation, lmao. But I think sometimes people in this community need to learn that it's not always everyone else's fault for disagreeing with them.

...Just report it. Also, last I checked, offsite content has no bearing on this site anyway.

It was obvious it was just trying to start a fight. Replying doesn't help.

People are bringing up legit points on why Rayman isn't that likely. Nobody is hating on him anyway.

 

[GilTheGreat19]

I could only imagine the mountain of salt that would unpour itself if the Rabbids were to be unveiled as CP11.
Earth will shake.

 

[BlondeLombax]

I could only imagine the mountain of salt that would unpour itself if the Rabbids were to be unveiled as CP11.
Earth will shake.

Well, I’ve already got a character I’d love to see that would spark up an inferno of salt. One more would be fine by me.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I could only imagine the mountain of salt that would unpour itself if the Rabbids were to be unveiled as CP11.
Earth will shake.

And a giant amount of love. They're iconic lovable characters too. And have a worldwide popularity factor that unfortunately Rayman... does not. I do wish he did better in Japan, though. While the games didn't do anything for me, he's such a cool character that didn't do well worldwide. D:

 

[Dr. Jojo Phantasma]

I already like the second pass more than the first, so the last character will not change my mind. Bring on Jonesy, Rabbids or whoever.

 

[GilTheGreat19]

They DO have moveset potential:
Look no further than:

Yep, it could ACTUALLY work. Wow.

 

[BlondeLombax]

And a giant amount of love. They're iconic lovable characters too. And have a worldwide popularity factor that unfortunately Rayman... does not. I do wish he did better in Japan, though. While the games didn't do anything for me, he's such a cool character that didn't do well worldwide. D:

Speaking of which, y'know how some people compare the Rabbids with the Minions from Despicable Me?

While I can see the similarities, the biggest difference is that while the Minions overstayed their welcome, I think the Rabbids actually managed to become funnier and more charming as time went on, from mindless, destructive idiots to just wanting to go home, ultimately resulting in them traveling around the universe with [EXPLETIVE] Super Mario. I'm not ashamed to admit I'm part of the crowd that loved them from the start.

 

[UserKev]

Everyone here shaking in their boots when you bring up the true best Ubisoft rep

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(Prince) Prince of Persia is a super underrated pick. Sick stage potential and he'd bring the time gimmick to the roster. Want to make a support thread for this guy.

 

[Truth the Ceomasterz33]

Hello i'm back!

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Speaking of which, y'know how some people compare the Rabbids with the Minions from Despicable Me?

While I can see the similarities, the biggest difference is that while the Minions overstayed their welcome, I think the Rabbids actually managed to become funnier and more charming as time went on, from mindless, destructive idiots to just wanting to go home, ultimately resulting in them traveling around the universe with [EXPLETIVE] Super Mario. I'm not ashamed to admit I'm part of the crowd that loved them from the start.

I don't have an issue with the Minions either, and I do like their special movies too. But it doesn't help they keep changing the backstory and they don't much stand out from each other. The Rabbids have very unique ones, have had personality changes, etc. They were simply handled better, becoming heroes at some point. The TV show also made it even better~

This is what makes it unfortunate. Rayman hasn't been used to nearly the same degree, heavily going into other medias either. Like, he's got so much he can do unrelated to the Rabbids. It does make sense why they're both mascots. One put them on the map, one has a massive worldwide appeal and broke into other media strongly. In a sense, you could say it compares to MegaMan and Street Fighter, the two mascot series of Capcom. Sure, owned by different subsets, but they both are major in their own way, and transcended games to be huge in media. MegaMan simply got more media unique appearances than SF. Albeit, SF did not dwindle at any point like Rayman did. Or at least not to the same degree. SF is also now owned by the American Branch, but it's not like either lacks worldwide appeal.

I honestly wonder why Rayman did poorly in Japan? I remember Sonic not being that hot over there either. Still majorly good, but not as strong as how well it does in the US.

 

[BlondeLombax]

While we're on the topic of the Rabbids, love them or hate them, there's no denying that they have some fantastic taste in music.

 

[ForsakenM]

Hey guys, so I'm going up north to visit some family and friends for my birthday. Unfortunately it will only be about a week, so there will be a level of hustle and bustle and I'll be rather swept up in it all, so I probably won't be able to comment on anything that happens around Kazuya's presentation. In advance, since I've been pretty alright with calling Mii Costumes in terms of returning ones, I think I'll have a little fun here and see if I'm right later. I'm expecting to see...

• Lloyd's costume, I think this is completely obvious and written in stone. Big surprise if it's not there.
• Jin as a Brawler, maybe Xiaoyu or both. There are other big Tekken characters, but this seems right to me.
• KOS-MOS as a Gunner. Just seems like a really good opportunity. Screams to me to be happening, but could be wrong of course.
• Maybe Mitsurugi or Nightmare as a Swordfighter. Doesn't scream to me as much as KOS-MOS, but would be pretty neat.

I think we can also expect some sort of decked-out Mii costume that will blow us all away and one that will probably make a fan base sad, but this is par for the course.
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As for what I would like to add as a topic, I genuinely would like to start a conversation about what people would expect to see for future content. Let me make this clear though: I'm not talking about debating whether it exists or not. We've already been over that enough to know that the majority thinks it's all over after CP11 outside of some QoL patches and a Spirit Event and Tournament Event or two. I'm not here for some boring repeat where twenty-some people all simply post 'There is nothing else' and move on to repeating the same conversations we've been having for months. I'm sure we've had this discussion before somewhere, but I don't think I've seen it without the soul-crushing realism cutting it short, and honestly this seems like a good time to talk about it as we are very close to the doors perhaps closing forever on Ultimate.

No, I want to hear much more interesting takes. Thus, my topic is that instead of debating about the likely hood, let's have a conversation in a vacuum of sorts...

Let's pretend we already know there is more content for Smash Ultimate, and we know it's a big deal, but that we don't know what we are getting or how we are going to get it.

Thus, in this sort of bubble that allows creativity and speculation, I seriously would love to see what you guys would expect. Do you think it's a third pass? Do you think it's more akin to Smash 4? Are we getting a new game this early, despite all the odds? What characters would you expect to see? Do you think your current most-wanted has a chance in this scenario? Do you think we could get new modes? Maybe returning ones? Could Smash Run make it's return at long last?

I genuinely want to know your thoughts on this.

And as such, I will start off by giving you mine.

Spoiler: My Speculation Scenario

I think that while getting another game this early isn't impossible, it really seems like a far-fetched idea. Like, INCREDIBLY far-fetched, basically not happening, but I'm not a Sith so no absolutes. However, I know that Ultimate was HEAVILY rushed and that a lot of cuts were made and ideas thrown out, so the idea of a massive undertaking to make the game feel more complete and fleshed out and package it up with the Switch Pro sounds pretty appealing. Maybe it would just be loose-leaf updates and DLC like Smash 4, or maybe it would be one big thing all done at once that happens late into 2022, I'm not sure. Remember, this is more about what we would get than how it work work out. However, I think that something like a big patch/update many months after the game is seemingly dead that adds a bunch of new content as one final hurrah would be a really good way to go about it.

I think that if Ultimate were to get more content, I think Sakurai would want to take the time to add a bit more to WoL. Not sure what, but I would expect it to have maybe another section or arc of gameplay. I would also expect Smash Run, Break the Targets, and a Boss Rush to return, and maybe a new mode or two. I think the game would be updated to take advantage of whatever the Switch Pro brings to the table, so I think the game would look better and have better load times. Don't forget that Ultimate only loads in half of K. Rool at a time so the game doesn't massively lag, so updates like this would likely be a thing.

I also think we would get updates to older characters, some that are more minor changes, and maybe a few on the level of Link. I think that we would get characters that really don't fit within a Season Pass, characters that feel like they should have been in base, characters like Dixie Kong, Skull Kid and Krystal just to name a few, and of course the Wah would finally get in, and as you can see I think there would be a heaping amount of first party contributions. As far as third party would go, while I always root for my boi-o Geno, I think they could go nuts and reveal Crash. Out of all the characters that feel like they could fit in a base-game-esq roster, Crash just kinda fits into Smash imo. I also think Ryu Hayabusa, Lloyd/Yuri and Dante would all have a good chance to show up in something like this. Of course, we would get some new stages and music and spirits and the like as well.

In this scenario, I think that it would be packaged something a la how SF4 and SFV have done, in which those who own Ultimate already could pay a smaller amount of money for this massive update, and those who never bought the game or any of the DLC thus far could pay $60-$80 and buy Smash Ultimate: Charged Edition or whatever and they would get everything in one bundle. Par for the course, I think that those who already own the game would get some of the minor features like balances changes and character updates free, but Nintendo tends to be generous, so we could even get some or all of the first party content free as well and just have to pay for the third party content.

Anyway, I'm eager to see what you guys think could happen in such a scenario, and I hope you all have fun thinking up what could happen in a situation were Ultimate isn't quite done yet at the end of this year. Happy speculating!

 

[Will]

While we're on the topic of the Rabbids, love them or hate them

I actually liked the first two games on Wii. I thought it was fun. Back when Rayman was actually important in them.

 

[GilTheGreat19]

While we're on the topic of the Rabbids, love them or hate them, there's no denying that they have some fantastic taste in music.

bad piggies vibes

 

[Truth the Ceomasterz33]

Also seeing that Southeast Asia with Members?

 

[SKX31]

Tekken 7 Pretty Movelist

mspkvp.github.io

This is the movelist of Kazuya moves in Tekken 7, do you think they will implement all of them in smash? Its +80 different inputs. In the little teaser they showed this E3 I counted at least 30 different moves.

Being very intrigued how did they translate tekken mechanics into smash.

I'm pretty confident with saying "No".

Your typical Smash moveset has 17 attacks (excl. grabs / throws, get up attacks etc.): even if you are very generous and count all of Hero's various spells separately you wind up with ca. 45. (18 command menu spells + 9 different versions of the B moves). Kazuya has ca. 70-80 moves in Tekken 7 (depending on which you count) - and that's on the low end since a lot of Tekken 7 characters have more - as such implementing all those could be really taxing. It's also worth noting that Smash's attacks come out much faster than Tekken: Tekken's quickest attacks come out frame 6-8ish IIRC (Kazuya's quickest jab is Frame 10), while Smash has a lot of attacks that come out by Frame 6-8 and its quickest is generally in the Frame 1-4 range. Edit: I believe that Kazuya's attacks will generally come out faster in Smash, even if he's perhaps on the slower side re: his frame data / attack speed compared to the Smash cast overall.

Also: in a game very much aimed at accessibility, 70-80 moves can be daunting for not just novices picking up Kazuya, but also opponents. People have already complained about Hero's command menu and opponents being unable to read the selection in time*/**, but I'm betting that complaints re: "I don't know what Kazuya's about to do!" would ramp up if he had access to that many. And that's why I mentioned the attack speed - there's generally less time to react to attacks in Smash than in Tekken (IIRC), even if shields are instant in Smash as well.

While Kazuya will no doubt be rather daunting for novices to pick up (or get to an intermediate level) I feel it's safe to say that he'll be at least playable at a basic level. Sakurai and co. will likely counteract the difficulty to some extent by giving strong moves to easily reached places (again, Hero has a lot of strong attacks mapped to the B Button / Smash attacks, so does Terry).

*(A lot of it is the language barrier where a Japanese person who doesn't know English can't read the menu if the language is set to English. Or other languages for that matter - this is a legitimate issue and could be solved by including icons. But still.)
**(As a personal note: I don't think it's a massive issue since a lot of Command Menu spells function similarily - for example straightforward projectile - but there have been cases where one's caught off guard by a Magic Burst.)

Well, I’ve already got a character I’d love to see that would spark up an inferno of salt. One more would be fine by me.

Is this the time of the year when I mention quite a few games I know off that are both obscure in Japan and the Wes Gets shot

Hello i'm back!

Welcome back! I think there are a few members from SEA, yeah, but I'm not sure how active they are.

 

[Truth the Ceomasterz33]

few members from SEA

Says few members?
Where SEA members?!

 

[Shroob]

If it were up to me, personally, I'd have the 2nd Pass end with either Dante or Demifiend, if only because they'd be symbolically fitting.


Dante, because Smash 4 ended with Bayonetta, and for all intents and purposes, Capcom is 100% back in the running after the Pythra patch.

Demifiend, because the Fighter's Pass started with Joker, and ending it with mainline SMT would be neat. That, and we've got a fallen angel and a dude who can turn into a demon, why not a full-on demon?


But those are just for aesthetic reasons, nothing based on hard evidence.

 

[3BitSaurus]

I like Rayman quite a lot - Rayman Origins is one of my favorite platformers, period - I just never saw him as likely.

Which is kind of shame too, because man, I don't quite remember the last time I just picked up a game and thought "wow, this moveset was made for Smash".

Seriously, I think almost all normals would be there in Ray's Origins/Legends pool. In fact, I think the SSF2 team used it as a base, and Rayman is one of my favorite fighters there. Really wish he did better in Japan so he'd have a better shot at Ultimate.

 

[skylanders fan]

Hello i'm back!

 

[Truth the Ceomasterz33]

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How is funny but yep.
But i'm from SEA!

 

[MattX20]

Hey guys, so I'm going up north to visit some family and friends for my birthday. Unfortunately it will only be about a week, so there will be a level of hustle and bustle and I'll be rather swept up in it all, so I probably won't be able to comment on anything that happens around Kazuya's presentation. In advance, since I've been pretty alright with calling Mii Costumes in terms of returning ones, I think I'll have a little fun here and see if I'm right later. I'm expecting to see...

• Lloyd's costume, I think this is completely obvious and written in stone. Big surprise if it's not there.
• Jin as a Brawler, maybe Xiaoyu or both. There are other big Tekken characters, but this seems right to me.
• KOS-MOS as a Gunner. Just seems like a really good opportunity. Screams to me to be happening, but could be wrong of course.
• Maybe Mitsurugi or Nightmare as a Swordfighter. Doesn't scream to me as much as KOS-MOS, but would be pretty neat.

I think we can also expect some sort of decked-out Mii costume that will blow us all away and one that will probably make a fan base sad, but this is par for the course.
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As for what I would like to add as a topic, I genuinely would like to start a conversation about what people would expect to see for future content. Let me make this clear though: I'm not talking about debating whether it exists or not. We've already been over that enough to know that the majority thinks it's all over after CP11 outside of some QoL patches and a Spirit Event and Tournament Event or two. I'm not here for some boring repeat where twenty-some people all simply post 'There is nothing else' and move on to repeating the same conversations we've been having for months. I'm sure we've had this discussion before somewhere, but I don't think I've seen it without the soul-crushing realism cutting it short, and honestly this seems like a good time to talk about it as we are very close to the doors perhaps closing forever on Ultimate.

No, I want to hear much more interesting takes. Thus, my topic is that instead of debating about the likely hood, let's have a conversation in a vacuum of sorts...

Let's pretend we already know there is more content for Smash Ultimate, and we know it's a big deal, but that we don't know what we are getting or how we are going to get it.

Thus, in this sort of bubble that allows creativity and speculation, I seriously would love to see what you guys would expect. Do you think it's a third pass? Do you think it's more akin to Smash 4? Are we getting a new game this early, despite all the odds? What characters would you expect to see? Do you think your current most-wanted has a chance in this scenario? Do you think we could get new modes? Maybe returning ones? Could Smash Run make it's return at long last?

I genuinely want to know your thoughts on this.

And as such, I will start off by giving you mine.

Spoiler: My Speculation Scenario

I think that while getting another game this early isn't impossible, it really seems like a far-fetched idea. Like, INCREDIBLY far-fetched, basically not happening, but I'm not a Sith so no absolutes. However, I know that Ultimate was HEAVILY rushed and that a lot of cuts were made and ideas thrown out, so the idea of a massive undertaking to make the game feel more complete and fleshed out and package it up with the Switch Pro sounds pretty appealing. Maybe it would just be loose-leaf updates and DLC like Smash 4, or maybe it would be one big thing all done at once that happens late into 2022, I'm not sure. Remember, this is more about what we would get than how it work work out. However, I think that something like a big patch/update many months after the game is seemingly dead that adds a bunch of new content as one final hurrah would be a really good way to go about it.

I think that if Ultimate were to get more content, I think Sakurai would want to take the time to add a bit more to WoL. Not sure what, but I would expect it to have maybe another section or arc of gameplay. I would also expect Smash Run, Break the Targets, and a Boss Rush to return, and maybe a new mode or two. I think the game would be updated to take advantage of whatever the Switch Pro brings to the table, so I think the game would look better and have better load times. Don't forget that Ultimate only loads in half of K. Rool at a time so the game doesn't massively lag, so updates like this would likely be a thing.

I also think we would get updates to older characters, some that are more minor changes, and maybe a few on the level of Link. I think that we would get characters that really don't fit within a Season Pass, characters that feel like they should have been in base, characters like Dixie Kong, Skull Kid and Krystal just to name a few, and of course the Wah would finally get in, and as you can see I think there would be a heaping amount of first party contributions. As far as third party would go, while I always root for my boi-o Geno, I think they could go nuts and reveal Crash. Out of all the characters that feel like they could fit in a base-game-esq roster, Crash just kinda fits into Smash imo. I also think Ryu Hayabusa, Lloyd/Yuri and Dante would all have a good chance to show up in something like this. Of course, we would get some new stages and music and spirits and the like as well.

In this scenario, I think that it would be packaged something a la how SF4 and SFV have done, in which those who own Ultimate already could pay a smaller amount of money for this massive update, and those who never bought the game or any of the DLC thus far could pay $60-$80 and buy Smash Ultimate: Charged Edition or whatever and they would get everything in one bundle. Par for the course, I think that those who already own the game would get some of the minor features like balances changes and character updates free, but Nintendo tends to be generous, so we could even get some or all of the first party content free as well and just have to pay for the third party content.

Anyway, I'm eager to see what you guys think could happen in such a scenario, and I hope you all have fun thinking up what could happen in a situation were Ultimate isn't quite done yet at the end of this year. Happy speculating!

It would be nice, but I'm treating FP11 as the last fighter until proven wrong

 

[GilTheGreat19]

I'm sure PapaGenos will inform us in his upcoming video, but has anyone here found any """""""leaks""""""" that contained or """"""called"""""" Kazuya?