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Especially considering that the Rayman series itself is an outright flop in Japan while Assassin's Creed is not.On the other hand, I feel like "we wouldn't have X if Y never existed" isn't a strong point in Rayman's favor at all, considering we've gotten several Ys before their respective Xs.
Dragon Quest codified the JRPG genre, but we still got Cloud before Hero. Pac-Man gave rise to video games having actual marketable characters instead of generic cars and ships, but we got three other third party characters before getting to him. Persona wouldn't exist without Shin Megami Tensei laying a lot of the groundwork, and yet Joker is here while SMT is totally absent.
Yeah, Rayman put Ubisoft on the map, but in today's context I really don't think that matters, like it didn't with the above.
Firebrand for GnG, not the Capcom rep we need, but the one we deserveSo I saw some talk about how the Heihachi Mii Costume to Kazuya situation could parallel with the Sans costume and, potentially, Frisk.
I think this theory also fits the following:
The Vault Boy outfit and a Bethesda character (Candidates imo include a Fallout protagonist, Doomguy, and Dovahkiin)
The Altair and Rabbids outfits and an Ubisoft character (Candidates imo include Rayman, Ezio, and Prince of Persia)
This parallel could work with spirits too
The RE Spirits and a Capcom character (Candidates imo include Phoenix, Dante, and a RE protagonist)
Anyone else?
I'm not sure if we're using different versions of "edgy" (when I think "edgy", I think of characters like Reaper from Overwatch, or the version of the Prince from Prince of Persia: Warrior Within), but Dante's pretty much a human Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle depending on the game. He can get serious, but he's also a character who does stuff like this:IDK man, it would definitely be cool, but i don't see two edgy characters being added in a row. But who knows?
River City Spirits and either Sol or Ragna as playableSo I saw some talk about how the Heihachi Mii Costume to Kazuya situation could parallel with the Sans costume and, potentially, Frisk.
I think this theory also fits the following:
The Vault Boy outfit and a Bethesda character (Candidates imo include a Fallout protagonist, Doomguy, and Dovahkiin)
The Altair and Rabbids outfits and an Ubisoft character (Candidates imo include Rayman, Ezio, and Prince of Persia)
This parallel could work with spirits too
The RE Spirits and a Capcom character (Candidates imo include Phoenix, Dante, and a RE protagonist)
Anyone else?
You do be right about River CityRiver City Spirits and either Sol or Ragna as playable
and if you want to count first party content, the Squid Sisters Miis and a new Splatoon character (Octolings or Off The Hook)
It's an RPG?Inazuma Eleven. The really funny part would be when twitter realises that it's also a jrpg.
I love how all of them are mad at him.Our all-knowing lord and saviour.
Call it a Demon's Quest character and add in his Ultimate Marvel Vs. Capcom 3 theme and I am so game.Firebrand for GnG, not the Capcom rep we need, but the one we deserve
The only edgy Dante is Donte.I'm not sure if we're using different versions of "edgy" (when I think "edgy", I think of characters like Reaper from Overwatch, or the version of the Prince from Prince of Persia: Warrior Within), but Dante's pretty much a human Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle depending on the game.
Ya knowFirebrand for GnG, not the Capcom rep we need, but the one we deserve
I kinda do feel it could be Frisk. Undertale is something worth keeping an eye on and seems like something that could be done.Frisk or Papyrus. Admittedly, most of my points are circumstantial, but they're still something.
- Undertale is a big deal.
- With the context of the Heihachi Mii costume not deconfirming Kazuya, we now know the Sans costume is no issue (and there's a nonzero chance it was deliberately released early to mess with people--seems in-character for Sakurai and Toby Fox).
- Ignore this point if my speculation on the timing is wrong, but Toby Fox's meeting with Sakurai may have been at the exact right time to discuss an Undertale fighter being added.
- Negotiating with a single rights-holder would be simpler and quicker than a whole company--maybe this expedience is why FP2 has six fighters instead of five? Maybe Frisk/Papyrus (or any other potential fighters who come from small indie teams) was added as a bonus late in planning due to the speed and ease of adding them?
- More Undertale content, which is conspicuously missing currently (specifically an Undertale Spirit Board event).
- Regarding Frisk and Papyrus specifically: the former is the player character and the latter is a fan-favorite and effectively the co-mascot alongside Sans. Both have some neat potential for fighters (Frisk with their equipped "weapons" and ACTs and Papyrus with his bone magic that could be interpreted creatively).
Don't you know? Anime Sworduser = Edgy.The only edgy Dante is Donte.
Yeah. You don't expect it, but there's levels, random encounters, equipement, special attacks, quests to recruit morep layers, and even stands.It's an RPG?
I knew it was a game series but thats...not the genre I was expecting.
Dante isn't edgy at all. Using a sword or having white hair doesn't mean the character is edgy.IDK man, it would definitely be cool, but i don't see two edgy characters being added in a row. But who knows?
Then...why not have all that in the base game in the first place?
I hope the MK ninjas are brought in as Mii costumes in Kazuya's presentation.
Ever since the Bomberman costume came with several palettes, I got hopeful for another costume in the same vein as that. Besides, we're not getting any Mortal Kombat character anytime soon, so I'll take what I can get.
Because the newer games are fans of the older games.
He did mention in his columns he wanted an ARMS, XC2 and (during Smash 4) Tekken rep, we got all three this pass7NATOR's "second chance theory" stays strong.
A Small theory on the Last 2 Fighters (Second Chance theory analyasis) - Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
For Super Smash Bros. Ultimate on the Nintendo Switch, a GameFAQs message board topic titled "A Small theory on the Last 2 Fighters (Second Chance theory analyasis)".gamefaqs.gamespot.com
Following that logic, which other characters we could expect as FP11 having been already represented in the game in some kind of form?
I can't predict, just support ^^So just want to ask everyone. Final prediction on the final character and why?
It's hard to predict who it is at this point but curious to hear your reason for it as well as to hopefully spark some more debate and speculation from this.
Arc System Works? I assume by new company, you mean one that doesn't have a playable character in Smash, rather than one that isn't involved in Smash at all.Time to go all in on "New Company Theory ™"
Ubisoft: Rayman, Ezio (Assassin's Creed)
Tecmo Koei: Ryu Hayabusa (Ninja Gaiden)
Nihon Falcom: Adol Christin (Ys)
Activision: Crash Bandicoot
Bethesda would have fit here before the Microsoft acquisition (RIP), so honorable mentions to Doom Slayer (Doom) and Dovahkiin (Skyrim).
They could still possibly fit the theory since negotiations for the fighter would have been finalized before they were bought...
Who am I missing?
Arc System Works: Sol Badguy, Ragna the BloodedgeTime to go all in on "New Company Theory ™"
Ubisoft: Rayman, Ezio (Assassin's Creed)
Tecmo Koei: Ryu Hayabusa (Ninja Gaiden)
Nihon Falcom: Adol Christin (Ys)
Activision: Crash Bandicoot
Bethesda would have fit here before the Microsoft acquisition (RIP), so honorable mentions to Doom Slayer (Doom) and Dovahkiin (Skyrim).
They could still possibly fit the theory since negotiations for the fighter would have been finalized before they were bought...
Who am I missing?
Time to go all in on "New Company Theory ™"
Ubisoft: Rayman, Ezio (Assassin's Creed)
Tecmo Koei: Ryu Hayabusa (Ninja Gaiden)
Nihon Falcom: Adol Christin (Ys)
Activision: Crash Bandicoot
Bethesda would have fit here before the Microsoft acquisition (RIP), so honorable mentions to Doom Slayer (Doom) and Dovahkiin (Skyrim).
They could still possibly fit the theory since negotiations for the fighter would have been finalized before they were bought...
Who am I missing?
Actually I think he was reinstated I think in 2020 and in the "The character you want to be cheered on by or be supported by (male)" he was in 2nd place beat by Mikleo in 1st with lloyd behind yuri in 3rdoh and also I guess a non-Lloyd Tales rep, assuming the Lloyd costume doesn’t return this wave. Yuri Lowell is after all the most popular protag to the point he’s banned from popularity polls
I mean, they also got Story of Seasons and Rune Factory.Marvelous: uhhhhhhh only not-Mii/Spirit peeps I can think of are from Senran Kagura and I don’t think CERO will be too happy about that
I've not been active since the Direct so I don't know how many people noticed that Tekken fits with the theory, but yeah he's spoken about trying to put Heihachi in Smash before.7NATOR's "second chance theory" stays strong.
A Small theory on the Last 2 Fighters (Second Chance theory analyasis) - Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
For Super Smash Bros. Ultimate on the Nintendo Switch, a GameFAQs message board topic titled "A Small theory on the Last 2 Fighters (Second Chance theory analyasis)".gamefaqs.gamespot.com
Following that logic, which other characters we could expect as FP11 having been already represented in the game in some kind of form?
Shantae.So just want to ask everyone. Final prediction on the final character and why?
It's hard to predict who it is at this point but curious to hear your reason for it as well as to hopefully spark some more debate and speculation from this.
Disney: Sora (technically speaking)Time to go all in on "New Company Theory ™"
Ubisoft: Rayman, Ezio (Assassin's Creed)
Tecmo Koei: Ryu Hayabusa (Ninja Gaiden)
Nihon Falcom: Adol Christin (Ys)
Activision: Crash Bandicoot
Bethesda would have fit here before the Microsoft acquisition (RIP), so honorable mentions to Doom Slayer (Doom) and Dovahkiin (Skyrim).
They could still possibly fit the theory since negotiations for the fighter would have been finalized before they were bought...
Who am I missing?
These two kinda are a gut feeling for me but I'll explain a bitInteresting. Why do you think a Sonic or a RE rep still could happen? Why the second chance theory could fit into those two franchises?
I'm not sure if we're using different versions of "edgy" (when I think "edgy", I think of characters like Reaper from Overwatch, or the version of the Prince from Prince of Persia: Warrior Within), but Dante's pretty much a human Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle depending on the game. He can get serious, but he's also a character who does stuff like this:
Porky Minch. The mother series being absent on the switch and Porky still missing a spirit despite many chances to do so. Also, absence of Giygas and Pig King Statue which can be used for his spirit board.So just want to ask everyone. Final prediction on the final character and why?
It's hard to predict who it is at this point but curious to hear your reason for it as well as to hopefully spark some more debate and speculation from this.
Nah, Sakurai doesn’t have figures for every character, he was just saying he’ll use them for reference if they exist. There’s a lot of characters with no merch (excluding Amiibos) likeI agree, but those are probably the worst examples for Miis disconfirming characters when they all have other more prominent reasons. Heihachi’s VA, Springman’s AT, and Rex being too hot for the Switch to handle .
Honestly the SMT V protagonist is probably not happening if we believe Sakurai has figures for every character already, unless he somehow got a custom one from Atlas close to a year before the game actually launched. I think they’d be much better than Corrin or Byleth though
Dante would get a bigger reaction from Smash fans. But Tekken is objectively a bigger series than Devil May Cry; so if Dante was in, that could be why Kazuya was at E3 & Dante wasn’t.As someone who wants Dante badly in this game, he's not happening, period. If he was, it's most likely he would've been our E3 reveal, last fighter is gonna be a Sonic or RE rep going by the second chance theory which has been proven correct time and time again.
Is there an actual theory regarding this or just hopes? I’m sort of doubting a new company at this point with the exceptions of Ubisoft & Bethesda since they have content in Smash already.Time to go all in on "New Company Theory ™"
Ubisoft: Rayman, Ezio (Assassin's Creed)
Tecmo Koei: Ryu Hayabusa (Ninja Gaiden)
Nihon Falcom: Adol Christin (Ys)
Activision: Crash Bandicoot
Bethesda would have fit here before the Microsoft acquisition (RIP), so honorable mentions to Doom Slayer (Doom) and Dovahkiin (Skyrim).
They could still possibly fit the theory since negotiations for the fighter would have been finalized before they were bought...
Who am I missing?
My b, I misworded it. Meant to say the last two DLC fighters not every character.Nah, Sakurai doesn’t have figures for every character, he was just saying he’ll use them for reference if they exist. There’s a lot of characters with no merch (excluding Amiibos) like
Dante would get a bigger reaction from Smash fans. But Tekken is objectively a bigger series than Devil May Cry; so if Dante was in, that could be why Kazuya was at E3 & Dante wasn’t.
Is there an actual theory regarding this or just hopes? I’m sort of doubting a new company at this point with the exceptions of Ubisoft & Bethesda since they have content in Smash already.
Toby Fox. That's a cool company.Time to go all in on "New Company Theory ™"
Ubisoft: Rayman, Ezio (Assassin's Creed)
Tecmo Koei: Ryu Hayabusa (Ninja Gaiden)
Nihon Falcom: Adol Christin (Ys)
Activision: Crash Bandicoot
Bethesda would have fit here before the Microsoft acquisition (RIP), so honorable mentions to Doom Slayer (Doom) and Dovahkiin (Skyrim).
They could still possibly fit the theory since negotiations for the fighter would have been finalized before they were bought...
Who am I missing?
Maybe Eggman, because Sonic had two costume with Joker, but Sonic might still have more content.So I saw some talk about how the Heihachi Mii Costume to Kazuya situation could parallel with the Sans costume and, potentially, Frisk.
I think this theory also fits the following:
The Vault Boy outfit and a Bethesda character (Candidates imo include a Fallout protagonist, Doomguy, and Dovahkiin)
The Altair and Rabbids outfits and an Ubisoft character (Candidates imo include Rayman, Ezio, and Prince of Persia)
This parallel could work with spirits too
The RE Spirits and a Capcom character (Candidates imo include Phoenix, Dante, and a RE protagonist)
Anyone else?
Level 5 with Yokai Watch or Professor Layton.Time to go all in on "New Company Theory ™"
Ubisoft: Rayman, Ezio (Assassin's Creed)
Tecmo Koei: Ryu Hayabusa (Ninja Gaiden)
Nihon Falcom: Adol Christin (Ys)
Activision: Crash Bandicoot
Bethesda would have fit here before the Microsoft acquisition (RIP), so honorable mentions to Doom Slayer (Doom) and Dovahkiin (Skyrim).
They could still possibly fit the theory since negotiations for the fighter would have been finalized before they were bought...
Who am I missing?
We should probably add Estelle and Rean to the Falcom list. Trails has arguably become bigger than Ys now, getting more attention from Falcom and the fandom alike. Adol has seniority and legacy, but he's certainly not the only option from his company.Time to go all in on "New Company Theory ™"
Ubisoft: Rayman, Ezio (Assassin's Creed)
Tecmo Koei: Ryu Hayabusa (Ninja Gaiden)
Nihon Falcom: Adol Christin (Ys)
Activision: Crash Bandicoot
Bethesda would have fit here before the Microsoft acquisition (RIP), so honorable mentions to Doom Slayer (Doom) and Dovahkiin (Skyrim).
They could still possibly fit the theory since negotiations for the fighter would have been finalized before they were bought...
Who am I missing?
Likewise we should add Overwatch to Activision (Blizzard)We should probably add Estelle and Rean to the Falcom list. Trails has arguably become bigger than Ys now, getting more attention from Falcom and the fandom alike. Adol has seniority and legacy, but he's certainly not the only option from his company.