Official DLC Speculation Discussion Volume II

[SMAASH! Puppy]

You mentioned Timesplitters; shall I tell you-know-who?

He has already been summoned. No @ needed.

 

[Shroob]

He has already been summoned. No @ needed.

He never needs to be summoned.


Because he always knows it's TIME TO SPLIT.

 

[cothero]

A Tekken character makes a lot of sense as the second Bamco character. Tekken is one of the three most important fighting game franchises of all time.

And i still think Leon is possible.

 

[3BitSaurus]

You know, I just realized two things.

First, looking at the stage, I hope there's other cameos besides Heihachi. I know the Mishimas seem more associated with that level, but more fanservice for Tekken fans would be great.

Secondly, I think Kazuya's devil form might be related to his specials primarily. Which means... Kirby is about to get the Devil Gene.

God help us all.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

You know, I just realized two things.

First, looking at the stage, I hope there's other cameos besides Heihachi. I know the Mishimas seem more associated with that level, but more fanservice for Tekken fans would be great.

Secondly, I think Kazuya's devil form might be related to his specials primarily. Which means... Kirby is about to get the Devil Gene.

God help us all.

And yet you weren’t worried when Kirby gets the Jenova cells when he copies Sephiroth?

 

[Technomage]

And yet you weren’t worried when Kirby gets the Jenova cells when he copies Sephiroth?

Good thing he can't have that and the Devil gene simultaneously.

 

[TraaP]

So is anyone else interested in how Nintendo of America said “there will be no reveal for Challenger Pack 11” as opposed to “no further new fighter announcement” like in previous presentation’s announcements? I believe this could be 1 of 3 cases.

• 1 (most likely): Nintendo are reiterating that this is indeed the final character.
• 2: Kazuya gets Jin as an echo fighter, we only saw Heihachi as a cameo & Jin also has a demon form I believe. & this can count as the “bonus fighter”.
• 3 (very unlikely): They announce more DLC fighters. I find this one hard to believe because what would be the point in announcing this in the presentation instead of the E3 direct?

 

[3BitSaurus]

And yet you weren’t worried when Kirby gets the Jenova cells when he copies Sephiroth?

Thank the heavens that Kirby can only assimilate a single being at a time.

Otherwise, for every universe that joined Smash, Kirby would canonically become the most powerful entity in that universe until the point where he becomes a destroyer of the multiverse.

...Actually, isn't that kind of what Void Termina is in Star Allies?

 

[Rie Sonomura]

So is anyone else interested in how Nintendo of America said “there will be no reveal for Challenger Pack 11” as opposed to “no further new fighter announcement” like in previous presentation’s announcements? I believe this could be 1 of 3 cases.

• 1 (most likely): Nintendo are reiterating that this is indeed the final character.
• 2: Kazuya gets Jin as an echo fighter, we only saw Heihachi as a cameo & Jin also has a demon form I believe. & this can count as the “bonus fighter”.
• 3 (very unlikely): They announce more DLC fighters. I find this one hard to believe because what would be the point in announcing this in the presentation instead of the E3 direct?

Or:

4. They keep the existence of the bonus (just one) a secret, announce the Final Video Presentation for Ultimate, and in said final presentation, reveal both CP11 and the bonus. Said bonus is not connected to CP10 or 11.

 

[Guynamednelson]

Jin also has a demon form I believe

Yes, he does. Devil Jin's moveset is even T3 Jin (who's mostly Kazuya)+Tag Tournament Devil Kazuya combined into one, so it'd fit.

 

[Eldrake]

• 3 (very unlikely): They announce more DLC fighters. I find this one hard to believe because what would be the point in announcing this in the presentation instead of the E3 direct?

Who knows, maybe Sakurai would want the honor this time around to announce this if more are coming?

 

[Shroob]

So is anyone else interested in how Nintendo of America said “there will be no reveal for Challenger Pack 11” as opposed to “no further new fighter announcement” like in previous presentation’s announcements? I believe this could be 1 of 3 cases.

• 1 (most likely): Nintendo are reiterating that this is indeed the final character.
• 2: Kazuya gets Jin as an echo fighter, we only saw Heihachi as a cameo & Jin also has a demon form I believe. & this can count as the “bonus fighter”.
• 3 (very unlikely): They announce more DLC fighters. I find this one hard to believe because what would be the point in announcing this in the presentation instead of the E3 direct?

I think 3 can be written off entirely.


If we're getting a 3rd pass at all, they'd announce it in a Direct where they have everyone's attention, not a Sakurai Presents that only Smash fans will tune into.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I mean, people have gone in trying to expect more than what the Presentation has before. It's just a "keep your expectations in check" warning, imo.

 

[Technomage]

So is anyone else interested in how Nintendo of America said “there will be no reveal for Challenger Pack 11” as opposed to “no further new fighter announcement” like in previous presentation’s announcements? I believe this could be 1 of 3 cases.

• 1 (most likely): Nintendo are reiterating that this is indeed the final character.
• 2: Kazuya gets Jin as an echo fighter, we only saw Heihachi as a cameo & Jin also has a demon form I believe. & this can count as the “bonus fighter”.
• 3 (very unlikely): They announce more DLC fighters. I find this one hard to believe because what would be the point in announcing this in the presentation instead of the E3 direct?

There's something I'm confused about: When you said "Nintendo are reiterating that this is indeed the final character.", are you implying there'd be no CP11?

 

[Shroob]

We also do this song and dance every time lately it feels like.


Every time Nintendo doesn't copy/paste the same exact wording in regards to a Sakurai Presents, people start going "IS IT A HINT?!"(It's not).

 

[SNEKeater]

Kazuya, Terry, Ryu, Ken#SmashBrosUltimate pic.twitter.com/0mspoDm6ZS

— Quassy @ Playing Valkyria Chronicles (@quassihollic) June 16, 2021

Cool fan-art I found.

 

[7NATOR]

If Jin was in as a Bonus Echo, he probably would have been shown off in the Trailer, So I doubt he be in

Plus I don't think they would go with Jin/Devil Jin anyway. They are currently 2 different movesets. They could go with Tekken 3 Jin, but I think from a Canon standpoint, it would go against Jin's character For now anyway, which would be kind of a no no

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

You know, I just realized two things.

First, looking at the stage, I hope there's other cameos besides Heihachi. I know the Mishimas seem more associated with that level, but more fanservice for Tekken fans would be great.

Secondly, I think Kazuya's devil form might be related to his specials primarily. Which means... Kirby is about to get the Devil Gene.

God help us all.

Actually there are a few animations he does in both forms (like that uppercut that looks like an Up Smash), so it is a definite state.

EDIT: He might get a different special set with the state activated though.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Not that I think an Echo has a chance, but it wouldn't be CP11 if it was suddenly revealed in the Presentation. It'd basically be a full part of CP10, just like Pyra/Mythra is.

Again, I don't think it's happening. I would think they'd have announced the character right away in the trailer. Sure, they didn't say Echoes are barred from Pass 2(they specified only during Pass 1), but it's pretty obvious that's what they meant. Sakurai's "no more are coming" message is pretty clear too. Transformation characters are a very different situation from Echoes(who actually are only just sharing a near identical moveset and bodyshape... and probably for all time, franchise).

 

[Shroob]

People really should just be going in expecting Kazuya, and only Kazuya.


Nothing more, nothing less.


Oh, and Lloyd's unfortunate fate.

 

[Noipoi]

People really should just be going in expecting Kazuya, and only Kazuya.


Nothing more, nothing less.


Oh, and Lloyd's unfortunate fate.

Just Kazuya
Just Kazuya
Just Kazuya

 

[GoodGrief741]

Hmm… might be on to something here

Spoiler: Pic contains swearing, viewer discretion advised

A disappointment you say? Guess this means FP11 is... me.

 

[N3ON]

So is anyone else interested in how Nintendo of America said “there will be no reveal for Challenger Pack 11” as opposed to “no further new fighter announcement” like in previous presentation’s announcements? I believe this could be 1 of 3 cases.

• 1 (most likely): Nintendo are reiterating that this is indeed the final character.
• 2: Kazuya gets Jin as an echo fighter, we only saw Heihachi as a cameo & Jin also has a demon form I believe. & this can count as the “bonus fighter”.
• 3 (very unlikely): They announce more DLC fighters. I find this one hard to believe because what would be the point in announcing this in the presentation instead of the E3 direct?

It's funny because the point of the clarification was to mitigate people theorizing we'd get additional stuff.

 

[Ivander]

I just realized that I don't want another ballot because it'd be filled with AMOGUS votes.

Considering Nintendo has already dealt with Goku, Spongebob and Shrek votes, Among Us is small fry.

The Ballot is going to obviously bring some new stuff alongside some diversely popular stuff, like Among Us and Fortnite. But at the same time, with some of the big ballot entries out of the way, like Ridley, King K. Rool, Banjo & Kazooie, Dark Samus and Castlevania, the people who voted for those characters will either:

• Vote on some other fan favourites that haven't gotten in, like Geno, Isaac, Waluigi, Shadow, Sans, etc, or characters who've gotten a big jump in popularity, interest and chance like Dante, Master Chief, Monster Hunter, etc.
• Focus on some of the popular newcomers or new series that have popped up recently, like Astral Chain, 2B from Nier Automata, Hades, etc.
• Focus on characters from series that were recently brought back that they are now interested in or like, like Trials of Mana, Advance Wars, Crash Bandicoot, Doom, etc.

A new Ballot wouldn't entirely be a bad thing cause it would be an entirely different beast from the last one, since there were lots of different popular character choices and games 5-6 years ago. Not to mention it's probably some characters' best bet before they possibly fade into obscurity.
Will there be alot of meme votes for new stuff and whatnot? Possibly. But considering how many popular picks that we actually got from the Ballot, like Ridley, K. Rool, Banjo & Kazooie, Dark Samus, Chrom, etc, some of those meme voters may either focus on a serious pick or keep their meme vote. Like anybody who did a meme vote because they felt, "Well, I don't see Master Chief happening and he's the only one I really want, so might as well meme." may now be thinking, "Master Chief actually has a chance now. Let's do this!"

Like yes, there are still going to be meme voters, but I do think that so much more people will take the next Ballot very seriously since it actually gave us characters we wanted. And if the Ballot were to happen after Ultimate's DLC, there will also be alot less "Voting for this character to appear in this game" and more "Voting for this character to appear in the next game."

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

A disappointment you say? Guess this means FP11 is... me.

But with a sword!

 

[MattX20]

When looking at the first fighter pass and the second one, the colors for the characters backgrounds match up fairly closely. It makes you wonder if the last fighter will also have a purple background or something akin to it.

 

[Noipoi]

When looking at the first fighter pass and the second one, the colors for the characters backgrounds match up fairly closely. It makes you wonder if the last fighter will also have a purple background or something akin to it. View attachment 319635

…Waluigi time…

 

[MattX20]

…Waluigi time…

If Waluigi wasn't already an AT, I'd be more willing to entertain that idea. That, and the empty spot left in the music test menu after Tekken takes one of the remaining 2 spots implies a new IP that hasn't had a playable character repping it yet. I'm trying to think of characters that could fit the description and Shantae's the first one that comes to my mind.

 

[Shroob]

If Waluigi wasn't already an AT, I'd be more willing to entertain that idea. That, and the empty spot left in the music test menu after Tekken takes one of the remaining 2 spots implies a new IP that hasn't had a playable character repping it yet. I'm trying to think of characters that could fit the description and Shantae's the first one that comes to my mind.

Toxtricity.


ME.

 

[Eldrake]

When looking at the first fighter pass and the second one, the colors for the characters backgrounds match up fairly closely. It makes you wonder if the last fighter will also have a purple background or something akin to it. View attachment 319635

Hey now, don't give us Raymanbros unnecessary levels of hope.

 

[Laniv]

When looking at the first fighter pass and the second one, the colors for the characters backgrounds match up fairly closely. It makes you wonder if the last fighter will also have a purple background or something akin to it. View attachment 319635

Would Rayman count as purple? Or perhaps King Boo?

...Spyro the Dragon?

 

[MarioRaccoon]

Lets review again the 20 best selling japanese IPs, excluding the one that were not originated in videogames (like Dragon Ball):

1) Final Fantasy
2) Sonic the Hedgehog
3) Resident Evil*
4) Dragon Quest
5) Monster Hunter*
6) Metal Gear
7) Tekken
8) Street Fighter
9) Pac-Man
10) Mega Man
11) Kingdom Hearts
12) Souls
13) Power Pros
14) Devil May Cry
15) Castlevania
16) Frogger
17) Simple
18) Tales
19) Megami Tensei (includes Persona)
20) Professor Layton

In bold are the IPs with representation in smash, and with * there are those who don’t have a playable character. As you can see, Tekken is the best selling (japanese) fighting IP worldwide. So I think it makes somewhat sense to include it in smash.

When looking at the first fighter pass and the second one, the colors for the characters backgrounds match up fairly closely. It makes you wonder if the last fighter will also have a purple background or something akin to it. View attachment 319635

Spyro
Rayman
Shantae
Nights
Ayane
Morrigan

 

[Shroob]

With Ubisoft back on the table, Rayman does seem interesting candidate.

 

[Noipoi]

With Ubisoft back on the table, Rayman does seem interesting candidate.

Stop that I don’t want to hope

 

[Shroob]

At the end of the day, this is one big coincidence. I severely doubt that they chose characters in mind with what color their background would be to fit a pattern.


But it is fun to at least speculate on.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Considering Nintendo has already dealt with Goku, Spongebob and Shrek votes, Among Us is small fry.

The Ballot is going to obviously bring some new stuff alongside some diversely popular stuff, like Among Us and Fortnite. But at the same time, with some of the big ballot entries out of the way, like Ridley, King K. Rool, Banjo & Kazooie, Dark Samus and Castlevania, the people who voted for those characters will either:

• Vote on some other fan favourites that haven't gotten in, like Geno, Isaac, Waluigi, Shadow, Sans, etc, or characters who've gotten a big jump in popularity, interest and chance like Dante, Master Chief, Monster Hunter, etc.
• Focus on some of the popular newcomers or new series that have popped up recently, like Astral Chain, 2B from Nier Automata, Hades, etc.
• Focus on characters from series that were recently brought back that they are now interested in or like, like Trials of Mana, Advance Wars, Crash Bandicoot, Doom, etc.

A new Ballot wouldn't entirely be a bad thing cause since it would be an entirely different beast from the last one, since there were lots of different popular character choices and games 5-6 years ago. Not to mention it's probably some characters' best bet before they possibly fade into obscurity.
Will there be alot of meme votes for new stuff and whatnot? Possibly. But considering how many popular picks that we actually got from the Ballot, like Ridley, K. Rool, Banjo & Kazooie, Dark Samus, Chrom, etc, some of those meme voters may either focus on a serious pick or keep their meme vote. Like anybody who did a meme vote because they felt, "Well, I don't see Master Chief happening and he's the only one I really want, so might as well meme." may now be thinking, "Master Chief actually has a chance now. Let's do this!"

Like yes, there are still going to be meme voters, but I do think that so much more people will take the next Ballot very seriously since it actually gave us characters we wanted. And if the Ballot were to happen after Ultimate's DLC, there will also be alot less "Voting for this character to appear in this game" and more "Voting for this character to appear in the next game."

^ this

and votes don't always mean playable content, just that they'll in most cases be represented in general. Like I think Isaac returning as an AT was due to the ballot, I'm VERY convinced Fiora being added to Shulk's FS was cuz of that too, maybe Lip getting a Mii as well. maybe some miis and spirits are cause of that too. imagine if all the Goku votes lead to the Yuyuki Goku spirit.

so yeah we could at least get an Amogus mii or spirits or somethin

When looking at the first fighter pass and the second one, the colors for the characters backgrounds match up fairly closely. It makes you wonder if the last fighter will also have a purple background or something akin to it. View attachment 319635

Octoling, Off the Hook, Neku AND Ahri can fit against a purple background

POG

I win either way

 

[Shroob]

^ this

and votes don't always mean playable content, just that they'll in most cases be represented in general. Like I think Isaac returning as an AT was due to the ballot, I'm VERY convinced Fiora being added to Shulk's FS was cuz of that too, maybe Lip getting a Mii as well. maybe some miis and spirits are cause of that too. imagine if all the Goku votes lead to the Yuyuki Goku spirit.

Octoling, Off the Hook, Neku AND Ahri can fit against a purple background

POG

I win either way

Ahri?


Ahri's main colors are pink, blue, red and white, not Purple. She only has purple associated with her in skins.

 

[Brother AJ]

I still think an Astral Chain rep has a really good chance (I need to play this game too, I heard it was great).

I know we already got a spirit event, but that was likely before Nintendo fully acquired the rights to the series which we didn't find out about until earlier this year.

I think they could have a really interesting moveset. The kind of moveset that Sakurai loves to get creative with.

 

[Twilord]

After we get the last character, Sakurai announces:

"It should be obvious by the clues I've sowed who the three potential bonus characters are; so we're opening a ballot-poll of who you all think are most likely. We will be looking at the top five characters you predict the most, if any of them are predicted within those five you'll get them. IF however you as a community fail, Smash Bros will end on a whimper of your own doing."

 

[Momotsuki]

Four out of the eleven DLC fighters that have been revealed thus far have some shade of teal as their color, two of which back-to-back. If they were going for some sort of satisfying pattern they didn't do a good job.
But it can be fun to think about, yes.