Official DLC Speculation Discussion Volume II

[Guynamednelson]

If Waluigi wasn't already an AT

Yeah, an old AT recycled from 4 with hints that he made his AT debut in Brawl.

That, and the empty spot left in the music test menu after Tekken takes one of the remaining 2 spots implies a new IP that hasn't had a playable character repping it yet

They don't pick who's from an unrepped and repped series based on how to make the music test menu a perfect rectangle.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Ahri?


Ahri's main colors are pink, blue, red and white, not Purple. She only has purple associated with her in skins.

she wouldn't blend in against purple tho. it looks best when they pop and don't blend in

she would against pink, red and white tho. look at poor Luminary and his lavender

 

[Shroob]

she wouldn't blend in against purple tho

she would against pink, red and white tho. look at poor Luminary and his lavender

?

But Ahri has zero association with the color purple. The question being proposed was "Maybe CP11 has something to do with purple."

 

[DarthEnderX]

last dlc is forsure a mario character

inb4 birdo

Better choice than Plant...

Never heard of Kerrigan but now I'm curious

Most well-known Starcraft character.

Which was the biggest game in Korea for ages.

The **** is a Zerg?

Aliens from Alien/Bugs from Starship Troopers.

 

[Momotsuki]

Plant was an objectively good pick because I personally like them.

 

[Paraster]

When looking at the first fighter pass and the second one, the colors for the characters backgrounds match up fairly closely. It makes you wonder if the last fighter will also have a purple background or something akin to it. View attachment 319635

Give Frisk the magenta coloration of the Ruins.

 

[N3ON]

I still think an Astral Chain rep has a really good chance (I need to play this game too, I heard it was great).

I know we already got a spirit event, but that was likely before Nintendo fully acquired the rights to the series which we didn't find out about until earlier this year.

I think they could have a really interesting moveset. The kind of moveset that Sakurai loves to get creative with.

Astral Chain was still first-party before, it was just co-owned by Platinum. But a lot of Nintendo's IPs are co-owned, and Platinum is clearly pretty cooperative when it comes to Smash.

 

[SharkLord]

So y'know all the discussion around the "Graze" glitch and hitboxes and Kazuya's crouch dash?

Well, Tekken has a dedicated mechanic for that

Crush System

The Crush System is a gameplay feature introduced in Tekken 5. From Tekken 5 onward, some moves are able to dodge, or crush, certain kinds of attacks during their execution. For example, in Tekken 7, Josie's Butterfly Edge can crush low attacks and also evade some mid attacks. Xiaoyu's Art of...

tekken.fandom.com

More than anything it's just an interesting little tidbit to read about, but at least we know where it might have gone

 

[Brother AJ]

Astral Chain was still first-party before, it was just co-owned by Platinum. But a lot of Nintendo's IPs are co-owned, and Platinum is clearly pretty cooperative when it comes to Smash.

Hm... interesting. I did not know it was always first-party. That makes me feel a little less confident.

 

[Momotsuki]

If it's purple, it's because of a surprise twist that has Yuyuko as the final DLC fighter. Since this pass hates protagonists.

 

[SpecterFlower]

Lets review again the 20 best selling japanese IPs, excluding the one that were not originated in videogames (like Dragon Ball):

1) Final Fantasy
2) Sonic the Hedgehog
3) Resident Evil*
4) Dragon Quest
5) Monster Hunter*
6) Metal Gear
7) Tekken
8) Street Fighter
9) Pac-Man
10) Mega Man
11) Kingdom Hearts
12) Souls
13) Power Pros
14) Devil May Cry
15) Castlevania
16) Frogger
17) Simple
18) Tales
19) Megami Tensei (includes Persona)
20) Professor Layton

that list really makes Capcom's absence from DLC even stranger, with Mii costumes not disconfirming franchise's at least I think DMC, RE, MH (Maybe) and AA have pretty good chances going forward.

(btw you missed PES on that list but i doubt it, power pros, kingdom hearts, simple or professor layton have much of a chance anyway)

 

[Shroob]

Rayman's one of those characters who, while I'm really not confident at all about getting in


If he did, that'd really just re-affirm "Yeah, Pass 2 is passed over content, the pass", imo.


Especially now since Ubisoft's back on the table due to Kazuya, it wouldn't be impossible, though I have my doubts.

 

[PLATINUM7]

It's Reggie because he feels just like a purple Pikmin.

 

[UberPyro64]

When looking at the first fighter pass and the second one, the colors for the characters backgrounds match up fairly closely. It makes you wonder if the last fighter will also have a purple background or something akin to it. View attachment 319635

I don't think this necessarily means the next character has to have a purple background.

That being said, I've been thinking, and Phantasy Star makes a lot of sense to get into Smash. With how popular it is in Japan, and how influential and innovative the series has been (especially PSO), it would make sense for Nintendo to pick the series for Smash.

And Alis, the protagonist of the first game, does have purple in her uniform...

Source of this fanart: https://www.artstation.com/artwork/EVznOv

Phantasy Star Online 2: New Genesis also just released, and is on Nintendo Switch. She would make a lot of sense to be a part of Vol. 2.

 

[Momotsuki]

Too many of these characters feel "DLC" for me to be thinking it's all just old base-game ideas. All the crazy **** a lot of them have. The only one that doesn't feel "DLC" is the one whose inclusion sucks. Even Banjo & Kazooie have their wonderwing.
Oh, and Piranha Plant, but they're more like an honorary base-game fighter anyhow.

 

[Gengar84]

I really liked Astral Chain and I’d be more than happy if a character from it got in. I’m in the extreme minority in that I’d actually prefer Jena Anderson to Akira Howard but they would both be cool. I think they’re a pretty safe bet if we get a Smash 6, especially if it just builds upon Ultimate. As far as DLC, I’m not expecting it but you can never really know for sure.

 

[Shroob]

Too many of these characters feel "DLC" for me to be thinking it's all just old base-game ideas. All the crazy **** a lot of them have.

Passed over doesn't necessarily mean base game tbh.


Tekken, for example, was famously passed over in Smash 4 because Sakurai said he couldn't figure out how to implement it.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

There's almost certainly no bonus fighter as things stand, but if there is one (there's not), it's Master Hand.
But seriously, Mr. Sakurai has very clearly spelled it out for us that this is it; he very rarely is as clear about anything as he has been regarding this.

Or a promoted assist like Waluigi, Issac, or Shadow.

 

[Ivander]

I don't think this necessarily means the next character has to have a purple background.

That being said, I've been thinking, and Phantasy Star makes a lot of sense to get into Smash. With how popular it is in Japan, and how influential and innovative the series has been (especially PSO), it would make sense for Nintendo to pick the series for Smash.

And Alis, the protagonist of the first game, does have purple in her uniform...



Phantasy Star Online 2: New Genesis also just released, and is on Nintendo Switch. She would make a lot of sense to be a part of Vol. 2.

Yeah, I still think Phantasy Star has a good chance, because of it's connection with Sakurai. Will it happen? Have to wait and see.

That said, there is another character besides Alis with a big focus of purple on her. Although that character is also borderline NSFW design-wise.

 

[Brother AJ]

Rayman's one of those characters who, while I'm really not confident at all about getting in


If he did, that'd really just re-affirm "Yeah, Pass 2 is passed over content, the pass", imo.


Especially now since Ubisoft's back on the table due to Kazuya, it wouldn't be impossible, though I have my doubts.

I think it'll be pretty significant when we get a playable character from a Western IP that isn't an honorary Nintendo character or from the highest selling video game of all time...

 

[Gengar84]

I’ve got a character that fits both the green background color theory and is purple:

If the character just has to be purple in general, just take a look at my username and avatar.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Just Kazuya
Just Kazuya
Just Kazuya

DORYA DORYA Fighting Club

 

[Shroob]

I think it'll be pretty significant when we get a playable character from a Western IP that isn't an honorary Nintendo character or from the highest selling video game of all time...

We already have Steve though.

 

[PLATINUM7]

We already have Steve though.

Since when was Steve not from one of the best selling video games of all time?

 

[Shroob]

Since when was Steve not from one of the best selling video games of all time?

I'm confused. Steve is from one of the highest selling video games of all time. I'm not sure what you're saying.

 

[PLATINUM7]

I'm confused. Steve is from one of the highest selling video games of all time. I'm not sure what you're saying.

Brother AJ pointed out the Western IP we have either has strong Nintendo connections (Banjo-Kazooie) or has Minecraft level sales (Minecraft).

 

[Michael the Spikester]

There's the fact to Nintendo and Microsoft as of recent has a very close relationship. Most likely why we even got two actual western characters into the game to begin with.

 

[Mushroomguy12]

Disappointed, but not surprised.

Scalpers are so terrible...

Ebay is FULL of Metroid Dread listings, for the Special Edition, Amiibo and both together for absolutely insane prices.

This picture is only just a small fraction of the robbery that is going on. pic.twitter.com/XNVm10Imwn

— Stealth (@Stealth40k) June 16, 2021

 

[MattX20]

Lets review again the 20 best selling japanese IPs, excluding the one that were not originated in videogames (like Dragon Ball):

1) Final Fantasy
2) Sonic the Hedgehog
3) Resident Evil*
4) Dragon Quest
5) Monster Hunter*
6) Metal Gear
7) Tekken
8) Street Fighter
9) Pac-Man
10) Mega Man
11) Kingdom Hearts
12) Souls
13) Power Pros
14) Devil May Cry
15) Castlevania
16) Frogger
17) Simple
18) Tales
19) Megami Tensei (includes Persona)
20) Professor Layton

In bold are the IPs with representation in smash, and with * there are those who don’t have a playable character. As you can see, Tekken is the best selling (japanese) fighting IP worldwide. So I think it makes somewhat sense to include it in smash.




Spyro
Rayman
Shantae
Nights
Ayane
Morrigan

Hmm... Morrigan and Nights could warrant looking into as far as characters besides Shantae that could work/be displayed with a purple background are concerned. As cool as Spyro would be, he would be sadly overshadowed by Crash in terms of demand. Also, you referring to the Dead or Alive Ayane or someone else?

 

[Brother AJ]

We already have Steve though.

I probably should've been more clear. I think it'll be pretty significant when we get a Western character that isn't like Banjo and Kazooie (honorary Nintendo character) or Steve (from the highest selling video game of all time).

 

[Mushroomguy12]

Everyone is dead.

The bottom of the pit...#botw2 #nintendodirect #smashbros pic.twitter.com/LFpYy1pfoQ

— bayboop⭐️COMMISSIONS OPEN⭐️FREE PALESTINE 🇵🇸🍉 (@papabaybeanz) June 16, 2021

 

[Megadoomer]

Brother AJ pointed out the Western IP we have either has strong Nintendo connections (Banjo-Kazooie) or has Minecraft level sales (Minecraft).

I think there's some confusion with the wording. Brother AJ said " I think it'll be pretty significant when we get a playable character from a Western IP that isn't an honorary Nintendo character or from the highest selling video game of all time... " It seems like he meant "it'll be significant when we get a Western playable character that isn't Banjo or Steve" (since one's an honourary Nintendo character and the other's from the best-selling video game of all time), but Shroob seemed to interpret that last part as "it'll be significant when we get a Western playable character that [...] [is] from the highest selling video game of all time"

 

[Brother AJ]

Everyone is dead.

The bottom of the pit...#botw2 #nintendodirect #smashbros pic.twitter.com/LFpYy1pfoQ

— bayboop⭐️COMMISSIONS OPEN⭐️FREE PALESTINE 🇵🇸🍉 (@papabaybeanz) June 16, 2021

Meanwhile Sephiroth is just like:

"I dare you..."

 

[Gengar84]

I thought the current theory was a green background. What is this about purple now?

 

[Louie G.]

Lets review again the 20 best selling japanese IPs, excluding the one that were not originated in videogames (like Dragon Ball)

I don’t mean to be that guy, but I’m pretty well informed on Sega’s sales figures and as far as I’m aware Puyo Puyo’s 25 million+ in sales (and apparently this number doesn’t even account for the sales numbers back when Sega didn’t own the series in the 90s) should put it on this list above at least Megami Tensei. Or maybe about equal at this point?

I don’t think that’s documented on the Wikipedia page of best selling game franchises but it is on an official Sega document (Page 32) and recorded on Puyo’s own page. With that in mind there are probably a few key franchises absent here.

Sorry for the tangent, just here to spread the good word.

 

[MattX20]

I thought the current theory was a green background. What is this about purple now?

It's based on the background colors for the DLC fighters for Pass 2 matching up almost exactly with the first pass ones plus Piranha Plant. Purple is the only color that doesn't have a counterpart yet

 

[Brother AJ]

I totally forgot about this!

Did Masahiro Sakurai and Katsuhiro Harada hint at Kazuya in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate months prior to his reveal?

"Sakurai doesn't ever give hints through pics" confirmed bs?

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I probably should've been more clear. I think it'll be pretty significant when we get a Western character that isn't like Banjo and Kazooie (honorary Nintendo character) or Steve (from the highest selling video game of all time).

I thought that's what you meant. I know little of Tekken or Bandai-Namco. Is it a Western or Japanese developer?

 

[Ivander]

Disappointed, but not surprised.

Scalpers are so terrible...

Ebay is FULL of Metroid Dread listings, for the Special Edition, Amiibo and both together for absolutely insane prices.

This picture is only just a small fraction of the robbery that is going on. pic.twitter.com/XNVm10Imwn

— Stealth (@Stealth40k) June 16, 2021

Has there even been a moment where the scalpers' efforts went south fast? Like digital Special Editions after selling the physical Special Editions?

Yeah, companies wouldn't care in the first place if the Special Editions are taken by scalpers in the first place, but man, sometimes you just want to see the scums' efforts backfire.

 

[Megadoomer]

I thought the current theory was a green background. What is this about purple now?

The background colours seem to be (roughly) mirrored between FP1 (and Piranha Plant) and FP2

Piranha Plant and Pyra/Mythra: green
Joker and Kazuya: red
Hero and ???: purple
Banjo and Min Min: yellow
Terry and Steve: blue
Byleth and Sephiroth: a different shade of green

Though it's almost definitely a coincidence, and the final character could wind up having an orange, brown, blue, etc. background. We have a tendency to see patterns everywhere.