Official DLC Speculation Discussion Volume II

[Shroob]

Second we saw someone was carrying Ganondorf I knew it was a Tekken reference but thought it was Heihachi until Kazuya's eye sparked red.

If it HAD been Heihachi.... this site would be melting right now.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Best of the starters by far and gets so little love. I just wish her signiture move was a bit better...

Poor Popplio was picked on from day one and I never really understood why. It was a cute design.

Brionne is the best of the line though.

 

[PLATINUM7]

If it HAD been Heihachi.... this site would be melting right now.

I'd just be giggling to myself knowing we actually got a character who was playable in PSASBR.

 

[zferolie]

This irks me a lot because Patricia Wagon is right there when it comes to WayForward characters and would fit in much better with the Advance Wars cast.

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Heck you can even have her soldiers be the Hooligan Sisters. It writes itself.

While I don't think Wayforward would put one of their characters in, if they did Wagon there is the perfect fit by far

Coming back to Metroid Dread, I really love the portrayal of Samus. I think Mercury Steam already did a great job portraying her in Samus Returns but so far, she looks fantastic in Dread. I mean, look how badass she is here, after defeating a boss.

And other cinematic sequences, including gameplay, makes her really feel as a badass killing machine that doesn't hesitate to pull the trigger.

Yeah Samus does look fantastic in this game. Just shows how much personality she has whithout even saying a word

 

[Shroob]

I'd just be giggling to myself knowing we actually got a character who was playable in PSASBR.

It's more along the lines of:

"HOLY **** PAID MII COSTUMES DON'T DE-CONFIRM"


This website would be going ape****.

 

[WahHahaha]

I really think it's Waluigi though, I mean the deadline is so ridiculous and we didn't get a double reveal at E3.

Waluigi would require a lot of reprogramming before he could be released if they wanted to remove all of his trophies and spirits from the game, so my guess is that they didn't reveal CP11 because it's Waluigi and he's not ready. E3 would normally be the perfect stage.

You could say that they're stretching it out intentionally, but they don't really ever do that.

 

[N3ON]

If it HAD been Heihachi.... this site would be melting right now.

People would be... shooting for the stars.

 

[Noipoi]

It's more along the lines of:

"HOLY **** PAID MII COSTUMES DON'T DE-CONFIRM"


This website would be going ape****.

This is how Minecraft Pig wins.

 

[Shroob]

This is how Minecraft Pig wins.

This is how we get Pigstep in Smash.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

If it HAD been Heihachi.... this site would be melting right now.

I would have been hyped at least since I actually recognize him as a gaming icon.

No shade to Kazuya. I just don't know him.

 

[WahHahaha]

If it HAD been Heihachi.... this site would be melting right now.

I can't believe they revealed Tekken guy and not Mr. Tekken, this is such an outrage.

It's not like Tekken is coming to Smash either way.

 

[Guynamednelson]

Waluigi would require a lot of reprogramming before he could be released if they wanted to remove all of his trophies and spirits from the game

They didn't remove spirits to make room for ARMS/XC2 challenger packs, and I can't see ensuring the AT doesn't pop up would be more complicated than Kazuya's big moveset.

Still not sure on Waluigi though. I still believe it would be someone who fits the challenger pack structure.

 

[N3ON]

Would've preferred Heihachi just because it would be funnier beating on some characters as a grumpity old dude.

 

[zferolie]

All we got are theories, and its fine to talk about them. I don't get or subscrib to color theory, but I am fully behind second chance theory.

That doesn't mean I think color thoery is bad and I am fine with others likeing it.

Poor Popplio was picked on from day one and I never really understood why. It was a cute design.

Brionne is the best of the line though.

Brionne was super cute for sure.

 

[PLATINUM7]

It's more along the lines of:

"HOLY **** PAID MII COSTUMES DON'T DE-CONFIRM"


This website would be going ape****.

We still kind of are. Capcom is back and all that.

Only issue I have with saying all this and the same goes for if it was to the extent of Heihachi being included in place of Kazuya, is that it could very well still be the only instance of Mii DLC not preventing a character's inclusion.

 

[WahHahaha]

They didn't remove spirits to make room for ARMS/XC2 challenger packs, and I can't see ensuring the AT doesn't pop up would be more complicated than Kazuya's big moveset.

Still not sure on Waluigi though. I still believe it would be someone who fits the challenger pack structure.

It would require more than just "assuring the AT doesn't pop up" though, it would probably require more reprogamming than steve.

Waluigi appears in this game it multiple different ways since he's not playable, so all of that would need to be adjusted if they made him a playable fighter. It would take months of reprogramming to get all of that out of the way. If Waluigi is CP11 I'm not too surprised he wasn't revealed.

They've never promoted an AT in the same game but I don't think precedent really means anything here though because they're doing plenty of things in this game that they've never done before.

 

[zferolie]

We still kind of are. Capcom is back and all that.

Only issue I have with saying all this and the same goes for if it was to the extent of Heihachi being included in place of Kazuya, is that it could very well still be the only instance of Mii DLC not preventing a character's inclusion.

I mean why was capcom ever out? Only monster hunter we felt were out, and some Mega man Mii costumes. We could still get Pheonix, or Dante or Ammy, though personally I feel Capcom won't get a fighter since they had so many in base game already. But thats just my feeling

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

I really think it's Waluigi though, I mean the deadline is so ridiculous and we didn't get a double reveal at E3.

Waluigi would require a lot of reprogramming before he could be released if they wanted to remove all of his trophies and spirits from the game, so my guess is that they didn't reveal CP11 because it's Waluigi and he's not ready. E3 would normally be the perfect stage.

You could say that they're stretching it out intentionally, but they don't really ever do that.

Wasn't this the given timeframe for the pass though? It's at the very least not a slower release rate than the previous pass, there was just the reveal weirdness with Min Min because of COVID-19 killing E3 and Nintendo Directs.

Also, I think the evidence on this supports them just leaving all the existing Waluigi stuff in. Fighters coexist with Mii Costumes and Spirits just fine, and it wouldn't be all that difficult to stop the Waluigi Assist Trophy from appearing when Waluigi is being played since the character detection and Assist Trophy turn off systems are already in place.

 

[Shroob]

I mean why was capcom ever out? Only monster hunter we felt were out, and some Mega man Mii costumes. We could still get Pheonix, or Dante or Ammy, though personally I feel Capcom won't get a fighter since they had so many in base game already. But thats just my feeling

Capcom's the one company I could see being the first to get 4 characters in Smash tbh.


They arguably rival Nintendo with amount of iconic IPs, to a degree, of course.

 

[Guynamednelson]

Waluigi appears in this game it multiple different ways since he's not playable, so all of that would need to be adjusted if they made him a playable fighter. It would take months of reprogramming to get all of that out of the way.

Wouldn't a few lines of code in the fighter just prevent the AT from popping up in spirit battles as well?

 

[subterrestrial]

One character remains to come, who will be the lucky one to take the last place?

King Boo.

 

[Noipoi]

Capcom is back
It’s been established that the main character of a series doesn’t necessarily have to be the one who gets in
We’ve been getting a lot of villains
A big new game in the series
Thirst theory

Spoiler

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

King Boo.

I would unironically love that.

 

[WahHahaha]

Wasn't this the given timeframe for the pass though? It's at the very least not a slower release rate than the previous pass, there was just the reveal weirdness with Min Min because of COVID-19 killing E3 and Nintendo Directs.

Also, I think the evidence on this supports them just leaving all the existing Waluigi stuff in. Fighters coexist with Mii Costumes and Spirits just fine, and it wouldn't be all that difficult to stop the Waluigi Assist Trophy from appearing when Waluigi is being played since the character detection and Assist Trophy turn off systems are already in place.

Yeah but they added "fighter spirits" just for accuracy sake when they added Min Min, so I wouldn't be surprised if Sakurai's perfectionism leads to him removing a lot of the previous Waluigi content from the game.

Also yeah, that was the given timeframe. That's what I'm saying, it would just be so ridiculous unless there weren't multiple fighters that required a lot of programming. We already know that Steve is one of them. And I honestly can't see CP11 not being revealed at E3 and being so close to the deadline if it wasn't someone that has insane programming. Steve had the longest gap and he required reprogramming every stage, this gap could be long too.

I know I'm overthinking this, but I don't see any reason why they wouldn't just get it over with at E3 if the reveal was ready.

 

[zferolie]

Capcom's the one company I could see being the first to get 4 characters in Smash tbh.


They arguably rival Nintendo with amount of iconic IPs, to a degree, of course.

Yeah they do have so many iconic IP's. I just feel that Nintendo or Sakurai would like to try and grab some companies they work with that are not as represented in smash. just feels right.

Capcom is back
It’s been established that the main character of a series doesn’t necessarily have to be the one who gets in
We’ve been getting a lot of villains
A big new game in the series
Thirst theory

Spoiler

Now, I know this would nevber happen, but damn i want it

 

[Guynamednelson]

Sakurai's perfectionism

"CHROM! ON MY MARK!"
Also do you think it took them months to move Rex's spirit battle to the XC2 stage?

 

[Royalty1702]

RIP any chance Nightmare had of getting in

 

[WahHahaha]

"CHROM! ON MY MARK!"
Also do you think it took them months to move Rex's spirit battle to the XC2 stage?

I really don't know about the specifics but I'm pretty sure a fighter that's represented in multiple ways like Waluigi is would require a lot of reprogramming. I know it doesn't always happen, but some of these decisions are for base roster. Also you're mostly giving me examples of characters that aren't represented in as many ways as Waluigi is.

It's just an educated guess that if they wanted to keep it accurate they'd remove most of the Waluigi content from the game if he was added. I never said they had to.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Yeah but they added "fighter spirits" just for accuracy sake when they added Min Min, so I wouldn't be surprised if Sakurai's perfectionism leads to him removing a lot of the previous Waluigi content from the game.

But adding a Fighter Spirit doesn't equate to removing the normal spirits. The normal Min Min Spirit is still in the game. A handful of fighters are Mii Costumes as well. There's nothing really suggesting that they would remove content for characters to avoid things like this.

 

[Idon]

RIP any chance Nightmare had of getting in

There's always next Smash, brother.

 

[N3ON]

I really think it's Waluigi though, I mean the deadline is so ridiculous and we didn't get a double reveal at E3.

Waluigi would require a lot of reprogramming before he could be released if they wanted to remove all of his trophies and spirits from the game, so my guess is that they didn't reveal CP11 because it's Waluigi and he's not ready. E3 would normally be the perfect stage.

You could say that they're stretching it out intentionally, but they don't really ever do that.

That wouldn't require very much programming to simply yank a few non-essential things out of the game. But they likely wouldn't do that anyway. If Waluigi is playable, they'd probably just disable the AT when he was one of the fighters.

Also they stretch it out all the time. They could announce the whole pass at once if they wanted. The name of the game is stretching it out. Usually it just happens in pre-release. For Ultimate, that was mostly reversed.

People look to Hero and Banjo, but look past that they had the luxury then of having two reveals for E3 and another in the Sept Direct. This time there are only two characters in play, not three, and Banjo's position was the casualty.

 

[WahHahaha]

But adding a Fighter Spirit doesn't equate to removing the normal spirits. The normal Min Min Spirit is still in the game. A handful of fighters are Mii Costumes as well. There's nothing really suggesting that they would remove content for characters to avoid things like this.

Ok, but even if they didn't remove the spirits they'd still have to adjust the spirit battles and remove the trophy, it still requires a good amount of work.

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

Capcom is back
It’s been established that the main character of a series doesn’t necessarily have to be the one who gets in
We’ve been getting a lot of villains
A big new game in the series
Thirst theory

Spoiler

No. Bad. Stop that.

No to thirst theory.

 

[Guynamednelson]

Ok, but even if they didn't remove the spirits they'd still have to adjust the spirit battles and remove the trophy, it still requires a good amount of work.

That amount of work would probably take a day at best.

 

[WahHahaha]

Coding it so the trophy doesn't appear might be even more complicated though. It would have to happen every time Waluigi is playable, and then the trophy can spawn again when he's not.

That just doesn't seem very possible to me, they'd probably remove it.



Also they stretch it out all the time. They could announce the whole pass at once if they wanted. The name of the game is stretching it out. Usually it just happens in pre-release. For Ultimate, that was mostly reversed.



People look to Hero and Banjo, but look past that they had the luxury then of having two reveals for E3 and another in the Sept Direct. This time there are only two characters in play, not three, and Banjo's position was the casualty.
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You don't have to look at those 2 though, just look at everyone. Most characters are released at least 3 months apart which might not even be the case for Waluigi. "Stretching out" is not normal and we would have gotten a double reveal if CP11 was ready, it just wouldn't make sense not to have one. They're actually lowering the hype if they don't.

 

[Noipoi]

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No. Bad. Stop that.

No to thirst theory.

I’m so happy that this is the first thing you’ve said to me in years.

 

[Inferno7]

so as of now; Sonic, Megaman, Undertale, Ubisoft and Splatoon are back on the table.

I think most of these would fit with the second chance theory (5 characters that originated from a scrapped idea in a row), with Sonic & Ubisoft seemingly being the most likely.

Curious how we got all sorts of Ubisoft mii costumes bar the man himself, Rayman. Same with Shadow in FP1 and the overall absence from a 2nd Sonic rep (which has been requested for ages) has never felt so weird before. There's an argument to be made about Arle but I feel like Nintendo doesn't really care about sales, popularity and stuff, since they passed over Dark Souls in favor of Tekken.

 

[PLATINUM7]

so as of now; Sonic, Megaman, Undertale, Ubisoft and Splatoon are back on the table.

I think most of these would fit with the second chance theory (5 characters that originated from a scrapped idea in a row), with Sonic & Ubisoft seemingly being the most likely.

Curious how we got all sorts of Ubisoft mii costumes bar the man himself, Rayman. Same with Shadow in FP1 and the overall absence from a 2nd Sonic rep (which has been requested for ages) has never felt so weird before. There's an argument to be made about Arle but I feel like Nintendo doesn't really care about sales and stuff, since they passed over Dark Souls in favor of Tekken.

Tekken has sold almost the double the amount of units as Dark Souls.

 

[WahHahaha]

so as of now; Sonic, Megaman, Undertale, Ubisoft and Splatoon are back on the table.

I think most of these would fit with the second chance theory (5 characters that originated from a scrapped idea in a row), with Sonic & Ubisoft seemingly being the most likely.

Curious how we got all sorts of Ubisoft mii costumes bar the man himself, Rayman. Same with Shadow in FP1 and the overall absence from a 2nd Sonic rep (which has been requested for ages) has never felt so weird before. There's an argument to be made about Arle but I feel like Nintendo doesn't really care about sales and stuff, since they passed over Dark Souls in favor of Tekken.

We still don't have a sega rep this pass but there is a certain pattern for the DLC. Usually it goes

Popular JRPG character -Sephiroth/Hero
First Party Promotion- Min Min/Byleth/Pyra Mythra
Fan Requested character- Banjo/ ???
Character for mass appeal- Joker/Steve. Persona 5 is way more popular in Japan, so it's more mass appeal to Japan, but I guess it fits in the "popular JRPG" category too.

2D Fighting game character- Kazuya/Terry/

Literally the only gauge that isn't filled yet is fan requested character, which could fit Waluigi perfectly. This pattern has literally held up since Smash 4 with Cloud, Ryu and Lucas and Roy for the fans. The DLC has remained the same since.

If Nintendo is predictable (which they basically have been with the types of characters they've been choosing), it will end on Waluigi.

 

[PLATINUM7]

there is a certain pattern for the DLC.

We're only waiting on the last character for Ultimate and we're still trying to make patterns.