Official DLC Speculation Discussion Volume II

[7NATOR]

Oh also by the way. A Shadow the Hedgehog Remix (I Am...All of Me specfically) was taken down by Nintendo

If you want proofs. This images are part of the emails that the channel got after the song kills pic.twitter.com/HFhhucvda4

— Sunwer🦊 Project Zorro 🏳️‍🌈 (@SunwerPrower) June 7, 2021

If you want proofs. This images are part of the emails that the channel got after the song kills pic.twitter.com/HFhhucvda4

— Sunwer🦊 Project Zorro 🏳️‍🌈 (@SunwerPrower) June 7, 2021

Evidence of the video existing

 

[Geno Boost]

I am wondering how much characters we can still fit the smash banner until it runs out of empty space it would look crazy

 

[Yoshi-Thomas]

Honestly, I'm more interested in what acquisition they're apparently hinting at. I can't tell what that arrow is pointing at...

It's pointing towards a book called Press Reset that explains the downfall of some series, notably Dead Space or Bioshock.

Oh also by the way. A Shadow the Hedgehog Remix (I Am...All of Me specfically) was taken down by Nintendo

If you want proofs. This images are part of the emails that the channel got after the song kills pic.twitter.com/HFhhucvda4

— Sunwer🦊 Project Zorro 🏳️‍🌈 (@SunwerPrower) June 7, 2021

If you want proofs. This images are part of the emails that the channel got after the song kills pic.twitter.com/HFhhucvda4

— Sunwer🦊 Project Zorro 🏳️‍🌈 (@SunwerPrower) June 7, 2021

Evidence of the video existing

Out of curiosity, what makes you think Shadow is happening? I never read your explanation on the character but I'm interested to read your theories on him. Even if I don't believe in him becoming playable I do like reading.

EDIT: My bad I didn't see your signature. I'll be right back.

 

[volbound1700]

As ever, it's hard to predict what Nintendo will do, but fighting games tend to have long life cycles. Ultimate is still much newer than say, SFV, which got updated semi-recently. They could push Ultimate content for another few years if they wanted and people would still buy it.

The challenge that I see is Smash 6. How do you follow-up Ultimate's large amount of content? The only thing Ultimate is really missing is Single-Player content which isn't always a core tenant of Smash.

 

[osby]

Oh also by the way. A Shadow the Hedgehog Remix (I Am...All of Me specfically) was taken down by Nintendo

If you want proofs. This images are part of the emails that the channel got after the song kills pic.twitter.com/HFhhucvda4

— Sunwer🦊 Project Zorro 🏳️‍🌈 (@SunwerPrower) June 7, 2021

If you want proofs. This images are part of the emails that the channel got after the song kills pic.twitter.com/HFhhucvda4

— Sunwer🦊 Project Zorro 🏳️‍🌈 (@SunwerPrower) June 7, 2021

Evidence of the video existing

Doesn't the tweet also say that this means nothing?

 

[Pillow]

The challenge that I see is Smash 6. How do you follow-up Ultimate's large amount of content? The only thing Ultimate is really missing is Single-Player content which isn't always a core tenant of Smash.

That's more of a fan mentality. When making a game, I doubt the Smash developers are thinking about how they'll top the content in the future, they simply try to make the best game they can and worry about it later. Ofc Nintendo is a bit of an odd duck as many of their series tend to follow a similar timeline of "one new game per console generation", so the inevitability of a future installment is more guaranteed with Smash than other fighting games; but I'm sure they'll find more content to add. They always do.

 

[chocolatejr9]

It's pointing towards a book called Press Reset that explains the downfall of some series, notably Dead Space or Bioshock.

So either they're buying the rights to a book, or they're buying one of the companies involved with the book (i.e. the people who made Dead Space and/or Bioshock, who I cannot remember off the top of my head).

 

[Cutie Gwen]

It's pointing towards a book called Press Reset that explains the downfall of some series, notably Dead Space or Bioshock.

Honestly if this is a Dead Space buyout I'll cry as that IP had so much potential before EA decided to make it an actionpacked multiplayer experience and ****

 

[SKX31]

It's pointing towards a book called Press Reset that explains the downfall of some series, notably Dead Space or Bioshock.

So either they're buying the rights to a book, or they're buying one of the companies involved with the book (i.e. the people who made Dead Space and/or Bioshock, who I cannot remember off the top of my head).

Yeah, it's authored by Jason:

I'm decently sure that Jason's taking the opportunity to promote the book when he saw Phil display it. It hinting towards a future acquisition by Microsoft... it's possible I guess, but I'm pressing X to doubt here unless it actually happens.

 

[7NATOR]

It's pointing towards a book called Press Reset that explains the downfall of some series, notably Dead Space or Bioshock.


Out of curiosity, what makes you think Shadow is happening? I never read your explanation on the character but I'm interested to read your theories on him. Even if I don't believe in him becoming playable I do like reading.

First of all, R.I.P Dead Space, but I did hear rumor that Dead Space could be coming back in some capacity, either just a remaster or maybe even sequel

As for Shadow, it's alot to go into. Honestly most of the Evidence I have towards Shadow can be quite stretches at times, the main thing to pay attention to is all the Arguments AGAINST Shadow

-Assist Trophy
-People thinking he'd only be an Echo Fighter
-Other Sonic characters.

In my Sig, I have an Essay on Shadow's chances, and the counter arguments against these 3 main arguments. Otherwise I'd be writing alot of info here.

Some of my theories include the fact that Shadow's actual Assist is the only thing the series that has Timestop (complete stop of time, not just slowdown) which I theorized could be a testing ground of a particular gimmick of his. There was also the theory about Papagenos's Evidence from July of 2020, that pointed towards Legacy XP's takedown meaning something

But Mostly it's just the counter arguments against the mentioned Assist, Echo fighter thing, and other Sonic characters arguments, because otherwise Shadow has ever merit to get into Smash as Playable. He's Relevant, Popular, Requested character, comes from a 3rd party that's easy on licensing, has Interesting moveset pool.

 

[Schnee117]

Y'all do realise Press Reset is one of Jason's books and he's just joking about it being on Phil's shelf.

 

[volbound1700]

First of all, R.I.P Dead Space, but I did hear rumor that Dead Space could be coming back in some capacity, either just a remaster or maybe even sequel

As for Shadow, it's alot to go into. Honestly most of the Evidence I have towards Shadow can be quite stretches at times, the main thing to pay attention to is all the Arguments AGAINST Shadow

-Assist Trophy
-People thinking he'd only be an Echo Fighter
-Other Sonic characters.

In my Sig, I have an Essay on Shadow's chances, and the counter arguments against these 3 main arguments. Otherwise I'd be writing alot of info here.

Some of my theories include the fact that Shadow's actual Assist is the only thing the series that has Timestop (complete stop of time, not just slowdown) which I theorized could be a testing ground of a particular gimmick of his. There was also the theory about Papagenos's Evidence from July of 2020, that pointed towards Legacy XP's takedown meaning something

But Mostly it's just the counter arguments against the mentioned Assist, Echo fighter thing, and other Sonic characters arguments, because otherwise Shadow has ever merit to get into Smash as Playable. He's Relevant, Popular, Requested character, comes from a 3rd party that's easy on licensing, has Interesting moveset pool.

If he joins, can he please come with better Mii Costumes for Knuckles and Tails? LOL. I hate those abominations.

 

[Yoshi-Thomas]

Y'all do realise Press Reset is one of Jason's books and he's just joking about it being on Phil's shelf.

I only quickly typed Press Reset and checked the summary that appeared on my right. I didn't bother checking the author's name.
Maybe Jason is Phil's future acquisition though.
I literally had no idea this book nor this person existed up until five minutes ago.

 

[Pillow]

But Mostly it's just the counter arguments against the mentioned Assist, Echo fighter thing, and other Sonic characters arguments, because otherwise Shadow has ever merit to get into Smash as Playable. He's Relevant, Popular, Requested character, comes from a 3rd party that's easy on licensing, has Interesting moveset pool.

I'm not trying to argue for or against Shadow here, but if you only consider a character's merits while ignoring everything else, then any character can seem likely. Goku is a relevant, popular, requested character, that comes from a 3rd party that's easy on licensing, and has an interesting move pool.

 

[7NATOR]

Doesn't the tweet also say that this means nothing?

He stated that because he listed the Geno Remix that got taken down, when Geno was just Mii, and also is under the belief that Shadow won't have a presence in the FP2 DLC. The fact that he listed a Banjo Remix takedown, when we did get Banjo in Smash is something to consider

While Beware the Forest Mushrooms isn't a song in the game, it is a song used when Geno's Mii Costume is shown off, and there is licensing to be done with that. I guess by that logic, this could just mean Shadow is a Mii Costume, which if that's true hopefully it doesn't look like Tails or Knuckles

Unlike Doomguy trailer, I assume there wasn't a separate Nintendo owned song injected into the video (like how the Doomguy video had Lifelight apparently)

 

[GilTheGreat19]

Imagine the salt some might display by saying "You upgraded Shadow but not Waluigi -_-"

 

[cashregister9]

Oh also by the way. A Shadow the Hedgehog Remix (I Am...All of Me specfically) was taken down by Nintendo

If you want proofs. This images are part of the emails that the channel got after the song kills pic.twitter.com/HFhhucvda4

— Sunwer🦊 Project Zorro 🏳️‍🌈 (@SunwerPrower) June 7, 2021

If you want proofs. This images are part of the emails that the channel got after the song kills pic.twitter.com/HFhhucvda4

— Sunwer🦊 Project Zorro 🏳️‍🌈 (@SunwerPrower) June 7, 2021

Evidence of the video existing

Youtube's Copyright system is notoriously Broken as hell, this means very little.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

A Shadow Premium Costume with All Hail Shadow(the remix) or I Am(All Of Me) isn't bad, imo. Either Brawler or Gunner works well for him.

I'd love Gunner, though what gun works best is hard to say. As much as I love the Gatling Gun, it's too big and would look strange on the model. Shadow Rifle might work well?

Imagine the salt some might display by saying "You upgraded Shadow but not Waluigi -_-"

I'd also expect the "he got in cause he's playable in the main series" too.

 

[7NATOR]

I'm not trying to argue for or against Shadow here, but if you only consider a character's merits while ignoring everything else, then any character can seem likely. Goku is a relevant, popular, requested character, that comes from a 3rd party that's easy on licensing, and has an interesting move pool.

I'm not trying to ignore everyone else

Hell I actually don't blame people if they think Eggman or Tails would get in over Shadow, since they are also Relevant, Popular, Iconic, have moveset potential, etc

My whole point is that Regularly Shadow would be taken as a serious option since he has merits that are comparable to characters like Crash, Doomguy, Rayman, Sephiroth (who's in), Dante, whoever. It's the fact that Shadow gets ignored because of the Assist thing, Echo Fighter thing, and there being other Sonic characters that people feel have "No reason to not get in over Shadow", and I counter argument all of that

Also for Goku, He would absolutely not be easy on the licensing. there are like 7 parties you got to work with to put Goku in Smash, and is likely a main reason why Goku isn't getting into Smash anytime soon, along with other Non Video game origin characters

 

[Yoshi-Thomas]

Youtube's Copyright system is notoriously Broken as hell, this means very little.

Youtube's Copyright is even more broken that Bayonetta in Smash For.
Wonder who would win in a fight between these two.

 

[SNEKeater]

The Lady Dimirescu comments were more of a joke than serious post.

I agree on the RE Character. Jill Valentine or Leon Kennedy makes the most sense. However, if I was to walk around to the general public, they would know Milla Jovovich's character before they could name any of the video game characters. That was my point.

My bad then, I didn't get the joke.

I'd say Jill Valentine, Leon Kennedy and Chris Redfield are fairly recognizable for a lot of gamers. Sure, maybe the movies are more well known, but there are quite a lot of people that have only seen the movies and not played the games. At that point, I doubt Nintendo would be trying to appeal to that audience in particular. I would imagine that with Resident Evil in Smash, Nintendo would be trying to attract fans from the RE games or horror games in general.

Honestly if this is a Dead Space buyout I'll cry as that IP had so much potential before EA decided to make it an actionpacked multiplayer experience and ****

Dead Space 1 and 2 are so, so good. Even if we're not getting a new game, which doesn't seem likely considering the OG studio doesn't exist anymore, I'm surprised EA hasn't released a collection of the trilogy or something.

 

[RGFS]

Yo, 7NATOR, don't take what I'm saying personally. I love hearing your theories and what you have to say. Though, I do also want to personally say that as a casual Sonic fan myself, I don't like the idea of the Sonic series getting anything too substantial until the series gets its act together again. The only wholly new substantial content I would feel makes sense or would be okay with right now would be "Classic Sonic and Tails" as a duo fighter or Shadow as a Ken-style echo fighter. A whole new fighter in any regard just feels unwarranted for a series whose last main title was the shady, brain-dead abomination that was Sonic Forces.

If Rangers is a really good game, I'll probably be more receptive to seeing a new Sonic series fighter though. As it stands, I'd rather see PuyoPuyo get a fighter and my only experience with the series is that one Sonic Mania boss.

 

[Gengar84]

Goku is a relevant, popular, requested character, that comes from a 3rd party that's easy on licensing, and has an interesting move pool.

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[GilTheGreat19]

I'd say Jill Valentine, Leon Kennedy and Chris Redfield are fairly recognizable for a lot of gamers. Sure, maybe the movies are more well known, but there are quite a lot of people that have only seen the movies and not played the games. At that point, I doubt Nintendo would be trying to appeal to that audience in particular. I would imagine that with Resident Evil in Smash, Nintendo would be trying to attract fans from the RE games or horror games in general.

Nemesis could work if they want to go the villain route.

 

[Yoshi-Thomas]

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Just like a Stormtrooper, you don't know how to aim.

 

[Gengar84]

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Just like a Stormtrooper, you don't know how to aim.

Lol that’s what I get for posting on my phone. It looks like it’s on the bottom to me.

 

[Ivander]

Dead Space 1 and 2 are so, so good. Even if we're not getting a new game, which doesn't seem likely considering the OG studio doesn't exist anymore, I'm surprised EA hasn't released a collection of the trilogy or something.

Isn't the OG team supposedly doing that new horror game that was shown at the Game Awards last year? Project Calypso, Calypso Project or something like that?

Edit: Callisto Protocol, that's it. Apparently it's being done by the creators of Dead Space.

 

[osby]

Yo, 7NATOR, don't take what I'm saying personally. I love hearing your theories and what you have to say. Though, I do also want to personally say that as a casual Sonic fan myself, I don't like the idea of the Sonic series getting anything too substantial until the series gets its act together again. The only wholly new substantial content I would feel makes sense or would be okay with right now would be "Classic Sonic and Tails" as a duo fighter or Shadow as a Ken-style echo fighter. A whole new fighter in any regard just feels unwarranted for a series whose last main title was the shady, brain-dead abomination that was Sonic Forces.

If Rangers is a really good game, I'll probably be more receptive to seeing a new Sonic series fighter though. As it stands, I'd rather see PuyoPuyo get a fighter and my only experience with the series is that one Sonic Mania boss.

Please tell me this is a copypasta and not an unironic post.

 

[Yiptap]

This may be controversial, but Amy Rose feels like a sleeper pick, ngl.

 

[Yoshi-Thomas]

Please tell me this is a copypasta and not an unironic post.

I read it with Lamar's voice and it makes it extremely good.

 

[3BitSaurus]

I think I briefly touched upon this yesterday, but about western reps: I really don't see any of them being last. Most of the picks tossed around (like Crash, Master Chief, Lara Croft, a LoL rep) are a bit too huge to be reserved for the last spot - you might argue they're close to the same caliber as Steve and Sephiroth. Which doesn't really mesh well with the finales we usually get, unless Nintendo for once decided to go with a bang.

But even then, some western choices don't have a lot of pull with the japanese audience, which would be a really strange note for Smash to end on. I think the only exception to this is Crash - and even then I'm not so sure he's as big in Japan now as he once was.

So I think this is the last shot for a third western character. If Chief or Crash aren't CP10, then they're probably not in at all.

Good thing I only have a week to see if this post ages like wine or milk.

 

[7NATOR]

Yo, 7NATOR, don't take what I'm saying personally. I love hearing your theories and what you have to say. Though, I do also want to personally say that as a casual Sonic fan myself, I don't like the idea of the Sonic series getting anything too substantial until the series gets its act together again. The only wholly new substantial content I would feel makes sense or would be okay with right now would be "Classic Sonic and Tails" as a duo fighter or Shadow as a Ken-style echo fighter. A whole new fighter in any regard just feels unwarranted for a series whose last main title was the shady, brain-dead abomination that was Sonic Forces.

If Rangers is a really good game, I'll probably be more receptive to seeing a new Sonic series fighter though. As it stands, I'd rather see PuyoPuyo get a fighter and my only experience with the series is that one Sonic Mania boss.

Understandable. Sega really needs to get it's act together when it comes to the Mainline 3d Sonic games

When it comes to other media, I think Sega does a great job, though I think part of that is that Sega usually lends to the I.P out to people who know what they are doing with Sonic. Sonic team seems to be a big issue ever since alot of the talented people who worked on Previous Sonic games like Unleashed and Generations left to go work for Nintendo

For Sonic Rangers, I heard they got new hires for the Newly dubbed Sonic studio, So while they may be a problem since they are new, perhaps it's also a good think to take risk and see if these new cats can make Sonic really work, and I hope they aren't gonna spend 3 years making a New engine

In any case, How I look at it is that while Sonic might be struggling in the 3D Game department, He's doing well in all other aspects of the medium, plus he still has a legacy of Amazing characters and Amazing games that still keeps Sonic unstoppable for Generations, but I understand your sentiment nonetheless

 

[Nekoo]

Oh boy, I guess I was right about the website ID stuff being held onto if they ever needed it for a tournament.

The current tournament ID, with the fire stuff come from a skipped ID from January 2020.
Yup.
A whole year and half.

The only ID tourney that got skipped that is left is from September 2020 that still hasn't been filled.

 

[SNEKeater]

Nemesis could work if they want to go the villain route.

I mean, I guess so. But unless they tone down his design I feel like he would might suppose a problem for CERO.

In any case, as a fan of the series I would prefer having one of the protags. I also think it's the best way to rep the series.

 

[Yoshi-Thomas]

Oh boy, I guess I was right about the website ID stuff being held onto if they ever needed it for a tournament.

The current tournament ID, with the fire stuff come from a skipped ID from January 2020.
Yup.
A whole year and half.

The only ID tourney that got skipped that is left is from September 2020 that still hasn't been filled.

Don't worry, that means that in April 2022 we will finally see the tournament meant for September 2020.

Out of curiosity, could you share the ID's numbers? I think September 2020's skipped ID was #20 but I'd like to be sure.

 

[NotGenerico]

Oh boy, I guess I was right about the website ID stuff being held onto if they ever needed it for a tournament.

The current tournament ID, with the fire stuff come from a skipped ID from January 2020.
Yup.
A whole year and half.

The only ID tourney that got skipped that is left is from September 2020 that still hasn't been filled.

Yeah, that's right. The missing tournament is 4029. It got skipped a few weeks before Steve's reveal and actually made me think that we were really close to the announcement of a new character. Steve's tournament was actually 4031 and was skipped as well, but quickly showed up three weeks after being skipped.

 

[subterrestrial]

this year is luigi’s mansion’s 20th anniversary...

that is all.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Legacy XP's takedown

People still think it means something?

Nintendo's always had a very strong anti-mod stance, so the moment Legacy XP became the go-to modpack to download, it was doomed to be taken down by the Big N eventually without any reason required since Smash is their IP and therefore they can do whatever they want, similarly to what happened with Project M and what I imagine Project+ will eventually face.

tl;dr Nintendo took it down because they could. It's literally that simple.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

this year is luigi’s mansion’s 20th anniversary...

that is all.

Well the 15th is also Ryu Hayabusa's birthday.

It's also Crash's 25th anniversary.

Also Halo's 20th anniversary.

Take it as you will. ;P

 

[GilTheGreat19]

this year is luigi’s mansion’s 20th anniversary...

that is all.

Damn bro that's crazy