Official DLC Speculation Discussion Volume II

[Cutie Gwen]

There's always a point where a genre will have a moment of oversaturation. Platformers have. Beat'em-Ups have. Fighting games have. RPGs have. Horror/Survival games have. FPS especially have. And recently Battle Royales and Souls-likes have. It's just the nature of the market.

Yeah, but for some ****ing reason, people who adore platformere seem to conviniently forget about it and act confused as to who platformers aren't seen as the absolute biggest and best genre out there anymore

 

[7NATOR]

I Feel like this discourse is also ramping up because of the Poll between Euden and Crash in that character tournament on twitter. I don't know who won, but if Euden won, it starts to make sense that more discourse happening now

 

[Nekoo]

I Feel like this discourse is also ramping up because of the Poll between Euden and Crash in that character tournament on twitter. I don't know who won, but if Euden won, it starts to make sense that more discourse happening now

How much can a fanbase be so insecure against ****ing Euden of all people.


So no, I don't think that's it chef, I just think the Smash Fanbase decided to be a cry baby like month when we're close to a character reveal

 

[Noipoi]

Yeah, but for some ****ing reason, people who adore platformere seem to conviniently forget about it and act confused as to who platformers aren't seen as the absolute biggest and best genre out there anymore

Because Aero the Acrobat and Radical Rex were the peak of gaming as a medium.

If we could just get back to the Croc days, everything would be ok.

 

[Schnee117]

Ironically the cause of this is oversaturation. People seem to forget just how many platformers there were back in the day and how oversaturated the market was, but those very people will gladly cry foul at JRPGs and FPS games being the new big hit instead

Early 2000's was like, here's a ****load of Sonic games, plenty of Mario games, the DKC games were ported plus Jungle Beat was a fun new take, Kirby got games, Castlevania had a bunch even if the PS2 games were more action oriented, we got two Metroids on GBA, Crash and Spyro were about quite a bit, Ratchet and Clank and Jak were new series even if Jak moved away eventually and then there's the smaller stuff like Ty and Tak that were abundant, and that's not getting into licensed games.

**** was as saturated as the shooter genre was in the 360/PS3 generation but it wasn't all 50 shades of grey and brown military propaganda **** so it wasn't as noticeable.

 

[Yacobo]

After months of "Scrimblo Bimblo" posting ****ting on anyone who doesn't think Pyra is the best thing over, you all freak out over one or two memes making fun of people who have been spamming it non stop.

The equivalent of the school yard bully who cries to the teacher when the other kid finally punches back.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

Because Aero the Acrobat and Radical Rex were the peak of gaming as a medium.

If we could just get back to the Croc days, everything would be ok.

Who the heck is Radical Rex?

 

[Paraster]

I'd say they're still going fairly strong... But the main focus is with indies, like Shovel Knight, Shantae, and A Hat In Time. Generally, the Smash fanbase tends to be rather hesitant around indies, so even if they're giving us a solid supply of platformers it doesn't really get counted when trying to find candidates people consider viable.

Is there any actual reason the fanbase treats indies this way? Or does everyone just assume all indies are guaranteed to be Mii costumes without any evidence of Sakurai willingly instating an arbitrary distinction like that?

 

[Noipoi]

Who the heck is Radical Rex?

The best platformer mascot in American history.

 

[Nekoo]

After months of "Scrimblo Bimblo" posting ****ting on anyone who doesn't think Pyra is the best thing over, you all freak out over one or two memes making fun of people who have been spamming it non stop.

The equivalent of the school yard bully who cries to the teacher when the other kid finally punches back.

Quote before disasters in 3...2....1

 

[Captain Fun]

How much can a fanbase be so insecure against ****ing Euden of all people.

Keep in mind this is the same fan base who saw the Ugly-Steve meme and thought they were under attack from Minecraft fans. Never underestimate something as powerful as a persecution complex.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

The best platformer mascot in American history.

This reminds of of how all the Special Zone stages in Super Mario World are named after 90’s slangs like Gnarly and Tubular.

 

[7NATOR]

How much can a fanbase be so insecure against ****ing Euden of all people.


So no, I don't think that's it chef, I just think the Smash Fanbase decided to be a cry baby like month when we're close to a character reveal

I mean to be fair, Euden represents alot of aspects that people would hate in a character

-From an RPG (ARPG), and RPG getting alot of hate lately
-Uses a Sword
-Anime Aesthetic
-Would seem similar to another character on the roster (Being Fire Corrin)
-From a Mobile game
-Would likely be seen as a shill pick from Nintendo
-Not Iconic, Popular, or Requested characters, as seen by people

This is what I will find people would say against Euden. I think for some people, perhaps seeing Euden compete with, and potentially beat Crash in a poll (and the fact he even got as far as he did) committed an attack on their well-being

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Because Aero the Acrobat and Radical Rex were the peak of gaming as a medium.

If we could just get back to the Croc days, everything would be ok.

That's it Noi Boi every platformer will use tank controls from now on

After months of "Scrimblo Bimblo" posting ****ting on anyone who doesn't think Pyra is the best thing over, you all freak out over one or two memes making fun of people who have been spamming it non stop.

The equivalent of the school yard bully who cries to the teacher when the other kid finally punches back.

This is ironic as **** as the whole thing only exists because some people could not handle more RPG characters leading them to trash the entire genre for nearly a decade and this topic was caused because one of those dumbasses acted like platformers have next to no content despite having the most characters in the game, leading people to call that out.


Also, sidenote, I don't think I've ever seen a JRPG purist in Smash conversations. They probably exist yet everyone here sick of platformer stans peddling their equivelant of "But what about Straight Pride or White Historu Month?" has shown that they want more characters from fighting games, beat em ups, VNs, FPS games, etc

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

I have to say that the Twitter poll in question with Euden and Crash (that also feature Shantae & the Knight) is rather poorly phrased. It asks whom they think or hope is the next Smash fighter when it would be more practical to have two separate polls about which one they most want and which one they think is most likely.

Also, sidenote, I don't think I've ever seen a JRPG purist in Smash conversations. They probably exist yet everyone here sick of platformer stans peddling their equivelant of "But what about Straight Pride or White Historu Month?" has shown that they want more characters from fighting games, beat em ups, VNs, FPS games, etc

Quote before disasters in 3...2....1

 

[GilTheGreat19]

Imagine if NEITHER of the final 2 characters are from a platformer or a JRPGS.

Oh yea.. it's time...

 

[Louie G.]

After months of "Scrimblo Bimblo" posting ****ting on anyone who doesn't think Pyra is the best thing over, you all freak out over one or two memes making fun of people who have been spamming it non stop.

The equivalent of the school yard bully who cries to the teacher when the other kid finally punches back.

Not exactly, people have been ****ting on "generic anime swordsmen" longer than scrimblo bimblo has been a thing. At risk of literally arguing "no u", your schoolyard bully argument actually applies more toward the people who cried about like, Hero way back when.

For what it's worth, I don't even really play a lot of JRPGs and I've gone on record saying I don't particularly want more characters from either genre. So I'm not even telling you this as someone who is directly a fan of the characters we did get. The other side of this coin has been at it way longer than the JRPG fans who just got tired of getting hounded every time they got a character.

 

[osby]

Keep in mind this is the same fan base who saw the Ugly-Steve meme and thought they were under attack from Minecraft fans. Never underestimate something as powerful as a persecution complex.

Remember how Jonesy was a lock because of Steve? And people had to prove they were REAL, ADULT gamers by doomposting about him as much as humanly possible for weeks?

 

[SNEKeater]

Yeah at large there's more to it, but when you really get down to it as far as Smash goes there aren't really even that many viable platforming characters people could be alluding to. Crash, Rayman and Tails / Eggman really. The latter two pop up now and again but a lot of those obnoxious platformer vs JRPG smash tweets continue to use Crash as the figurehead.

I feel bad for the Crash fans who get caught in that crossfire because stuff like that invites even further conflict around the character.

This is what I recently said. There aren't really that many popular platformer characters left outside of Nintendo. So the available options will be smaller unless we start talking about the likes of Yooka Layle.
This isn't really the case for JRPGs and other genres, specially with Ultimate, which has basically opened the floodgates for a lot of series. Before people would have laughed at you if you suggested a Persona character.

And I feel bad for Crash as well, because he's one of my MWs. But even if I know I shouldn't, and that these people are a minority, I'm starting to kinda despise the Crash fanbase because of things like this.
I remember I was following a K. Rool support account on Twitter that seemed nice until Byleth got in and hoo boy. So I don't know if some platformer fans are legit pissed because they are realizing that now platformer characters aren't as likely as before for multiple reasons, so they kinda concentrate their discontent against JRPG/anime characters because they're an easy target thanks to Fire Emblem and the classic "anime bad".

I remember when Mega Man “died” and people blamed Capcom for killing the franchise, meanwhile it has been in decline because people were getting burned out of annualized releases and spin-offs. Turns out, it needed a hiatus.

Seriously. Maybe the hiatus was very long but back then there was a LOT of Mega Man games releasing close to each other. Granted, each subseries kinda appealed to different people, but it definitely was a problem in the long run.

It doesn't help that with the years, making videogames isn't as cheap as before, plus they now usually take more time to create. Once a game needs more benefits to justify sequels, you will start to think more carefully about what you should actually develop and therefore, less ideas will be greenlighted.

 

[TheMightyP]

Smash fans recognize there'a more than 2 genres challenge.

Smash fans actually step outside of your comfort zone and play more games challenge.

Edit: To keep it on topic, people not stepping out is the reason why there seems to be a war between RPGs and Platformers. Bit tjere's thousands of genres out there. Play more games.

 

[Louie G.]

I remember I was following a K. Rool support account on Twitter that seemed nice until Byleth got in and hoo boy. So I don't know if some platformer fans are legit pissed because they are realizing that now platformer characters aren't as likely as before for multiple reasons, so they kinda concentrate their discontent against JRPG/anime characters because they're an easy target thanks to Fire Emblem and the classic "anime bad".

Oh yeah, Kremling Kampaigner right? I used to follow them too but after they got K. Rool they just shifted toward other ways to act like DKC / Rareware was apparently being snubbed... like, complaining that Last Surprise was added in full and DK Rap was cut short. I agree that they didn't need to cut DK Rap like that but that sort of thing feels like they're just looking for reasons to complain. They just ended up really petty and whiny so I unfortunately had to unfollow.

After getting both K. Rool and Banjo, 90s platformer fans are honestly eating a lot better than these community posts would have you believe anyway.

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

Given how much a dork age Capcom was in around the time with a lot of their IP's, Mega Man fans might have dodged a bullet by not seeing 11 come out till 2018 anyway.

 

[Yacobo]

Smash fans recognize there'a more than 2 genres challenge.

Smash fans actually step outside of your comfort zone and play more games challenge.

If this was said to a Fire Emblem fan that complained about not getting Edelgard and Hector the entire thread would be screaming at them right now.

Do you guys think that maybe all but a handful of DLC characters from both Smash 4 and Ultimate not being jrpg characters might've had something to do with it? You don't think that if most of the dlc was mascot platformer characters there'd be anime avatars complaining about that?

 

[Evil Trapezium]

Imagine if NEITHER of the final 2 characters are from a platformer or a JRPGS.

Oh yea.. it's time...

That would be a pretty metal way of ending Smash Ultimate but I wouldn't complain.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Oh yeah, Kremling Kampaigner right? I used to follow them too but after they got K. Rool they just shifted toward other ways to act like DKC / Rareware was apparently being snubbed... like, complaining that Last Surprise was added in full and DK Rap was cut short. I agree that they didn't need to cut DK Rap like that but that sort of thing feels like they're just looking for reasons to complain. They just ended up really petty and whiny so I unfortunately had to unfollow.

After getting both K. Rool and Banjo, 90s platformer fans are honestly eating a lot better than these community posts would have you believe anyway.

Ok but we don't have Conker in Smash who I didn't ask or care about until Banjo got in so Rare is dead, a husk of it's former self and no I don't want to buy Killer Instinct, Battletoads, Sea of Theives or the new Perfect Dark

 

[Louie G.]

If this was said to a Fire Emblem fan that complained about not getting Edelgard and Hector the entire thread would be screaming at them right now.

Not really, it would actually come off as very entitled for a fan of FE of all franchises to pretend they're being mistreated. Which is why I've never really seen anyone do that, either. If they did and decided to shun all other kinds of games and target characters like Banjo and Steve people would call them out for it.

I'm unsure where people have gotten the idea that calling people out for being selfish and unreasonable means they hate Crash Bandicoot and want five more Fire Emblem characters. In fact if anything I'm frustrated at both sides of this debate for continuing to ignore every other kind of game.

 

[TheMightyP]

So I guess to keep it honest: Aside from Crash and/or another Sonic character... who's left to add on the platforming side? Bubsy?

 

[Noipoi]

This is pretty funny ngl

 

[Yacobo]

Not really, it would actually come off as very entitled for a fan of FE of all franchises to pretend they're being mistreated. Which is why I've never really seen anyone do that, either. If they did and decided to shun all other kinds of games and target characters like Banjo and Steve people would call them out for it.

They do this constantly what are you talking about?

 

[AreJay25]

You see, what's really hilarious about this whole ordeal is that most of the people being toxic are just going to end up buying the damn DLC anyways.

 

[Noipoi]

So I guess to keep it honest: Aside from Crash and/or another Sonic character... who's left to add on the platforming side? Bubsy?

Rayman.

 

[Mushroomguy12]

Smash fans recognize there'a more than 2 genres challenge.

Smash fans actually step outside of your comfort zone and play more games challenge.

Edit: To keep it on topic, people not stepping out is the reason why there seems to be a war between RPGs and Platformers. Bit tjere's thousands of genres out there. Play more games.

Embodiment of this I guess.

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[TheMightyP]

Rayman.

Oh yeah, forgot he was a thing.

Although if I had to be honest, if Ubisoft wanted a rep I don't think Rayman would be it...

 

[Schnee117]

Oh yeah, Kremling Kampaigner right? I used to follow them too but after they got K. Rool they just shifted toward other ways to act like DKC / Rareware was apparently being snubbed... like, complaining that Last Surprise was added in full and DK Rap was cut short. I agree that they didn't need to cut DK Rap like that but that sort of thing feels like they're just looking for reasons to complain. They just ended up really petty and whiny so I unfortunately had to unfollow.

After getting both K. Rool and Banjo, 90s platformer fans are honestly eating a lot better than these community posts would have you believe anyway.

The Banjo account does that too and the owner of it is a colossal piece of ****.

You see, what's really hilarious about this whole ordeal is that most of the people being toxic are just going to end up buying the damn DLC anyways.

This implies they didn't already buy the pass

 

[Noipoi]

Oh yeah, forgot he was a thing.

Although if I had to be honest, if Ubisoft wanted a rep I don't think Rayman would be it...

I love Rayman with all my heart.

But a Rabbid would be hilarious.

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

So I guess to keep it honest: Aside from Crash and/or another Sonic character... who's left to add on the platforming side? Bubsy?

Depends on one's definition of prominent or semi-prominent platform characters, really. Some might claim Rayman, Dixie Kong, Shovel Knight, or even Sparkster would be legitimate picks. If you assume platform/puzzle/beat em up blends are valid, one could include Bandana Dee to that list as well. If you include Sony owned characters, the list gets bigger.

 

[AreJay25]

This implies they didn't already buy the pass

That just makes it even funnier tbh

 

[Yacobo]

That just makes it even funnier tbh

You would just say "hmmmmm how can you say they're bad if you haven't played as them?" There's no winning.

 

[Dinoman96]

So I guess to keep it honest: Aside from Crash and/or another Sonic character... who's left to add on the platforming side? Bubsy?

Well there’s Dixie Kong, and I suppose Bandana Dee.

also Rayman too, I guess

 

[TheMightyP]

Embodiment of this I guess.

Puzzle and Rhythm game fans are just sitting here waiting for our chance.

That's why I propose Maxwell from Scribblenauts and Rhythm Heaven character.