Official DLC Speculation Discussion Volume II

[SharkLord]

That has lead me to an idea of a double reveal/finale: Freddy Fazbear and Reimu Hakurei!

I added Freddy because FNAF, like Touhou, has AAAAAAA LLLLLLOOOOOTTTTT of fan games (to the point that its creator has even given support and funding the the most notable ones).

Oh yeah, the dev's like the West's answer to ZUN in terms of how lax he is with fanworks. On the other hand, he did say there were no FNAF crossovers planned for the time being, and Smash would probably count under that banner, so...

 

[Technomage]

Oh yeah, the dev's like the West's answer to ZUN in terms of how lax he is with fanworks. On the other hand, he did say there were no FNAF crossovers planned for the time being, and Smash would probably count under that banner, so...

When did he say that? If it was before November 2019, then there might have been a chance that Scott changed his mind. How plausible would that be?

 

[RileyXY1]

He said it’d all end “soon” so yes I am banking on a double reveal now

I don't expect a double reveal unless they are going to release both fighters in June, which is highly unlikely.

 

[GilTheGreat19]

OK but what if the trailer starts and they ask us to sing as a choir....

Halo Theme Song Original

www.youtube.com

 

[Rie Sonomura]

I don't expect a double reveal unless they are going to release both fighters in June, which is highly unlikely.

Corrin and Bayonetta didn’t both release in December for 4 even though they were revealed in the same month, iirc

could be the case here as well

 

[RileyXY1]

Corrin and Bayonetta didn’t both release in December for 4 even though they were revealed in the same month, iirc

could be the case here as well

Well this time the Fighter Pass model exists, plus all characters have been released within weeks of their announcements since Byleth, likely due to COVID.

 

[WeirdChillFever]

Corrin and Bayonetta didn’t both release in December for 4 even though they were revealed in the same month, iirc

could be the case here as well

To be fair that month was November.

 

[Yoshi-Thomas]

Corrin and Bayonetta didn’t both release in December for 4 even though they were revealed in the same month, iirc

could be the case here as well

They were both released the same day in February.

However that means nothing for Ultimate. Hero and Banjo were both revealed at E3, and we got one of them three months later, the other a month later.

 

[Mushroomguy12]

I don't expect a double reveal unless they are going to release both fighters in June, which is highly unlikely.

Hero and Banjo were a double reveal and they didn't both release in June.

 

[PacificFun]

Why are we legitimately talking about Kat? Like, she's my favorite video game character ever but she's never happening.

 

[RileyXY1]

Hero and Banjo were a double reveal and they didn't both release in June.

However this time presumably because of COVID all characters are now being released within weeks of their reveal.

 

[Momotsuki]

Freddy in Smash is one of those things that's just such a bad idea that I find myself totally down for it. Like, **** it, sure.

 

[Technomage]

Why are we legitimately talking about Kat? Like, she's my favorite video game character ever but like...its never happening.

Because someone said that Gravity Rush is one of Sakurai's favorite games, which would (allegedly) increase Kat's chances of entering Smash, especially as its grand finale.

 

[Dukefire]

Well, anything could happen with E3 and Nintendo wanting to give the biggest hitters.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Because someone said that Gravity Rush is one of Sakurai's favorite games, which would (allegedly) increase Kat's chances of entering Smash, especially as its grand finale.

Didn’t the studio close and the producer leave Sony tho?

 

[Momotsuki]

I'm really 50/50 on whether we get one or two reveals this E3. It honestly could just go either way.

 

[Technomage]

Didn’t the studio close and the producer leave Sony tho?

Oh right, I forgot about that; now I don't see Kat happening at all.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Oh right, I forgot about that; now I don't see Kat happening at all.

...and ngl, this is why I also fear for the future of Project X Zone even though the producer is still there but is with Bamco. The creators and programmers (all with Monolith) left...

 

[TCT~Phantom]

In terms of the new Sakurai interview, I will say that if there is a bonus, I doubt he would spoil it in his column. I think this is a sure fire death knell to FP 3 at this point. After him repeating his word on this for so long, I think that we will likely get very minimal content from this point onward.

So, after we stop getting characters, what's left? Well, I think that development on big new content is obviously done. No more characters, stages, etc. There is really only two kinds of "content" I think we will even get after development ends: Spirit Events and Balance Patches. Spirit Events are easy advertising that you can push forward relatively easily, so I could see them being done still as the amount of manpower compared to anything else is much much less. As for balance changes, Nintendo as...difficult as they can be towards the smash competitive scene still wants Smash to be a thing. If there are pressing balance issues, I could see them getting touched.

 

[DarthEnderX]

If all the fighters are planned out for the specific challenger pack, why, WHY, WOULD THEY SAVE LLOYD FOR LAST

Why not? SOMEBODY has to be last. Why shouldn't it be Lloyd?

Honestly if we get a 2nd SNK character that isn’t Fio or Nakoruru I’ll probably lose it and forehead flick my cat

Fio in a Metal Slug. But you are correct.

This pretty much kills any bonus fighter rumors. CP11 is truly going to be the end.

Final Announcement: "Smash Ultimate Deluxe for the Super Switch, coming 2022. Look forward Fighter's Pass 1."

 

[volbound1700]

I'm really 50/50 on whether we get one or two reveals this E3. It honestly could just go either way.

I agree.

I will say this, although Smash will be big news, the Legend of Zelda BOTW2 will probably be the showcase of the presentation. We might get a BOTW2 character for Smash, it seems highly likely. I just hope it isn't another Link/Zelda/Ganon character but rather a unique character. Impa would be nice.

 

[PacificFun]

I want a Gerudo Link costume as DLC. I'd main Link in a heart beat, lmao

 

[Technomage]

I want a Gerudo Link costume as DLC. I'd main Link in a heart beat, lmao

Don't forget a Cloudette costume, too.

Also, I guess that'd play into Thirst Theory.

 

[DarthEnderX]

I want a Gerudo Link costume as DLC. I'd main Link in a heart beat, lmao

Vai or Voe?

 

[PacificFun]

Vai or Voe?

Vai of course.

 

[rychu_supadude]

This is far, far from breaking news, but there really is a trend if you look at all of the Ultimate trailers.
The first-party reveals - aside from K. Rool which was a gag fakeout - aren't shy about showing who the character is straight up. They know we know, so suspense isn't the point. Fans of that series get satisfied and everyone else is "oh, okay".
The third-party reveals - aside from Joker where the point was that Smash wasn't expected to appear - all have that big moment where the identity is revealed. They are very much crafted around getting that "WHAT? HOLY ****" reaction.

Based on that, I think that if there is another Nintendo character, they'll get them out of the way first and despite the supposed reputation, the guest character will be the closer.

 

[DarthEnderX]

Vai of course.

Very well.

 

[cashregister9]

Looks like we have the first E3 Presentation announcement. It's Microsoft

Games, Games, Games 🗣️
World Premieres 🎬
New titles on @XboxGamePass ⏫

Save the date for the Xbox & Bethesda Games Showcase: https://t.co/ezcMtO6JM6 | #XboxBethesda pic.twitter.com/WHVbgZl5Fo

— Xbox (@Xbox) May 26, 2021

I think there will be Halo content.

 

[Dan Quixote]

On the topic of coming soon presentations, here's your reminder that in about five hours, we'll be getting the Dragon Quest 35th anniversary livestream! Lots of speculation of a remake of an old game or even Dragon Quest XII...

How are you counting down the hours until the Dragon Quest 35th anniversary livestream begins? https://t.co/gsLKuhp27a

— DRAGON QUEST (@DragonQuest) May 26, 2021

Ah and also if you haven't yet, play Dragon Quest XI S: Echoes of an Elusive Age - Definitive Edition on the Nintendo Switch family of systems. Best role-playing game of the decade babyyyyyyy

 

[PacificFun]

Dragon Quest and Final Fantasy fans are gorging.

While Tomb Raider fans are getting a cookbook.

 

[Peripuff]

The leak was simple based on an extra "Page" of Announcements for Smash. That might be the announcement. We are still not sure it is a character, it is just a page missing in the file. It could also literally be nothing.

That’s not true. It was based on a gap between the numbering of the pages on the New Zealand’s Nintendo eShop website’s listing of FP2 DLC. There was a space between what would be CP11 and the Mii Costume that came with the fighter pass and some people thought that could mean there was supposed to be an extra dlc something to fill that spot. Unless you’re talking about something else

 

[Will]

I'm not going to pay attention to any leaks until E3 is actually here, and the presentation is like <48 hours away. I'll consider anything in the meantime absolutely wrong and meaningless because that's what it usually boils down to.

Maybe Shinobi will tell us to have a smashing time on a random ass character support thread who knows

 

[Garteam]

Will I mean, yeah, if you word it like that, then of course nobody would believe it. Bidoof isn't so much 'featured' (implying he's the focus of the cover art) as he is simply apart of it.

That's like showing this picture and saying its a bounty featuring Usopp

This is clearly just the gripping of one who is unable or unwilling to accept Bidoof's new role as the series' mascot

Not in America lol.

Same energy pic.twitter.com/UCq2bXwMjz

— TheNCSmaster (@TheNCSmaster) May 26, 2021

ESRB takes a much bigger box than CERO it appears.

Rohan was right all along:

 

[SpectreJordan]

Y'all, they could change things up a bit and have CP11 be someone big. Maybe they learned something from how some fans perceived Byleth's reveal.

I’ve had an idea that maybe Pythra was the final reveal, but they bumped them up earlier in the development schedule to avoid another Byleth fiasco.

 

[KillerCage]

not immediately related to smash but STOP THE PRESSES

I can't fully express my gratitude for the @sonic_hedgehog crew and community.🙏

I hope to honor your support and passion as I'm officially back voicing #SonicTheHedgehog in games.

Can't wait for ya to see what we have planned!

THANK YOU...from the bottom of my blue heart.💙 pic.twitter.com/KOLi2MJnUi

— Roger Craig Smith (@RogerCraigSmith) May 26, 2021

RCS IS BACK AS SONIC BABY

Hopefully Smith will get better writers.

Still kinda wish we got a new actor though.

 

[Sephirothorsomethingidk]

Why not? SOMEBODY has to be last. Why shouldn't it be Lloyd?

No take Gil last no one cares for him

 

[Garteam]

I honestly have no idea if E3 will reveal just FP10 or both FP10/11, because there's a reasonable argument based on precedent for both.

The second Fighter's Pass has been incredibly consistent about making sure that the characters' reveals, presentations, and releases are all within a narrow timeframe. Not counting the ARMS guessing game, Min Min was revealed in her Sakurai Presents and was released a week later. Steve had his presentation two days after his reveal, then it was 11 days until his release. Sephiroth's presentation and (early) release were exactly a week after his reveal. Pyra had the longest period between reveal and presentation with 15 days, but she was also released on the same day as her presentation.

If this pattern holds, then we're most likely just getting FP10 revealed at E3, unless both FP10 and FP11 were developed in such a way that they could be released simultaneously. Then again, as multiple people have already pointed out, we've never gotten fewer than two newcomers during an E3 with Smash before.

So, my answer to this debate is a big fat "I dunno".

 

[Megadoomer]

With E3 coming in the next two weeks, and it seeming pretty likely that we'll get at least one Smash Bros. character revealed, what are your ideal picks for the last two, and your most realistic picks?

I've already posted my ideal line-up before:

Crash and Dante would both be great inclusions in my eyes, though I have Dante before Crash to avoid a repeat of Bayonetta where she was released at the very end and they didn't have a lot of time to release balance patches. I also have Coco as an echo fighter for Crash since she basically acts that way in her games, and it would get the game's roster to 90 characters.

Both of those characters seem like they'd be pretty big deals (Crash more than Dante, but getting Dante in Smash seems like it would still be an exciting moment), though historically speaking, Smash rarely ends on big exciting announcements. Usually, it tends to have really exciting characters at the start and/or around the middle and finish off with characters that people are less excited about. That's not always the case, I don't recall a ton of cases (whether it's for the base game content or DLC) where they finished off the reveals with the "big guns".

In an attempt to be more realistic, I'm guessing that they're going to go with a third party character/franchise that's popular, but not up there with Master Chief or Crash, and a Nintendo character - possibly trying to promote a game, though maybe they've learned their lesson from Corrin and aren't going to do that any more when it comes to wrapping up DLC line-ups.

My attempt at being realistic is this:

Maybe that's still too optimistic (for all I know, they could go with the avatar character from Fire Emblem Heroes, or another Pokemon), but rumours have been flying around for a while about a new Donkey Kong game (it was either Dixie or Bandanna Waddle Dee, and Sakurai seems determined to mainly focus on games he directed when it comes to Kirby), so I could see it happening.

If you had to make an ideal pick and a realistic pick for the final two, who would they be?

(I figure it's best to not go into "pessimistic picks" or "worst case scenarios", since what's disappointing for one person might be another person's most wanted character(s), so that seems like it would just lead to arguments)

 

[Mushroomguy12]

Don't be dramatic, he could just be talking about the end of the world.

Wow, Sora's coming after all!

 

[Technomage]

With E3 coming in the next two weeks, and it seeming pretty likely that we'll get at least one Smash Bros. character revealed, what are your ideal picks for the last two, and your most realistic picks?

I've already posted my ideal line-up before:

Crash and Dante would both be great inclusions in my eyes, though I have Dante before Crash to avoid a repeat of Bayonetta where she was released at the very end and they didn't have a lot of time to release balance patches. I also have Coco as an echo fighter for Crash since she basically acts that way in her games, and it would get the game's roster to 90 characters.

Both of those characters seem like they'd be pretty big deals (Crash more than Dante, but getting Dante in Smash seems like it would still be an exciting moment), though historically speaking, Smash rarely ends on big exciting announcements. Usually, it tends to have really exciting characters at the start and/or around the middle and finish off with characters that people are less excited about. That's not always the case, I don't recall a ton of cases (whether it's for the base game content or DLC) where they finished off the reveals with the "big guns".

In an attempt to be more realistic, I'm guessing that they're going to go with a third party character/franchise that's popular, but not up there with Master Chief or Crash, and a Nintendo character - possibly trying to promote a game, though maybe they've learned their lesson from Corrin and aren't going to do that any more.

My attempt at being realistic is this:

Maybe that's still too optimistic (for all I know, they could go with the avatar character from Fire Emblem Heroes, or another Pokemon), but rumours have been flying around for a while about a new Donkey Kong game (it was either Dixie or Bandanna Waddle Dee, and Sakurai seems determined to mainly focus on games he directed when it comes to Kirby), so I could see it happening.

If you had to make an ideal pick and a realistic pick for the final two, who would they be?

Ideal picks: Crash and Eggman

Realistic: Master Chief and Ayumi