Official DLC Speculation Discussion Volume II

[Nekoo]

So are people already screaming “Eggman Confirmed” because of the upcoming Sonic presentation? At this point, all surprise would be lost.

No, Sonic fans are busy investigating a 2 second clip of Sonic shoe's running in CGI that seems to be either Colors Opening redone, or Sonic Adventure Remake.

 

[GilTheGreat19]

About time. He has been waiting patiently for his Smash reveal.

He won't get one. Sephiroth won the DEATH BATTLE, not him

 

[Gnateb]

No, Sonic fans are busy investigating a 2 second clip of Sonic shoe's running in CGI that seems to be either Colors Opening redone, or Sonic Adventure Remake.

How I hope it's the latter. Sonic Colors is cool too though.

 

[volbound1700]

So are people already screaming “Eggman Confirmed” because of the upcoming Sonic presentation? At this point, all surprise would be lost.

I am a HUGE Sonic fan but I don't see another Sonic character coming. I am also not sure if we will get Crash or Rayman despite the fact that I would love to have both of them. Rayman probably has the best chance out of everyone listed in this post but Nintendo has been very Japanese-Centric with their DLC selections. I am not counting on Western IP or Japanese IP that is popular in West but not Japan.

This partially sums up why Nintendo sometimes struggles in the West. On the one hand, you can't blame them for mostly working with Japanese companies (especially during pandemic) and getting characters that are popular in Japan vs the West. Their Japanese customer base is far more loyal than the USA base which tends to give more attention to Microsoft and Sony.

However, this hurts Nintendo as well which is the reason Nintendo seems to only be in the spotlight in the West during certain eras (NES, SNES, Wii, and Switch) while disappear or be overshadowed by their rivals in other eras (Gamecube, Wii U, N64 to some degree). Sony (and Sega in their heydey) tend to do a better job of recognizing and supporting Western fans. For example, in Sony's Playstation All-Stars Battle Royale, they had almost 50% Western IP and the game had planned to do far more characters such as Lara Croft, Rayman, and Snake from MGS but could not secure these IP (mostly due to timing based on the PABR development videos that I have listened to on Youtube).

I almost have to ask Nintendo why characters like Doomguy, Ryu Hayabusa (one of the original third-party NES characters), Rayman, or Crash were rejected over Sephiroth (Final Fantasy 7 was not originally on Nintendo console and we already have Cloud), Joker, or some of the other picks that have not graced Nintendo consoles vs. Western Characters that are regularly appearing on Nintendo consoles and have for a while. Heck, Doom ports were on the SNES and Doom made a specific game just for the N64.

Characters like Joker are in because of the Japanese support. I would continue to expect more Joker-like picks that favor Japan over Western picks. I love Smash Ultimate and I love getting any character but I have been burned by the DLC as reality set in when I saw big-name Western IP constantly being passed up for anything that is remotely popular in Japan.

 

[Mushroomguy12]

Nice Sonic Tribute video.

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[GilTheGreat19]

Sony (and Sega in their heydey) tend to do a better job of recognizing and supporting Western fans. For example, in Sony's Playstation All-Stars Battle Royale, they had almost 50% Western IP and the game had planned to do far more characters such as Lara Croft, Rayman, and Snake from MGS but could not secure these IP (mostly due to timing based on the PABR development videos that I have listened to on Youtube).

Adding to what you're saying, Sony's in itself a Japanese company, which is incredibly ironic. Additionally, one COULD maybe try to see that Nintendo might be a bit afraid of working with Western companies, not necessarily xenophobia, but the issue could be somewhere along those lines.

Anyway, let's see what characters remain. Who knows, someone like Doom Slayer may show up.

 

[volbound1700]

Adding to what you're saying, Sony's in itself a Japanese company, which is incredibly ironic. Additionally, one COULD maybe try to see that Nintendo might be a bit afraid of working with Western companies, not necessarily xenophobia, but the issue could be somewhere along those lines.

Anyway, let's see what characters remain. Who knows, someone like Doom Slayer may show up.

I think you misread my post, I was using Sony as an example of a JAPANESE company that does support Western IP and embrace a more US-focused business environment (like Sega). They were a counter to Nintendo's mentality.

Edit: I may have also misread your post as well . Sounds like you were just adding your comment to cement my point not because you didn't understand it. Sorry for misunderstanding.

 

[NotGenerico]

About time. He has been waiting patiently for his Smash reveal.

He won't get in until Super Smash Bros Ultimate: Special Edition.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

He won't get in until Super Smash Bros Ultimate: Special Edition.

Would it be called Super Smash Bros. Special: Ultimate edition in Japan?

 

[GilTheGreat19]

I think you misread my post, I was using Sony as an example of a JAPANESE company that does support Western IP and embrace a more US-focused business environment (like Sega). They were a counter to Nintendo's mentality.

I didn't misread your post haha. I only added on to what you're saying.

Allow me to digress a bit, too.
Honestly, the Sony-Nintendo relationship is one almost no one knows for sure.

The story behind Nintendo's betrayal of Sony -- and how it ...https://venturebeat.com › 2018/06/23 › the-story-behin...

This article is a few years old and may be a bit outdated. But I feel like it could apply to today insofar that Sony and Nintendo haven't collaborated together on any projects (that I'm aware of), and while this DOES NOT directly imply a bad relationship, it's still worth nothing.
Kratos and Aloy being Fortnite Skins, including on the Switch, might be more or less Epic asking Sony if having those skins on other platforms is acceptable. Saying yes COULD be evidence towards a growing relationship between Sony and Nintendo but who knows.

 

[Louie G.]

Characters like Joker are in because of the Japanese support. I would continue to expect more Joker-like picks that favor Japan over Western picks. I love Smash Ultimate and I love getting any character but I have been burned by the DLC as reality set in when I saw big-name Western IP constantly being passed up for anything that is remotely popular in Japan.

In all fairness, Ultimate has been incredibly kind to western demands. Ridley, K. Rool, Dark Samus, Banjo & Kazooie and Steve are all big western picks, two of them being the first ever fully western owned characters to debut in Smash Bros. This is a pretty big deal!

I don't entirely disagree with your thought process, but I think those who believe Ultimate is skewed toward Japanese tastes are not looking at the full picture. There are the characters I mentioned before, and those who are exciting on a nigh worldwide scale like Inkling, Isabelle, Simon, Steve again, Sephiroth and yes, Joker. Persona 5 is a worldwide success, aside from being made in Japan I don't particularly believe he caters that much more to Japanese audiences than he does the millions of western fans who have fallen in love with Persona over the last few years.

Hell, if anything Smash has a precedent of favoring heavily Western-skewed tastes OVER heavily Japanese-skewed tastes. We got Little Mac in Smash 4, but Japan couldn't get Takamaru because he was deemed to obscure. It's the reason supporters of characters like Arle or Reimu are always in back and forth arguments about whether or not their demand is viable, but Crash or Master Chief are widely accepted as a plausibility (no shade to Chief btw, I love him).

Bottom line, I think it's smart to keep expectations in check but I think people sometimes have a tendency to let a few picks that may not cater to them color their perception of how the game has been handling fanservice as a whole. I mean, I see people lately acting like PLATFORMERS as a collective genre are being mistreated. The single most represented game type in Smash. With these dry spells of information I guess it's easy to get hung up on the last two characters being JRPG picks, but it's kind of jarring to see people acting like that's just how everything has been after we got friggin Banjo and Minecraft Steve.

 

[GilTheGreat19]

Edit: I may have also misread your post as well . Sounds like you were just adding your comment to cement my point not because you didn't understand it. Sorry for misunderstanding.

All good my friend

 

[volbound1700]

In all fairness, Ultimate has been incredibly kind to western demands. Ridley, K. Rool, Dark Samus, Banjo & Kazooie and Steve are all big western picks, two of them being the first ever fully western owned characters to debut in Smash Bros. This is a pretty big deal!

I don't entirely disagree with your thought process, but I think those who believe Ultimate is skewed toward Japanese tastes are not looking at the full picture. There are the characters I mentioned before, and those who are exciting on a nigh worldwide scale like Inkling, Isabelle, Steve again, Sephiroth and yes, Joker. Persona 5 is a worldwide success, aside from being made in Japan I don't particularly believe he caters that much more to Japanese audiences than he does the millions of western fans who have fallen in love with Persona over the last few years.

Bottom line, I think it's smart to keep expectations in check but I think people sometimes have a tendency to let a few picks that may not cater to them color their perception of how the game has been handling fanservice as a whole. I mean, I see people lately acting like PLATFORMERS as a collective genre are being mistreated. The single most represented game type in Smash. With these dry spells of information I guess it's easy to get hung up on the last two characters being JRPG picks, but it's kind of jarring to see people acting like that's just how everything has been after we got friggin Banjo and Minecraft Steve.

I agree with keeping expectations in check.

I just think that a character like Rayman that has appeared in numerous games over multiple console's lifespan are more iconic and deserving than 1-2x appearing characters in JRPG game. Also the fact that Persona 5 is more of a Playstation title than Nintendo title (same with FF7) is of note.

Rayman, Ryu Hayabusa, Doomguy, etc. are characters that have been around for longer and are fairly iconic. It seems like the cut-off is not being popular in Japan. If Nintendo was a USA company, I guarantee you DoomGuy would be in the game and likely Crash and Rayman as well, long before Sephiroth or Joker.

I do agree that Sakurai has done a better job (especially in Base Game) of adding characters that appeal to Western Audiences. However, if rumors are true that I heard in another thread, Microsoft pushed for the inclusion of Banjo to get Steve in, Nintendo didn't really request Banjo.

Past Third-Party selections like Ryu, Sonic, Snake, Pacman, and Megaman were easy because they appealed to both Japanese and Western Audiences. Now we are getting into more sticky spaces (same is true with first-party reps).

 

[Geno Boost]

The perfect Mii deluxe costume which no one has suggested yet is Flame from Joy mech fight his moveset is similar to he even has flame special attacks which perfectly fits.

also here is a fun fact about Flame: we all know Sukapon is the main character in Joy mech fighter right? but in the actual roster screen for that game it shows that Flame is the first one on the roster and Sukapon is the last which is interesting as it might possibly indicate that Sukapon similar to Megaman both were later created after the other robots.

 

[GilTheGreat19]

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This video implies that Joker was more of a Sakurai pick from the whole SEGA pool, as a major Persona (and Persona 5) fan. It could also indicate that having a Nintendo appearances OF SOME KIND increases the recognizability of the character, as well as his/her chances of getting into Smash as a playable fighter.

Going off of this, I don't necessarily agree with what volbound1700 said here, but I think it's important:

It seems like the cut-off is not being popular in Japan.

I can't think of a character that fits this bill, however, not even Master Chief imo. I know XBOX isn't big in Japan, but Chief is at least KNOWN in Japan.
I still firmly believe that ever since Joker, ANYONE was possible. And my statement seems to still stand strong.

 

[Hydreigonfan01]

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The storm is approaching...

FTFY

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

Nintendo's in an odd place generally because as the video game company still putting out major platformer titles, the relatively strong amount of characters from that genre in Smash has the contradictory effect of making the absences that are there all the more glaring. Its a been like when a company puts out compilation of games; the greater the number that are included the more the ones that didn't get in are going to stand out all the more, even if that's not the intention.

As far as the West vs. Japan in picks, I think its a bit of a push. The West gets a lot of region oriented characters for them in the base game much of the time (Ridley, Little Mac, K Rool to an extent) while the newer DLC worldwide famous fighters do appeal to both areas, but tend to be somewhat more popular and rooted in genres historically bigger to, Japan such as the JRPG.

To use a remarkably poor metaphor, the West gets to pick their favorite restaurant somewhat more often while its Japan that's usually picking the toppings when they go to the pizza place everyone likes.

 

[volbound1700]

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This video implies that Joker was more of a Sakurai pick from the whole SEGA pool, as a major Persona (and Persona 5) fan. It could also indicate that having a Nintendo appearances OF SOME KIND increases the recognizability of the character, as well as his/her chances of getting into Smash as a playable fighter.

Going off of this, I don't necessarily agree with what volbound1700 said here, but I think it's important:



I can't think of a character that fits this bill, however, not even Master Chief imo. I know XBOX isn't big in Japan, but Chief is at least KNOWN in Japan.
I still firmly believe that ever since Joker, ANYONE was possible. And my statement seems to still stand strong.

Ultimately, it would have been nice to see characters from games that I play like Doomguy, Crash, etc. but we have gotten two DLC packs and a lot of content with Smash Ultimate. I am thankful for what we have even if very few characters in the Fighter Pass have excited me.

 

[Shroob]

Here's a thought.

I agree with keeping expectations in check.

I just think that a character like Rayman that has appeared in numerous games over multiple console's lifespan are more iconic and deserving than 1-2x appearing characters in JRPG game. Also the fact that Persona 5 is more of a Playstation title than Nintendo title (same with FF7) is of note.

Rayman, Ryu Hayabusa, Doomguy, etc. are characters that have been around for longer and are fairly iconic. It seems like the cut-off is not being popular in Japan. If Nintendo was a USA company, I guarantee you DoomGuy would be in the game and likely Crash and Rayman as well, long before Sephiroth or Joker.

I do agree that Sakurai has done a better job (especially in Base Game) of adding characters that appeal to Western Audiences. However, if rumors are true that I heard in another thread, Microsoft pushed for the inclusion of Banjo to get Steve in, Nintendo didn't really request Banjo.

Past Third-Party selections like Ryu, Sonic, Snake, Pacman, and Megaman were easy because they appealed to both Japanese and Western Audiences. Now we are getting into more sticky spaces (same is true with first-party reps).

I mean, why does it matter if Persona is "More of a Playstation title than Nintendo title"?


It's true sure, but why exactly does that matter? I never really considered Snake moreso a Nintendo character than a Sony character, despite having several Metal Gear titles on Nintendo, but he was our first 3rd party character ever revealed, and MGS4 was at the time Playstation exclusive.


The only thing that matters is that the character originates from a video game, the console that they come from is meaningless.

 

[Louie G.]

I just think that a character like Rayman that has appeared in numerous games over multiple console's lifespan are more iconic and deserving than 1-2x appearing characters in JRPG game. Also the fact that Persona 5 is more of a Playstation title than Nintendo title (same with FF7) is of note.

Rayman, Ryu Hayabusa, Doomguy, etc. are characters that have been around for longer and are fairly iconic. It seems like the cut-off is not being popular in Japan. If Nintendo was a USA company, I guarantee you DoomGuy would be in the game and likely Crash and Rayman as well, long before Sephiroth or Joker.

You may be right, but just as characters with little presence in America struggle to get into Smash (Ayumi, Takamaru, Marth / Roy were considered as Japan exclusives and Lucas may not have been in had Sakurai known Mother 3 wasn't being localized)... Rayman and DOOM simply do not have much of any presence in Japan to speak of. Sure, being a Japanese company has consistently been of benefit to many third parties in Smash while Microsoft is the only western company that has gotten an "in". Still though, this is not a shortcoming exclusive to western characters as those who lack worldwide presence in general also struggle to make an appearance.

Sephiroth and Joker are from Japanese games, but they are popular worldwide. We can get into the weeds of whether these two belong in a Nintendo crossover, but that's something I've gotten over a long time ago when Cloud joined Smash. Hell, personally I'd have preferred a SMT character over Joker, but it is what it is. Smash is a celebration of gaming as a whole, although I'd argue most third party characters still do fall in line with some degree of tight Nintendo relationship. More importantly though, I think it's significant to include gaming icons both old and new within Smash. The characters you believe deserve to be in Smash are all pretty great, I'd be happy to see any one of them. But they're all icons of the 80s and 90s, while Smash seeks to cast a wide net of both nostalgic characters and those who are fresh to the current generation. We have Hero / Banjo / Terry, and we have Joker / Steve. It's pretty nice I think.

I don't know. I guess what I'm trying to say is that yeah, if Smash was a western game we'd probably have more western characters. But then we'd probably be missing a whole lot of Japanese characters instead, and personally that would disappoint me a whole lot. As it stands Smash does a pretty nice job of trying to cater to a worldly pool of fans, and most DLC characters continue to reflect this.

 

[GilTheGreat19]

while the newer DLC worldwide famous fighters do appeal to both areas, but tend to be somewhat more popular and rooted in genres historically bigger to, Japan such as the JRPG.

Yep!

Take for a second.
Look up non-Nintendo folks react to his TGA Smash Reveal Trailer, from hardcore FF fans to PlayStation fans to non-Smash fans. Heck, you can even find Jacksepticeye's reaction to it on GabSmolders's Twitch Stream of it. They enjoyed watching it.

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I recall watching this reaction and him saying "I gotta get back on just to try him out" and him squealing? That's hype! Even for someone who stopped playing smash a while ago.
's reveal was received as overwhelmingly big and entertaining by the 83 million viewers of that event. WORLDWIDE.
Point being, some characters, no matter eastern or westerns, were loved by all.

 

[volbound1700]

Here's a thought.

I mean, why does it matter if Persona is "More of a Playstation title than Nintendo title"?


It's true sure, but why exactly does that matter? I never really considered Snake moreso a Nintendo character than a Sony character, despite having several Metal Gear titles on Nintendo, but he was our first 3rd party character ever revealed, and MGS4 was at the time Playstation exclusive.


The only thing that matters is that the character originates from a video game, the console that they come from is meaningless.

It matters for fans of let's say Rayman who hasn't even appeared in the game and got rebuffed in favor of Byleth, Joker, etc. He may still appear but it isn't looking good.

I think Doomguy has 0 % chance now. It would have been an awesome add due to Doom's legacy on the Video Game Industry as a whole and its legacy on FPS. I remember my Dad buying Doom 2 when I was 10, I played the heck out of it. I was playing a mod for Doom 2 on my switch just the other day. The game series still holds up today. The character and theme are iconic to video game industry.

As stated, it is difficult to have sour grapes for not getting your picks with all that has went into the game and the fact that Nintendo gave us two DLC packs but it does hurt not seeing strong characters (some having games since 1990s).

Sonic is one of those series that is bigger in the West than in Japan so I am doubtful we get a second Sonic representative.

Personally, I think we get a Zelda character (Breadth of the Wild theme) and another iconic Japanese character. A great pick for both regions would be Ryu Hayabusa as he has been iconic since NES era.

 

[Hydreigonfan01]

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[Rie Sonomura]

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Deep breath

****ING

P O G G E R S !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

this BETTER be true on Godddddd

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

What's also worth nothing and its occasionally easy to forget is that Nintendo is still a somewhat more traditional and conservative company at times. The expansion and relationship with Western third parties, has gotten better, and the likes of the Rabbids/Mario crossover, Cadence of Hyrule, etc does point to a company that's grown more comfortable with letting their content be handled by teams in other regions.

But even Sakurai has stated the difficulties in communication with non-Japanese composers for Smash, and one can still sense the somewhat greater ease there is with the likes of Koei Tecmo for major collaborations than ones outside Japan. Basically they're making good progress, but Smash to a degree is still somewhat reflective of a regional viewpoint, not because they have a distaste for Western properties or even because they don't think they'll sell, but just because there's an old company mindset that's not easy to move away from on top of problems of practicality that do exist in working with American/European companies, especially for a DLC that does have a ticking clock for release.

 

[SharkLord]

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New leak, apparently this account has gotten stuff right before.

We're gonna need some elaboration. What, exactly, did they get right, and on the flipside, how does that compare to what they got wrong?

On a side note, they claim to have formerly gone by Tiffany Treadmore. I swear, I've heard that name before...

 

[cashregister9]

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Wait... Tiffany Treadmore, That is Hotgirlvideos69.

I think we can disregard this. the Bio does not give me confidence.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

We're gonna need some elaboration. What, exactly, did they get right, and on the flipside, how does that compare to what they got wrong?

On the side note, they claim to have formerly gone by Tiffany Treadmore. I swear, I've heard that name before...

....oh no

hype gone

ITS ****ING HOTGIRLVIDEOS69 RUN

 

[Shroob]

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Isn't this Hotgirlvideos under a new name?


****ing pass.

 

[SharkLord]

Wait... Tiffany Treadmore, That is Hotgirlvideos69.

I think we can disregard this. the Bio does not give me confidence.

....oh no

hype gone

ITS ****ING HOTGIRLVIDEOS69 RUN

Ah, that's were. I vaguely remembered HGV was also named Tiffany, but I couldn't recall their last name. With that confirmed, I think we can safely toss this one in the bin.

 

[Ivander]

Ah, it was the color equations I had previously. I tried to take multiple different approaches and I got bad results lol.

Well, it was fun while it lasted. And hey, it got us talking about quite a bunch of different characters too.

That said, the last color you did was that dark-Red/dark-Pink-ish like color, right? That was the one that had us discussing Lloyd, Eggman, Dante, Matoi, etc.
---
Also, I was about to talk about the supposed Deluxe leak, but that sure went downhill quick when it was realised who the account was. Quickest leak disregard ever. That said, a Deluxe version of Ultimate would be cool.....alongside the return of Smash Run.

 

[Speed Weed]

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hol up

"Tiffany Treadmore"

no

NO

NOT TIFFANY

ANYTHING BUT THAT

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

 

[volbound1700]

You may be right, but just as characters with little presence in America struggle to get into Smash (Ayumi, Takamaru, Marth / Roy were considered as Japan exclusives and Lucas may not have been in had Sakurai known Mother 3 wasn't being localized)... Rayman and DOOM simply do not have much of any presence in Japan to speak of. Sure, being a Japanese company has consistently been of benefit to many third parties in Smash while Microsoft is the only western company that has gotten an "in". Still though, this is not a shortcoming exclusive to western characters as those who lack worldwide presence in general also struggle to make an appearance.

Sephiroth and Joker are from Japanese games, but they are popular worldwide. We can get into the weeds of whether these two belong in a Nintendo crossover, but that's something I've gotten over a long time ago when Cloud joined Smash. Hell, personally I'd have preferred a SMT character over Joker, but it is what it is. Smash is a celebration of gaming as a whole, although I'd argue most third party characters still do fall in line with some degree of tight Nintendo relationship. More importantly though, I think it's significant to include gaming icons both old and new within Smash. The characters you believe deserve to be in Smash are all pretty great, I'd be happy to see any one of them. But they're all icons of the 80s and 90s, while Smash seeks to cast a wide net of both nostalgic characters and those who are fresh to the current generation. We have Hero / Banjo / Terry, and we have Joker / Steve. It's pretty nice I think.

I don't know. I guess what I'm trying to say is that yeah, if Smash was a western game we'd probably have more western characters. But then we'd probably be missing a whole lot of Japanese characters instead, and personally that would disappoint me a whole lot. As it stands Smash does a pretty nice job of trying to cater to a worldly pool of fans, and most DLC characters continue to reflect this.

Not trying to argue but Doom Eternal makes Doomguy definitely relevant right now. Doomguy would definitely cast a wider net than Sephiroth or Joker, IMO. Doom 1/2 in 1995 were so popular that they crashed company servers. Sephiroth was partially captured already with Cloud already being in. It seems like Seph was a base game character that got pushed to DLC. Rayman too is still putting out games: Rayman Legends for example. Joker has only been in one game, ever, to my knowledge.

I guess if you are not much of a JRPG fan, you are kind of in my spot and are not excited about DLC. I have friends who are not even buying DLC anymore because they haven't liked the picks. Regarding Final Fantasy 7, it probably doesn't help that I bought the game for the first time on my Switch recently to see what it was about and was disappointed when I played it. I don't see the hype. Funny because I loved DQ11. I still plan to play through it. It does have some interesting mechanics like the time bar and power-up bars during the fights.

In Smash 64, Melee, and Brawl, most of the picks where Universally liked (especially third-party picks). The first real divisive first-party pick was likely Bayonetta (it didn't help that Corrin followed her). I would say the picks to date have been very Japanese centric partially because the characters have only appeared in 1-2 games and are selected over Western characters that have been in multiple games that have appeared across multiple consoles.

It would be cool to see Sony throw their hat in the ring and make an improved version of ASBR again. We might get characters that Nintendo has passed over like Crash, Rayman, Spiro, Doomguy, Lara Croft, Kratos, Jill Valentine, etc. There is a lot of potential for a Smash contender.

 

[Mushroomguy12]

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Newcomer thread, after Mods shut it down upon the completion of FP2, left, colorized (2021).

Newcomer thread, after Smash Ultimate Deluxe announced, right, colorized (202X).

Edit: never mind, you guys debunked it fast lol.

 

[Shroob]

"HOW MANY TIMES DO WE HAVE TO TEACH YOU THIS LESSON HOTGIRLVIDEOS69?!"

 

[3BitSaurus]

I find it funny that she's back right after we had that discussion about the Thirst Theory and the word "ass" no longer being banned.

We can never truly escape horny jail, can we?

 

[Shroob]

The fact that we even have to entertain a fake leaker who went under the pseudonym of Hotgirlvideos69 is...

That's peak society right there

 

[Will]

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lmao not hotgirlsvideo69 bro

 

[Guynamednelson]

The fact that we even have to entertain a fake leaker who went under the pseudonym of Hotgirlvideos69 is...

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That's peak society right there

We live in a society that's thirsty for videos depicting hot girls. And E3 leaks.

 

[SNEKeater]

I agree with keeping expectations in check.

I just think that a character like Rayman that has appeared in numerous games over multiple console's lifespan are more iconic and deserving than 1-2x appearing characters in JRPG game. Also the fact that Persona 5 is more of a Playstation title than Nintendo title (same with FF7) is of note.

Rayman, Ryu Hayabusa, Doomguy, etc. are characters that have been around for longer and are fairly iconic. It seems like the cut-off is not being popular in Japan. If Nintendo was a USA company, I guarantee you DoomGuy would be in the game and likely Crash and Rayman as well, long before Sephiroth or Joker.

I do agree that Sakurai has done a better job (especially in Base Game) of adding characters that appeal to Western Audiences. However, if rumors are true that I heard in another thread, Microsoft pushed for the inclusion of Banjo to get Steve in, Nintendo didn't really request Banjo.

Past Third-Party selections like Ryu, Sonic, Snake, Pacman, and Megaman were easy because they appealed to both Japanese and Western Audiences. Now we are getting into more sticky spaces (same is true with first-party reps).

I really think you're overlooking how popular and emblematic Sephiroth is. Not that the others aren't "iconic", but Sephiroth is definitely more popular than these characters if you ask me.

In any case, I don't think more appearances = more deserving/iconic works. Obviously, if a character appears in 10 games instead of 1, that means said character will have more chances to be a popular name among fans. But it doesn't mean that's always the case.