Official DLC Speculation Discussion Volume II

[cothero]

Eh, could be because RE and MH have more of a history with Nintendo than DMC does.

And that doesn't stop people to think Master Chief is a likely character. Welcome to the wonderful world of smash speculation.

 

[GoodGrief741]

And that doesn't stop people to think Master Chief is a likely character. Welcome to the wonderful world of smash speculation.

So... An absence of Spirits is suspicious by the same standards of speculation that you agree don't make much sense?

Quite the convincing case you're making there.

 

[cothero]

• Square Enix: Final Fantasy, Dragon Quest, Vagrant Story, Valkyrie Profile, Chrono, Mana series, Front Mission, Brave Fencer Musashi, Bravely Default, Octopath Traveler, Tactics Ogre/Ogre Battle, Tomb Raider, Nier, Drakengard, Parasite Eve, Just Cause, Star Ocean, Arkanoid, SaGA, Deus Ex, Thief, Gex, Legacy of Kain, Life is Strange, Threads of Fate, Fear Effect, Bubble Bobble, Bushido Blade, Space Invaders, Darius, Lost Magic, Taito Legends, Actraiser, Illusion of Gaia and it's other games, Bust a Move?/Groove?
• Sega: Sonic the Hedgehog, Yakuza, Phantasy Star, Bayonetta, Shin Megami Tensei/Persona, Puyo Puyo, Gunstar Heroes/Guardian Heroes, Alien Soldier, Altered Beast, House of the Dead, Afterburner, Eternal Champions, Virtua Fighter, Golden Axe, Streets of Rage, Shinobi, Nights, Samba de Amigo, Shining series/Shining Force, Burning Rangers, Billy Hatcher, Clockwork Knight, Skies of Arcadia, Jet Set Radio, Shenmue, Alex Kidd, Super Monkey Ball, Panzer Dragoon, Out Run, Crazy Taxi, 7th Dragon, Landstalker, Rhythm Thief, Sakura Wars, Space Channel 5, Valkyria Chronicles, Resonance of Fate, Comix Zone, Ristar, Vectorman, Total War, Football Manager, Sword of Vermilion, ToeJam & Earl, Ecco the Dolphin, Fantasy Zone, Deep Fear, Fighting Vipers, Etrian Odyssey, Growlanser, Trauma Center, Segata Sanshiro.
• Konami: Metal Gear, Castlevania, Contra, Silent Hill, Suikoden, Sparkster/Rocket Knight, Boktai, Zone of the Enders, Frogger, Snatcher, Gradius, Parodius, Otomedeus, Wai Wai World, Getsu Fuma Den, Mystical Ninja/Ganbare Goemon, Twinbee, Dance Dance Revolution, Beatmania, Bemani/Popn' Music, Power Pro Kun, Rumble Roses, Vandal Hearts, Bomberman, Adventure Island, Star Soldier, Neutopia, Elebits, Bloody Roar, Antarctic Adventure, Bio Miracle, Momotaro Densetsu, Sunset Riders, Mystic Warriors, Gaiapolis, Bonk the Caveman, Tokimeki Memorial, LovePlus, Salamander, Princess Tomato, Doctor Lautrec, Pro Evolution Soccer, Yugioh.
• Bandai Namco: Pac-Man, Tales of, Tekken, Soulcalibur, Dark Souls, Mappy, Galaga, Legend of Valkyrie, Sky Kid, Dig Dug, Ace Combat, Tower of Duraga, .hack, Idolmaster, Ridge Racer, Xenosaga, Wonder Momo, Xevious, Time Crisis, Klonoa, Summon Night?, God Eater, Code Vein, Katamari, Taiko no Tatsujin, Mr. Driller, Super Robot Wars?, Dragon Spirit, Dragon Buster, Splatterhouse, Genpei Toma Den, Eternal Sonata, Baiten Kaitos 1, Marvel Land, Digimon.

I know next to nothing about SNK aside from King of Fighters/Fatal Fury/Art of Fighting/etc, Metal Slug, Samurai Shodown, and some of their Beat-em-ups like Sengoku and King of the Monsters.

Most of the ones you named are very tiny franchises, some are even forgotten.

 

[osby]

Most of the ones you named are very tiny franchises, some are even forgotten.

Your list includes stuff like Rival Schools, Bionic Commando, Strider, and Okami, none of which are big franchises by any means so that's only fair.

Seriously, Capcom has a lot of great series but I think people overrate just how superior they are in terms of good games/characters just because of their VS series.

 

[Icedragonadam]

It could be Zelda. Could be a mini(fairies are small).

I don't know.

 

[DarthEnderX]

Seriously, Capcom has a lot of great series but I think people overrate just how superior they are in terms of good games/characters just because of their VS series.

I mean, yes? Capcom uses it's characters in crossover games and that makes people much more familiar with their more obscure ones. But that doesn't make them overrated. They're rated higher BECAUSE Capcom uses them.

Your list includes stuff like Rival Schools, Bionic Commando, Strider, and Okami, none of which are big franchises by any means so that's only fair.

Nah, Ivander's list literally feels like he just opened wikipedia pages and copied game titles. But I could actually see Amaterasu, Strider or Spencer in Smash some day.

If I was going to take those lists seriously? Then:

• Capcom: Mega Man (Classic, X, Zero, Battle Netwok, Volnutt, Star Force, ZX), Street Fighter, Devil May Cry, Monster Hunter, Ace Attorney, Ghost N' Goblins, Final Fight, Rival Schools, Strider, Darkstalkers, Dead Rising, Bionic Commando, Resident Evil, Onimusha, Okami, Sengoku, Viewtiful Joe
• Square Enix: Final Fantasy, Dragon Quest, Vagrant Story, Valkyrie Profile, Chrono, Mana series, Front Mission, Brave Fencer Musashi, Bravely Default, Octopath Traveler, Tactics Ogre/Ogre Battle, Tomb Raider, Nier, Drakengard, Parasite Eve, Just Cause, Star Ocean, Arkanoid, SaGA, Deus Ex, Thief, Gex, Legacy of Kain, Life is Strange, Threads of Fate, Fear Effect, Bubble Bobble, Bushido Blade, Space Invaders, Darius, Lost Magic, Taito Legends, Actraiser, Illusion of Gaia and it's other games, Bust a Move?/Groove?
• Sega: Sonic the Hedgehog, Yakuza, Phantasy Star, Bayonetta, Shin Megami Tensei/Persona, Puyo Puyo, Gunstar Heroes/Guardian Heroes, Alien Soldier, Altered Beast, House of the Dead, Afterburner, Eternal Champions, Virtua Fighter, Golden Axe, Streets of Rage, Shinobi, Nights, Samba de Amigo, Shining series/Shining Force, Burning Rangers, Billy Hatcher, Clockwork Knight, Skies of Arcadia, Jet Set Radio, Shenmue, Alex Kidd, Super Monkey Ball, Panzer Dragoon, Out Run, Crazy Taxi, 7th Dragon, Landstalker, Rhythm Thief, Sakura Wars, Space Channel 5, Valkyria Chronicles, Resonance of Fate, Comix Zone, Ristar, Vectorman, Total War, Football Manager, Sword of Vermilion, ToeJam & Earl, Ecco the Dolphin, Fantasy Zone, Deep Fear, Fighting Vipers, Etrian Odyssey, Growlanser, Trauma Center, Segata Sanshiro.
• Konami: Metal Gear, Castlevania, Contra, Silent Hill, Suikoden, Sparkster/Rocket Knight, Boktai, Zone of the Enders, Frogger, Snatcher, Gradius, Parodius, Otomedeus, Wai Wai World, Getsu Fuma Den, Mystical Ninja/Ganbare Goemon, Twinbee, Dance Dance Revolution, Beatmania, Bemani/Popn' Music, Power Pro Kun, Rumble Roses, Vandal Hearts, Bomberman, Adventure Island, Star Soldier, Neutopia, Elebits, Bloody Roar, Antarctic Adventure, Bio Miracle, Momotaro Densetsu, Sunset Riders, Mystic Warriors, Gaiapolis, Bonk the Caveman, Tokimeki Memorial, LovePlus, Salamander, Princess Tomato, Doctor Lautrec, Pro Evolution Soccer, Yugioh.
• Bandai Namco: Pac-Man, Tales of, Tekken, Soulcalibur, Dark Souls, Mappy, Galaga, Legend of Valkyrie, Sky Kid, Dig Dug, Ace Combat, Tower of Duraga, .hack, Idolmaster, Ridge Racer, Xenosaga, Wonder Momo, Xevious, Time Crisis, Klonoa, Summon Night?, God Eater, Code Vein, Katamari, Taiko no Tatsujin, Mr. Driller, Super Robot Wars?, Dragon Spirit, Dragon Buster, Splatterhouse, Genpei Toma Den, Eternal Sonata, Baiten Kaitos 1, Marvel Land, Digimon.

Unless Smash hits, like, 500 characters, none of that crossed out **** even has a chance.

 

[Mamboo07]

You know, being an Assist Trophy would suck.

Imagine being a popular requested character wanting to be a fighter and bam, you're in the next Smash game as an Assist for the fighters to beat up.

Life is bad in the Smash franchise.

 

[Shroob]

You know, being an Assist Trophy would suck.

Imagine being a popular requested character wanting to be a fighter and bam, you're in the next Smash game as an Assist for the fighters to beat up.

Life is bad in the Smash franchise.

Please


Some assists haven't seen the light of day in literal decades. The fact that they're remembered enough to be on the battlefield at all would be considered an honor.

 

[osby]

You know, being an Assist Trophy would suck.

Imagine being a popular requested character wanting to be a fighter and bam, you're in the next Smash game as an Assist for the fighters to beat up.

Life is bad in the Smash franchise.

I can't believe Sakurai didn't add popularly requested characters such as checks list Chainchomp, Burrowing Snagret, Guile, Mother Brain, and fan-favorite Color TV-Game 15 into the roster.

 

[Commander_Alph]

• Konami: Metal Gear, Castlevania, Contra, Silent Hill, Suikoden, Sparkster/Rocket Knight, Boktai, Zone of the Enders, Frogger, Snatcher, Gradius, Parodius, Otomedeus, Wai Wai World, Getsu Fuma Den, Mystical Ninja/Ganbare Goemon, Twinbee, Dance Dance Revolution, Beatmania, Bemani/Popn' Music, Power Pro Kun, Rumble Roses, Vandal Hearts, Bomberman, Adventure Island, Star Soldier, Neutopia, Elebits, Bloody Roar, Antarctic Adventure, Bio Miracle, Momotaro Densetsu, Sunset Riders, Mystic Warriors, Gaiapolis, Bonk the Caveman, Tokimeki Memorial, LovePlus, Salamander, Princess Tomato, Doctor Lautrec, Pro Evolution Soccer, Yugioh.

what's the reasoning behind not crossing Tokimeki and Bonk the Caveman? Especially Tokimeki since it's suspiciously a japan-only which doesn't hold much if the series itself is crazy popular like Momotaro. Actually some of the ones that didn't get cross out (other than the obvious ones) is really questionable.

 

[Idon]

Well on the plus side there have been times where characters relegated to expanded material made their debut in the next game as full-on characters.
Well... most are echoes, and the exceptions tend to be characters that had a surge of importance like Little Mac or Isabelle.

But hey, that means there's still a chance uh, Isaac fans. Soon as we get that fabled Golden Sun remake/reboot, he'll be back in business.

 

[Hydreigonfan01]

I can't believe Sakurai didn't add popularly requested characters such as checks list Chainchomp, Burrowing Snagret, Guile, Mother Brain, and fan-favorite Color TV-Game 15 into the roster.

Pong would be a better character choice than Reckless Wii Safety Man at least.

 

[StrangeKitten]

You know, being an Assist Trophy would suck.

Imagine being a popular requested character wanting to be a fighter and bam, you're in the next Smash game as an Assist for the fighters to beat up.

Life is bad in the Smash franchise.

At least the requested characters are in in some form. I'd rather have that Shadow assist trophy than nothing. And this statement only applies to the handful of characters who would make sense as fighters. I dunno about you, but I don't think The Moon from Majora's Mask should be playable.

 

[Evil Trapezium]

Axel Stone

I want him in Smash Bros!

That is all. You can go back to talking about whatever you guys are talking about.

 

[GillaMonster]

Axel Stone

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I want him in Smash Bros!

That is all. You can go back to talking about whatever you guys are talking about.

A beat em up character would be amazing. I'm hoping the last 2 characters are from genre's not yet represented in the dlc

 

[Hydreigonfan01]

If Chun-Li can be considered, then it wouldn't be fair to forget about X and Zero.

To be honest if we ever another Mega Man character, I guess the obvious choice would be X but he certainly looks similar to classic Mega Man and would probably share a few moves. So I don't know, maybe they would go with Zero? But maybe it would feel kinda weird to skip X.

If Zero gets in, then we need his lightning loops.

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

As far as Zero getting in, I assume we're all in agreement about what his death yell/sound would be?

Spoiler

 

[Hydreigonfan01]

Master Chief was already in Smash ages ago

There was a problem fetching the tweet

 

[Dinoman96]

Imagine an alternate reality where Nintendo went third party after the GCN era

Looking forward to Super Smash Bros. For Xbox One featuring Banjo & Kazooie, as well as Super Smash Bros. For PlayStation 4 featuring Ratchet & Clank. And let's not forget Super Smash Bros. For Personal Computers, featuring the Heavy Weapons Guy from TF2

 

[Perkilator]

You know, being an Assist Trophy would suck.

Imagine being a popular requested character wanting to be a fighter and bam, you're in the next Smash game as an Assist for the fighters to beat up.

Life is bad in the Smash franchise.

While I understand the disappointment (WHY WASN‘T SHADOW AN ECHO), they‘re meant to be compensation for characters that Sakurai didn’t think could work.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Imagine an alternate reality where Nintendo went third party after the GCN era

Looking forward to Super Smash Bros. For Xbox One featuring Banjo & Kazooie, as well as Super Smash Bros. For PlayStation 4 featuring Ratchet & Clank. And let's not forget Super Smash Bros. For Personal Computers, featuring the Heavy Weapons Guy from TF2

I like the implication that Banjo and Ratchet are the biggest names Microsoft and Sony could possibly have to give front billing here

 

[osby]

I like the implication that Banjo and Ratchet are the biggest names Microsoft and Sony could possibly have to give front billing here

How dare you imply that Banjo isn't bigger than Minecraft and Halo combined.

Also, I'm more interested in how this would affect Project X Zone. Would they join as a full participant like SEGA or we wouldn't even get three characters as console guests?

 

[Dinoman96]

I like the implication that Banjo and Ratchet are the biggest names Microsoft and Sony could possibly have to give front billing here

How dare you imply that Banjo isn't bigger than Minecraft and Halo combined.

Meh, Banjo was made into a guest racer in the 360 version of Sonic & SEGA All-Stars Racing over bigger MS franchises so there's precedence. In the nightmare timeline that is Nintendo being a third party company post GCN, if they really were making a Smash game on Xbox and they wanted to have an exclusive console character, I imagine they would of gone with Banjo first because they'd know he was the most popular Microsoft choice amongst Smash/Nintendo fans.

Kind of like how, you know, we got Banjo as the very first Microsoft character in Smash in our timeline lol

 

[Cap'n Jack]

On the topic of assist trophies, I am still hoping for a patch in which they make it possible to differentiate between assist trophies you can fight back against/hazard only assist trophies when customizing items options.

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

Being able to control the type of assist trophy would be nice. Most I have no issue with but excluding a select few would improve matches for me.

 

[Guynamednelson]

I've said this once and I'm going to say it again. Should Ridley fans have just been grateful he was a boss? Because they weren't. And they got rewarded for it. It may not have been with a DLC fighter, but it's proof that "be glad they're in the game at all" isn't always the answer.

 

[chocolatejr9]

It could be Zelda. Could be a mini(fairies are small).

I don't know.

I remember yesterday I saw a "leaker" claim that we would get more Zelda news before E3, alongside some other things (another Miitopia showcase, more Pokemon news, etc.). Seemed like a bunch of safe predictions, so I didn't share it here, but their username was Samus-something on Twitter. Don't remember their actual username...

Pong would be a better character choice than Reckless Wii Safety Man at least.

What did you say, PUNK?

 

[Hadokeyblade]

I mean, yes? Capcom uses it's characters in crossover games and that makes people much more familiar with their more obscure ones. But that doesn't make them overrated. They're rated higher BECAUSE Capcom uses them.


Nah, Ivander's list literally feels like he just opened wikipedia pages and copied game titles. But I could actually see Amaterasu, Strider or Spencer in Smash some day.

If I was going to take those lists seriously? Then:
Unless Smash hits, like, 500 characters, none of that crossed out **** even has a chance.

I dont know why but i find it hilarious that you crossed out over half of the Sega list but chose to keep Nights in there.

I like the implication that Banjo and Ratchet are the biggest names Microsoft and Sony could possibly have to give front billing here

I feel like Rachet makes overll the most sense for Sony.

As far as Zero getting in, I assume we're all in agreement about what his death yell/sound would be?

Spoiler

I can just feel that being a Star KO voice line.

 

[Gnateb]

It could be Zelda. Could be a mini(fairies are small).

I don't know.

When Kelios posts, it usually means something will happen, so I'm excited to see.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

It could be Zelda. Could be a mini(fairies are small).

I don't know.

When Kelios posts, it usually means something will happen, so I'm excited to see.

Whoa whoa wait can I have context? Did Kelios post lately?

 

[CapitaineCrash]

Whoa whoa wait can I have context? Did Kelios post lately?

He posted a tweet with nothing but a Fairy emoji, and people think this a hint to a Zelda direct coming soon.

 

[chocolatejr9]

He posted a tweet with nothing but a Fairy emoji, and people think this a hint to a Zelda direct coming soon.

Finally, we'll get our Zelda rep in Smash!

 

[DarthEnderX]

I dont know why but i find it hilarious that you crossed out over half of the Sega list but chose to keep Nights in there.

I'm not a fan myself, but a lot of people seem to have an attachment to that weird clown thing. It's why Balan Wonderworld got to exist and be bad.

what's the reasoning behind not crossing Tokimeki and Bonk the Caveman? Especially Tokimeki since it's suspiciously a japan-only which doesn't hold much if the series itself is crazy popular like Momotaro.

Bonk just cause he was the mascot of the Turbografx-16, and actually has a lot of games under his belt, but also still had an NES game. A forgotten character for sure, but one I could see Nintendo doing as a wacky retro pick down the road someday.

Tokimeki Memorial is actually similar to what Famicom Detective Club is to Nintendo. Japan has a weird nostalgic attachment to it. And that franchise is actually still going.

Some assists haven't seen the light of day in literal decades. The fact that they're remembered enough to be on the battlefield at all would be considered an honor.

Indeed. The privilege of being stabbed by Sephiroth in front of millions is something most video game characters would kill for.

You think this isn't the best thing to ever likely happen to Sukapon again?

I've said this once and I'm going to say it again. Should Ridley fans have just been grateful he was a boss?

Yes.

Because they weren't. And they got rewarded for it.

Yep! They got rewarded for being toxic pests. And now we all get to reap the benefits...

 

[Among Waddle Dees]

Also by the way

There was a problem fetching the tweet

Credible leaker Kelios just posted emoji of Fairy on Twitter. some people are taking this to mean something Zelda related will be showcased the coming week, or at least very soon

Fairy, eh? You know who's often paired with a fairy?

Spoiler

Yes, I know I've done this before, let me dream.

 

[Guynamednelson]

let me dream

no you have to be grateful that kirby content's in the game at all and want crash instead

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Meh, Banjo was made into a guest racer in the 360 version of Sonic & SEGA All-Stars Racing over bigger MS franchises so there's precedence. In the nightmare timeline that is Nintendo being a third party company post GCN, if they really were making a Smash game on Xbox and they wanted to have an exclusive console character, I imagine they would of gone with Banjo first because they'd know he was the most popular Microsoft choice amongst Smash/Nintendo fans.

Kind of like how, you know, we got Banjo as the very first Microsoft character in Smash in our timeline lol

Nah, if we look at this hypothetical scenario about version exclusive characters, would you really pick Banjo when you know that the Sony version is also allowed a guest character of their choosing? Not to mention we only got Banjo due to Minecraft shenanigans

no you have to be grateful that kirby content's in the game at all and want crash instead

If I had a penny for every time you randomly whipped out your hate boner for Crash for absolutely no relevant reason at all, I'd have enough money to bribe all parties involved to put Crash in the game and have money to spare

 

[Schnee117]

I see its "Nelson brings up Crash completely unprompted just to ***** about him again" o'clock.

 

[The Rhythm Theif]

I see its "Nelson brings up Crash completely unprompted just to ***** about him again" o'clock.

Yep, it's that time of day again.

(Pain intensifies)

 

[chocolatejr9]

I see its "Nelson brings up Crash completely unprompted just to ***** about him again" o'clock.

Hey, at least I'm not bringing up Euden unprompted again!

...

Dang it...

 

[Mamboo07]

no you have to be grateful that kirby content's in the game at all and want crash instead

No, there's something missing...
Modern. Representation.