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Official DLC Speculation Discussion Volume II

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Technomage

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PeridotGX said:
I hope a hypothetical Gen 8 rep would continue the recent pattern of "**** the main characters, here's a crazy unique side character".

give us mr. ****ing rime, sakurai
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Ah yes, with that, we can finally have clown representation in the roster (besides the Koopalings' Clown Cars, of course).

BTW I was only partially joking about that.
 
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cothero said:
Just a curiosity: why people keep picking King Boo as likely of all characters? There's something special about him? 'Cuz i can't see it.
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Mainly the lack of a Luigi's Mansion 3 Spirit Event. Additionally, Euden is kinda suspicious due to the lack of a Dragalia Lost Spirit Event.
 
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cothero said:
Just a curiosity: why people keep picking King Boo as likely of all characters? There's something special about him? 'Cuz i can't see it.
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I'm willing to bet that they think he'd fit in pretty well with the Loose-Ends theory, which is something I'd agree with; on the other hand, I haven't thought of KB as very likely.

Maybe if they add King Boo, they could also add Gooigi as a Luigi echo, which would fit with the bonus fighter theory, especially the part that I came up with (an echo of one of the last 2 DLC fighters).
 
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SharkLord said:
And I'm just the guy who goes "Screw it, FDC's the only one that really fits the time frame, let's back Ayumi." At the very least, the Spirit Events have led us to some more unorthodox picks.
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It's a shame that we don't get Spirit Events more often, the process of elimination would eventually lead to us discussing the true GOAT game character:


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Technomage said:
I'm willing to bet that they think he'd fit in pretty well with the Loose-Ends theory, which is something I'd agree with; on the other hand, I haven't thought of KB as very likely.

Maybe if they add King Boo, they could also add Gooigi as a Luigi echo, which would fit with the bonus fighter theory, especially the part that I came up with (an echo of one of the last 2 DLC fighters).
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My only possible issue with King Boo is that unless he floats pretty damn close to the ground or is big - he typically is, but IIRC size has varied - he's going to be completely immune to a lot of D-Tilts / D-Smashes. Conversely, he might have a more difficult time hitting low-profiling opponents (especially pancaking ones) than even :ultsephiroth: .

He would be very interesting because he's a round ghost though: I'm pretty sure at this point they could base his moveset mostly off of the three LM games and still have room to include moves from side games or even (as much as this is heresy :roll: ) original moves if needed. The Spiked Balls alone could be an interesting projectile / partial solution to the low-profiling issue.
 
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I don't think they added Luigi's Mansion 3 spirits because they didn't. I don't think it's some conspiracy.

I feel like if we were going to get King Boo or any Mario rep it would have been before that big Mario Tourney that was held for the 35th anniversary.

Yes yes I know Anniversaries don't mean anything when it comes to character releases but for something as heavily promoted as the Mario anniversary I think a character might not have hurt.

I also tried to do a spirit board for King Boo and only 4 new characters from Luigi's Mansion 3 had official artwork. 5 if you add some artwork from Dark Moon.
 
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Adrianette Bromide said:
It's especially so that Luigi's Mansion 3 is a 10m copy selling game, a monolith of a seller and yet they haven't honoured it with a bit of png promotion yet? Kinda sus.
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Luigi's new grab doesn't stop existing just because Smash fans think spirit events and challenger packs are the only way to promote a new release.
 
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They used the Smash models for completely new renders for the Banjo spirits. I can see the new spirits being the goob and hammer ghosts, one of the ghost bosses (steward and king macfrights have official art) and of course Hellen Gravely. Boolossus also has art from older games. Anyway it's all in good spirit. I like thinking about how a floating character could work. I'm not really pushing any conspiracy theory it's just some food for thought.
 
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Adrianette Bromide said:
They used the Smash models for completely new renders for the Banjo spirits. I can see the new spirits being the goob and hammer ghosts, one of the ghost bosses (steward and king macfrights have official art) and of course Hellen Gravely. Boolossus also has art from older games. Anyway it's all in good spirit. I like thinking about how a floating character could work. I'm not really pushing any conspiracy theory it's just some food for thought.
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I mean Banjo was an interesting case because all of the characters had new designs specifically made for smash. but I digress.
 
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chocolatejr9 said:
Ghosts... don't... DIE!!!!! Can you make it out of here... alive?

Shoutout to anybody who gets that reference.
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I'd be shocked if anyone on this board didn't get that reference.

Be like going to a Star Wars forum and finding someone who didn't recognize the quote "That's no moon. It's a space station", or a Portal forum and finding someone who didn't know "The cake is a lie".
 
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Pillow said:
Honestly despite being JRPG characters, I never really classified Sephi or Xenobaes as characters pandering to the Japanese audience. They have lots of world wide appeal. Japan stan character would be like Reimu or a Gundam.
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Huh, now that you mention it, the only character that truly got into Smash in recent memory solely based on Japan popularity and importance was Hero from Dragon Quest right? Even then we get Cloud from Final Fantasy first.

"Sakurai: At the same time, I think it’s only natural to prioritize the character who enjoys worldwide popularity. I might have had misgivings if Cloud had never appeared on a Nintendo console in any form, though."

Even Terry had more than Japanese importance, he's big in some Latin American countries and is a part of a game that inspired Smash. We mostly see characters that get in favoring the West like Samus, Little Mac, Bayonetta, Ridley, King K Rool, Banjo, etc. Other characters are usually worldwide in terms of their overall popularity like Sephiroth, Steve, or Pyra. It's very rare to see characters solely targeting Japan unless I'm missing something crucial?

I could still see Touhou happening but only mainly since there are no characters that would truly make more sense for the kind of niche indie bullet hell theme she fits in for. Unless they actually add Frisk from Undertale or something else I'm not sure about is still in the running.

Maybe someone like Arle from PuyoPuyo is chosen instead as she's a young magical girl who has more popularity outside of Japan?
 
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The lack of LM3 Spirits would be more suspicious if it weren't for the fact that we're talking about...well, Luigi's Mansion. You have three realistic choices. One's an actual clone; same abilities and everything save for some goo mechanics that really don't warrant a character. Another would be added moreso for his name and importance to the series rather than genuine moveset potential. Then there's King Boo, the only semi-realistic option IMO.

I support the idea of a LM character, but I don't feel like LM3 is a game that offered us a character who feels like a glaring omission from the roster.
 
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Cosmic77 said:
The lack of LM3 Spirits would be more suspicious if it weren't for the fact that we're talking about...well, Luigi's Mansion. You have three realistic choices. One's an actual clone; same abilities and everything save for some goo mechanics that really don't warrant a character. Another would be added moreso for his name and importance to the series rather than genuine moveset potential. Then there's King Boo, the only semi-realistic option IMO.

I support the idea of a LM character, but I don't feel like LM3 is a game that offered us a character who feels like a glaring omission from the roster.
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Is the middle option E. Gadd?
 
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If there's one game I'd rather see Luigi's Mansion 3 DLC for, it'd be Mario Kart.

The possibilities (King Boo Purple alt, E. Gadd, Gooigi, Hellen Gravely, Polterpup, tracks based around the hotel, etc).

Too bad Nintendo stopped caring about MK8D DLC a while ago. Oh well, maybe for MK9.
 
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Technomage said:
Is the middle option E. Gadd?
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Yes, and while I love him as a supporting character, I don't think there's much of a point in making E. Gadd a fighter in Smash aside from being able to keep Luigi's current moveset so we can dump all of the fancy Poltergust moves on E. Gadd.

King Boo is really the only LM character who has abilities different enough from the ones Luigi could easily do himself. Whether or not I think he's likely is a different story, but I think he has the moveset potential to justify his inclusion.
 
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RGFS said:
Huh, now that you mention it, the only character that truly got into Smash in recent memory solely based on Japan popularity and importance was Hero from Dragon Quest right? Even then we get Cloud from Final Fantasy first.

"Sakurai: At the same time, I think it’s only natural to prioritize the character who enjoys worldwide popularity. I might have had misgivings if Cloud had never appeared on a Nintendo console in any form, though."

Even Terry had more than Japanese importance, he's big in some Latin American countries and is a part of a game that inspired Smash. We mostly see characters that get in favoring the West like Samus, Little Mac, Bayonetta, Ridley, King K Rool, Banjo, etc. Other characters are usually worldwide in terms of their overall popularity like Sephiroth, Steve, or Pyra. It's very rare to see characters solely targeting Japan unless I'm missing something crucial?

I could still see Touhou happening but only mainly since there are no characters that would truly make more sense for the kind of niche indie bullet hell theme she fits in for. Unless they actually add Frisk from Undertale or something else I'm not sure about is still in the running.

Maybe someone like Arle from PuyoPuyo is chosen instead as she's a young magical girl who has more popularity outside of Japan?
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To be fair, Touhou does have a decent following in the West. Granted, it's run mainly by fanworks and osmosis rather than the official games, which have relatively small presence in the fandom as a whole, but it's there. The problem is that there aren't many equivalent situations both inside and outside of Smash, so nobody can really agree on what the fandom-driven status means in the context of Smash and the Western presence, and so we're just stuck in a loop debating over it again and again and again. Though, given the weird logic the series runs on, I suppose it makes sense that that it has an unorthodox situation.
 
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SharkLord said:
To be fair, Touhou does have a decent following in the West. Granted, it's run mainly by fanworks and osmosis rather than the official games, which have relatively small presence in the fandom as a whole, but it's there. The problem is that there aren't many equivalent situations both inside and outside of Smash, so nobody can really agree on what the fandom-driven status means in the context of Smash and the Western presence, and so we're just stuck in a loop debating over it again and again and again. Though, given the weird logic the series runs on, I suppose it makes sense that that it has an unorthodox situation.
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It's certainly an odd one, I almost want to compare it to the Mortal Kombat fiasco, a series I love stuck in almost the same situation but lacking in Japan instead of worldwide. Tbh MK is way worse off simply by not being sold normally in Japan if you ask me and it hurts to say. Touhou does have the advantage of being prevalent in Japan so it could be all a plan to make the series more directly prevalent in the west. However, it's another one of those situations with too much uncertainty flying around it for me to feel even close to confident in terms of likelihood. If it does happen, awesome, if it doesn't, it's a shame but a Mii Costume could be a potentially solid start for a fighter upgrade someday, right?
 
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Been playing a lot of Pac-Man 99 & it’s making me miss the Pac-Maze stage a lot more. Such a travesty it got the axe. Anyway here’s my experience with the game so far in an over-edited FMA meme:

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Ngl kind of hoping the game gets a spirit event with jammers and pellets. Would be a cheeky way to beef up Pac’s spirit lineup without any disconfirmations.
 
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Honestly, if Luigi's Mansion 3 does get a character (which I think is unlikely) I'd much rather have E. Gadd.

He could use all of his inventions from throughout the games (fludd, the paintbrush, the hoover from Luigi's mansion (I think called the G-00?)), and all the other stuff (I checked the wiki and there's far too much to mention, although the E. Gadd battle suit sounds interesting.)

He could also summon ghosts or gooigi for certain attacks.
 
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cothero said:
Question: was FP2 characters decided in 2019? I saw someone mentioning it, but i don't remember who.
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2019, or earlier. In the ‘Sakurai Presents Byleth’ video, Sakurai mentioned that the contents of FP2 had already been decided, and that video came out in January 2020 (and iirc was prerecorded in November, but I could be wrong about that).
 
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