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Honestly, Dixie and Medusa are the only ones I really care about in that pack, I think Gooigi, Dry Bowser, and Dark Meta Knight would be better off as alternate costumes.
Cross posting from the newcomer speculation thread. Antics like these only make Dixie fans look bad, we all love Dixie here but please avoid this kind of posturing.
obviously dixie kong's support became so overwhelming that the poll had to be quarantined so as not to completely demoralize everyone who voted for someone else
#wherethehair is a pretty good hashtag for Dixie lol
If this ends up being true I'd say Sakurai has pretty much made the perfect roster. I've been prepared for Dixie to make it in as an echo and I'd much rather have this than nothing. So long as she's playable, I'll be over the moon. Hopefully she's one of those echo fighters who has lots of differences from their counterpart.
It was created by a fan of Adol Christin (from the Ys series):
That is 99% a fake leak. It was started by someone notorious for making fake leaks over at GameFAQs, and has said among other things for his fake leak that there will be Five Nights At Freddies's Mii costume and a Binding of Isaac Mii costume, and that Piranha Plant would get an Echo Fighter (Deku Baba), and makes claims into the mindset of the development team, which is a pretty obvious tell as far as fake leaks go.
I very strongly disagree with what you have to say. Dixie Kong is among the few characters left that fit the traditional definition of what it looked to be for a character to make it into Smash Bros. This sort of "bitterness" about the term deserving is a recent phenomenon due to the fact that much of the characters that the Smash Bubble is peddling (especially on the Nintendo side of things) are characters that people would say would have little merit to making it in aside from fanbase popularity (that being said, I fully expect Geno to make it in as DLC due to Sakurai very clearly liking the character).
My impression with the bitterness around "deserving" is simply that Smash Ultimate is, currently, a miraculous fighting game roster. It's filled way past the brim with Nintendo and third-party all-stars alike, plus lots of beloved side-characters and one-offs beloved snd demanded by fans, and best of all, there were no cuts and previously cut fighters came back. But in the wake of this roster are many people who feel that their favorite characters who did not make it in were more "deserving" than some other characters that are currently playable. While some of them have a point, others who actively resent those "undeserving" characters take it further and lash out against their inclusion. This being the game where "Everyone Is Here", people do not take kindly to this sentiment at all and see it as going against the spirit of this miracle of a video game.
That's generally what I mean when I say "Dixie Kong deserves to be in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate," as well. However, "deserving" has grown to have other meanings within the context of Smash speculation / fan-rallying. Sometimes it means "this old game's character should be remembered and not forgotten because I like them that much" or sometimes it means "this very new Nintendo game made a big impression on me and I their character should make it in before Nintendo possibly leaves it in the dust in the future" or it could mean other things, depending on the person.
I agree with all the sentiments regarding how worthy and iconic Dixie Kong is here, I just don't feel like trying to position her as more "deserving" than other characters being speculated / wished for will accomplish anything. This is due to the fact that Dixie fans, as well as fans of other Nintendo characters, are currently stuck in a limbo:
another user said:
The first part of my post I linked earlier was in response to these two posts, which I won't link directly but are in the Newcomer Speculation Thread. My problem with these posts isn't that I disagreed with them, it was that it showed someone trying to use Dixie's status to label others as "not as worthy". I just don't think that's very productive and I'd rather stress Dixie Kong's importance in other ways.another user said:
This was in a thread in General Discussion regarding the frustration some fans felt regarding the current lack of female characters in the Fighter's Pass besides Kazooie. I saw people weren't talking up Dixie, so I posted that, and within that post, I linked not only to this thread but your own essay. It got a favorable response within that thread, and people talked about Dixie when previously they weren't.
Fair enough. Sakurai said the same that he was disappointed that some people were still disappointed with Ultimate's roster even with no cuts happening, and said that he pretty much learned you cannot please everyone. As I said before, this roster is a miracle plain and simple. It gave me 95% of everything I ever wanted in Smash Bros.
I can sympathize with them. However, they also need to realize that not every character can make the roster, or even has the qualifications (in most normal circumstances) to make it.
I am unfamiliar with how the term "deserving" has been twisted to meet the definitions of the character being championed by the user saying the term. However, even during pre-Smash 4, people would say a character had special qualifications over other characters simply due to them being female or a villain. I always thought those arguments were silly. Ridley for example, was a villain, but he was different from say Ghirahim, in the sense that he was one of the main figures to his respective franchise, while the latter was likely a one-off, to use an example. Simply ticking a box is not enough. Sure Dixie is female, but she is not valuable because she is simply female, the same way Ridley is a villain, but he was not an important addition simply due to being one of Metroid's villains, but rather they are integral and iconic parts to their respective franchises.
I am not sure this has been stated, but I think with Fire Emblem, the reason it got so many characters is due to special circumstances. Four of the seven characters are based off of a single character (Marth). Roy was a last minute character addition. Lucina was a last minute character addition. Chrom was likely a last minute character addition. Ike and Robin were the only two newcomers after Marth who were intended from the beginning (Sakurai intended on a Fire Emblem newcomer at the beginning of the project for for both Brawl and Smash 4, though not specifically Ike and Robin).
Yes, I can see with that. I meant more along the lines of the traditional definition, particularly, "Nintendo All-Star". However, I feel that many now don't see it through through that lens. Ultimate now actually has nearly as many third-party newcomers as Nintendo ones (7 third-party newcomers as opposed to 9 Nintendo newcomers). The focus has changed.
Its a bit of a Catch-22. Dixie needs promotion to get in, but at the same time she can't build a fanbase without seeming like realistic circumstances for her to get in. Even still, you have the example of Bandana Dee still doing well in polls as this time. I think Dixie fans should try at every opportunity to think of ways to speak up or promote her. However, again, there is only so much we can do, especially since most of us do not have the time or passion to build a massive online support base.
This is a point where I am going to strongly disagree. We should talk up her credentials as much as possible. I don't think people really realize just how much of a trailblazer she was. Even compared to characters like Lara Croft, Dixie was revolutionary and perhaps even more so. Dixie managed to become extremely popular even in the 1990's, when the gaming industry cared little to appeal to demographics outside of boys and young men. Dixie got top billing in a stand alone title that she had to share with a big baby sidekick released AFTER the 64's release and 3D gaming really took off, and it still managed to be among the Top 10 best selling games for the SNES. That is really impressive, especially for 1996/1997 and for a 2D game and the kind of protagonists DKC3 had.
I appreciate you linking my post. I hope it convinced a few naysayers about Dixie's worth and merit. Thank you.
Again, thank you.
I do agree there is not much that can be done right now unfortunately. I think its a matter of delivery. We should be polite about Dixie's credentials. I don't think we should outright name particular characters, but we should be able to say things like "Dixie is one of the few characters left that would fit right in with Brawl's newcomer pool." Basically, build Dixie up, as opposed to tearing other characters down.
I feel while there are several other iconic Nintendo characters not already in Smash Bros. (most of them on the Mario side of things) that can also be called Nintendo All-Stars, Dixie is really the only character left that really screams Nintendo All-Star. Bandana Dee and Waluigi are among the most recognizable parts of their franchises, but they are not an incredible part to their respective series identity as Dixie is.
Sakurai simply cannot be predicted. I never would have guessed Dark Samus, Richter, and Piranha Plant would ever be playable in a Smash Bros. game (for Dark Samus I felt her boat sailed after Brawl's release). Special circumstances can arise to make many characters we deem "impossible" or "unlikely" be made to be as part of the roster. We can make some informed speculation, but ultimately, we will be blindsided a lot of the time.
I agree with this. I do think Waluigi and Bandana Dee could very well be the next generation's Ridley and K. Rool (the most wanted Nintendo characters by a very large margin, especially if they are not DLC for Ultimate). Dixie by contrast is simply the last piece of the puzzle for old guard Nintendo and Smash Bros. fans. There are younger fans that know of Dixie's importance, but they did not grow up with her like much of us did (unless they had the GBA DKC ports, or had the titles bought off the Virtual Console). The only major focus Dixie had during this decade was Tropical Freeze, in comparison to Bandana Dee being prominent in nearly every Kirby title released during the 2010's, and Waluigi having near perfect attendance in Mario spinoffs.
That is a good way of putting it. Dixie Kong has cemented herself as part of the core identity to her franchise. I think in time Bandana Dee will get there for Kirby (he really needs his own name in my opinion, they should have called him Bandy starting with Return to Dream Land like they originally intended). Waluigi I think might possibly make the jump outside of spinoffs like Toadette did, probably to a Luigi's Mansion title or Wario Land/Ware title, or even his own spinoff.
I appreciate you taking the time to further explain yourself, and thus being able to gain a better look into what you were trying say/convey. I do agree we should not put down other characters. I do think Dixie has one of the strongest resumes as far as Nintendo not yet part on the roster though, however, we should explain just why this is the case, and just how groundbreaking Dixie was and how she in general is such an integral part of the DK brand.
I think Impa also fits into this category, considering how huge Hyrule Warriors has become. (Yeah, yeah, it's a spin off, but that's where Waluigi and Daisy get most of their credentials from, Waluigi wouldn't even exist without Spinoffs and he’s a behemoth in the fanbase now). Especially considering how the Wii U never really got an exclusive main series Zelda game (and didn't even have a new main series title at all until BOTW, which was shared with an newer console rather than an older one like the Wii and Twilight Princess), Hyrule Warriors was pretty much the biggest thing we had for Zelda for almost the entirety of the Wii U generation, to the point that it's still being sold for full price on Switch just like Tropical Freeze. Adding to her credentials is her major story roles in some of the biggest games in the Zelda series like OOT and Skyward Sword, and the fact that she was the only nonoriginal non Tri Force wielding character to stand in the main cast of Hyrule Warrior's main story rather than being from one of the other worlds. Obviously Dixie is at the top, but if your including Bandanna Dee and Paper Mario you might as well include her as well.
And was still the best selling original Zelda game for almost the Wii U’s entire lifecycle until BOTW came out, in which the system was on its deathbed (and was dwarfed by the Switch version anyway).
Do we have concrete sales figures for HW (at least for Wii U)?
Best selling original Zelda game.
See, that's the thing though. It was literally the only non-port Zelda game on Wii U (before BOTW) lol
And it was that lack of competition that made it stand out more. If we did have an actual Zelda game on it, then maybe it wouldn’t be as iconic.
I will not rest until they put a whole barrel of monkeys into a video game.
Without him, Nintendo would have gone under in the VG market. John Kirby was very critical for Nintendo's survival which led to how huge Nintendo is today. R.I.P. John Kirby
Yea, I watched the video and the Gooigi / Dixie Kong part sounds like BS. It seems like a giant ***-pull to round out the rest of the leak, which is likely a hoax.
As I've said, Playtonic is (mostly) composed of ex-Rare employees. Nintendo gives them DK, and they'll most likely know where to take the Kong family and the Kremilngs.
