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Per the words of IGN, a miserable flop. It sold 55k in 2001, largely because it was heavily underpromoted (Nintendo Power wasn't allowed to cover it) and it came at the end of the N64's lifecycle. While it certainly has a vocal fanbase online, it doesn't change the reality of the situation.
As much as people say Dixie's fanbase is silent, Conker's is practically nonexistent in comparison to Banjo's enormous popularity and even runner ups like Master Chief and Steve among the Microsoft Reps. Even if we assume 3rd parties have priority for DLC, I'd say even then Dixie has a much higher shot than Conker as Bayonetta and Joker only squeaked by their M-Ratings by being super relevant, whereas Conker has all the cons against Banjo and more (M-rating, much smaller fanbase, no comparable sequel like Banjo Tooie). If Banjo gets in, the very best he could hope for would be an Assist Trophy, and even then the likes of that would be small.
Despite Conker being under promoted because of the insane maturity of his game and not selling well like Banjo-Kazooie which sold in the millions, Conker has a crazy following among N64 enthusiast because I know, I'm a N64 enthusiast myself. Everytime I heard about N64 games on Youtube or Reddit, especially Reddit, I all would hear 90% percent of the time is Mario 64, the Zelda games, and the Rareware games. On Reddit, all they would be talking about the majority of the time is OOT and Conker, I'm not joking. I was trying to spread the word on the underrated Goemon games on that Sub-Reddit for awhile and I was the only one talking about Goemon and some people just wanted me to shut up while they were still talking about OOT or Conker. But some people though on that Sub-Reddit have learned about the Goemon series because of me and they absolutely love it now.
Sure, Dixie has a better shot of getting in, but when it comes to popularity to Rare fans in general Conker wins.
Where is all this talk about Conker on Reddit? It only gets mentioned a couple of times in this Reddit thread. And only once here. He doesn't even appear on that top 50 Reddit poll I mentioned earlier. If there is so much potential interest in Conker then why does he never, ever appear in Smash discussion? You're talking about a character whose game sold 1% of Banjo's biggest selling game, and you're also comparing characters like Geno and Isaac to third party characters, when naturally Nintendo games will take priority in Smash discussion.
Nope. Dixie is far more popular, relevant, and more well known than Conker ever was, even among Rare fans, DKC2 and DKC3 are far bigger hits than Conker's only notable game. Again, her fanbase may be smaller than Banjo's, but at least it exists in the first place. Like StormC said, Conker couldn't even make it onto the top 50 poll on Reddit (even after removing all the Assist Trophies and Mii Costumes), there is practically zero support for him. Even among the Microsoft reps, Steve and Master Chief, as controversial as they would be, are more requested at this point than Conker.
All of those characters aside from Kratos (for obvious reasons) and (debately) Master Chief do have big fanbases for Smash, even if some are more likely than others, there are just external factors at play there.
I was talking about the N64 Sub-Reddit Cali boy. When I was there, people were constantly posting pictures of their copies of OOT or Conker's Bad Fur Day that they just bought. It got annoying because some there were bashing me for me talking about the Goemon games too much, which I was the only one talking about those underrated games.
No there isn't. Conker isn't a popular pick for Smash in even in the top 50 right now, but that could change after Banjo get's in. Also, Conker isn't as niche as you say it is, you make it sound like I was saying Conker is just as iconic/popular as Banjo which, I wasn't saying. All I'm saying is N64 fans would go after Conker after Banjo, that's all.
I don't see it happening... but dear lord if only.
Banjo & Kazooie, Conker, Joanna Dark, Gruntilda, Mumbo, Battletoads, Juno, Vela, and Dark Queen would all be part of the roster right now had the buyout never happened.
Amazing! Can you draw a Kackle vehicle?Had time to work on the next set for Mario Kart! It's Rambi and Squawks' time to shine. I definitely wanna go back and add animal crate designs to Enguarde and Squitter now. As well as do a full set for Enguarde!
Speaking of Wiz Pig, Taj, and the rest of the DKR cast excluding Diddy, Banjo, and Conker, does Nintendo own them or does Rare/Microsoft?I think the DDR characters don't really seem to fit anywhere except maybe the Banjo series. Especially weird with Pipsy, who wears a sailor fuku for no particular reason other than maybe acknowledging Nintendo as a Japanese company.
I would have been fine with them being in as spirits, yet the Spirits Team can't seem to find their artwork at all.
There's actually a discrepancy between Nintendo and Microsoft when it comes to these characters. Tiptup the turtle debuted in DKR, but has been established as a Banjo-Kazooie character from then on. He even shows up in Banjo-Tooie and in both games he gives you Jiggies for his tasks. That's fine, but the problem is that when DKR DS came out, they removed Banjo and Conker but left Tiptup in. Nintendo has been using a Microsoft character--A BANJO-KAZOOIE CHARACTER--and neither company seems to have any idea.
I always found that kind of weird how they left Tiptup in the DS version since he's tied to the Banjo-Kazooie franchise, But I always kind of assumed that since he was a minor character that they probably thought it wasn't that big of deal where as Banjo and Conker are actually the main characters of their own franchises.
So, does that make them illegal immigrants?
You know, that's actually a pretty valid point. It helps that none of these original characters ever had any major roles to speak of beyond DDR.
Haha thanks!
I was definitely gonna try Zinger and Klaptrap (and maybe something Tiki and Snowmad related as well) for enemy vehicles, but I can give Kackle a try too!
Ehh I suspect the legal teams could pounce on this if they care enough. It kinda reminds me of Geno's cameo in Superstar Saga. It was such a minor appearance that could be easily missed but Square wanted credit for it regardless. Tiptup has a much larger role and presence here in comparison and he slips by without notice. Minor character in Banjo's games, but a big part of the cast in Diddy Kong Racing.
Tiptup is a Mexican just like me. Actually, I'm half Mexican.So, does that make them illegal immigrants?
I wouldn't trust that information so suddenly, it could be just a rumor since they did said that the dlc characters won't be echoes.
Well if that was the case I can wait and like I said it's best not to assume any rumors especially after the Grinch leak ended up being false. I also rather her not to be stuck with a broken base like how Ganondorf and Dark Samus have. Daisy's treatment in this game also turned me away from the echo idea even further since I don't feel a tomboyish character like her should be stuck with a girlishly move set that Peach has.
Depends. There currently aren't too many possibilities for echo fighters of base roster characters. Seriously Bamco, you have one right there for Pac-Man, it's not rocket science.
Daisy is known enough, so I think she may get differentiation later on in the series. And lest we forget, even the very first clone fighter got moveset differences after the first game.
So I think that at least a few of the current Echoes will get moveset changes the further we go in the series, lest we end up with a dozen clones or so cluttering up future rosters if nothing's done.
I get you, I respect your opinion.
It's certainly possible. The real kicker about Dixie is that they already have her Mii hat and unlike the other costumes, they can literally just paste that onto the Diddy model, adjust the moveset, and call it a day.
Beyond Isabelle, Chrom and Ken showed us that echoes can still be somewhat unique, for example Chrom taking Ike's Up-B despite being mostly based on Roy can be easily translated into Dixie taking DK's Up-B despite being mostly based on Diddy.
Again, I can understand this frustration, but without the clone system there would have been a far smaller roster. In games like Mario Kart I can understand being angry at 'clones' like Tanooki Mario and Pink Gold Peach because the characters in a racing game shouldn't take that much time to make, but in Smash Bros there is a big difference in development time for each individual moveset. Clones like Lucas and Wolf also aren't inherently ripped, they can be just as interesting to play as the original characters, and in some cases more interesting. A lot of people even prefer playing the clones over the original characters, even in cases of echoes. It's like adding seasoning to a dish, sure it's almost the same moveset, but there is a different flavor in how it plays.
Again, we don't even know when the next Smash Bros is, it could be a very long time from now, and Sakurai might not even return, alone assuming that Dixie's popularity doesn't wane even further by that time.
I'd love Ms. Pac-Man. Impa and Octoling would also be my personal favorites to get in.Depends. There currently aren't too many possibilities for echo fighters of base roster characters. Seriously Bamco, you have one right there for Pac-Man, it's not rocket science.
Daisy is known enough, so I think she may get differentiation later on in the series. And lest we forget, even the very first clone fighter got moveset differences after the first game.
Dark Pit is increasingly looking like an unfavorite, though, seeing as he got the Echo designation alongside Lucina after 4.
I'm sorry but I'm never going to change my opinion about it, to me it would feel pointless to have her as an echo cause it not only takes away her purpose of character throughout her history but I wouldn't want to underwhelmed with how she's represented(like how I feel about Daisy) and I'm not desperate to have her on the roster just to have her in since I love Ultimate to death as it is.
To each their own. For me having her in at all would be a blessing in it of itself. Although the fact that they didn’t just make her an echo in the base roster might very well increase her chances of being unique for the future.
Tried out a few.
In my 3 month amount of time away from Smashboards, I've seen all 14,000,605 ways the DLC could possibly go and their is only 1 way Dixie makes it into the roster...
BirthNote
Nooooooooooooo......!!! Why her!?In my 3 month amount of time away from Smashboards, I've seen all 14,000,605 ways the DLC could possibly go and their is only 1 way Dixie makes it into the roster...
Echo! (through a free software update...)
I'm sorry