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Don't see what's the problem with that. I considered switching to hida at that time because the hydra wagon got no momentum and I got tired of repeating my points. No way for me to know that the Hydra wagon would emerge right after.
My point that he's been skimming is pretty much evident at this point and therefore has value still. But out of all the accusations that have been posted it's the *only* one to actually have any kind of "value" in my book. I'd say a claim I find believable is good enough to have me reconsider his alignment and I think your recent behavior is more suspect than Hydra.
You act as if I said that it was certain. I'm mainly reminding you of *possibilities* here. Just like the possibility exists that they talked about their role before the game started to clear up a few things.
I didn't say you had reasons. You made other points, which I addressed in my first post back.
Right. If you assume I'm mafia to begin with, my claim makes sense as mafia.
You used this as an attack when it didn't happen. No one is attacking you for your claim being safe. They're simply not clearing you for it. That's what I was addressing. Your above post is what you appear to be basing your vote on and it's wrong. That's what I'm attacking you for. You're making a trumped up accusation to pad your case while you think you have some momentum. Don't post bull****. Post stuff that actually happened.
I'm sick and on a computer that the app isn't bookmarked on it. I don't feel like putting forth the effort to be an *******.
"The claim is the icing on the scum cake Vult. The claim is stupidly safe and super easy for scum to hide behind;"
Posts like this one are part of the reason I hate hydras. The people involved can have widely disparate playstyles and play experience, which leads to situations where one of the partners is away, but then comes back and claims that their partner went and did something without consulting them. This can throw off reads, which are hard enough to get on hydras anyway, and is a cheap way to buy time to build an argument.
"Anything worth doing is worth doing well." Or somesuch crap like that. Hope you get to feeling better, though.
States my role is useless. Cool, one point.
-rPSI
Second iteration that my pr is useless. No expansion on that point.It's a noobscum thing. "oh no, I'm under pressure... let's get them to stop pressuring me by claiming!"
As town, you want to keep your PR kept as a secret as long as possible. You don't want to be a Night Kill target, because you do have a power role. (albeit useless)
Whereas as scum, you don't have to really worry about it that much since you don't actually have it, and you're not going to get night killed over it.
To town, it has no benefit, but simply out a power role; and perhaps prevent a lynch depending on when it happens.
To scum, it is a role-claim that will protect from a lynch.
He did it to early to prevent his "lynch" from happening. It clearly was not happening that soon. He had time to get out of pressure, plenty of it too. A dedicated townie would take the time they had to convince the rest of town that they were town. But as lazynoobscum, it's pretty appealing to get out of the situation by just claiming.
Now there are some situations in which Noob Town will try to do the same thing, cliam. However, usually they try not to out themsevles as hard and usually just crumb beyond belief that they have a PR.
Seik's feels VERY pre-determined. Not something a townie would do.
TL;DR - it's anti-town to claim as early as he did.
-rPSI
Lol. So so far we have two mentions of my pr. And then a really scummy question. I was expected to state who I would watch? I mean, what? How would me publicly discussing the use of my pr in d1 be protown at all?Here's my (Roxy) feeling of why the timing was bad. But first, some dialogue to make sure we're on the same page. As a power role, it's important to keep yourself under wraps for as long as possible. Everyone can understand this rule pretty easily; be powerful enough of a townie to not die via lynch, and be sneaky enough of a player to not be considered for a night kill, etc.
Another important aspect of being a power role, is to be able to defend themselves when heat gets going (similar to this situation is it not?). Power Roles are similar to scum to where they have to be extremely calculating and understanding of the game's events in order to make correct choices and keep cool.
Why am I saying all of this though? When your question is so simple? Well let's continue.
As town, he would've felt this reaction "These guys are idiots, and I'm going to show them why tooth and nail how they're idiots." If our responses were that horrible and baseless, he would've sure enough fought it confidently, and our reasons would be completely crushed and no longer feasible. On top of this, no one in this entire game commented about him claiming. Why did he feel the sudden need to claim? Most (all) forum mafia players know to allow the player to claim before any form of hammering is done. The lynch had a complete stand still at l-2, and was only even there (it would've been at l-3) because Soupa voted ignoring Gheb's plea, but that's not the point. The point is, he claimed when no one was even intending to kill him yet, and they only did one back and forth conversation each towards me; Rfiction nor Gheb have been faught against after this recent wagon.
As scum, the problem for them is they know when mislynches will happen, and they have to prepare for that to keep the heat off of them. They also know when they're partners are in the hot seat, and when a certain lynch will flip scum. When we push onto a scum member, the tension is different; they feels that we're catching on to them, and might panic to reduce the tension. If we're right about his intentions (which we are), Seik felt that his power-role included claim would push us back, and make anyone else continuing to push at his lynch after the claim look bad (read: you promptly voting me for my reasoning for continuing this lynch). He showed little to no thought process as of how he would've used this one-shot watcher to town's advantage, as it would be expected to be done. All he does is show the power role, then let us marinade on it while he leaves for a later time. His scum picks? People who just so happen to be pushing him.
Dude [Vult] , you act as if we only wanted to lynch him -after- he claimed 1-shot watcher. Why the sudden reaction? His claim is extremely safe.
Assume he's a mafia tracker, all he has to do is track someone and if they go towards someone they can switch it up and make it a watcher report for us (assuming anyone asks). Before he dies, he can just call out the claim to mafia (who would be unknown) and they get a free kill.
Assume he's just a goon / godfather, one-shot watcher is a claim that would explain a few things.
1) Why he doesn't die (he's one shot, and because of that he's worthless after shooting).
2) He's a 'watcher', and can use the mafia nk along with information about townies to make a viable watcher report and be 'worthless' from then on.
It's extremely safe, and extremely convenient. And with 7 days left, it was clearly at a bad time.
-Roxy
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lol really....
HOW ABOUT YOU DO THAT FIRST.
Also you have that statement misconstrued. It's "Why would town 'have' a 1-shot watcher in general", not "let's just throw away a one-shot watcher""
-rPSI
But I'm not scum though. It would be an error on in my part to have thought that he was town, but I'm not just going to sheep behind someone else. Wouldn't you say that if player X were on the wagon with us and Hydra flipped Town One-shot Watcher that player X would also look scummy? Because you know, I don't control who gets lynched in this game. The majority of town does. Note that I am not controling town, but simply making my thoughts about DatHydra clear rather than pushing his lynch. If people agree with me and elaborate on it, great. If people disagree with me and say why, that is great. We need these opinions and motivations out on the field so we can evaluate this game and determine people's alignments.
Please continue to discuss your personal distaste of hydras in thread. I can't think of a better way for you to continue to phone in content. Instead of exhibiting your extensive wealth of knowledge to the players, why not actually respond to my 529.
No, you don't get that read. I'll give it to you if you flip town, deal? In the mean time, Red Ryu and JTB can both die as well.
His word is not law. Fight your own battles.
Stop trying to show off your vocabulary.
Why does this even matter? Do you acknowledge that it looks like you know my alignment and are trying to blame it on RoxPSI if I am mislynched? Where is your vote atm?
Right, because that didn't happen earlier wrt me vs soup. Oh, but yes it did. Not to be rude, but don't assume you are even close to looking liking you are controlling town because you clearly aren't. However, if you truly think I am scum then should you not be doing more than just letting your thoughts be known? Furthermore, you are pushing for my lynch, and I don't understand why you are trying to deny this when questioned about it. Are you trying to making it seem you are more level-headed than you are actually playing? This should be irrelevant, anyway, if you legitimately had a scum read on us.RoxPSI said:
I know this was directed at Gheb, but could you explain to me what you mean by this? If you mean the circumstances surrounding when he claimed, then we are just getting into WIFOM where I say Seik did it w/o my being here and it was simply a nub mistake and then you rebuttal that I could have told him beforehand to claim early to make it look like a nub mistake and then we are not scum hunting. You should be basing your attacks on stuff prior to the claim, not the specifics and the nature of the claim. It does not clear me, but its not scummy either and you should know this.Roxy said:
I apologize for saying I was going to keep my vote on DatHydra. I'll gladly put it back if need be, but Unvote Vote: Red Ryu
Where in the hell did this come from? No one said RoxPSI is controlling the town. You defensive about players stepping up like they're supposed to?
Nice bandwagon buddy.
