Dissidia Mafia: Over Serial Killer Wiins! ~ Told you $#!* got real!

[Asdioh]

As for RR, I'm going WTF at alot of his posts. I'm getting a IDGAF attitude from him off posts like this





Honestly, I'm getting the vibe that you don't even care about this game due to your lack of active scumhunting and your lack of cooperation with us.

Then there's this.



You COULD be important, but you are choosing not to. I really don't see any reason why you should be in this game with your current attitude.

unvote
vote Red Ryu

If you don't want to play, replace out then. There are three people on the
replacement list that would probably be more active than you.

I agree with this completely. I can't say for sure, but it seems almost like Red Ryu is town... but doesn't give a crap about the game and that's a really ****ty thing to do.

Stop skimming and read what RR's posted. In context, it should make sense since everything he is doing is anti-town.

Hida? Skimming? Since when?? :mistyface:

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

unvote

@Hida: Who do you think should be lynched today?

 

[Vult Redux]

You COULD be important, but you are choosing not to. I really don't see any reason why you should be in this game with your current attitude.

unvote
vote Red Ryu

Nooooo you are letting him distract you. Just wait for him to get replaced or change his behavior or whatever.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Everyone else is more important so who cares.

@Asdioh: Why are you flip flopping on me?

 

[RoxPSI]

Here's the wagon so everyone can see and so RR can see all my thoughts on it and why I believe him to playing anti-town.

I'm not giving a list, gives scum a nice clear read on how I feel about everyone.

Top two are Hida, and Soupamario

Hida because of what I said, and Soupamario because his noob card claim is bull, imo.

You're reasons are so well explained. I mean like "his noob card claim is bull" is SOOO LEGITIMATE. [/sarcasm]

It also gives town something to work with from you.

Cuz you've done nothing all game.

Smarboy is right, you literally haven't done anything this game. Please, please, PLEASE elaborate on why you think things are the way they are. I mean, there are ALOT of posts in this thread with ALOT of information. And you've contributed almost NONE of it. All input you have given has been BARE MINIMUM to just avoid the prod.

It's true, but I not listing everyone on a list for scum to read.

He didn't even ask you for a full list. He was asking for you opinion on people and their interactions.

._.

umm... if you're going to be useless... you should go be useless while dead so you don't hinder the game.

-rPSI

What I said; lol.

Ryu you're in no position to...

Wow...

Just... wow. Where's the big a** rock when you need it? Ryu, you need to actually do something this game if you wanna be seen as town. Your post made it seem like you were standing on a frozen river, hoping you can cross the river without falling through the ice. Except here, you were just hoping you can look like you're playing the game. When you were just... not... You were almost completely stanceless, and the laughable stance vs hida is recycled.

You do have to do something to be seen as town. Honestly, this describes how you've been playing perfectly. You've been hardly posting anything. One liner sentences are not enough to describe what you feel about someone. Hell, there have been whole arguments over small details, which you REFUSE to go into. We can't get a read on you if you don't contribute; thus you are holding the game back; which is anti-town.

RR, you don't need to do a nice color-coded list or rank people from 1 (confirmed town) to 10 (confirmed scum). You do need to take stances in the form "I think X is scummy because of Y."

Second my other head's FOS. The only reason I had you at null before this was your lack of posting, but if it's that you're not willing to post and not that you can't? Yeah, you're scum.

Smarboy points out that you don't even have to make it all fancy, he just wanted your ****ing opinions. God, can't we just know what you think and why?

This is funny, because I've given my stances on some people already, Gheb, Hida, RoxPSI, datHydra, SoupaMario.

I am not however laying all my cards on the table making a list off everyone to let scum manipulate my thoughts.

Hardly, all we got is "lol I think they're scummy because of a crappy reason that I refuse to go into detail about." Man the **** up.
We're not even asking you to lay all your cards out on the table. We're only asking you to put the ones down that help town. We're asking you to help us scum hunt. Being involved in discussion helps us out by giving us different viewpoints and perspectives. It helps us to determine the motivations behind each players actions and why they do different things.

Enjoy your mislynch.

AtE much. Even if it would be a mislynch, it will have been one of the most constructive mislynches to happen. A coasting/lurking townie is terrible, since they are the exact same as a coasting/lurking mafia.

My play-style attract attention, it always has. I never look town to everyone in mafia whenever I play it, which is good and bad I guess, consistent play but then leads to people wanting to lynch me usually.

I'm not important in this game either way, I guess.

I do not like how three different people jumped on a bandwagon where two of them posted little to no content why they felt like it, RoxPSI and Gordito.

Everyone is important in every game. Everyone plays a role. There's a reason why the vanilla townie role typically says "all you have is your voice and your vote, use it wisely" or something along the lines of that. It is because vanilla townies are the workforce that help to drive this game. If you are a vanilla townie, you should be trying to win this game for town.
Also, I've seen your play-style before. It may "attract attention", but that isn't necessarily bad at all. It let's us get a read on you. All you have to do is play carefully and make sure that everything you do is town-motivated and can be defended as such (since town should be actively trying to win and all)

You're kidding me rite?

This is basically a short summary of what I just said. lol

As for RR, I'm going WTF at alot of his posts. I'm getting a IDGAF attitude from him off posts like this





Honestly, I'm getting the vibe that you don't even care about this game due to your lack of active scumhunting and your lack of cooperation with us.

Then there's this.



You COULD be important, but you are choosing not to. I really don't see any reason why you should be in this game with your current attitude.

unvote
vote Red Ryu

If you don't want to play, replace out then. There are three people on the
replacement list that would probably be more active than you.

JTB raises a good point. If you don't want to be in this game (which it actually seems like you don't, you can replace out. However, I will forever a murder you if you let J replace in )

@ hida

I don't agree with you on roxPSI's callout on RR. He's being straight up blunt with him since RR isn't being cooperative at all.

Stop skimming and read what RR's posted. In context, it should make sense since everything he is doing is anti-town.

Yeahhh... He didn't like my ultimadum, but that's probably because he didn't notice what was going on.

The only thing I will not so is post a list, that is it.



Enlighten me how everything I am doing is anti-town.

Really? Because you seem to have said that you won't play actively.

unvote

@Hida: Who do you think should be lynched today?

I sort of like the attempt to get information, but we still have no feedback from you. =/

-rPSI

 

[JTB]

Nooooo you are letting him distract you. Just wait for him to get replaced or change his behavior or whatever.

So we unvote him so there is less pressure on him? He'll just go back to lurking.

 

[Asdioh]

Everyone else is more important so who cares.

@Asdioh: Why are you flip flopping on me?

Because at first I got the impression of lurking scum but now I'm getting the impression of someone who joined a game but doesn't care to play it.

Does that sound right to you?

Unless it's all an act but it's not a good one if you want to live long.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

You're reasons are so well explained. I mean like "his noob card claim is bull" is SOOO LEGITIMATE. [/sarcasm]

It is.

Why would he try to play a noob card and then switch right away or claim he was switching, for all we know that could have been his usual play and the flip was him just trying to change strats.

Smarboy is right, you literally haven't done anything this game. Please, please, PLEASE elaborate on why you think things are the way they are. I mean, there are ALOT of posts in this thread with ALOT of information. And you've contributed almost NONE of it. All input you have given has been BARE MINIMUM to just avoid the prod.

...hate to admit it but this is true. Except for the prod part, I am not doing that.

He didn't even ask you for a full list. He was asking for you opinion on people and their interactions.

The people he listed was close enough to a full list that I did not want to post it.

._.

:king:

What I said; lol.

Addressed this.

You do have to do something to be seen as town. Honestly, this describes how you've been playing perfectly. You've been hardly posting anything. One liner sentences are not enough to describe what you feel about someone. Hell, there have been whole arguments over small details, which you REFUSE to go into. We can't get a read on you if you don't contribute; thus you are holding the game back; which is anti-town.

I'm posting the stances on things I notice and what I see therefore I'm doing more than being a rock.

And look at the context of what you quoted, it was something that was not a one liner.

Smarboy points out that you don't even have to make it all fancy, he just wanted your ****ing opinions. God, can't we just know what you think and why?

The premise of what I was being asked is something I was not confortable with, a few people are fine, asking a list is not cool.

Hardly, all we got is "lol I think they're scummy because of a crappy reason that I refuse to go into detail about." Man the **** up.
We're not even asking you to lay all your cards out on the table. We're only asking you to put the ones down that help town. We're asking you to help us scum hunt. Being involved in discussion helps us out by giving us different viewpoints and perspectives. It helps us to determine the motivations behind each players actions and why they do different things.

Which I am working on.

AtE much. Even if it would be a mislynch, it will have been one of the most constructive mislynches to happen. A coasting/lurking townie is terrible, since they are the exact same as a coasting/lurking mafia.

Avoiding a mislynch is better than knowing killing a townie, although in this case there is nothing to prove me to be a townie now is there.

Everyone is important in every game. Everyone plays a role. There's a reason why the vanilla townie role typically says "all you have is your voice and your vote, use it wisely" or something along the lines of that. It is because vanilla townies are the workforce that help to drive this game. If you are a vanilla townie, you should be trying to win this game for town.
Also, I've seen your play-style before. It may "attract attention", but that isn't necessarily bad at all. It let's us get a read on you. All you have to do is play carefully and make sure that everything you do is town-motivated and can be defended as such (since town should be actively trying to win and all)

I am trying to win for town, and my style is still bad because I always get a scum vibe from everyone.

Consistent play, but it is consistently poor looking. I guess it is better than Air's play which is consistently skimming and lol play.

And yes, there are others here who are more important to helping town.

This is basically a short summary of what I just said. lol

JTB raises a good point. If you don't want to be in this game (which it actually seems like you don't, you can replace out. However, I will forever a murder you if you let J replace in )

Not replacing out, don't plan on it.

Yeahhh... He didn't like my ultimadum, but that's probably because he didn't notice what was going on.

huh?

Really? Because you seem to have said that you won't play actively.

Where did I say that? I never said this.

I sort of like the attempt to get information, but we still have no feedback from you. =/

-rPSI

No feedback is a lie, I have given feedback on this game.

 

[smarboy69]

Asdioh - as far as I can tell, there was plenty of pressure on Hida. Several people had put him in their top two scumreads, more were pushing for him to be one of two competing wagons - it wasn't a case of "Hida = obvtown!!!"

RR - I second everything Rox said about your play.

Let's assume for a moment that you're town. You know you're town; what's more, you are the only one you know to be town. THAT MAKES YOU THE MOST IMPORTANT PLAYER IN THE GAME RIGHT NOW (from your POV). Any one of us could be scum lying to you and manipulating your reads. You want to counter scum's influence, and the only way to do that is to persuade people that your point of view is right. If you won't even give us your point of view, best case scenario, there's one less townie contributing. Worst case scenario, you get mislynched.

Now let's assume you're scum. Sure, not taking stances or posting means you don't get caught on a mislynch, and you might fly under the radar for a while. Best case scenario, you're not pushing mislynches and distancing from your partner and buddying townies and generally being a useful scumbuddy. Worst case scenario, you get yourself lynched.

There is no reason for any player - town or scum - to refuse to play the game.

 

[smarboy69]

RR, you have to do more than look at two of the most controversial players and say "Hey, they're scum!".

What do you think of Hydra? What do you think of the people on his wagon? What do you think of the claim?

Pick one player who is NOT {dathydra, soupa, hida}. What is your read on that player, and why? I expect at least five sentences.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

So we unvote him so there is less pressure on him? He'll just go back to lurking.

Because at first I got the impression of lurking scum but now I'm getting the impression of someone who joined a game but doesn't care to play it.

Does that sound right to you?

Unless it's all an act but it's not a good one if you want to live long.

Why are you flipping so suddenly on me though?

In 2 hours you go from scum to town. How did I convince you or what specifically made you think I was dumb town over scum?

QUOTE=smarboy69;12296466]Asdioh - as far as I can tell, there was plenty of pressure on Hida. Several people had put him in their top two scumreads, more were pushing for him to be one of two competing wagons - it wasn't a case of "Hida = obvtown!!!"

RR - I second everything Rox said about your play.

Let's assume for a moment that you're town. You know you're town; what's more, you are the only one you know to be town. THAT MAKES YOU THE MOST IMPORTANT PLAYER IN THE GAME RIGHT NOW (from your POV). Any one of us could be scum lying to you and manipulating your reads. You want to counter scum's influence, and the only way to do that is to persuade people that your point of view is right. If you won't even give us your point of view, best case scenario, there's one less townie contributing. Worst case scenario, you get mislynched.

Now let's assume you're scum. Sure, not taking stances or posting means you don't get caught on a mislynch, and you might fly under the radar for a while. Best case scenario, you're not pushing mislynches and distancing from your partner and buddying townies and generally being a useful scumbuddy. Worst case scenario, you get yourself lynched.

There is no reason for any player - town or scum - to refuse to play the game.[/QUOTE]

Again, where did I say I wasn't gonna play, all I said was, "I'm not posting a list"

 

[smarboy69]

Everyone else is more important so who cares.

@Asdioh: Why are you flip flopping on me?

Well, that statement certainly gave me the impression that you didn't care about the game.

Which player are you going to talk about?

 

[Vult Redux]

So we unvote him so there is less pressure on him? He'll just go back to lurking.

I like you.

 

[Asdioh]

Asdioh: Scumbuddies will bus each other/place distancing votes when it doesn't look like a lynch is all that likely. Don't avoid a wagon because someone you think is scummy is on it.

When I was RR's scumbuddy, he had heat on him most of the game (maybe because that's just how RR plays) and I was willing to bus him at anytime. It never came to that point, but the point I'm getting at is that Hida had practically no heat on him so I don't think that's bussing. I definitely think that Hida OR Red Ryu are scum, moreso Hida, but not both of them.

Asdioh - as far as I can tell, there was plenty of pressure on Hida. Several people had put him in their top two scumreads, more were pushing for him to be one of two competing wagons - it wasn't a case of "Hida = obvtown!!!"

I had to go back and get those first two quotes because I forgot what you were talking about.
It certainly wasn't a case of "hida is obvtown" but at the time DatHydra was getting more pressure than him. I don't think Red Ryu was about to bus his scumbuddy at that point though, it was way too early. I personally feel that because of this, if Hida is scum (which I think he is) then RR is town.


So Smarboy, I just went over Sephiroth's votecount posts, and I see you as "no vote" on any of them. I looked because I don't remember... have you voted for anyone?

 

[smarboy69]

As I told Gheb, we're kind of stuck in that department. Come on, we've been playing long enough to know better than to not vote if we have the option.

To be honest, if it wasn't an issue, we'd be voting RR right now. Otherwise, we've been suspicious enough Hida and DH to have voted in another game. Really, just watch the FOS's - some are pressure or notes for later, those three (RR, Hida, DH) are serious.

 

[Asdioh]

So Smarboy, I just went over Sephiroth's votecount posts, and I see you as "no vote" on any of them. I looked because I don't remember... have you voted for anyone?

on all of them*

in case that wasn't obvious

 

[RoxPSI]

Meant to post this earlier, this is our reasoning behind the Hydra lynch, and us going through posts to see if this reasoning is legit; it is even now.

First off, it'd be good to explain why we felt DatHydra was town initially, and our thought process throughout the wagon.

It initially started with the Soupamario discussion between me and gheb. Me and rPSI's thoughts were that Soup was a detriment, and because of that he should be the play until proven otherwise (i.e. until someone who actually looked like a candidate for scum was to arise). A lot of players at this time were null-reads, whether due to inactivity, or due to only talking about game technicalities (smarboy and Gheb come to mind here).

I'm taking the time to re-read here to see if we feel the need to jump back on this wagon

And then, this post comes into light, a legitimate comment towards scum hunting. This is good, and with nothing but null it leads DatHydra to look town.

Gheb begins to push DH only because he's skimming (for the most part) nothing more. RF joins in with no real reason (yet), and Soupamario joins as well (i still to this day think this is merely a sheep of Gheb).

Gheb here comments that his information was -not- null at all, and however was town in generating discussion. I'd like to disagree, only because game mechanics don't suddenly make a person come out as scummy, actual conversation does. Anyways, Gheb gives his reason for his vote on DH showing that his vote was a legitimate one. DH was skimming, calling his (gheb's) information worthless, and continuing on to attack Soup's points against him.

DH then comments that he strongly feels Soup is town, and that he wants his hard stances on whether Gheb is town and he is scum.

At this point, I feel that Soup no longer has a purpose in being talked to, at least not extensively. His reasonings are not 'scummy' apparently, and just conversing with him and no one else, would be dodging scum-hunting while looking active.


@ 159 - He commented that he doesn't want this back and forth conversation happening anymore, because it shuts out other players; this is a good point, and at this point he's still looking good actually.

Does that bother you? Do you think my wagon had enough substance to warrant more votes? Why are you so adverse to JTB attention?

If he still thinks Soup is town, what does this question mean to push?

His next post is more about Soup

Soup's protip of the day: When noobscum apologizes, their actions should be let go.

I am in no way calling JTB noobscum. Or maybe I am, I have completely forgotten by now.

This is him calling JTB out as potentially noob scum. Which arises the question again, If soup was town, why would he have a connection with scum? Shouldn't it be the other way around?

Case in point. Lots of info to read, harder to jump in.

This post is on Hida now, he feels that Hida's opener actually proves his point, and isn't something to reach as scummy (at least for now)

......

did you just claim scum?

Probably a joke, because he didn't push this whatsoever, but more conversation on soup.

So let me get this straight. After Gheb and Falcon joined my wagon, the thought that went through your head was not "let me join too because I have an overwhelming scum read on kuz" but rather it was "if I join now, while others are bandwagoning, maybe people won't call me scum."

Yeah.

What does -any- of this matter if he's Town in his eyes? This still is the problem that's perplexing me . He's completely dropped gheb, to an extent dropped JTB during this page, and is still only discussing back and forth on Soup

Nice quick edit.

1. You obviously have never been in RVS before.
2. You obviously don't know the history between Roxy and myself
3. Or maybe I am not voting you because I am not convinced you're scum yet. In fact, as I said before, i had a town read on you. But oh wait, I must have three ulterior motives for not voting you. Lets analyze why I am not voting you and then come to the conclusion that I have a PR.

No comment on my 'buddying' on him yet. Now at this point he says he 'had' a town read on Soup, that means he potentially feels Soup is scum at this point apparently. This gives what he's been saying before a good bit a merit (or does it? I dunno, at first he said he was town and that he shoudl relax on his posting, perhaps he was doing it to look good to soup? That's me reaching a bit is it? Let's look for more apparently things; let's continue.)

At this point GHeb comes in with a pair of aviators and an explosion behind his back and writes a huge blurb about a good deal of stuff, pushing an FoS in my direction. Dathydra agrees, saying

Agreed. Specially that part about him not finding Soup scummy, but still vehemently supporting his lynch. Regardless, you seem to have a pretty good list of valid reasoning for voting RoxPSI, yet your vote continues to remain on me. Am I still scummier than RoxyPSI, despite all that reasoning?

I'm copying this for later, because I remember something DH said that contradicted with this.

here it is, in his dialogue with Gheb

I never said I agreed with all your points, mostly the one about voting Soup despite thinking he is town, and just wanting to get him gone because of him being a detriment in lylo.

Am I reading this wrong? Or is he disagreeing with me voting Soup despite thinking he's town? I remember this bugged me before, because I felt "If all of those reasons are false in your eyes, why even FoS?"

His next post is contentless; no really, it's contentless and he admits it; null imo.

His next post shows that I felt he was tunneling on Soup, and he responds to my question about JTB, who is someone he thought was scummy. He said that was scummy still, and that while he had a strong defence, lacked input during the day; there are a lot of people who lacked input to the day, or at least lacked any form of scumhunting towards the day. Why didn't DH push into JTB this whole time instead of pushing towards Soup? Well, he did say that he 'had' that town read, so maybe he still thinks he's scum to an extent? We'll see..

I’m feeling a bit better about JTB. He hasn’t brought anything particularly new to the table, but he seems sincere in his post. I'll need to re-evaluate this later on, but I'm satisfied for now.

here he retracts his statement on JTB, the only person he had a scum read (openly on). At this point that'd leave that he indirectly is still unsure of Soup's alignment. His reasons for feeling better about JTB border along the lines of say, how I feel about Hida if you really think about it. He didn't like him because he had no input, and while he still had no input later in the day, he felt better about him because of his sincerity and dropped him. Only difference was I was okay because Hida was making an attempt of pinning scum, JTB was not.

Continuing on.

His vote remained on me, I saw that as pressure. My intent was not to push a Soup lynch, but to clear my name. When Soup unvoted us, we no longer pressured him.

This is the main problem. He only hounded Soup to clear his name, why would hounding soup do any justice when Gheb was the one with the main problem? His view of Soup was slowly dwindling into a lynch, however never was said as such, now that he admits that he still feels soup is town, it gives all of his conversation thus far no merit; he has not been scumhunting granted his constant conversing throughout the past few days.

I didn't vote Soup. You reading this game at all?

Soup's posts were obvtown, but they were also noobtown. He constantly attacked me with weak points, and so I argued them down aggressively. The intent was not to get a lynch on Soup, but to break down his argument.

With no vote from us, and consequently no tunneling your case falls flat

No, his case did NOT fall flat, you were on Soup all day, feeling that he was town, and never pulling away to actually scum hunt thus far.

Gheb posts this.

DatHydra, buddying is a bit of a vague term because we all kind of have our own definition on when it becomes "buddying". I don't feel like anybody has been buddying me; as for you I feel buddyish vibes coming from RoxPSI [answering questions pointed towards you before you did] and Tandora but that could be just my general impression of your social "my SWF husbando" interaction. More concerned with Rox based on that but my read on him depends a lot on your alignment so I can't really do much with it atm.

So DH's flip helps lead into me? Then why are you (at this moment) not pushing his lynch anymore? Doesn't that help give a read on me and is beneficial to town and scumhunting? You feel I'm buddying DH, however you don't even at this moment know if he's town. What if he's scum (which he is from my *roxy* point of view). Would a townie buddy someone who flips scum? That doesn't make sense, would scum buddy scum? That doesn't make sense either.

I was unsure if RoxPSI was simply agreeing with my points earlier, or buddying. It's not something to actively pursue at the moment I feel, but something to consider.

Shows uncertainty in if i'm buddying, but now that the seat's hot, it's suddenly "RoxPSI's buddying and is 100% scum" please.

At this point, he pulls away from everyone and hounds onto Hida, which is a good choice considering his flawed logic about RF's posts. There's nothing wrong with this fmpov.

After this, he (read: Kuz) is gone traveling and seikend is waiting on it, and so the wagon upon DH begins.

Everything from here on you can read and see quite easily, so i don't feel the need to reiterate it.

I still want to openly advocate pushing RR for activity, Glyph as well, but I feel our best lynch for today is still DH.

unvote
Vote : DatHydra

-Roxy

 

[RoxPSI]

EBWOP

unvote
Vote: Dathydra

 

[Asdioh]

As I told Gheb, we're kind of stuck in that department. Come on, we've been playing long enough to know better than to not vote if we have the option.

To be honest, if it wasn't an issue, we'd be voting RR right now. Otherwise, we've been suspicious enough Hida and DH to have voted in another game. Really, just watch the FOS's - some are pressure or notes for later, those three (RR, Hida, DH) are serious.

Can you explained the underlined? I don't really understand what that's saying. What's the issue, and what's the other game stuff you're talking about?

I'll have to look over your FOSes because I don't really remember. Again, the problems with playing a game with a bunch of unfamiliar people x_x

 

[smarboy69]

If we could, we'd be voting RR. If we could, we would have voted Hida and DH earlier in the game. That's all you're getting out of me.

 

[RoxPSI]

Asdioh, Gheb pointed this out EXTREMELY early in game about Smarboy's votes.

:|

 

[smarboy69]

I think I even pointed out the fact that Gheb called me on it early in the game.

Methinks Asdioh is rolefishing. RR's still the play, though.

Speaking of RR, I see you. Have you decided who you're analyzing yet?

 

[smarboy69]

and Asdioh, what do you think of RoxPSI?

 

[Asdioh]

Asdioh, Gheb pointed this out EXTREMELY early in game about Smarboy's votes.

:|

dammit i completely forgot about that. Sorry.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

@Asdioh: answer my #691.

RR, you have to do more than look at two of the most controversial players and say "Hey, they're scum!".

What do you think of Hydra? What do you think of the people on his wagon? What do you think of the claim?

Pick one player who is NOT {dathydra, soupa, hida}. What is your read on that player, and why? I expect at least five sentences.

Hydra is looking more town to me right now until he responds more. His claim and play are more consistent with how Kuzi has played, meta I know but with Kuzi I think I can go with it, still it concerns me how he is playing in some areas like Kuzi usually does for me. When Kuzi goes for a person he goes in hard and sticks with his claim as a semi-fact. He has done this, the problem is his inconsistent behavior. He is making claims that are jumping around with people, from town to another feeling in short time spans. Then there is part of him playing with his Hydra as an excuse to not post content for a bit, that irks me.

I think there is a good reason to be on his case, but he is not the play for today. His claim is being outed for being weak enough to live a day, that's fine I've seen one shot roles before given to town. The problem with people on his claim and the people on it is that they want to lynch him based on this alone, this I don't agree with. We should be looking at that as part of it of course but some people think his claim is too weak to matter, if that is the case if he claimed VT he would be an auto lynch, lol. I think there are others more worthy of a lynch today, Soup & Hida, that and I want to test his claim. If we have a choice between people I think we should consider this one and think if it is worth seeing his role, granted it is a weak and easily to claim no result, but I'm curious as to other factors like who he targets, why he did, if he got a result or not. That I want to see.

Tandora, I'm not liking some of his play but he leans more town to me. Hydra is not looking town to me, reason I don't have a vote on hydra is because I feel like there are others more worthy of a vote like Hida, his unvote is because I'm looking for an answer to a few things before I go for a final vote for today.

Noe back to Tandora, first off there is the contradiction of sorts, if he though someone was town, why would he not unvote him? That would be something I would do always and consider when playing mafia. I don't like how that came off, but the rest of his posts more recently solidify him trying to make claims about Hydra that I agree with, we are trying to out someone because we feel like his claim is a weak PR role. He is asking more questions and looking for more legitimate angles at approaching Hydra, that is town behavior to me. He's not just looking at the role, he's also considering the answers Hydra is giving.

Well, that statement certainly gave me the impression that you didn't care about the game.

Which player are you going to talk about?

I'm saying people are more important, not that I didn't want to play.

Anyone who isn't scum or is like me as a player more important.

 

[Purple]

No one is on the wagon because of his claim RR.

Oh my god.

 

[JTB]

Hydra is looking more town to me right now until he responds more.



Hydra is not looking town to me

what .

 

[smarboy69]

Why is Hida a better play than DH?

 

[Asdioh]

I've felt Red Ryu was scummy for most of this game. He has not contributed anything worthwhile. He has lurked ... wtf, just read what he's said.

My biggest problem with him is that I think he's scum, but I also think Hida's scum, and RR just voted for Hida. Now what? ._.

Red Ryu, giving stances on who you think is scum is more useful than saying nothing, and also more useful than saying who you think is town (I learned this in my second game)

Why are you flipping so suddenly on me though?

In 2 hours you go from scum to town. How did I convince you or what specifically made you think I was dumb town over scum?

I already explained. You've been lurking and posting fluff without taking solid stances. I am in no way completely convinced that you're town, but your recent posts seemed less like "lurking scum" and more like "apathetic something"

You would still be a good lynch choice but you aren't defending yourself for crap so it could likely lead to a completely pointless mislynch if you are apathetic town.

 

[Asdioh]

and Asdioh, what do you think of RoxPSI?

I wish I knew. It has been DatHydra vs RoxPSI lately with both of them making pretty good cases against each other, and I'm not sure I'm convinced if either of them is scum. If I were forced to vote for one of them right now, it would probably be DatHydra. I hope that answers your question.


But Hida is still scummier than both of them.

 

[Asdioh]

what .

Yeah this is basically my response to reading that post as well.

 

[RoxPSI]

Good job Glyph, look at the thread and leave.

Red Ryu, explain that slip up.

 

[JTB]

RoxPSI, what advantages do you see from lynching DH over RR?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

No one is on the wagon because of his claim RR.

Oh my god.

Then why did you vote him?

what .

I'm conflicted, he town until I see more. But most of his contracting play makes him look scum, his claim and meta make me lean town, for now.

I want to see more until I say anything on him. Until then I view him as town, a lynch can happen depending on what he says though, because I will flip him to scum read if I see crap from him.

Also Thx for ignoring the rest of it.

Why is Hida a better play than DH?

He's dumb town and grasping at straws for lynches, which is far worse than Hydra's stuff. He has a few OMGUS moments around looking at some posts. Then there was his stance on wanting to Lynch Radium based on his posts being pictures instead of words, that I felt like wasn't worthy of a lynch at all. His cases are weak and seem to be slightly masking himself as town. I feel like I am doing the same but his are a lot more noticeable compared to other including myself.

His cases seem weak or are attacking really nit picky or odd things sometimes that don't really lead well. Hydra pulling his stance being a Hydra I can understand that, his one like RoxPSI telling me to be more active not so much.

I already explained. You've been lurking and posting fluff without taking solid stances. I am in no way completely convinced that you're town, but your recent posts seemed less like "lurking scum" and more like "apathetic something"

You would still be a good lynch choice but you aren't defending yourself for crap so it could likely lead to a completely pointless mislynch if you are apathetic town.

Why are you saying this and doing it yourself, when you did go for one or the other you said be or Hida could be scum but not both, then change it to me being more likely to being town 2 hours later.

Then you say that you can't decide on my alignment but say, "screw it we can lynch him" Your not convinced about me and your fine with lynching me.

That doesn't make sense. Lynch me if you think I am scum, not because I am confusing or bad town.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Meant dumb Scum with Hida. :/

I need to proofread more. >_<

 

[RoxPSI]

RoxPSI, what advantages do you see from lynching DH over RR?

After this.

Then why did you vote him?

Among other things already stated, absolutely none.

Red Ryu clearly is only out for his own self-preservation, going as far to not even read anything JUST posted by anyone else.

You have -GOT- to be kidding me!

unvote
Vote: Red Ryu

 

[RoxPSI]

But even outside of that, from my perspective there's no particular advantage towards lynching either or. I mean, you lynch scum or you lynch scum? What kind of advantage is there supposed to be? Can I ask what information this question was supposed to bring?

-Roxy

 

[Asdioh]

I'm not going to lie. I don't even know what to think at this point.

I can say, however, that I'd like to see thoughts on what's transpired from Glyph, Tandora, Gheb, and pretty much everyone :3

 

[JTB]

Actually, the question is kinda moot right now since RR is posting more and more.

But what I was trying to get at is it seems more beneficial to keep an active poster for now (even if he is scum) for future content than keep RR, whom I believed from his previous posts, was going to continue to play anti-town and provide nothing.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

EBWOP

unvote
Vote: Dathydra

Why did you do this in the first place?

You said no one was following DH because of his claim, but you voted on him, explain this.