Dissidia Mafia: Over Serial Killer Wiins! ~ Told you $#!* got real!

[DatHydra]

well..you are, but..it's pretty obvious that you shouldn't claim your role unless you have something that actually benefits town; you are just claiming to save yourself FMPOV.


Right. So either I

don't claim: My role can't be used and one less town player.
claim:My role can potentially be used and a town player stays.

Yeah, that seems like a legit reason to claim. I thought a lynch while I was away was entirely plausible.

Soup, I didn't like that post because I didn't feel my post was "non-chalant", as I said I felt all previous conversation was "non-chalant".

If you honestly want an explanation as to why I thought you were town I'll happily explain it later. Your recent reveal that you were in fact just playing noob was... odd. I haven't had a chance to talk to my partner Kuz about how we feel about you now. I remain town though.


I realise I have been inactive today. I apologise. The library is closing now, but I'll have a bunch of content for you guys tommorow.

 

[Asdioh]

Did a bit of rereading again.

I only shoot if i have hard evidence of scum, if i were a vigil.

Right now, it's looking..
60/50 Hydra
10/50 Gheb
30/50 Radical
40/50 Hida
45/50 Asdioh
5/50 RoxPSI

50/50 for the rest.

Hydra is still in my gut feeling, i have FOS'ed Asdioh, and i have unvoted him, but he needed to get off me so i unvoted, besides, i have enough information by now.

What the hell do those numbers mean?

I'm still wondering tbh.

Why do you suddenly feel better about him? What has he done?

This was Dhydra asking RoxPSI why RoxPSI felt better about Hida, which RoxPSI really didn't answer.

Right, I'll be heading off now, library is closing.

I'll be back in around 6-8 hours hopefully. However, I'm uncertain I'll be around that long.

If I'm lynched before I get back:

Focus on the inactives please. Red Ryu, Glyph etc.

Push Hida.

Gheb Town, Smargboy Town. Soup Town.

RoxPSI scum, Hida scum.

And I'll claim.

Town Aligned One-Shot Watcher - Tidus.

Just quoting for great justice

@Rox

My issue with Hida is this.

He's played incredibly safe. He's asked for stances, and he only takes things that are considered the common feel amongst players.

Ignoring his bit on RF, he says Gheb town, I'm scum. Both of these are incredibly safe. If either player flips the opposite faction, he has little if anything pointing to him.

His case on me involves taking a RVS vote seriously (which he can claim was just noobtown), and half the things he calls me out for, he explicitly states he's doing himself. Hydra's second post contained no content, Hida admits that he's lacking in content. Hydra's use of newb defence is scummy, even though Hida states he has done the same. If he's using these to claim I'm scum, surely they equally apply to himself?

Then there's his ridiculous claim "You can pretty much clear Tandora since she voted against me." He can easily just pass this as him being a noob.


You might believe that my claim was safe, and that I haven't conversed enough with other players. But do you honestly believe that my play has been safer than Hida's?

A good point on Hida. I'm starting to lean toward thinking Hydra is Town.


Tandora's #661

Assume for the moment Tandora is scum and DatHydra is Tidus, Town One-shot Watcher. In one post, she asks Hydra to tell if he has more PRs than just watcher, and also who he would target with it. Ridiculously useful info for her if she's scum. She's also willing to not have him mislynched because it would look good for her if he turns out to be what he's saying, and she has confidence that he won't Watch the same person her faction nightkills, or they simply nightkill DatHydra. Agreed?

FoS: Tandora because of this, if nothing else.

Regarding Red Ryu:

There's a lot of outrage over his posts and I don't quite understand why. Claiming that he's being useless doesn't hold any merit at this point and I don't see what's wrong with his actions or with what he said. How is his vote @ hida not legitimate? I will confirm my suspicion what Rox' is the play toDay in one of my following posts because of his behavior towards Ryu.

All in all, I've seen very little concrete accusations towards him other than him being "useless". Even if we ignored that fact that this isn't even true anymore it still leaves the question how he is more useless than Glyph is; just to name an example. If I took a closer look at all players' posts so far I'm pretty sure I could also find ways to make other people look useless if I really wanted to. And that's how it currently look like - people are saying Ryu is useless but he's given us a lot of stances now and his vote is not unjustified. That looks more like looking for a scapegoat than hunting for scum.

I often find myself agreeing with Gheb's posts, and I'm hoping that's a good thing x_x
After rereading, I don't think what Red Ryu's been posting has been awful, but that he jumped in at a pretty bad time.

If I make a vote, I personally consider it, "I am sure that I am fine with lynching this person over everyone else today."

So while I can go

Vote: hidajiremi

It shows what I am supporting very clearly, however I

Unvote

When I want to consider others when something changes. This is why I don't always have my vote on someone unless it gets closer to the end of the day.

I'm also waiting on responses so I'm holding onto my vote for the moment.

just going to note that when Red Ryu was my scumbuddy, his votes were all over the place on Day 1, with whoever seemed like an easy bandwagon. He's not doing that in this game.

Asidoh,

How do you feel about Tandora's last few posts?/Would you be willing to jump on her wagon with me?

Do you have a wagon on her, or are you proposing starting one? After rereading, my thoughts on you went from null to pro-town. (inb4 this looks scummy because Tandora associated us as both potential scum, presumably because of "bandwagon" on hida)

I need to revise my opinion about RR. The following post put up a big red flag for me:



Bolded for emphasis. RR says that he's doing the same stuff as I am, but that his efforts are somehow town while mine are scum. He's attempting to defend DH and shift guilt toward me at the same time. It's a ridiculous stance presented as boldly as possible in order to seem reasonable. "He does the same stuff as me... but his stuff is worse!" If you say it enough times, maybe people will believe it.

More opinions later, after I've had a chance to grab some food, but for now:

Unvote
Vote: RedRyu

You do bring up a good point... "Hida's playing poorly, and so am I but I'm lurking harder so it's less noticeable!"
However I think by this point he's given more stances than you. Stances that make sense to me.


GLYPH WHERE ARE YOU


@JTB: thoughts on me? this is secretly my way of saying that I currently don't know what to think about you


Since my post was kind of long and my thoughts are all over the place:

-My vote is still on Hida.
-RoxPSI is looking suspicious.
-Tandora's said some things that I really don't like.
-Glyph's ... inactive.

 

[RoxPSI]

I remember saying that hida is putting an effort to scumhunt while someone else was not, it is possible that I did not directly answer hydra, but I know I openly stated how I felt about hida.

Asdioh, stop doing a bit of re reading and do a lot of it. Read my post on hydra and his recent response, does his defense do justice? It of bad that you agree w with everything, you've been constantly back and forth, only following statements if someone says it first, and agreeing with everything a lesson with momentum says. Grow a spine and think deeper

-Roxy

 

[Asdioh]

"a bit" meaning from page 11 (40 posts per page) to the current page 20.

I have been back and forth on a few players, which is pretty normal especially for Day 1, but I've been consistent on Hida this whole time. His posts were basically weak, and lacking in content, then he posted against Rfiction in a manner that I strongly disagreed with, which caused me to vote for him and keep my eye on him afterwards, and since then he has done nothing to convince me to unvote.

Yes, DatHydra's defense is satisfactory. I don't think he was tunneling Soup too hard in the beginning or anything like that.

You feel that Hida is town, correct?

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch!

[0] Glyph:
[0] Tandora:
[0] Soupamario:
[1] DatHydra: Soupamario,
[1] hidajiremi: Asdioh,
[0] Vult Redux:
[3] RoxPSI: Vult Redux, Gheb_01, DatHydra,
[1] Asdioh: Tandora,
[3] Red Ryu: JTB, RoxPSI, hidajiremi,
[0] smarboy69:
[0] RadicalFiction:
[1] JTB: RadicalFiction,
[0] Gheb_01:
[0] No Lynch:

Not voting: Glyph, Red Ryu, smarboy69,

 

[JTB]

Unvote Vote JTB

@JTB

Am I scum?
Is Tandora scum?
Is Soupa town?
Who looks worse, RR or Asdioh?

Voting me just to get an opinion out of me?

RF - Town

Tandora - Leaning scum, the whole "let's keep DH alive to test his claim" is flawed for reasons already posted, asking DH is he has other abilities is odd. However, I think there are bigger plays right now, so I'm not focusing on her as much. If she begins to appear more scummy to me, then I'll take a stronger stance on her.

Soupa - Leaning scum as well. I don't have enough time at this moment to go back and nitpick all the posts that make me think so, but I'm leaning scum for sure. The whole "fence-sitting' comment is pretty scummy as well, he should be taking his own stances, not waiting to see what other people post.

RR vs Asdioh - RR is definitely looking worse, but that doesn't mean I have my doubts on Asdioh. RR has clearly been skimming alot of posts, as evident in

Noe back to Tandora, first off there is the contradiction of sorts, if he though someone was town, why would he not unvote him?

Skimming. When I call him out on it, he posts

(Tandora) changed his mind, like (Tandora) explained, and (Tandora) clarified why.

Going back and reviewing the situation doesn't excuse you from skimming it in the first place.

And there's also this, in the same post

The problem with people on (DH's) claim and the people on it is that they want to lynch him based on this alone, this I don't agree with.

Roxy has stated, OVER AND OVER, that they are NOT lynching him because of his claim, that only ADDED to their previous case on him. Skimming once again.

I also could've sworn that he agreed with Tandora on letting DH live and post his results the next day, but I can't find the post anywhere.

However, I can agree with RR on one thing: Asdioh's flipflopping. He goes from his own stance of thinking that RR is scummy, to agreeing with my anti-town stance of him, to agreeing with Gheb that RR's posts are understandable. And this happened in such a short time, what's going on Asdioh? You need to take your own stance on the situation and stick with it instead of just agreeing with other people's arguments.

 

[JTB]

also

FoS Glyph

Where you at? You even posted yesterday that we can expect a post from you soon, but we have yet to see anything.

 

[JTB]

unless your definition of soon is

http://www.wowwiki.com/Soon

 

[smarboy69]

Both sides of this hydra have V/LA status:

Smargaret for the weekend,

and Gordito for sunday-wednesday max.

 

[Vult Redux]

V/LA until Sunday evening.

 

[RoxPSI]

I SEE YUO HIDA. READ IT


REAAD IIIIIIIIT

-Roxy
:202

 

[RoxPSI]

 

[Tandora]

Announcing a short V/LA until Sunday. Gheb, I will definitely answer your questions.

I had no time online today and I'm gonna be out of town all day Saturday for an expo.

 

[RoxPSI]

*looks at clock* it's 10:45.

Where are you hida.

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

Lets get right down to it.

vote: RoxPSI

During my little mafia-catch-up, I read over a handful of RoxPSI's posts that sent my scum sense a'tinglin like no ones business. Some people have replied to them, but no one really commented on what I was concerned with. Lets start with this little interaction:

@mod: request votecount


@RoxPSI: if DatHydra were lynched and turned out to be Tidus, Town One-shot Watcher, would you agree that would make you look pretty damn scummy?

But I'm not scum though.

Right off the bat, things are looking odd to me.

If RoxPSI were town, I would have expected an answer along the lines of "No it would not make me look scummy, and here's why" or "yes it would make me look scummy, but here's why it shouldn't be enough to kill me"

Instead, we get "I'm not scum, and here's why." Now I'm sure someone is going to read this, mentally note that Glyph is bad at mafia, and move on their merry way. But you're not considering MOTIVE. Why would rPSI lead off his defense with such a phrase if he were town? Oh, and that question was quoted in the post, meaning I won't be buying a "I just misread the question" defense.

It would be an error on in my part to have thought that he was town, but I'm not just going to sheep behind someone else. Wouldn't you say that if player X were on the wagon with us and Hydra flipped Town One-shot Watcher that player X would also look scummy? Because you know, I don't control who gets lynched in this game. The majority of town does. Note that I am not controling town, but simply making my thoughts about DatHydra clear rather than pushing his lynch.

I get the feeling that you're going through a lot of trouble to stress that this lynch won't make you look bad if it turns up sour. Except it would, and that's the risk you assume when you vote for someone. Your case against them should be reason enough to keep you safe...right?

If people agree with me and elaborate on it, great. If people disagree with me and say why, that is great. We need these opinions and motivations out on the field so we can evaluate this game and determine people's alignments.

Laying out the basic premise of a mafia game sounds town, but it feels tacked on here.

Oh, and its also not a town thing to do in a game like this where everyone clearly at least gets the ropes. (Cept maybe RR but I'll comment on that later)

I'm also not pushing this lynch as hard as everyone may think I'm "pushing" the lynch.

"Oh don't mind me I don't really care much if the person I'm voting for lives or dies! The important thing here is that you don't trace the lynch back to me because I wasn't pushing it very hard."

If you look at when I posted the comic, it was people attacking my comic saying that "that's not true." Is it wrong for me to defend my posts and thoughts.

Only if they're wrong!

A lot of people

I would like to know what you planned to say here.

@Gheb - you seem you think that me stating that his claim is scummy is in terrible logic. In normal circumstances, I would agree with this. However, me and Roxy both feel that in the context of the claim, combined with our personal thoughts on DatHydra makes it seem like a scum claim to us.
I'm also pretty annoyed at people who are attacking us rather than our basis behind our vote. Stop trying to make our case go away via attacking the Ethos of the argument, but rather prove through Logos that our argument is bad.

-rPSI

And I actually feel like Gheb did a nice job with this last paragraph here, so I'm going to move on to the next thing I found odd.

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12296227&postcount=685

Gee, awful helpful of ya mister! You want to know what I think is going on with this post? You saw a chance to get RR killed, and you build your "own" case against him by cobbling together other people's arguments and peppering the post with comments about what the posts are doing.


Lets lynch RoxPSI today.




Now the other major thing that happened was this whole RR fiasco of straight up refusing to give information.

Red Ryu, listen, I've looked over the interactions you've had during the course of the game and I wouldn't blame you if you were a bit pissed off. But if you truly are town, you've got to give us something to work with. Some scum picks with some support would be a great start.

also

FoS Glyph

Where you at? You even posted yesterday that we can expect a post from you soon, but we have yet to see anything.

unless your definition of soon is

http://www.wowwiki.com/Soon

I'm going to use you as a blanket to cover all the posts in regards to my activity. I had school and I put that above mafia. I'm on spring break now so I should be significantly better as far as posting goes (when I'm sober awwwwwww yeeeeee).

As a more direct reply to JTB, really man? Soon may not mean 10 minutes later, and in the grand scope of mafia games 24 hours is not exactly unheard of.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I listed my scum picks already, a few times for some people with support, like Hida.

Anyways umm guess I gotta wait till tomorrow for a full post. :/

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

Any comments on the post I just made?

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Glyph, I still think it's much easier and more effective to hunt scum if you summarize your issues with Rox' into 2 or 3 general arguments that illustrate how he's scum. It's the same thing that bothers me about how Rox' made his cases this game and why I'm convinced that responding to every little bit will turn out pointless. I'd rather have two clear arguments that gets to the point quickly than long politician-like paragraphs where the meaning is lost halfway through the post. Coupled with your lack of input earlier and how you now suddenly appear out of nowhere with a huge case on one of the people who gets the most flak right now anyway I can't say you're giving me a pro-town vibe.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

As far as activity goes I'd like to remind everybody that the deadline for toDay is on Wednesday and a couple of people have announced that they'll be V/LA over the weekend. There's a good chance that I myself will not get to post as I'm at a smashfest today and I will meet friends on my birthday weekend.

With that in mind getting an idea on how we want to conclude the Day would not be bad at this point, especially with the large amount of input we had so far.
My preferred lynches at this point would be either RoxPSI or Glyph. I can compromise about lynching hidajiremi and Vult Redux as well. Tandora is a possibility that depends on her answers to my questions.

 

[JTB]

As a more direct reply to JTB, really man? Soon may not mean 10 minutes later, and in the grand scope of mafia games 24 hours is not exactly unheard of.

Muh bad, I've just been really anxious to see your thoughts on what's going on, no hard feelings

 

[DatHydra]

Just to throw in my thoughts on Red Ryu.

I think the reason for him being called out wasn't great in the first place. He hasn't been very active, but reading through his earlier posts I don't feel like he was doing nothing.

His response however... urgh.

The image responses were dumb, but to be fair he doesn't use them to actually address arguments against him.

If you read his posts he makes a good defence (states his top two scumreads, states he's already made stances on players etc.) and the later posts generally improve in quality.

There's just lots of small details that are really urksome. Things like "Enjoy your mislynch.", "I'm not important in this game either way, I guess." and "Everyone else is more important so who cares." really does not make you look good.

I don't get a good feel from his posts, but in terms of pure information, I feel his defence is good.

I'll take logic and data over gut reads and "feelings".

Really, i'm gonna just say this, but why did you guys have a bias on me when i posted this?

Previously stated reason, and because you were being pretty aggressive towards me for nothing.

"also, i see so many people lurking, waiting for the right chance to strike at someone.. *COUGH* KUZ *COUGH*"

Calling us out on not posting in the first 3 hours.

"perhaps this will provoke you more to actually say stuff besides non-chalant crap."

I initially respond in a neutral manner, and your responses still remain aggressive. Things like "duh." and "Nope again" just immediately dismiss my responses as dumb.

Kuz felt like you were taking a needlessly aggressive tone. He was just like "aaw hell naw", and decided to play hardball. That's when our responses became more aggressive.

why didn't you say I WAS tunneling?
was it because i was 'inexperienced'?

Yeah, I didn't say you were tunneling because I felt you were inexperienced.

why do you guys still keep the town tab on me?

After you revealed that you were faking noobtown?

I feel like if you were scum, revealling that you were faking it would make no sense. You could easily fake noobtown all game as scum and get away with it. Revealling your tactic seemed like a town thing to do.

You remain town for now. However, by making everything before your reveal nullified, that's not too concrete.

did you guys only BW after i stated i was playing noobtown?

Not sure what you meant by this question, sorry.

if someone were to vote me (pre-stating that i had not made this post) would you consider them scum?

Not just for voting you, no. I'd have to see the case they present, your defence etc. before I could make that call.
[/quote]

 

[hidajiremi]

Meant to get to this last night, but wound up getting held over and busy until I went to bed. Looks like work is going to be busier than usual today, so I'm going to have to V/LA until Sunday night. Sorry, guys.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Anyone else uncomfortable with Hida's CONSTANT V/LA's?

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

Glyph, I still think it's much easier and more effective to hunt scum if you summarize your issues with Rox' into 2 or 3 general arguments that illustrate how he's scum. It's the same thing that bothers me about how Rox' made his cases this game and why I'm convinced that responding to every little bit will turn out pointless. I'd rather have two clear arguments that gets to the point quickly than long politician-like paragraphs where the meaning is lost halfway through the post. Coupled with your lack of input earlier and how you now suddenly appear out of nowhere with a huge case on one of the people who gets the most flak right now anyway I can't say you're giving me a pro-town vibe.

Have I not made it clear that I didn't exactly have time for this game before now? How is it giving you weird vibes that when I came back, I made a "huge case" against RoxPSI? I've read a lot of mafia, and that post was certainly not the even close to the biggest, and everything I said in it had a purpose (not to mention these are points that haven't been considered yet).

Like seriously, would you have preferred I came back and just said "Okay I'm back guys! Are we still playing mafia?"

As far as activity goes I'd like to remind everybody that the deadline for toDay is on Wednesday and a couple of people have announced that they'll be V/LA over the weekend. There's a good chance that I myself will not get to post as I'm at a smashfest today and I will meet friends on my birthday weekend.

With that in mind getting an idea on how we want to conclude the Day would not be bad at this point, especially with the large amount of input we had so far.
My preferred lynches at this point would be either RoxPSI or Glyph. I can compromise about lynching hidajiremi and Vult Redux as well. Tandora is a possibility that depends on her answers to my questions.

So your problems with me are:

-I was inactive
-I made a "big" post on a player who was already being looked at for a lynch

And that puts me at the top of your To-Kill list?

Gheb I honestly thought better of you.

To summarize, that post wasn't that long, everything I said in it was in it for a reason (IE I'm not omitting information for your reading convenience), and I was inactive due to school but now I'm back.

Muh bad, I've just been really anxious to see your thoughts on what's going on, no hard feelings

Don't sweat it man, I know how mafia gets

 

[smarboy69]

Making a long case:

- makes it hard for your target to respond. It serves no pro-town purpose whatsoever.
- impresses lazy and superficial players. Looking at things from a negative, you should assume the worst play of your fellow townies so some people my be persuaded by big but empty words.
- often serves to scare the target. The poster had ample time to make the case but the target is expected to make an instant answer. This is a HUGE reason why people should be MUCH more empathetic with the targets, listen to responses more and ALWAYS scrutinize these cases [look if quotes were taken out of context or if the poster is guilty of selective reading to make his case look bigger than it actually is].
- could usually be simplified without forfeiting the core message, making it easier to respond to and thus more constructive.

If you are town and you want to find scum, do you think randomly making a huge case out of nowhere is going to help you? If you have a bad feeling about somebody or a particular post bothers you you're always responding as soon as you see it. A case built on solid logic comes step by step and doesn't need long, complicated explanation.

Edit: Note that in your example, tHE-Man was scum that game.

FoS Glyph

@Gheb idk whether or not to assume you think Red Ryu is town because I haven't seen you talk jack s*** about it or if that's me skimmin. But talk about Red Ryu for a sec. Is this scummy, or is the scumminess of it lessened cuz your lynch candidate RoxPSI is openly against Red Ryu? I'll take it back if I reread and see you discussed it.

This game's finally getting fun.

 

[smarboy69]

Man I've used that TWICE already :D. Such a good quote.

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

My post is an analysis of TWO posts. I'm honestly shocked that you're considering that scummy.

 

[smarboy69]

That's not what makes your post scummy.

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

So what is then.

 

[smarboy69]

I'll explain in more detail when I get back home, but it's the environment of the case, and way the case was presented.

 

[Asdioh]

Glyph, I still think it's much easier and more effective to hunt scum if you summarize your issues with Rox' into 2 or 3 general arguments that illustrate how he's scum.

I'll keep this in mind for myself in the future so I don't make long posts where I lose even myself in them.

My preferred lynches at this point would be either RoxPSI or Glyph. I can compromise about lynching hidajiremi and Vult Redux as well. Tandora is a possibility that depends on her answers to my questions.

What are your thoughts on Vult? He's the least scummy of the five, from my point of view.

Anyone else uncomfortable with Hida's CONSTANT V/LA's?

No, I'm uncomfortable with his lack of content, stances, and defense.

To summarize, that post wasn't that long, everything I said in it was in it for a reason (IE I'm not omitting information for your reading convenience), and I was inactive due to school but now I'm back.

Glyph's post really wasn't all that long, and considering his inactivity, anything less would have been called out as being scummy as well. I look forward to more activity, Glyph current read on you is null.

 

[JTB]

Seeing the amount of V/LAs, obviously there won't be a lynch until monday at the very least. I'm firmly believe RR is the play of the day, although I don't mind jumping on the RoxPSI bandwagon if I see that RR isn't going to happen.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I feel like Glyph made himself more active to not warrent a lynch. As long as he stays like this.

RoxPSI I don't think he is worth lynching at least not today. I'm not sure if he is scapegaoting me like Gheb says although I agree that his stances on me are bogus. Still it looks like scum hunting or at least if it is bogus there are others who llok far less legit. Like JTB.

JTB on the other hand seems less about putting forth his own ideas and is riding others claims and ideas. For him and Rox I noticed he seemed more likely to let Rox do the work for him while he just said, ur scum. On the sidelines. He has taken some side quotes off of me but he doesn't address them, he could go into context but chooses not to. When he is posed a question he puts forth effort other wise he doesn't put forth himself on his own ideas.

 

[JTB]

How about you provide examples for your argument? Or do you want someone else to do all the work while you watch from the sidelines?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Could have asked the same about you.

Also on phone so multi quoting is a no go atm.

 

[JTB]

Asked the same of me to invalidate your argument? I don't see why I need to defend myself against yourself when you don't provide evidence.

 

[smarboy69]

@JTB

You think Red Ryu v RoxPSI can be SvS?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Asked the same of me to invalidate your argument? I don't see why I need to defend myself against yourself when you don't provide evidence.

You obviously are blind, said I'm on my phone so I can't right now. But if you could read youb would have noticed that.

 

[RoxPSI]

Sooo... apparently, when I asked Roxy to unvote Ryu since I would be away for a while, he thought I said I was going to since he was going to be away for a while.

We're happy with Ryu right now, he's not going to be today's play.

Unvote

I definitely want to see Ryu's case on JTB when he gets the chance (but he's on mobile right now, so not ATM).

-rPSI

 

[JTB]

@JTB

You think Red Ryu v RoxPSI can be SvS?

I don't believe scum would be pushing to bus one of their own during D1, so I'm leaning towards Indy vs Scum.

You obviously are blind, said I'm on my phone so I can't right now. But if you could read youb would have noticed that.

I did read your response, I was explaning why I didn't need to defend myself.

Another thing, if you knew that you wouldn't be able to formulate an argument with evidence while you were on your phone....why even post it? By posting it preemptively, it suggests exactly what I stated above, you just wanted to throw out opinion and hope someone followed up on it.