Dissidia Mafia: Over Serial Killer Wiins! ~ Told you $#!* got real!

[JTB]

*throw out your opinion*

 

[rPSIvysaur]

Is there a problem knowing where his stance lies?

 

[JTB]

There isn't normally, but the way he presented it just doesn't seem right.

He claims that I ride other people's arguments and don't come up with my own. But by doing this preemptively, he's setting himself up to do the same exact thing. If someone else follows up on his claim, we never know if he had an argument or if he was just trying to shift suspicion to me. All he has to do is agree with whomever put forth examples to provide for his argument.

Granted, as long as no one posts anything about it, he can go ahead and bring forth the evidence he might or might not have. But by throwing that suspicion on me without any evidence, he is able to instill doubt in people's stances on me. And of course, already having 3 votes on him (at the moment when he posted), this is something that someone who was anti-town would do.

 

[JTB]

And theoretically, wouldn't this argument alone disprove the argument that I don't provide fresh arguments?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

JTB is funny, when PSI calls him on calling me out for being on a mobile he changes his stance of what is wrong.

First he says why bother posting, then he says there is nothing wrong with posting a stance. Me doing the same since when have you had heat last 5 pages where me, ROXpsi, hydra and Hida.

Then he tries to call it anti town because I have votes on me.

Man JTB you really like to make my case before I get to a comp don't you?

 

[JTB]

....

Assumptions much?

Just because I didn't state that your actions were anti-town at first doesn't mean that I didn't believe so at the time. I even stated earlier

"I firmly believe that RR is the play of the day."

Also, please explain this, I think you might have messed it up while typing on your phone because I have no idea what this means.

Me doing the same since when have you had heat last 5 pages where me, ROXpsi, hydra and Hida.

 

[RoxPSI]

JTB, why do you believe that RR is the play of the day?

-rPSI

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch!

[0] Glyph:
[0] Tandora:
[0] Soupamario:
[1] DatHydra: Soupamario,
[1] hidajiremi: Asdioh,
[0] Vult Redux:
[4] RoxPSI: Vult Redux, Gheb_01, DatHydra, Glyph,
[1] Asdioh: Tandora,
[2] Red Ryu: JTB, hidajiremi,
[0] smarboy69:
[0] RadicalFiction:
[1] JTB: RadicalFiction,
[0] Gheb_01:
[0] No Lynch:

Not voting: RoxPSI, Red Ryu, smarboy69,

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

You have had little to no heat for the past 5 pages compared to others. Your saying I ride people yet I'm looking at someone was has not had heat recently. Explain how that is riding someone.

Your response to me making that post is that I have 3 votes on me therefore anti-town. Your saying having votes is instant scum which is dumb if you spent a second to think about it.

Seems less likely you want me to be lynched for legit reasons and more to get others to jump on by dropping the anti-town word.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

I like you RR. Why didn't you play more aggressively earlier?

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

Hydra account.

 

[RoxPSI]

JTB, why do you believe that RR is the play of the day?

-rPSI

Actually, don't answer this. I want to see RR get on you, rather than myself.

-rPSI

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

RoxPSI, do you not have a response to the post I made on you?

 

[RoxPSI]

I need to consult with Roxy, I haven't been around most of the actual day. Probably tomorrow.

-rPSI

 

[JTB]

You have had little to no heat for the past 5 pages compared to others. Your saying I ride people yet I'm looking at someone was has not had heat recently. Explain how that is riding someone.

Wrong. I never said you ride people, I said you were setting yourself up for a potential situation in which you could.

Your response to me making that post is that I have 3 votes on me therefore anti-town. Your saying having votes is instant scum which is dumb if you spent a second to think about it.

Wrong again. Once again, my main problem with you is posting your argument preemptively, giving other people a chance to come up with their own examples to explain your stance. You having three votes on you just further leads me to believe you are anti-town, but is not the basis of my argument.

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

I need to consult with Roxy, I haven't been around most of the actual day. Probably tomorrow.

-rPSI

Both posts I referenced were signed by you, why would you need to talk to Roxy about something you've already open taken a stance on?

 

[Purple]

Because regardless of whether or not he signed it, it's our thoughts together. I've been on that marvel and my computer has been getting updated, responding tomorrow

-Roxy

 

[Swiss]

Mad far behind. Will catch up ASAP.

 

[Swiss]

 

[RoxPSI]

Gheb and friends vs the evil RoxPSI

that's about it.

Content after work

 

[Swiss]

Roxy, full thoughts on Gheb and others on your wagon?

 

[RoxPSI]

Roxy, full thoughts on Gheb and others on your wagon?

Gheb and friends vs the evil RoxPSI

that's about it.

Content after work

I'll make sure to add that.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Alright, since the smashfest and most of "social obligations" regarding my birthday are behind me I will respond to things now ...

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I like you RR. Why didn't you play more aggressively earlier?

Dunno I guess I'm being more aggressive now that I see something.

Wrong. I never said you ride people, I said you were setting yourself up for a potential situation in which you could.

Woulda, coulda, haven't done this.

Gheb would I think is town could do this as well, anything is possible, but he hasn't so trying to say he could ride someone has no merit to it.

Same with me, your saying I could ride someone, I could, but I haven't used this situation to ride now have I?

I think RoxPSI is town, and your scum, not very liked opinions now are they?

Wrong again. Once again, my main problem with you is posting your argument preemptively, giving other people a chance to come up with their own examples to explain your stance. You having three votes on you just further leads me to believe you are anti-town, but is not the basis of my argument.

So how is this anti-town again, and why does this contradict what you just said? You said me posting stances early is anti-town, then you turn around and tell PSI, it's ok sometimes.

Having votes makes me anti-town? Why. Having votes does not make someone anti-town. That is people saying, "We want you lynch" but the state does not make the person anti-town.

I could vote Gheb and people could jump on, would that make him more anti-town than Soupamario?

So I'll get that post in a sec about you, but so far you have total bogus statements here.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Have I not made it clear that I didn't exactly have time for this game before now? How is it giving you weird vibes that when I came back, I made a "huge case" against RoxPSI? I've read a lot of mafia, and that post was certainly not the even close to the biggest, and everything I said in it had a purpose (not to mention these are points that haven't been considered yet).

I think you're misunderstanding things now. You being inactive covers nowhere near the entirety of my issues with you, although part of it. I'm not disregarding the reason why you have been inactive or what you've been in the meantime.

If everything in that case has had a purpose as you claim then I'm sure you can summarize it ... I've made these kind of requests before but if you are able to summarize the individual points into two or three stronger, more general accusations I'm more inclined to buy that you're actually hunting scum than looking for a scapegoat or a safe, easy lynch for toDay [which I believe you are doing].

So your problems with me are:

-I was inactive
-I made a "big" post on a player who was already being looked at for a lynch

And that puts me at the top of your To-Kill list?

The way you put it obviously it's going to look like a harmless thing. Nobody is going to say "yeah, I'm scummy for playing like this!". Being inactive in itself is obviously not scummy [although anti-town, I'm sure even you wouldn't deny that] and making a longer post on a currently favorite suspect isn't necessarily scummy either [although again, I do consider it anti-town].

But I definitely consider the sum to what it amounts to as scummy enough to consider you a lynch target at this point of the game. It's not that you've been just a little bit inactive and then making a genuine case [in the context of this game it was actually a redundant one] that makes lots of stances and information available to make up for your lack of input earlier. It's more that you've made no new input upon your comeback and took the one of the safest stances possible *after* doing virtually nothing all Day.

Like seriously, would you have preferred I came back and just said "Okay I'm back guys! Are we still playing mafia?"

Gheb I honestly thought better of you.

And remarks like these are really stupid and don't improve the impression I get from you. Playing the "I expect better from you"-cards and snide jokes in order to discredit my arguments rather than taking them seriously are common mafioso charade.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

As far as activity goes I'd like to remind everybody that the deadline for toDay is on Wednesday and a couple of people have announced that they'll be V/LA over the weekend. There's a good chance that I myself will not get to post as I'm at a smashfest today and I will meet friends on my birthday weekend.

With that in mind getting an idea on how we want to conclude the Day would not be bad at this point, especially with the large amount of input we had so far.

I'd still like responses to this post ... the amount of input has decreased due to V/LA announcements from various players and we're approaching the deadline pretty soon. Vote Count is pretty scattered at the moment and I'd rather not squander time and have to scramble for a lynch later.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Ryu, you should probably elaborate on your town read @RoxPSI.

 

[smarboy69]

So Glyph and Rox are scum, Gheb?

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Either one or the other but I think based on their interactions they're probably not scum together .... unless they're busing, which I don't think to happen this early in the game.

 

[smarboy69]

K good. Just making sure.

...

Wait. I'm confused. Which one's scum then? Don't answer if you don't wanna or if it's not important right now. But if you don't answer I'll make sure to ask later on.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Which one's scum then?

Perhaps the one I'm voting at the moment? Use a little common sense - I have no problems helping players and answering questions but I'm not spoonfeeding you something you can clearly see for yourself.

 

[smarboy69]

I said that you didn't have to answer in case you were pressuring or bla bla bla. So you think RoxPSI is scum out of the two. It makes no sense to me how that'd work, because look at HOW Glyph came into the game with that 775 of his. It just seems like, from smarboy's POV, that it was a lazy attempt to hop on a popular wagon by a scum Glyph. And like you said, we don't believe them to be SvS either, cuz that's a laughable bus, esp. with all of the other possible scum candidates.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

I don't see how that's much different from what Rox' has done, smar.

Your 830 also has a skimmy element to it and the same applies to the RR vs JTB debate which looks like pointless arguing over semantics [some of them I feel are misread] more than actual scumhunting. Huge reason why I can hardly even hold the skimming argument against DH at this point and feel like it's not really an actual tell in the light of the new discussion we have.

 

[smarboy69]

Glyph basically started playing the game with that post. and it was intended to side with a popular wagon, RoxPSI. A scum glyph's hopes were to make a big post, and his thoughts were that it "impresses lazy and superficial players", and "to scare the target". Whereas RoxPSI was actually playing the game (he's null to us, we're waiting on what he has to say when he gets back from work). And Glyph's case is a lazy tell. Not a skimmin moar tell.

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

I think you're misunderstanding things now. You being inactive covers nowhere near the entirety of my issues with you, although part of it. I'm not disregarding the reason why you have been inactive or what you've been in the meantime.

Fair enough, can you clarify what the reasons are for me then?

If everything in that case has had a purpose as you claim then I'm sure you can summarize it ... I've made these kind of requests before but if you are able to summarize the individual points into two or three stronger, more general accusations I'm more inclined to buy that you're actually hunting scum than looking for a scapegoat or a safe, easy lynch for toDay [which I believe you are doing].

Sure:

-RoxPSI's posting mentality seems to be deflective, and more concerned with avoiding blame than taking stances.

-His case against RR is little more than a collection of other people's arguments with the occasional comment from him.

I'll be honest I'm not comfortable making a post like that with no support, but my evidence can be found in my #775

The way you put it obviously it's going to look like a harmless thing. Nobody is going to say "yeah, I'm scummy for playing like this!". Being inactive in itself is obviously not scummy [although anti-town, I'm sure even you wouldn't deny that] and making a longer post on a currently favorite suspect isn't necessarily scummy either [although again, I do consider it anti-town].

Yeah, I definitely agree that my inactivity was anti-town, but it was unavoidable. And I would agree with your second point, except that I raised new information and fully justified my vote.

But I definitely consider the sum to what it amounts to as scummy enough to consider you a lynch target at this point of the game. It's not that you've been just a little bit inactive and then making a genuine case [in the context of this game it was actually a redundant one] that makes lots of stances and information available to make up for your lack of input earlier. It's more that you've made no new input upon your comeback and took the one of the safest stances possible *after* doing virtually nothing all Day.

This paragraph irritates me. Yes, my post was on RoxPSI, but that's simply who I found posts on that didn't sit right with me. Had I found issues with you, I would have brought them up instead, but I didn't. I'm certainly not going to hold back simply because other people have suspicions of my candidate.

Also, all the points I made were points that had not previously been made. How are they redundant? Just because other people had different points already against RoxPSI? Is there a limit on points we can have against someone?

And remarks like these are really stupid and don't improve the impression I get from you. Playing the "I expect better from you"-cards and snide jokes in order to discredit my arguments rather than taking them seriously are common mafioso charade.

I will apologize for those parts of the post, I was pretty annoyed that you seemed to be on my *** for making a moderately big post and it showed.

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

I said that you didn't have to answer in case you were pressuring or bla bla bla. So you think RoxPSI is scum out of the two. It makes no sense to me how that'd work, because look at HOW Glyph came into the game with that 775 of his. It just seems like, from smarboy's POV, that it was a lazy attempt to hop on a popular wagon by a scum Glyph. And like you said, we don't believe them to be SvS either, cuz that's a laughable bus, esp. with all of the other possible scum candidates.

Lazy. Really? Do the points I made not have merit? I'm getting tired of repeating that I could not control when I would be able to get back to mafia, and when I did I found posts that struck me as scummy. So I brought them up. Its unfortunate for me that they were made by RoxPSI but I really don't see how that should be considered scummy.

Glyph basically started playing the game with that post. and it was intended to side with a popular wagon, RoxPSI. A scum glyph's hopes were to make a big post, and his thoughts were that it "impresses lazy and superficial players", and "to scare the target". Whereas RoxPSI was actually playing the game (he's null to us, we're waiting on what he has to say when he gets back from work). And Glyph's case is a lazy tell. Not a skimmin moar tell.

Still, not a big post. In fact it is a very average sized post for a case in a mafia game, probably even on the smaller side. I made points, and then I supported them with evidence.

And you again jab at me with the lazy claim. Cool.

 

[JTB]

Same with me, your saying I could ride someone, I could, but I haven't used this situation to ride now have I?

The thing is, you can post this now because I specifically called you on it. By calling you out on it, I tried to force a situation in which no one else would reply (except you) to see if you would follow up on your claim. Unfortunately, RoxPSI failed to see the situation that I created, so he interfered.

So how is this anti-town again, and why does this contradict what you just said? You said me posting stances early is anti-town, then you turn around and tell PSI, it's ok sometimes.

Having votes makes me anti-town? Why. Having votes does not make someone anti-town. That is people saying, "We want you lynch" but the state does not make the person anti-town.

I could vote Gheb and people could jump on, would that make him more anti-town than Soupamario?

I will repeat myself again. I have no problem with you presenting your stance, but I have a problem with the way you did so.[/quote]

So I'll get that post in a sec about you, but so far you have total bogus statements here.

Hours later....

 

[DatHydra]

@Gheb I'll have a list of lynch candidates within 24 hours hopefully. I'm waiting for a response from Kuz for his thoughts and I'm rereading the thread myself.


@Glyph I don't have a problem with your case in particular, but not commenting on anyone else is odd.

Do the stances in this post (#378) still hold true for you?

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

I made a comment on RR, which was pretty much the only other thing going on at the time.

I'm still happy with those stances with the exception of you actually. I've been happier with your posts recently.

 

[RoxPSI]

I don't see how that's much different from what Rox' has done, smar.

You don't know anything about my case Gheb, if you did you wouldn't said how it was 'wrong'. You have never done this. How do you know my case is identical to Glyph's when you refused to read into it?

Tunneling hard.

Me and Rpsi are still talking about our reads on players because everyone is looking dumb as **** (with a few exceptions).

-Roxy