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#HBC | ѕoup

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Gheb and friends vs the evil RoxPSI

that's about it.

Content after work
basically this.

i hate trying to responding throughly to hundreds of posts, when in fact, some people coulda had the same opnion, or you're too late to add anything that's really benefical.

EITHER WAY...

guess i'll start reading. :glare:
 

RoxPSI

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No asdioh I don't, with more than enough conversing left to do, and with how fast wagons go, asking for as claim got someone who might not even fire is role phishing

-Roxy
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#HBC | Red Ryu

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JTB:

Well I spent time to review him, I think I may have spoken too soon about him. I looked back because I felt like he was bandwagoning quite a bit, but this wasn't the case.

IT is only recently that it seemed like he was going behind others for lynching, but it seems like I was wrong, he has made cases like Soupamario in the early game and others later one. Where he spent time building a case instead of riding off of others.

There are still cases like the recent one with me where I feel like he did jump on behind RoxPSI and Radical Fiction, but he didn't hold off and let them do all the work. He brought somethings to the table.

So I'm gonna drop the call out on him being scum. I was wrong.

However his case on me I still think is a load of bull at this point. I'm gonna stand by my previous posts on that at the very least.

~

@Gheb: Ok with RoxPSI his case as you pointed out has little merit to it, there is some which he did have a point about, before that point I didn't take strong stances and was pretty inactive.

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12296227&postcount=685

Posts like this make me feel like he was scum hunting and tunneling me over trying to paint me as a scapegoat.

The one thing that did annoy me was this post,

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12297011&postcount=716

He dodged my responses, #705 and #714 ,ignored what I said for a huge chunk of my post and placed his vote on me again.

Before this he was trying to go for legitimate argument for why I was anti-town and I worked on trying to refute this.

While his scum hunting isn't great, it seems like he was making an effort to go for a case on someone. He's not trying to bandwagon people or make completely BS cases.

I feel he is town, or at the very least more town than Hida, Soupa, and co.
 

hidajiremi

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I feel he is town, or at the very least more town than Hida, Soupa, and co.
Well, if you're scum partners, of course you'd say that. Even if not, you have to admit that him tunneling you hard, then backing off suddenly and with no explanation is weird. And if you're not convinced RoxPSI is scum, who is your top pick and why?
 

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[0] Glyph:
[1] Tandora: Gheb_01,
[0] Soupamario:
[1] DatHydra: Soupamario,
[1] hidajiremi: Asdioh,
[0] Vult Redux:
[3] RoxPSI: Vult Redux, DatHydra, Glyph,
[1] Asdioh: Tandora,
[2] Red Ryu: JTB, hidajiremi,
[0] smarboy69:
[0] RadicalFiction:
[1] JTB: RadicalFiction,
[0] Gheb_01:
[0] No Lynch:

Not voting: RoxPSI, Red Ryu, smarboy69,
 

#HBC | Red Ryu

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Well, if you're scum partners, of course you'd say that. Even if not, you have to admit that him tunneling you hard, then backing off suddenly and with no explanation is weird. And if you're not convinced RoxPSI is scum, who is your top pick and why?
Are you supporting Ryu + RoxPSI? If yes, then explain the explosion on me after Radical Fiction called me out and RoxPSI tunneled me hard.

As for him backing off, I do find that odd. I call him town and he backs off instantly, however it may be a result of me stepping it up more. Either way I find other people more worth lynching atm.

Top scum pick is you atm, I have not found your posts to be helpful to town and seem to be leading for dead ends, OMGUS votes or bandwagoning. Right when I called you as my prime target you made a instant vote on me and have continued to do such,
 

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I'm satisfied with Red Ryu's response

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RoxPSI

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Hida, could you tell us what exactly makes Tandora town from your point of view? Go into any details you can catch from previous games (meta)

-Roxy
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Are you supporting Ryu + RoxPSI? If yes, then explain the explosion on me after Radical Fiction called me out and RoxPSI tunneled me hard.

As for him backing off, I do find that odd. I call him town and he backs off instantly, however it may be a result of me stepping it up more. Either way I find other people more worth lynching atm.
Hmm, you may have a point. Sadly, that leaves me only RoxPSI as a scum pick. My case against you is being diminished by your greater level of activity, but that still leaves RoxPSI as a scum pick. Now just waiting for his defense from my earlier post.

For the time being, though:

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smarboy69

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Asdioh, as someone else pointed out, asking RoxPSI to claim right now is nothing more than rolefishing. And as you said, there are two days (less) left before deadline - we need to pick a lynch. Why did you unvote and then not revote? If you want RoxPSI pressured into claiming, why not vote him? Why did you ask if a claim was in order?

As you said, you had two votes all game - Soupa and Hida. These were both easy wagons, and leaving the Hida wagon the way you did - jumping off, because nobody else seems interested in it - looks scummy.

Gheb: We (Gboy and me) are agreed on Glyph; he's had one post worth of content and that was responding to one single post in the game, and while things do happen, the timing of his computer breaking is suspicious. If he isn't the lynch today, he should definitely get some attention tomorrow. You can count on us for the hammer. There are other people I'd be willing to lynch, but I have to talk with Gboy first.

Vult: What did you expect Tan to say? Did you expect her to lie?
 

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Hida, could you tell us what exactly makes Tandora town from your point of view? Go into any details you can catch from previous games (meta)
While Doctor Who mafia never was officially resolved, her stated stance to me several times before that was that if we're in a game together, she'll start off tunneling me to get me to be more active. In Doctor Who, she didn't do that, and was one of my front-runners for scum. In this game, she did--almost her first action was to zoom in on me with little to no reason. It served as a reversion to form, which placed her into the town zone for me.

Additionally, from a logic-based point of view, the couple of things that people have harassed her about as "scummy," I know are based mainly on time constraints. When she tried to clear me but forgot to unvote, she was posting on her lunch break from work and got called back in suddenly. When she went on V/LA, she really was out of town that day; it wasn't a clever ploy to gain time to think, as I've seen some people accuse other players of doing. And her #661:

I've seen games where someone made a claim of a weak role, was killed because of it, and the claim was true. Honestly, finding townies and keeping them alive is just as vital as finding scum and killing them. I think shooting ourselves in the foot by lynching someone who is supposedly useless is bad play. I'd keep an eye on the players who've proposed as much.
This is a statement I've heard her make repeatedly about other games she's been in. Tandora very much holds that protecting innocent town is as important to town victories as lynching guilty scum. The only reason she wouldn't put this attitude forward would be to give herself an easy out as a scum player. From games I've watched her play in as scum, she would be doing everything she could to make mislynches more possible, not less. Since she's proposing a course of action that involves protecting town, she's town. That's the way she works a problem.

Now that I've given you something, I'd like to hear your defense against my argument. RR's brief challenge had something in it that I think cleared the possibility of you being scum partners, but I'd like to hear what you have to say about it before deadline gets any closer. Quid pro quo, and all that.
 

RoxPSI

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Some responses to you.

First off, the comment on Tandora vs Gheb on game semantics was out of context, continue reading to find there's a joke in there. Now that you see it as a joke, wouldn't the next thought be "isn't this whole thing a joke?"

To answer your question yes, yes it was.

I wasn't satisfied in Red Ryu's play due to the fact that we've (rpsi and I) have seen him play probably more than any other mafia player thus far, and I hold that as fact. We've seen him here, in the DR twice, and in the moderating mafia games three times; i'm sure that's more experience than anyone else has correct?

With all of this information, we feel that he's a townie, however that his current play is anti-town, so we pushed him for information. You're using a logical fallacy to make it seem like since someone talked about me and RR being SvS, and we posted right after that "satisfied with RR" that those have a direct correlation; they do not.



-Roxy
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You're using a logical fallacy to make it seem like since someone talked about me and RR being SvS, and we posted right after that "satisfied with RR" that those have a direct correlation; they do not.
Didn't I just say that I was backing off from you guys being partners? I was asking what your thoughts about you are, not about RR.
 

RoxPSI

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What's your argument on me then? That's all I currently see is your argument with me and RR :X
 

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Basically all of this:

I don't think I missed anything there--you went from pushing to completely dropped without a single reason given. Your next significant post is to accuse Gheb of tunneling you

and to insult the intelligence of the other players. You're basically trying to make a reductio ad ridiculum against "everyone"--where everyone is defined so vaguely that you can use it to mean "anyone", or more likely "anyone who's against you." Then we get a post complaining about the rigors of being a hydra, followed by

Thankfully, you've already emphasized the thing I was going to focus on. "To a certain degree"? The thing about this argument is: if you lynch a townie, then your information wasn't legitimate. You're trying to twist around a logical position to make it say "if I'm part of a mislynch, it doesn't really matter." Town should always feel like a mislynch matters, and you don't seem to care. And while you say that you're responsible for your actions, you immediately negate it--basically, that people should ignore someone who pushed a bad lynch because they're not really responsible. It sets up a bad precedent for later in the game, bare minimum.
Even if RR isn't your partner, your push and release was suspicious. Your #895 explanation covers some of it, but your cavalier attitude about mislynches is still an anti-town position, and I would like some clarification on it.
 

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Hida: What is your opinion on pressure votes?

What is your opinion on the appropriate use of meta? If I tell you "I always vote the person above me in RVS when I'm town" and then in one game I vote someone for having an avatar I disagree with, does that make me scum in that game?
 

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Insulting another person's intelligences pushes them to want to do better; they are mad, therefore they push information to make me angry back; this is productive (or I just felt like insulting all of you because i felt most of you were idiots; anyone who felt they were being insulted obviously needed to step it up am i right?)

To put it in simple terms, the basis of lynches is case by case, sometimes peopel tunnel, and sometimes people find viable 'slips'. If the person flips town in both cases, can you really say that in both cases the person leading the lynch is wrong? No, you cannot. I don't feel I'm wrong about my case, therefore if it was a mislynch i'd not only be shocked, but I'd keep it moving, so where I went wrong and see what the lynch will bring in the sense of information.

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Huh? Glyph is getting surprisingly little flak from anyone for how weak his attacks against Rox' were. JTB, Ryu, hida and Rox' all have gotten major mistrust and suspicion upon making cases that were generally considered bad. Smar's the only one to agree with my read on him though and they can't even vote atm. Lame.

Insulting another person's intelligences pushes them to want to do better; they are mad, therefore they push information to make me angry back; this is productive
What crap. The effects of "insulting a player's intelligence" aren't necessarily productive at all and largely depend on the player in question. Some people take it personal and make OOC statements accidentally taken at face value, less experienced players will feel threatened on a meta-level potentially causing them to play overly timid and the general impression is that you choose to ad hominem a player in order to discredit him. Common scum tactic to hamper the influence of an experienced townie. You've literally only pointed out the positive aspect of insulting people's intelligence and not only is it the most unlikely reaction but also the only positive one to begin with.

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Bull**** Gheb. There are too many players that play that way really damn successfully to make it out as the scum tell you're trying to.

Doesn't matter at all either way. End the argument here.
 

#HBC | Red Ryu

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RR: can i ask, why do you think i am scum?
The sudden flip of your noob town card, I find it to be a load of BS.

It's one thing to use it as a bait, but I'm not seeing this at all or rather this doesn't make as much sense. Your saying, "hey guys I'm gonna stop hiding in the background and asking more questions"

Alright, back, no i did not purposely go V/LA, i haven't even skimmed this as you can see.

It seems that i can stop playing dumb town now, we've finally got people talking.

Sorry for that ruse everyone.


Give me a minute to Summarize all this, lemme choose my scum picks, and we'll go from there.
I'm not really buying this, seems more like you were trying to make blanket statements to get town's favor. This is where my mistrust comes from.

~

First pick for lynch is Hida, then Soupa.

Based on what has been presented I can support a Glyph lynch, I don't support a RoxPSI lynch.
 

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RR, a Soupa lynch isn't happening toDay and too many people are convinced that hida is town for some reason I don't actually understand myself. You're better off getting on the Glyph wagon.

Unvote Vote Glyph

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RR, a Soupa lynch isn't happening toDay and too many people are convinced that hida is town for some reason I don't actually understand myself. You're better off getting on the Glyph wagon.

Unvote Vote Glyph

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Who the hell are they?
 

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@mod: I unvoted earlier

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Top scum pick is you atm, I have not found your posts to be helpful to town and seem to be leading for dead ends, OMGUS votes or bandwagoning. Right when I called you as my prime target you made a instant vote on me and have continued to do such,
Do you think you could get anyone else to vote for him [Hida]? A number of other people seem to have included him in their list of suspects but he's never high enough in that list to have a vote on him for very long.

Or I could rephrase that:

Is anyone else wanting to lynch Hida toDay?

@Rfiction: what are your thoughts on JTB right now? You have your vote on him, but you haven't posted much lately. Who should be lynched toDay?




No, I wasn't asking for a claim by RoxPSI, I was just wondering how much it would take for one to be in order. See: DatHydra fiasco



@Hida: you've done a lot to explain why you think Tandora is Town, but it doesn't clear you. Even if she were revealed as Town, that wouldn't say much about you.

Hmm, you may have a point. Sadly, that leaves me only RoxPSI as a scum pick. My case against you is being diminished by your greater level of activity, but that still leaves RoxPSI as a scum pick. Now just waiting for his defense from my earlier post.

For the time being, though:

Unvote
Need moar!



RR, a Soupa lynch isn't happening toDay and too many people are convinced that hida is town for some reason I don't actually understand myself. You're better off getting on the Glyph wagon.

Unvote Vote Glyph

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Is this a "lynch him before he can defend himself" wagon? Because I got the impression he's not going to be on much :/

I will say right now that Glyph is leaning a bit on the scummy side for me, though the problem is I can't tell if it's largely because of (forced) inactivity.
However I will say that he is a strong Town player that I wouldn't want to mislynch on day 1. I know he's strong as Town because in my first game, he was the one calling out my scumbuddies and I from Day 1, so I've noticed firsthand how perceptive he can be.
At the same time, he's dangerous as scum.

Apparently he was online in the last hour so I'll see what his activity looks like. I'm about to leave for work so hopefully he's said something by that time.
 

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Huh? Glyph is getting surprisingly little flak from anyone for how weak his attacks against Rox' were. JTB, Ryu, hida and Rox' all have gotten major mistrust and suspicion upon making cases that were generally considered bad. Smar's the only one to agree with my read on him though and they can't even vote atm. Lame.



What crap. The effects of "insulting a player's intelligence" aren't necessarily productive at all and largely depend on the player in question. Some people take it personal and make OOC statements accidentally taken at face value, less experienced players will feel threatened on a meta-level potentially causing them to play overly timid and the general impression is that you choose to ad hominem a player in order to discredit him. Common scum tactic to hamper the influence of an experienced townie. You've literally only pointed out the positive aspect of insulting people's intelligence and not only is it the most unlikely reaction but also the only positive one to begin with.

:059:
Sounds like a damn positive reaction if you ask me. Have you seen instances of which a person is insulted for their lack of gameplay and plays worse becasue of it? Do show it. I've personally been insulted in gameplay and have only played better because of it, but then again since i've had that reaction i'm more based to believe that.

You would think our defenses against glypoh would show that we feel glyph's case is crap Gheb.

vote: Glyph

if that helps any more
 

#HBC | Red Ryu

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Vote: hidajiremi

I'm gonna wait for a Glyph response before I decide to go with that, because his dog destroyed his laptop apparently.

If he doesn't respond near the end of the day, I'll vote him over Hida.
 

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Asdioh, if he's been online in the last hour, he can defend himself.



vote: Hida

I'll leave that here before work.

Vote: hidajiremi

I'm gonna wait for a Glyph response before I decide to go with that, because his dog destroyed his laptop apparently.

If he doesn't respond near the end of the day, I'll vote him over Hida.
I will also wait.

Whoever accuses me of parroting is blatant scum >=(
 

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With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch!

[2] Glyph: Gheb_01, RoxPSI,
[0] Tandora:
[0] Soupamario:
[1] DatHydra: Soupamario,
[2] hidajiremi: Red Ryu, Asdioh,
[0] Vult Redux:
[3] RoxPSI: Vult Redux, DatHydra, Glyph,
[1] Asdioh: Tandora,
[0] Red Ryu:
[0] smarboy69:
[0] RadicalFiction:
[1] JTB: RadicalFiction,
[0] Gheb_01:
[0] No Lynch:

Not voting: hidajiremi, smarboy69, JTB,
 
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