Dissidia Mafia: Over Serial Killer Wiins! ~ Told you $#!* got real!

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Making a quick day summarizer for each player, and how i feel about them.

anyways, days seem to way more important then EM you guys spend a ton of time for one day.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

going in EBWOPS because i hate big chunks of posts.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Soup, you really should only elaborate on your scum reads. Telling everybody who you trust so close before the deadline just paints a target on people's backs for the mafia. Anything more than your top 3 suspects really doesn't help the town that much to begin with.

 

[RoxPSI]

Fair enough for me Gheb, but i'm sure she could've explained that herself

vote: Glyph

-Roxy

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

that's what i'm doing.

i'm telling my opnion on the players and their actions, but i'm not trying to hog up the whole space.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

but, if it comes to that, i suppose i can just focus on who i consider scummy.

 

[DatHydra]

Most of my arguments regarding Glyph are between post 748 and post 846.

No hammer until Tandora and Vult speak up.

Your first response to Glyph you state he isn't giving pro-town vibes. I don't particularly have an issue with your vote.

Smargboy FoS's Glyph early. Fine.

I don't think RoxPSI explicitly states that they felt Glyph was scummy, but it felt implied to me.

However, everyone else didn't have an issue with Glyph before the BW started (some expressed nulls, most didn't respond at all to either Glyph's case or your arguments). Now that there's a BW, most people jumped on without giving it much or any thought at all.




In response to your arguments regarding Glyph.

"I'd rather have two clear arguments that gets to the point quickly than long politician-like paragraphs where the meaning is lost halfway through the post. Coupled with your lack of input earlier and how you now suddenly appear out of nowhere with a huge case on one of the people who gets the most flak right now anyway I can't say you're giving me a pro-town vibe."

So:

• Long post - Okay.
• Lack of input - Inactivity.
• Sudden case - To me it just felt like he had finally caught up with the thread and made a case for his top scum pick. If he simply voted for Rox without giving any reason after being inactive for so long, he'd be called out that. Seems like lose-lose either way.

He also has the following stances:


Soup>Town
Gheb>Null
Hida>Scum
Hydra>Town
RoxPSI>Scum

To be fair though I feel a lot of those are "safe" stances.

Reading through your posts atm, seeing if any other major points against Glyph from you catch my eye.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Rox, I think she has plenty more important thing to respond to than that.

Man, I just realized that this will be extra funny if Glyph flips town because between Soup, JTB, Tanny and hida there's awfully little substance behind the whole case against Glyph. And I still find Rox' suspect ...

@DatHydra

Seems like you're agreeing with me here? Even from a practical point of view - like in your case since you don't find Glyph scummy - this lynch makes a lot of sense as it will probably give us the best leads for toMorrow.

And posted in summary his "reads" look like parrots to me.

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch!

[6] Glyph: Red Ryu, Soupamario, JTB, Tandora, hidajiremi, RoxPSI,
[0] Tandora:
[0] Soupamario:
[0] DatHydra:
[2] hidajiremi: Asdioh, RadicalFiction,
[0] Vult Redux:
[3] RoxPSI: Vult Redux, DatHydra, Glyph,
[0] Asdioh:
[0] Red Ryu:
[0] smarboy69:
[0] RadicalFiction:
[0] JTB:
[0] Gheb_01:
[0] No Lynch:

Not voting: smarboy69, Gheb_01,

 

[DatHydra]

@DatHydra

Seems like you're agreeing with me here? Even from a practical point of view - like in your case since you don't find Glyph scummy - this lynch makes a lot of sense as it will probably give us the best leads for toMorrow.

And posted in summary his "reads" look like parrots to me.

In agreement and I understand. I feel the leads from other lynches would be more useful, but I can see why the Glyph lynch has useful leads too. Let's see how it goes then.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Gheb, if Vult and Tan do say something, could you please do me a favor and not vote until i've gaven my scumpicks and whatnot?

writing some stuff on notepad.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

got a question: as i'm writing this down, and looking at 'this' person, they seem to have big worded posts, but it seems like they're trying too hard to convince someone, basically agreeing and nodding or being hostile to whoever attacks them.

so, aside from that: is big wording posting really a town-tell? isn't mafia TRYING to sound convincing?

reassesing right now.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

In agreement and I understand. I feel the leads from other lynches would be more useful, but I can see why the Glyph lynch has useful leads too. Let's see how it goes then.

Elaborate? You're probably referring to a Rox' lynch now considering your opinions and your current vote but I don't see how that's the case.

Gheb, if Vult and Tan do say something, could you please do me a favor and not vote until i've gaven my scumpicks and whatnot?

writing some stuff on notepad.

Not hammering. It's bedtime for me now so I'm about to leave.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

got a question: as i'm writing this down, and looking at 'this' person, they seem to have big worded posts, but it seems like they're trying too hard to convince someone, basically agreeing and nodding or being hostile to whoever attacks them.

so, aside from that: is big wording posting really a town-tell? isn't mafia TRYING to sound convincing?

reassesing right now.

Exactly what I was trying to get at at least 3 times now. Long posts or "big worded posts" are often eye-candy with little substance to them, which is why I've asked people like Glyph or Rox to summarize their issues into two or three clear, general accusations. That way people get to see what's really behind their words. And in Glyph's case this has proven to be little.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

need to go, saving for reference.

 

[JTB]

To explain my vote on Glyph, I can just bring up a past post during the RR bandwagon time

But what I was trying to get at is it seems more beneficial to keep an active poster for now (even if he is scum) for future content than keep RR, whom I believed from his previous posts, was going to continue to play anti-town and provide nothing.

Also, given that Glyph broke his laptop, we have no idea how often he is going to be able to get on and post. However, we can assume that his activity during this Day is going to reflect his activity in future days. If we keep our active posters alive, even if they are scum, they are going to be able to provide more leads for later in the game than Glyph most likely would.

 

[DatHydra]

Elaborate? You're probably referring to a Rox' lynch now considering your opinions and your current vote but I don't see how that's the case.



Not hammering. It's bedtime for me now so I'm about to leave.

Hida: Hida and Tandora clearing each other early in the game.

Me: Red Ryu's early defence on me based on meta. I've had multiple one to one discussions that can be looked at.

RoxPSI: Rf's refusal to give a stance on RoxPSI unless I flip town. RoxPSI has also had multiple one on ones.

Off the top of my head, those were the possible lynches, and immediate leads without looking back.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Hydra, I would rather have an active around later in the game than an inactive. Inactives don't help at all, make reads extremely difficult.

It's anti-town to be as inactive as Glyph was.

 

[DatHydra]

Hydra, I would rather have an active around later in the game than an inactive.

This is only D1. It's not as if we can't lynch inactives in D2 or 3 if we don't now.

It's anti-town to be as inactive as Glyph was.

I agree.



I entirely agree that inactives are being anti-town and aren't helping. I don't believe that lynching actives always takes priority over inactives. But on D1, when people seemingly have strong thoughts for scumpicks, I feel it's better to take a risk on who you believe is active and scum, than simply lynch those who are being anti-town through inactivity.

Maybe I'm wrong on the matter, or it's just a difference in philosophy. Just under the current circumstances, the lynching of an inactive made little sense to me.

 

[Asdioh]

Well, on the one hand, I cleared her and she immediately cleared me. Either we're scum together, or we're town together. And pretty much everyone agrees at this point that Tandora is town. By clearing her, I clear myself. And if I were scum, it really wouldn't do me a lot of good to clear townies--scum gains traction by making it unclear who is town and who isn't. Clearing people only paints scum into a corner. Ergo, since I'm actively trying to clear people, I'm not scum. Does that help you understand my position at all?

ok... this really doesn't compute with me.

Either we're scum together, or we're town together.

Not at all.

And pretty much everyone agrees at this point that Tandora is town.

I have seen absolutely no indication of this.

By clearing her, I clear myself.

Again, no.

And if I were scum, it really wouldn't do me a lot of good to clear townies--scum gains traction by making it unclear who is town and who isn't. Clearing people only paints scum into a corner. Ergo, since I'm actively trying to clear people, I'm not scum.

Scenario: you're scum, she's town. You say you have a really strong town read on her, then night kill her. She flips town, you look like you called it by reading, rather than simply knowing by process of elimination. Scum doesn't necessarily gain traction by making it unclear. When it's unclear who Town is, scum has more trouble deciding who to kill at night, what would look best for them.
Confirming someone as Town is usually Anti-town. It makes them an obvious target for a night kill, and then we're left with less confirmed towns and more question marks.
It paints scum into a corner... late game. Not early game.

And again, you haven't cleared either of you as town.

You're far too gleeful about that for me to be comfortable with it. On the other hand, Glyph has consistently been the lurkiest of lurkers, and his positions have waffled harder than a balanced breakfast in his few posts.

lol'd

got a question: as i'm writing this down, and looking at 'this' person, they seem to have big worded posts, but it seems like they're trying too hard to convince someone, basically agreeing and nodding or being hostile to whoever attacks them.

so, aside from that: is big wording posting really a town-tell? isn't mafia TRYING to sound convincing?

reassesing right now.

Did you mean "not" trying too hard?

And is it me? :O

 

[JTB]

DatHydra, I think I can see what you are thinking. However, what benefit do you see from keeping Glyph in the game? Isn't it a safer lynch to do away with someone (who is null) who is not going to be contributing much at all than someone (who is scum) who may lead us to other scum?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

People should hammer before midnight also, don't forget about that.

 

[JTB]

Midnight tomorrow, not tonight.

 

[Asdioh]

As of now, we have 54 hours and 35 mins left in the day.

oh right, it is tomorrow. I thought it was tonight. hmmm

 

[smarboy69]

For the record: We've been on Glyph since his first big post. After that first big post, all he did was ask people to respond - he didn't draw any conclusions about what not responding meant, he didn't bring up any new points, he just shut down. I'm still in favor of a Glyph lynch but will hold off on hammering while we wait for everyone else to post.

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

Response to Glyph #775 a post about our #627

I dislike this post. It’s an analysis of a single post that we have made throughout this entire mafia game. Let alone, you only analyze us and no one else at all.

I analyzed the posts that stood out to me. If I don't have a problem with a post, my quoting it and saying "This post is great!" does no one any good. It is implied.

First of all, he comments on my opening words to Asdioh's question. I start off with "But I'm not scum though." Playing with me (rPSI) in multiple games, he knows how I talk to people and comment on things. Me saying “but I'm town though” or “But I'm not scum” Shouldn’t be anything new; it should be a null tell. Now he’s using it as a scum-tell; reaching.

Hahaha what. No. No no. I stand by that point, and it still makes me wary of you. I have never seen you post like that before.

Your next argument that you present is that I’m avoiding responsibilities for my actions. This is just flat out wrong. I am responsible for my actions to a certain degree, everyone is, to a certain degree. If you push someone, and have legitimate info, and end up lynching a townie, you’re still wrong, but that doesn’t particularly make it scummy now does it? Everyone knows that, it’s implied.

Of course its implied, but you went out of your way to state it several times in that post. The fact that you brought attention to it at all makes it look like you're attempting to make sure no one is looking to lynch you if the lynch turns up bad.

You seem concerned with staying alive more than the lynch itself.

I am not the entire voice of town. I am not the only person on his mislynch. I am a singular entitiy in this town and cannot be held entirely responsible for his death, that is why you shouldn’t kill me.”
If I had said that in the exact way that he wanted it, he probably wouldn’t have a problem with this. However, since I didn’t put it in a professional manner, it’s suddenly scummy? Bogus case.

Nooo, I would have had the same problems with that bro. Again, the fact that you felt the need to stress that comes across as scummy to me.

We can kill you if you want

-Roxy

Or you could, you know, request a replacement.

Glyph, how often would you be able to get on a computer?

Not very much.

Eh, wanted to post this before the Rox' quote but forgot to add it:

Rox, the way I currently see it you're more concerned with defending yourself against me than against Glyph and I also think the reverse case applies with Glyph not taking much note of you calling his reasoning weak but going into detail against my thorough points. How come? For how suspicious Glyph is of Rox' and for how questionable Glyph's reasoning if for Rox' you guys have surprisingly little interaction with each other and most of the arguments are with me rather than each other. That strikes me as odd.

This begins the trend of calling my case on Roxy "questionable". And yet, I haven't seen any refutes on the points I've made. I consider them to be very convincing, if I didn't I never would have brought them up in the first place.

Gheb: We (Gboy and me) are agreed on Glyph; he's had one post worth of content and that was responding to one single post in the game, and while things do happen, the timing of his computer breaking is suspicious. If he isn't the lynch today, he should definitely get some attention tomorrow. You can count on us for the hammer. There are other people I'd be willing to lynch, but I have to talk with Gboy first.

Vult: What did you expect Tan to say? Did you expect her to lie?

Yes, I faked breaking my laptop, all but disappeared from the internet, and publicly stated it was broken in other mafia games and other threads all to hide in a mafia game.

Come on.

Huh? Glyph is getting surprisingly little flak from anyone for how weak his attacks against Rox' were. JTB, Ryu, hida and Rox' all have gotten major mistrust and suspicion upon making cases that were generally considered bad. Smar's the only one to agree with my read on him though and they can't even vote atm. Lame.

Hey look, another claim of my "weak" case!

He's giving no defence (obviously) and his only real input was based on finding a reason to push his vote on me (must note that the reason was quite bad)

:3c

Try Reading

-Roxy

And again!

Sorry Gheb for the scummy long post but I've got stuff to say and I'mma say it.

 

[Radical Fiction]

@Radical

Tell me why you want Hida > Glyph.

Hida is scummy. Glyph is not.

I (Ryker), can be here till deadline, but would like to go get something to eat before everything closes.

 

[Radical Fiction]

uhhh..isn't it the end of the day?

(EM MIND)
at the end of the day, the town comes to a majority of who to lynch, and people are going to a bandwagon and i'm just following it, perhaps i need to stop thinking EM.
(EM MIND)

just because i'm VOTING doesn't mean i am LYNCHING

it's just the majority right now, ok?

i'm staying after today so i'll be active.

Pitiful excuse. Town read has left the building.

 

[Radical Fiction]

Do it .

Die die die die die die die die

 

[JTB]

Ryker, deadline is tomorrow night, you have time.

 

[Radical Fiction]

DatHydra, I think I can see what you are thinking. However, what benefit do you see from keeping Glyph in the game? Isn't it a safer lynch to do away with someone (who is null) who is not going to be contributing much at all than someone (who is scum) who may lead us to other scum?

Go die in a hole.

 

[smarboy69]

Glyph, it was more than just the timing of the computer breaking - it was how all of a sudden and out of the blue you jumped on the biggest bandwagon for poor reasons, and then ignored everything else in the game.

RF - I think that you believe Hida to be scummy and Glyph not was apparent. We wanted to know why you have those reads.

 

[Radical Fiction]

Thought it was tonight.

JTB, why are you unwilling to lynch Hida?

 

[Radical Fiction]

RF - I think that you believe Hida to be scummy and Glyph not was apparent. We wanted to know why you have those reads.

Glyph posted content, Hida posted bull****.

 

[Asdioh]

Yeah. I can't remember how the Glyph bandwagon started, but now that I know we have another 24 hours... I don't know. I was really hoping for a Hida lynch because I have a much stronger feeling about him, but for some reason nobody wants to follow that even though they also have suspicions about him.

[6] Glyph: Red Ryu, Soupamario, JTB, Tandora, hidajiremi, RoxPSI,

I believe that:
-A Hida lynch is more likely to end up as a scum flip than Glyph
-A Hida lynch will give us more leads than Glyph if he doesn't turn out to be scum.

Do you still agree with this? Will you vote Hida with- *looks at vote count* oh, right.

I'm going through Hida's posts right now, and I might comment on them later, but right now I'm just going to repeat that I think Hida is FAR scummier than Glyph and lynching him would be the better choice. I already said Glyph is kind of scummy, and I still think it's a possibility, but right now I'm guessing he'll flip town if we lynch him and it will be a waste.

tl;dr vote Hida instead of Glyph and better results will occur imo

 

[Asdioh]

dunno if this is relevant, but I was ninja'd by everything after post 985.

 

[JTB]

Thought it was tonight.

JTB, why are you unwilling to lynch Hida?

Have I ever said I was unwilling to lynch Hida?

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

Glyph, it was more than just the timing of the computer breaking - it was how all of a sudden and out of the blue you jumped on the biggest bandwagon for poor reasons, and then ignored everything else in the game.

RF - I think that you believe Hida to be scummy and Glyph not was apparent. We wanted to know why you have those reads.

Hey look, "poor reasons"!

I literally JUST posted explaining why I still feel my argument against RoxPSI was pretty good, and you just ignored it and went back to calling it weak.

Again, I commented on the things that I felt needed to be commented on. I discussed RR as well in that post, since that was the only other major thing going on at the time.

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

I seriously think RoxPSI is the play for today. Why is there not any discussion on this? Even if you disagree with my case, what about those presented by other players?

 

[Radical Fiction]

Have I ever said I was unwilling to lynch Hida?

Then vote him or die in obscurity.