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[Asdioh]

whoa is that seriously all that happened while I was at work?

that is.... disturbing.

 

[JTB]

I'm assuming we are waiting on a Glyph post.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I'm assuming we are waiting on a Glyph post.

Yup, yup.

If not, it's lynching time!

 

[Swiss]

Cool posts Ryker. Glad you're posting.

I'mma catch up ASAP. Mad behind on all my games.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Is this a "lynch him before he can defend himself" wagon? Because I got the impression he's not going to be on much :/

You got that impression based on what?

And I'm not wagoning him "before he can defend himself" because he had plenty of time to defend himself to begin with and there was enough substance to respond to as well. But deadline's tomorrow and the votes are way too scattered ... last minute boss PR claim could have us really making a bad decision and I'd rather not have a NL or "random" lynch after all the substance we had toDay.

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch!

[2] Glyph: Gheb_01, RoxPSI,
[0] Tandora:
[0] Soupamario:
[1] DatHydra: Soupamario,
[2] hidajiremi: Red Ryu, Asdioh,
[0] Vult Redux:
[3] RoxPSI: Vult Redux, DatHydra, Glyph,
[1] Asdioh: Tandora,
[0] Red Ryu:
[0] smarboy69:
[0] RadicalFiction:
[1] JTB: RadicalFiction,
[0] Gheb_01:
[0] No Lynch:

Not voting: hidajiremi, smarboy69, JTB,

Soup, Tandora, hida and JTB you guys are seriously useless with the way you use your votes at the moment. Asdioh and DH are not plays for toDay and NL is completely out of the question.

 

[RoxPSI]

Asdioh, would you expect someone to defend themselves, us to retract and evaluate, then see if he's worthy of a lynch right before the Day ends?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Hmmm...yeah.

I'd rather have active players who look like scum than ones who had their chance to but didn't, even with his situation he could have posted more before.

With that said.

Unvote
Vote: Glyph

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I apologize for the inactivity, i have a tight situation with this.

I don't have internet at my home (at my mom's because my parents are divorced) and the only internet i get is at school.

see, i go to online classes but i can't simply just be doing this all the time, i try to check on it once and awhile but i can never have enough time to contribute thoroughly so i just skim.

anyways, this weekend i'll be at my dad's and i'll be more then active.

considering it's the last day and whatnot (and i need to vote)

unvote vote:Glyph

but i'd still like to reread some more.

once again, sorry.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

EBWOP: Could someone tell me why we are voting glyph and what excactly is going on?

 

[Radical Fiction]

EBWOP: Could someone tell me why we are voting glyph and what excactly is going on?

..........

Hida > Glyph

Unvote Vote: Hida

 

[JTB]

Soup, Tandora, hida and JTB you guys are seriously useless with the way you use your votes at the moment. Asdioh and DH are not plays for toDay and NL is completely out of the question.

Really Gheb? Did you even see my last post?

I'm assuming we are waiting on a Glyph post.

To make it more clear, I was assuming we were waiting for Glyph to defend himself before we decide to vote him. Just because I haven't voted him yet doesn't mean I'm being useless with my vote, I'm waiting for the right time.

Besides, he didn't post anyways, so

vote Glyph

 

[Tandora]

EBWOP

^ (asking for game purposes, not personal ones. haha)

---

This is not what I expected you to say and I am disappointed.

I'm disappointed in myself if it makes you feel better.

I will say right now that Glyph is leaning a bit on the scummy side for me, though the problem is I can't tell if it's largely because of (forced) inactivity.
However I will say that he is a strong Town player that I wouldn't want to mislynch on day 1. I know he's strong as Town because in my first game, he was the one calling out my scumbuddies and I from Day 1, so I've noticed firsthand how perceptive he can be.
At the same time, he's dangerous as scum.

Apparently he was online in the last hour so I'll see what his activity looks like. I'm about to leave for work so hopefully he's said something by that time.

I don't like this train of thought. You're saying a player is leaning scummy to you but on the off chance he really is town you aren't pursuing a lynch because he's really good as town but he's also really good as scum? Wait, what?

YoSoup, Tandora, hida and JTB you guys are seriously useless with the way you use your votes at the moment. Asdioh and DH are not plays for toDay and NL is completely out of the question.

I agree. Gheb, since I've gotten a town read off you and the other choice would be Jiremi, I'm gonna go on the Glyph wagon.

UNVOTE VOTE: GLYPH

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

..........

Hida > Glyph

Unvote Vote: Hida

I agree, but it's not gonna happen. We need a lynch and Glyph is more likely. :/

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Unvote
FoS Tandora

 

[~ Gheb ~]

unvote vote:Glyph

EBWOP: Could someone tell me why we are voting glyph and what excactly is going on?

So you don't why we are voting Glyph ... but proceed to vote him anyway?

 

[Asdioh]

Well

My dog broke my laptop

I'll make posts when i can get to a computer i guess

Sorry theres not any mafia talk in this post its looking like its going to be pretty expensive if i want it fixed and mafia is the last thing on my mind

I don't like this train of thought. You're saying a player is leaning scummy to you but on the off chance he really is town you aren't pursuing a lynch because he's really good as town but he's also really good as scum? Wait, what?

I was hoping for more from him but I think right now he doesn't really care about this game. We still have time and I'll be back from work with plenty of time left before the deadline. If the game's still going and he hasn't said anything I'll hammer.

It would suck to mislynch him on Day 1, but if he's scum it will give a LOT to work with, and if he's Town then I'll have to look over what he's said because like I've said, he's pretty perceptive.

Unvote
FoS Tandora

Can you elaborate on this at all?

 

[smarboy69]

@Radical

Tell me why you want Hida > Glyph.

 

[JTB]

EBWOP: Could someone tell me why we are voting glyph and what excactly is going on?

Are you playing noob town again or are you actually being serious?

FoS Soupamario

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Can you elaborate on this at all?

Putting him @L-1 in such a rapid succession doesn't seem troublesome to you? Tandora has skipped a lot of discussion and for somebody who claims to be rereading and answering stuff her last post looked rather skimmy than caught up. She has a lot to respond to first before setting up the hammer for smar.

She's definitely not in a position to make such a "penultimate" move.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

@Mod: Request Votecount

 

[~ Gheb ~]

[5] Glyph: RoxPSI, Red Ryu, Soupamario, JTB, Tandora
[0] Tandora:
[0] Soupamario:
[0] DatHydra:
[2] hidajiremi: Asdioh, Radical Fiction
[0] Vult Redux:
[3] RoxPSI: Vult Redux, DatHydra, Glyph,
[0] Asdioh:
[0] Red Ryu:
[0] smarboy69:
[0] RadicalFiction:
[0] JTB:
[0] Gheb_01:

Not voting: hidajiremi, smarboy69, Gheb_01

---

That should be the current votecount.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

uhhh..isn't it the end of the day?

(EM MIND)
at the end of the day, the town comes to a majority of who to lynch, and people are going to a bandwagon and i'm just following it, perhaps i need to stop thinking EM.
(EM MIND)

just because i'm VOTING doesn't mean i am LYNCHING

it's just the majority right now, ok?

i'm staying after today so i'll be active.

 

[Purple]

Well isn't this game just pity city. how about everyone just play better during the time they have? Time managment 101

 

[~ Gheb ~]

We're waiting for people to speak up ... Tandora, Vult and hida all have some explaining to do before the Day ends.

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch!

[5] Glyph: RoxPSI, Red Ryu, Soupamario, JTB, Tandora,
[0] Tandora:
[0] Soupamario:
[0] DatHydra:
[2] hidajiremi: Asdioh, RadicalFiction,
[0] Vult Redux:
[3] RoxPSI: Vult Redux, DatHydra, Glyph,
[0] Asdioh:
[0] Red Ryu:
[0] smarboy69:
[0] RadicalFiction:
[0] JTB:
[0] Gheb_01:
[0] No Lynch:

Not voting: hidajiremi, smarboy69, Gheb_01,

 

[hidajiremi]

Hida: What is your opinion on pressure votes?

What is your opinion on the appropriate use of meta? If I tell you "I always vote the person above me in RVS when I'm town" and then in one game I vote someone for having an avatar I disagree with, does that make me scum in that game?

My feeling on meta is divided. On the one hand, it seems like everyone uses it to some degree. On the other, it pollutes the purity of the game you're in to bring in outside influences. My current stance on meta is pretty much that if I have to use it, I will--and it seems pretty clear that everyone uses meta to some extent.

And I think pressure votes are only marginally useful. They tend to make people defensive and turtle up if they're used early-game. On the other hand, if someone has a strong wagon building against them, and they don't bother to offer any kind of defense, then there's often not any choice. Like going to war, it's not ideal but it might occasionally be necessary.

Insulting another person's intelligences pushes them to want to do better; they are mad, therefore they push information to make me angry back; this is productive

This is the most ridiculous statement I've ever read in mafia. Making other players angry degenerates the game into a shouting match where no one is getting good information because everyone's too busy shouting at each other to pay attention. It muddies the waters--and that's a scum tactic.

@Hida: you've done a lot to explain why you think Tandora is Town, but it doesn't clear you. Even if she were revealed as Town, that wouldn't say much about you.

Well, on the one hand, I cleared her and she immediately cleared me. Either we're scum together, or we're town together. And pretty much everyone agrees at this point that Tandora is town. By clearing her, I clear myself. And if I were scum, it really wouldn't do me a lot of good to clear townies--scum gains traction by making it unclear who is town and who isn't. Clearing people only paints scum into a corner. Ergo, since I'm actively trying to clear people, I'm not scum. Does that help you understand my position at all?

Soup, Tandora, hida and JTB you guys are seriously useless with the way you use your votes at the moment. Asdioh and DH are not plays for toDay and NL is completely out of the question.

Back the heck off. I only vote when I have a good reason, not to pressure people and not to make other players happy. I'm sure you mean well, but you can find a better way to put it than calling people "useless." And after you got on RoxPSI's back about the way he posts too...

Yup, yup.

If not, it's lynching time!

You're far too gleeful about that for me to be comfortable with it. On the other hand, Glyph has consistently been the lurkiest of lurkers, and his positions have waffled harder than a balanced breakfast in his few posts. Glyph's silence is pretty disheartening. He's offered no defense and no justification, so though I think RP is a better choice I just don't think it's gonna happen today.

Vote: Glyph

 

[Vult Redux]

I don't get the Glyph wagon.

help

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Vult, i know this feel.

 

[Purple]

He's giving no defence (obviously) and his only real input was based on finding a reason to push his vote on me (must note that the reason was quite bad)

:3c

Try Reading

-Roxy

 

[DatHydra]

I'm still not feeling the Glyph lynch.

We ignored active scummy players to go for an inactive player. I feel like we could have still got a majority on one of the previous candidiates back before we started focusing on Glyph, but at this point the Glyph lynch seems pretty inevitable.

And if I were scum, it really wouldn't do me a lot of good to clear townies--scum gains traction by making it unclear who is town and who isn't. Clearing people only paints scum into a corner.

Actually, this is something I've been curious about for a while. Newbie question here.

Red Ryu stated us as town based purely on meta at a time when we were generally seen as scummy (If I remember correctly). Would it make sense for me to take that as a town read on Red Ryu as such an action is inherently anti-scum? I know such an argument is weak as it relies on the assumption that I am town, but does it make sense for me to just use it personally for reads on players?

 

[smarboy69]

We are willing and able to hammer Glyph if the day is over.

 

[RoxPSI]

Do it .

 

[DatHydra]

Hang on, I want to make one more post if I can.

 

[Purple]

Don't do it.

 

[DatHydra]

People said that they were waiting for Glyph to post a defence.

A defence to what? Gheb and RoxPSI might have felt his case on RoxPSI was bad, but that doesn't make Glyph scummy in itself.

I'm still not getting what makes Glyph scum, besides his inactivity.

I'd rather have active players who look like scum than ones who had their chance to but didn't, even with his situation he could have posted more before.

Active scum candidiates are better lynch targets because on their flip you get information to look back on. From a Glyph lynch, we get almost no information based on his flip.



Gheb states he doesn't feel any other lynch would happen and a Glyph lynch could happen. Fair enough.

I believe that RoxPSI agrees with Gheb on the matter. Not explicitly stated afaik, but implied.

JTB: "I'm assuming we are waiting on a Glyph post."

Red Ryu: "Yup, yup. If not, it's lynching time!" And I addressed your other point.

Soup votes purely because it's the current wagon, and explicitly states he doesn't know why its happening.

Tandora just joins in.

Hida just joins in.

Smarboy apparently agreed with Gheb before the BW that Glyph was scummy, fair enough.



Where on earth has this lynch came from? We had a bunch of possible lynch candidates and we went on someone on D-1 last minute only because of inactivity, with most people having complete bs reasons? What is this Town.

Someone explain why this lynch is happening, besides for Glyph's inactivity. If it's just inactivity, why is this lynch preferable over our previous active lynch candidates?

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Most of my arguments regarding Glyph are between post 748 and post 846.

No hammer until Tandora and Vult speak up.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

hida, I still don't have a good grasp of your scumlist. You're voting for Glyph but I never saw him as your suspect so far and the rest of your suspicions just seems to come and go. Scumlist please

 

[RoxPSI]

Hey guys

unvote

I want to confirm something with Tandora, this might be reaching on a psychological level, but can anyone explain this statement?

I agree. Gheb, since I've gotten a town read off you and the other choice would be Jiremi, I'm gonna go on the Glyph wagon.

Note that she calls Gheb town, but doesn't refer to Jiremi being town as well. This might be her potentially slipping? It really does feel like a stretch, but I'd think that the statement would've been worded like "I agree. Gheb, since I've gotten a town read off of you and Jiremi, I'm gonna go on the Glyph wagon."

-Roxy
:202

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Man, I just realized that this will be extra funny if Glyph flips town because between Soup, JTB, Tanny and hida there's awfully little substance behind the whole case against Glyph. And I still find Rox' suspect ...

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Pretty sure that's not what she meant, Rox. When she said "the other choice" she was referring to toDay's lynch and she's stated that she's against lynching hida [although she still needs to elaborate on that as well].