Dissidia Mafia: Over Serial Killer Wiins! ~ Told you $#!* got real!

[JTB]

Also, agree with Asdioh. I've gathered that Gheb is EU, so I can expect to see posts from him later on tonight. But we still haven't heard from the others you mentioned.

 

[JTB]

Noe back to Tandora, first off there is the contradiction of sorts, if he though someone was town, why would he not unvote him?

Just to clarify, who did Tandora think was town? Hida?

You skimming bro?

 

[RoxPSI]

Why did you do this in the first place?

You said no one was following DH because of his claim, but you voted on him, explain this.

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[JTB]

Why did you do this in the first place?

You said no one was following DH because of his claim, but you voted on him, explain this.

 

[Asdioh]

I'm not going to lie. I don't even know what to think at this point.

this is how the past couple pages have made me feel. maybe I'll come back in the morning and things will make more sense by then.

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch!

[0] Glyph:
[0] Tandora:
[0] Soupamario:
[2] DatHydra: hidajiremi, Soupamario,
[1] hidajiremi: Asdioh,
[0] Vult Redux:
[3] RoxPSI: Vult Redux, Gheb_01, DatHydra,
[1] Asdioh: Tandora,
[3] Red Ryu: RadicalFiction, JTB, RoxPSI,
[0] smarboy69:
[0] RadicalFiction:
[0] JTB:
[0] Gheb_01:
[0] No Lynch:

Not voting: Glyph, Red Ryu, smarboy69,

 

[JTB]

yeahhh... He didn't like my ultimadum, but that's probably because he didn't notice what was going on.

huh?

REALLY, did you even read the context in which it was posted?

 

[Tandora]

Side note: Smargaret and I are both female IRL. As far as I know everyone else is male. Not a big deal, but I know Smarg and I both preferred to be called she.

My lack of unvoting Hida was already explained as I was at work, I only had a minute to post, I forgot to unvote. Slightly bad habit, but not really light shattering, you know?

I'm concerned that Soup disappeared off the face of the earth. Did he post a V/LA and I forgot? I wish I could sit down with him and get to know him better with a one-to-one conversation, but you know how that goes.

Can you name them? p:

I believe it was Roxy I was specifically thinking of. Look at the second panel of this quote:

-rPSI

There may have been another post that also made me feel that way, but I'm not seeing it right now.

Also, clearly I don't appreciate the role of watcher as much as others do. I suppose it's because I haven't seen it much other than Nightmare Before Christmas (NBC).

@ Red Ryu, you claim you have a couple of potential scum picks. Enough you felt confident enough to claim them as such. Why haven't you voted yet? Especially after commenting on my absentmindedness on unvoting Hida?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Just to clarify, who did Tandora think was town? Hida?

You skimming bro?

He changed his mind, like he explained, and he clarified why.

stuff

Thanks for not answering my question clearly again for a second time.

I am, because he didn't answer me again. If he said it before I missed it and am asking for a clear answer.

REALLY, did you even read the context in which it was posted?

I didn't get why that was in a post about me.

@ Red Ryu, you claim you have a couple of potential scum picks. Enough you felt confident enough to claim them as such. Why haven't you voted yet? Especially after commenting on my absentmindedness on unvoting Hida?

Because there are options and the deadline is the 9th, and I want to see people like Hydra, Soup, and Hida post again before a final call on my vote so far.

 

[smarboy69]

RR, you do realize that you can change your vote, right?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

If I make a vote, I personally consider it, "I am sure that I am fine with lynching this person over everyone else today."

So while I can go

Vote: hidajiremi

It shows what I am supporting very clearly, however I

Unvote

When I want to consider others when something changes. This is why I don't always have my vote on someone unless it gets closer to the end of the day.

I'm also waiting on responses so I'm holding onto my vote for the moment.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Once again posts are blowing up during my bedtime. I'll try to keep my points simple and for the sake of making things easier to respond to I will multipost now ...

 

[~ Gheb ~]

@ Tandora

I've asked you a couple of questions and you did not respond to them. You must've missed it but please make sure to answer these:

What's wrong with jumping the hida wagon fast? He didn't have a lot of votes, I have directly asked people to vote for either him or the hydra and people generally wanted him to take a stance.

I'd still like to see an answer to this, especially since your vote is currently on Asdioh. In addition I would like to know if you push Asdioh based on your town read on hidajiremi.

Even as his wife you could be wrong about him and it's not like the push wasn't warranted.

Do you acknowledge this point of mine?

Also, elaborate on the Asdioh - Vult connection?

This is still something that interests me and if you mention said connection I'd like to hear some details from you. You currently give me the impression that you'ge feigning input.

Good point, Gheb.

@Hydra, do you have any other abilities than the one you've claimed?

DON'T ANSWER THIS, DATHYDRA.
Tandora, why would you wanna know if he has any other abilities or not? You are one of the players who have openly advocated against his lynch based on the claim and you were the most vocal one's about the pro-town implications of his claim. I can't think of any town-aligned reason for you to fish for more information about his claim now. Enlighten me, please.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Regarding Red Ryu:

There's a lot of outrage over his posts and I don't quite understand why. Claiming that he's being useless doesn't hold any merit at this point and I don't see what's wrong with his actions or with what he said. How is his vote @ hida not legitimate? I will confirm my suspicion what Rox' is the play toDay in one of my following posts because of his behavior towards Ryu.

All in all, I've seen very little concrete accusations towards him other than him being "useless". Even if we ignored that fact that this isn't even true anymore it still leaves the question how he is more useless than Glyph is; just to name an example. If I took a closer look at all players' posts so far I'm pretty sure I could also find ways to make other people look useless if I really wanted to. And that's how it currently look like - people are saying Ryu is useless but he's given us a lot of stances now and his vote is not unjustified. That looks more like looking for a scapegoat than hunting for scum.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

And now on to Rox'

@Gheb - you seem you think that me stating that his claim is scummy is in terrible logic. In normal circumstances, I would agree with this. However, me and Roxy both feel that in the context of the claim, combined with our personal thoughts on DatHydra makes it seem like a scum claim to us.

Nice circular logic?

"In the context of his claim and because of what we think his claim looks scummy." That equals to "we think he's scummy". Well thanks Cpt. Obvious but how about some "logos" here? Why *do* you think he's scummy? Last time I checked he responded to all your points adequately so if "his claim is scummy" because *he himself* is scummy then you're still failing to point out how. Your "person thoughts" mean little if you can't back it up and the claim - outside of any context - is not scummy but inherently null.

Bad arguments like these are exactly why a Hydra wagon was looking less and less like an option for me.

Cooperate or die.
Vote: Red Ryu

Looking it at the following sequence of posts I'm fairly certain that you are the one who's not cooperating:

HoS: Red Ryu like
what
the
****

umm... if you're going to be useless... you should go be useless while dead so you don't hinder the game.

Stop skimming and read what RR's posted. In context, it should make sense since everything he is doing is anti-town.

These are textbook nudges to subdue the scumhunting attempts of a less experienced players and gives you a nice cop-out to hop an easy wagon. None of these quotes have to intention to give him any chance to make a solid-looking response [which he managed to do anyway] and you're blatantly exaggerating by claiming he's useless, a direct hindrance to the town and that "everything" he does is anti-town. These aren't legit arguments but big words to knock down any chance for him to show you wrong - the fact that you actively try to exclude this option shows that *you* are the one who's not cooperating here.

This compounds to my earlier accusation that you're not looking for constructive solution to issues [when you turned DH's claim against him].

Red Ryu clearly is only out for his own self-preservation, going as far to not even read anything JUST posted by anyone else.

You have -GOT- to be kidding me!

unvote
Vote: Red Ryu

Considering how much you're exaggerating to get him lynched the self-preservation argument could be used against you just as much. Just die already.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

And this:

// longass post on why DH is scum

unvote
Vote : DatHydra

[ebwops the bold vote]

You have -GOT- to be kidding me!

unvote
Vote: Red Ryu

Complete bogus.

 

[RoxPSI]

I'm sorry gheb but I refuse to believe you mean all of that in a serious manner.

I made a big *** post showing the problem we had with hydra before the claim even occurred. You quote it, however you day nothing about it at all. If youre trying to show why I'm scummy, you should be showing why I'm scummy all around. In fact, there is a part of that post that is directed to you, but you wouldn't know unless you read it (i didn't do this on purpose, but I guess I'm glad I forgot to add it).

Also for red ryu, if you read our conversation, you would know exactly why we voted him. Everything he's asked has been answered, one of them in particular being answered 20 or so posts before it. Skimming to the max, oh I'm sorry, is that not a viable reason to vote anymore? I could of sworn it was the last time you started the lynch on hydra. Now my vote is bogus and of no value?

We are okay with both lynches, but oh wait,i think I said that earlier yesterday too! Where are you getting the perception that I'm pushing away from the lynch?
-Roxy

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Are you gonna answer my question, or are you gonna dodge it all day?

 

[RoxPSI]

You seem to be unclear about what I meant,i said no one was on his lynch because of his claim, people were on him because of the fact he was scummy before hand.
He (hydra) was unvoted because rpsi felt your behaviorwas more warranted of one and he wanted me to re read to ensure our view on hydra was consistent and we weren't tunneling. We are back and forth because both of youlook scummy to us, and if one of you for some reason doesn't die the other should.

@Glyph- How do you feel about ask of this? You have yet to give any insight on any of this, and with constant activity youre only going to be a problem later.

-Roxy

 

[Vult Redux]

Asidoh,

How do you feel about Tandora's last few posts?/Would you be willing to jump on her wagon with me?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

/fence-sitting until further notice.

 

[Asdioh]

Asidoh

I'm not sure yet. I'll be back in a bit after eating some food and reread the last couple pages.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

I made a big *** post showing the problem we had with hydra before the claim even occurred.

Emphasis mine.
That's already a huge problem.

Just sum up to what his actions amount and form two or three strong, clear accusations out of it. A long case with big, empty words doesn't impress me. Make your stance clear and impossible to miss then I'm willing to talk about it. You literally make it a pain to even respond to what you say so you shouldn't be surprised if I don't give a **** about your case.

If youre trying to show why I'm scummy, you should be showing why I'm scummy all around.

See, now it's you who doesn't respond to my posts even though - unlike you - I don't write huge walls of text that make it impossible to understand the point behind it or a pain in the *** to respond to. I have posted my reasons twice and you haven't directly tried to prove either wrong.

In fact, there is a part of that post that is directed to you, but you wouldn't know unless you read it (i didn't do this on purpose, but I guess I'm glad I forgot to add it).

Once again showing that you're not being cooperative. Since you insist now that it's important for me to see you should've understood that there's no point in burying it in a wall of text between generic accusations.

 

[Purple]

Didn't you write something that hydra missed and asked a question about and you said it shouldn't be hard to read and clearly see your view? As a townie you should be reading, so it shouldn'tbe a problem.

Also the main point is freaking bolded for easy access to anyone who wants to read my main reason

-Roxy

 

[RoxPSI]

It is.

Why would he try to play a noob card and then switch right away or claim he was switching, for all we know that could have been his usual play and the flip was him just trying to change strats.

So you think it's bad to change up your play when it's not working? Do you feel that it may be detrimental to town to try to fix the errors of one's ways. If someone is playing in a way that is detrimental to town ,e.g. lurking, I think that we can all agree that it is much better for town. In this example it's going from a noob town to an experienced town. It is better and more helpful to town if we have someon that can actively participate as a member of town and post intelligently.
Of course this is assuming that his strategy wasn't exactly what he had said. If he wasn't lying, there's no reason to worry? Do you feel that there would be reason to worry if he wasn't lying? Do you feel that if he was lying and just trying to play like a more experienced player that it would be bad for town?

The people he listed was close enough to a full list that I did not want to post it.

He posted like what, 6 people and only asked for you to analyze four? (assuming I'm not a total ****** and have terrible memory)

I'm posting the stances on things I notice and what I see therefore I'm doing more than being a rock.

Your stances so far are comparable to a person afraid to go into the water. Instead you seem to just be putting your toe in and freaking out. You give us a small little stance, like sticking your toe in, but then you don't elaborate which in the metaphor would actually be jumping in. We want you to be able to add to the conversation, we need you to be in the pool. We need you to be active in this game. We will never win if we have inactives/lurkers/coasters/ w/e you want to call them, dragging town down. It's the easiest way to win as scum and we should make sure there are no lurkers.

And look at the context of what you quoted, it was something that was not a one liner.

Hardly, I barely got any of your viewpoint from it. Your viewpoint cannnot be entirely established from a few sentences in a single post. You can do a few senetences when you're having a conversation because it accumulates. However, if you simply are stating your stances, you're going to have to give more information, or engage in an argument/conversation about your stances.

The premise of what I was being asked is something I was not confortable with, a few people are fine, asking a list is not cool.

While I understand that you want to make sure that scum does not know who your town picks are, we sort of need to know who you find scummy and why. Why do you feel that town not knowing who you think is scummy particularlly bad?

Avoiding a mislynch is better than knowing killing a townie, although in this case there is nothing to prove me to be a townie now is there.

Yeah, you can't confirm that you're town until you prove your worth as town. Which lurkers can never do.

I am trying to win for town, and my style is still bad because I always get a scum vibe from everyone.

Refine it! You can not get better if you don't actively play.

-rPSI

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I'd love to contribute, but there isn't much to, besides what RR asked me.

Rox Vs. DH in a nutshell

DH claims one-shot watcher
Rox jumps all over it.

personally, i can see why rox jumps, but he says "oh sorry i'm a noob i didn't know." well..you are, but..it's pretty obvious that you shouldn't claim your role unless you have something that actually benefits town; you are just claiming to save yourself FMPOV.

Thoughts before: makes sense.

Thoughts after all of this: i smell tunneling, even though you voted DH in the first place for tunneling me himself.

Honestly: to clear that up, i don't feel as if he was tunneling me, but more-so (AS I HAVE RECENTLY STATED) to test me.

Really, i began pressuring him, i called out all his posts and...

As i see, Hydra and both kuz are now keeping tabs on this thread, good.
Unvote: Gheb_01 Vote: DatHydra

perhaps this will provoke you more to actually say stuff besides non-chalant crap.

Really, i'm gonna just say this, but why did you guys have a bias on me when i posted this?
why didn't you say I WAS tunneling?
was it because i was 'inexperienced'?

why do you guys still keep the town tab on me?
did you guys only BW after i stated i was playing noobtown?

really, i know it's offtopic, but i go away for the longest time and noone even accuses me, says anything about me, nothing.

if someone were to vote me (pre-stating that i had not made this post) would you consider them scum?

really, i'm curious.

 

[Purple]

Just like you didnt repeat your information for hydra, why should get any better treatment? Go look again, look at the bolded comment in my post, and find what was meant for you while we're at it. I can't edit, so I couldn't add at gheb; it wasnt my intent to point something out at you,i was only reading through DH, your ignoring points I've said in separate posts. Yeah, you think big cases are scummy, good for you, but that doesn't make that a solid truth.

-Roxy

 

[hidajiremi]

I need to revise my opinion about RR. The following post put up a big red flag for me:

He's dumb town and grasping at straws for lynches, which is far worse than Hydra's stuff. He has a few OMGUS moments around looking at some posts. Then there was his stance on wanting to Lynch Radium based on his posts being pictures instead of words, that I felt like wasn't worthy of a lynch at all. His cases are weak and seem to be slightly masking himself as town. I feel like I am doing the same but his are a lot more noticeable compared to other including myself.

Bolded for emphasis. RR says that he's doing the same stuff as I am, but that his efforts are somehow town while mine are scum. He's attempting to defend DH and shift guilt toward me at the same time. It's a ridiculous stance presented as boldly as possible in order to seem reasonable. "He does the same stuff as me... but his stuff is worse!" If you say it enough times, maybe people will believe it.

More opinions later, after I've had a chance to grab some food, but for now:

Unvote
Vote: RedRyu

 

[Purple]

It's because we feel youre town. That's about it. Read my big post on soup; if not all of it read the bolded part.

-Roxy

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

i know this sounds like a press but..could you please answer the questions, i will look at your big post too, and look at everyone else.

 

[Purple]

Hida, read comments on hydra, thoughts?

-Roxy

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

and i mean like in your opnion now then just some past post.

anyways.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

fml, i need to go.

V/LA until monday, god.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Hida left out a key part of my post on him.

His cases seem weak or are attacking really nit picky or odd things sometimes that don't really lead well. Hydra pulling his stance being a Hydra I can understand that, his one like RoxPSI telling me to be more active not so much.

Why did you leave this out and cheery pick from my post?

Also nice OMGUS

I'll get to RoxPSI is a sec.

 

[Radical Fiction]

/fence-sitting until further notice.

Don't do that

 

[Radical Fiction]

Rox Vs. DH in a nutshell

DH claims one-shot watcher
Rox jumps all over it.

Scum scale just tipped from noob town to leaning scum.

 

[hidajiremi]

Why did you leave this out and cheery pick from my post?

Also nice OMGUS

Way to portray an accusation as an OMGUS. That's the second time you've said that without it actually being true. An OMGUS involves you voting for someone who's currently voting for you, which you aren't, as far as I can tell. It's not an OMGUS if you're picking apart someone's attack on you. It's a defense.

If you think my trains of thought are odd, it's only because you don't know what motivates them. My "nitpicks" are attempts to pull information out of small things--really big things are usually null tells, but people often let in information with their written tics, minor habits, and similar unconscious things. And in what way are my cases "weak" ever since I've been doing longer posts? You use that word, but you never define what you mean by it.

 

[Radical Fiction]

Unvote Vote JTB

@JTB

Am I scum?
Is Tandora scum?
Is Soupa town?
Who looks worse, RR or Asdioh?

 

[hidajiremi]

Hida, read comments on hydra, thoughts?

Have to wait until after 10pm EST tonight, sorry. Posted up a couple of things on lunch break, but I'm gonna be swamped until then. I'll see if I can't make some time when I finally get home, though.

 

[DatHydra]

Response to RoxPSI's most recent case on us. I'll be reading the rest of the thread soon.

This is the main problem. He only hounded Soup to clear his name, why would hounding soup do any justice when Gheb was the one with the main problem? His view of Soup was slowly dwindling into a lynch, however never was said as such, now that he admits that he still feels soup is town, it gives all of his conversation thus far no merit; he has not been scumhunting granted his constant conversing throughout the past few days.

#119 - I make my first post
#120 Gheb makes his reply to that post.
#122 Soup makes his reply to that post.
#130 I respond to both.
Between #130 to 147 Soup makes more posts
#147 Gheb replies again
Between #147 and #170 Soup makes more posts which we respond to
#170 An hour later from Gheb's post, RoxPSI answers for us.

We didn't respond to Gheb immediately because Gheb's response was stronger than Soup's and would take more time to respond to. By the time we has discussed things you already had made a reply to Gheb's post.

Gheb's next post comes after Soup's unvote, we respond to him promptly.

So your main issue is that we wern't scumhunting in ~7 hours into the game, and ~3 hours of our first post (besides the initial RVS post), within 50 posts?

My focus remains on soup early game because

A) He constantly responds
B) There was very little to respond to, most players had not activelty posted
C) His vote remained on us. I no longer focused on him when he unvoted.

I never said I agreed with all your points, mostly the one about voting Soup despite thinking he is town, and just wanting to get him gone because of him being a detriment in lylo.

What was meant by this was that we particularly disagreed with voting soup just because you felt he was noobtown and would be useless in lylo.

No, his case did NOT fall flat, you were on Soup all day, feeling that he was town, and never pulling away to actually scum hunt thus far.

looooool.

Tunneling is focusing on one player with intent to lynch.

So were we tunneling Soup at the start? Or were we not scumhunting? Make up your mind.

Shows uncertainty in if i'm buddying, but now that the seat's hot, it's suddenly "RoxPSI's buddying and is 100% scum" please.

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12291620&postcount=600

Every part of my case against you is AFTER we question Gheb about buddying (except the buddying part).