Diddy Kong Racing Mafia! [Finished! Town Wins!]

[#HBC | J]

Seph I will hold your hand till the end of this game JUST CUZ we can.

Do people have a problem with me and Seph being an alliance?

 

[X1-12]

@Kuz: gimme a read of Seph based at least partly on his #160

@Seph: Are you holding hands with J on general principle of you and him being bros or whatever, or because of something that he's done this game?

 

[Dooms]

I'd prefer no hand holding, because it could be town and scum, but from what I know about Seph and J, I understand why they would do so.

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

I told J during sign ups, I'd take him to lylo regardless of alignment.

 

[Dooms]

I'm voting you as soon as the day starts.

 

[#HBC | J]

I promised Seph the same thing.

 

[Dooms]

Why... would you two... UGH

I can't believe I'm already mad before the game even started.

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

@Dark Horse

i hope you do realize this is pre-game.

A really lively one were people have been discussing things that related to this game that at least led places. You, on the other hand, was trolling an creating a mess.

No excuse.

and why would you take that kirby thing serious?

Because truth can be found in humor?

Also, if you excpect to push for the ball of WIFOM so hard, yet then try to cover it up with "it's just a joke...", you seem to be getting desperate, such as desperate scum trying to not get himself lynched.

another thing, when i said i'm going to be here awhile, i meant Dgames in general, not this game, so i would rather start acting properly then just WIFOM and troll.

Why did you now just respond to it, after 100-something posts? Why not earlier?

X1, why are some of your broader questions (I.E: if joey's pre-game panic was pro town or not)

J, why did you vote me early on, but now your reluctant to vote Joey "until the game starts"? What's the difference?

 

[ranmaru]

Joey: Town can do that. Don't worry. Vote someone else.

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

DP's read on Soup is horrid. I mean, WIFOM isn't a scum tell. It's ALWAYS a null tell.

Seph, two things:

1. Actually READ my paragraph of stuff against soup. There are some things that have nothing to do with the wifom, and some can apply to most actions.

2. Give me a reason why a townie would wifom. I've given mine about how it's a scumtell.

That's why it's WIFOM. It's circular and gets no where

Exactly the point.

Gets nowhere, yet you have to think about it.

A perfect way to distract someone.

Who wants to distract the town, in an effort to stop the town from winning by could their scumhunting senses? Scum.


Seph, here's some basic math: Null + Scum + Scum= ?. 0+-2 is 0, so why shouldn't the same logic apply here?

 

[ranmaru]

@X1:

Anti-town. It's an ongoing game.

I feel as though Soupa came in expecting some silly business and instead was pressured, and backed down. Newb null for now.

I disagree with DH's Soup stance. I'd like more substantiation when it comes to Soupa.

I'd prefer no hand holding, because it could be town and scum, but from what I know about Seph and J, I understand why they would do so.

Where do you understand they might be town? Yet you said you'd be voting them on D1?

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

EBWOP: "0+-2=0" should be "0+-2=-2"

 

[Dooms]

Hand holding vs Making sure someone gets into lylo... honestly, they're two completely different things in my opinion. They're both not town in any way unless you have near 100% proof that the person you're holding hands with and making sure they get into lylo is town. Agreeing to put someone into LYLO before you even get your role and sticking to it is really scummy in my opinion. Why would someone feel the need to do that if they were town? One of them has to be scum.

Ran. Stop telling me what to do. Why would I not vote for the person that I think is scummy? Town can kill their confirmed cop. Does that mean that they do it? Not at all. It's not townie to guarantee someone a LYLO spot in any way, shape, or form. Why those two would do so as town... I don't know. I doubt they're both town.

Ran that is EXACTLY what we were talking about when we say to proof read your posts. I have no idea what your last comment is saying. Where do I understand they might be town? What? I said that hand holding can be town v scum. I never said that it was the case right now? I will be voting for one of them when the game starts because quite honestly, that's the only really scummy thing I've seen so far this game.

 

[Dooms]

Lol Dark Horse. I was gonna call you out on that but you got to it before me :C

 

[UTDZac]

I don't understand why people are still posting. I won't be reading any posts that happen before the Day starts, since ya know, the game hasn't begun yet!!

 

[ranmaru]

I agree with you, DH. The discussion was good, and it did lead places.

I think Soupa was telling you that so you could go "LESS SRS" on him.

 

[ranmaru]

I'd prefer no hand holding, because it could be town and scum, but from what I know about Seph and J, I understand why they would do so.

You say "From what I know of Seph and J"

and I mean to ask "What do you know of Seph and J that would help you understand why they would do so?"

I thought you meant that they'd be both town, but that was a misunderstanding on my part.

Vote whoever you think is scummy. (I just don't want town voting town, you get me?)

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

I agree with you, DH. The discussion was good, and it did lead places.

I think Soupa was telling you that so you could go "LESS SRS" on him.

And why would a townie want to do anything like that?

Trying to make someone "less Srs" when attacking you is an act of self-preservation. Townies don't have to do it, as getting lynched would provide the town with reads to catch scum. Scum flips also helps cath scum, which makes the game harder for scum. Therefore, they need to survive.

 

[ranmaru]

I think it's a newbie tell. It's null. Although I do not know how experienced he is, I am assuming he is pretty new.

Let's see what his scum picks are, k?

You are correct, sir. Yet, you forget, if it's a newbie tell, then it'd be harder to a read from him. So lynching a newb town would be bad because they probably wouldn't have much connections to help town later.

If he were newb scum, I guess it'd help town. Just pressure him more, alright? That way, we can see if he cracks.

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

I don't understand why people are still posting. I won't be reading any posts that happen before the Day starts, since ya know, the game hasn't begun yet!!

This really isn't hurting anyone other than yourself. But I don't blame you for not wanting to read the first 8 pages. (15ppp)

Hand holding vs Making sure someone gets into lylo... honestly, they're two completely different things in my opinion. They're both not town in any way unless you have near 100% proof that the person you're holding hands with and making sure they get into lylo is town. Agreeing to put someone into LYLO before you even get your role and sticking to it is really scummy in my opinion. Why would someone feel the need to do that if they were town? One of them has to be scum.

Joey, it's a fun thing I thought I'd try out. And I don't follow your logic. How is keeping my irl promise = me scum?

 

[Dooms]

Ran, I'm just saying that I know that Seph and J talk a lot through aim and such, and they generally agree on most things. Plus Seph tells us to stop calling J a girl *troll.jpg*

That is all that I was referring to. Why would you promise someone that in general Seph? you don't know if they're town, indy, or scum. AND you promised it without caring what alignment he is. That is not town in any way, shape, or form.

 

[#HBC | J]

Joey, I promised the EXACT same thing to Seph. If you wanna get on him, you must get on me as well.

We can hold-hands because we be bros and can do some real damage.

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

Seph, two things:

1. Actually READ my paragraph of stuff against soup. There are some things that have nothing to do with the wifom, and some can apply to most actions.

2. Give me a reason why a townie would wifom. I've given mine about how it's a scumtell.

1. Those action you state are easily dismissed by Soups bad play. But if you want to pursue it, be my guess. I'll be over here looking for scum tells in the mean time.

2. Idk, I wouldn't know the reason to that, or would I? Look at Swisses play in most of the games he's in. He lives off WIFOM and he makes it work. Town can use WIFOM, it's just a matter if you take your time to think and get distracted by it or not.

Exactly the point.

Gets nowhere, yet you have to think about it.

A perfect way to distract someone.

Who wants to distract the town, in an effort to stop the town from winning by could their scumhunting senses? Scum.

You only get distracted by it if you let it. If something smells like wine, dismiss it immediately.

 

[ranmaru]

Seph: I can understand where Joey is coming from. He is worried that one of you may be trusting scum, but it seems you both trust each other and will risk that to catch scum. That is how I see it.

I'm experimenting myself, with trust. I think that's the thing Joey.

Trust. People trust. How else can town do anything together without at least trusting each other? Sure, they must be careful. But if they don't trust, they'll only think of their own survival, and betray their trustees.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

What in the. Am I going to have to reread all that? Meta-Kirby specifically stated that the game hasn't started yet.

 

[Dooms]

J

I'm holding it against both of you fully and completely.

 

[#HBC | J]

But you've only been attacking Seph.....?

 

[Dooms]

Tery, yes, you will have to read these past 5 pages.

 

[Dooms]

Notice that after you said that you agreed to it too, that I stopped saying names. I just referred to you two as "them" or "they"

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

1. Those action you state are easily dismissed by Soups bad play. But if you want to pursue it, be my guess. I'll be over here looking for scum tells in the mean time.

Seph, what if you clearing soup off of meta comes back to bite you in the ***? More importantley, why are you trying to ignore everything against soup simply because of his relatively new time here? Why are you trying to clear him off of bad playing?

2. Idk, I wouldn't know the reason to that, or would I? Look at Swisses play in most of the games he's in. He lives off WIFOM and he makes it work. Town can use WIFOM, it's just a matter if you take your time to think and get distracted by it or not.

Swiss is Swiss.

Now, seph, how will soup encouraging people to wifom him will in any way help town?

You only get distracted by it if you let it. If something smells like wine, dismiss it immediately.

Your giving people advice on how to stop it, the opposite of it's goal.

Wether it can be stopped or not does not affect the goal.

Bad vibe from seph, which would escalate upon a scumflip by soup. Some of his points are seeming just trying to get as much as he can against it (ex: his Swiss point: he doesn't seem to consider how the wifom could be different). Some of his points aren't thought-out (for example, how is defense against wifom confusion is more of advice than a defense) [both of these point to scum trying Serbs their scumbuddy, hoping the attacker would back off]. in addition, he seems to be clearing soup and everything shaky him entirely off of meta [Way to risky as town. Seph is hoping that soup is of the same alignment. Scum would know this, so seph could be more careless)

 

[X1-12]

I don't understand why people are still posting. I won't be reading any posts that happen before the Day starts, since ya know, the game hasn't begun yet!!

.....? But the role PMs are out so any posts here could reflect someone's alignment. Not reading these posts is anti-town surely?

@Tery: Read the above line, it doesn't matter if the game hasn't started. Reads can still be gained from this time so yeah you should read it

X1, why are some of your broader questions (I.E: if joey's pre-game panic was pro town or not)

what does this even mean?

@Seph: I actually agree with DH that WIFOM in itself telling, but a player generating an unncessary amount of WIFOM is scummy because it distracts town, and since you mention it Swiss is an exception - Soup is not. Also who cares if it only distracts us if we let it, why would townSoup create any wine in the first place?

Also @Seph: if someone claims a guilty on J will you lynch him? Are there any scenarios when you WONT take him to LYLO? Will you even bother trying to read him in the time running up to LYLO?

I don't think this Seph/J thing will be quite as bad as it seems. @Joey: I suggest you just try to play around it, we can still get one or both of them lynched if they are scummy.

@DH: Hit me up with a read on someone who's not Soup or Seph. Preferably tell me your second scum pick and then comment on whether you think that player could be on a team with Soup.

@Ran: I don't think Soup will crack under pressure, he's too arrogant from his EM rep. I also think Soup is more experienced than you think he is so be wary when dismissing his actions as noobscum. Also you shouldn't think in terms of "Do I trust this player" but more a combination of "Do I believe this player to be town" and "Do I believe this player's read to be correct"

@Joey: Seph is actually right, him being dumb because of that promise (no offence sephbro) doesn't mean he's scum. If you think one of them needs to go because the promise is so harmful to town, then read them both and decide which is more likely to be scum, then make a convincing argument as to why its worth wasting a lynch on them or why that player is legitimately scum, regardless of their connection to the other.

@Ran: I'm putting trust in you, don't you feel special? If Joey gets hung up on this Seph/J thing just calmly and concisely re-iterate the paragraph above. Remember anti-town =/= scummy.

@Kuz: caaattcchhh uuuuupppp.

This is likely my last post till Tuesday afternoon. I need to take a break from maf for a day so I actually get this coursework done, don't worry I'll catch up on tues and I won't be lagging behind.

 

[#HBC | J]

Why is X1-12 trying so hard even before the game starts...

it's so weird.

Seph/Ran you seeing what I am considering what you have seen of X1?

 

[Dooms]

X1, I know that. Lol. I'm not going to be keeping my vote on them, but the only thing I really find scummy and dislike so far in this game is that, so it's where my vote will be when the day starts. Is there really a problem within' that?

 

[X1-12]

@Joey: Sorry bro, I misinterpreted your post, my bad. I still think it'd be awesome if you looked over Seph/J and decided which of the two was more scummy and also if you believe they could be on a scum-team together

@kuz: Don't comment on #192 yet

 

[#HBC | J]

I didn't even ask Kuzi so why would he respond?

 

[Dooms]

All for when the game starts ^_^. Sorry that I can't form an opinion on that this early in the game. Not enough information yet in my opinion.

 

[ranmaru]

@X1: Ah, thank you. Hmmm ok, I will keep that in mind. That will help with my read on Soup then. It would also make me lean a little bit closer to town for DH then.

Thank you, that is a very good way to put it.

And yes, I'll do that.

@J: I think this is town x1. I've seen it before. Even if not, he is giving discussion and I like it so far.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

@Tery & Today: Do you agree with me that Joey's #78, #84 etc are town tells?

@Tery: How do you feel about J refusing to answer questions now, despite earlier calling Joey scum for doing the same?

From what I know of a town tell, Joey is just arguing in the interest of fairness.

Uhh, I don't think playing like a hypocrite is the same as playing Mafia. However, it might be something to look into once the game actually starts.

 

[X1-12]

Lets just say "Time will tell"

 

[X1-12]

Lets just say "Time will tell"

This was a response to #195