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Diddy Kong Racing Mafia! [Finished! Town Wins!]

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@Kuz: Taking anything important from #198? You should be. Notice how I phrase the top question and how Tery answers it. Give me a Tery read around about now plz too.
 

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@Seph: I actually agree with DH that WIFOM in itself telling, but a player generating an unncessary amount of WIFOM is scummy because it distracts town, and since you mention it Swiss is an exception - Soup is not. Also who cares if it only distracts us if we let it, why would townSoup create any wine in the first place?

Also @Seph: if someone claims a guilty on J will you lynch him? Are there any scenarios when you WONT take him to LYLO? Will you even bother trying to read him in the time running up to LYLO?
Game mechanics like Night results on J and myself are the exception to the contract. If the cop get's a guilty on him I'll lynch him, just as I would expect him to do the same to me. But other than that I'm not lynching him till lylo. And obviously I'll be reading him just like I would everyone else.

What do you think of Soup atm? I want to know your read on him. Also, what made you decide to make that deal with DP?

@J: atm, I'm getting a town vibe from X1. What you call trying to hard, I call scum hunting. I think this whole thread needs to start trying too hard.
 

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Cop: Joey. His concerns for fairness don't seem legitimate when he says that he wouldn't wait for Kirb.
 

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Kirbyoshi is randomly V/LA

How is it fair for every other player when we have no idea when Kirbyoshi will be back? Please give details on how that would be fair.
 

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Joey, you do realize you are being conflicting to your previous view of waiting till the day actually starts correct?
 

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@X1

In response to your first question, for example, you had asked tery &Today if joey's post were townish or not. You could have asked anyone this, but you asked just those people.

That reminds me: Joey, why did you say "let's have x1 think he's town"

In response to you second question:

J has been an oddity ever since the pregame started. When I had told soup why changing your playstyle was not good, J immediately swoops down and attacks me. However, when he first attacks me, he mentions how many times I've been lynched. Why would he need to mention this if he were town (think, if I said never, he could have easily used that against me later {"DH has been lynched every single game..." yadda yadda yadda}. in addition, J's argument has flaws. When I point that out, he Instead ignores it, dismissing it with "I'm not even going to argue with this any more". When I respond to it, he just says one-liners that do nothing [such as "LOL" and "*facepalm*"] He then proceeds to vote me for this {He could be easily trying to convince people to follow him, creating a scapegoat]. all throughout this, he is chainsaw defending soup, with questioning why I would "suddenley attack him" [Notice how he isnt thinking of how soup is covering himself in a ball of WIFOM ATT], and he also claims that my FoS was anti-town [he's pulling at straws here. Not everyone had talked yet, and I wanted to see if more scum could be found]. After that, he then claims that Joey is scum for not wanting any talking until the day started, and claiming he was "scrambling for town points" {yet he didn't explain how, iirc...another scapegoat?} He then claims thy he's going to voted Joey right when the day starts [I don't see the difference, and I don't think any other townies would....so why J?)

And we're here.
 

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J I'll pull up a quote in a second that clears that.

Seph, no. You had the chance to confirm and you are fully aware that the game is going.
 

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I don't think I said anything like that. Please pull up a quote so I can explain it better?
 

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I'm not calling them disrespectful people. I'm saying that their actions are disrespectful.

I'm not commenting on players until Day 1 has officially started or until everyone is ready.
Notice that I say "or until everyone is ready"? Everyone is ready except the Kirbyoshi that I already talked about. I don't see how I'm contradicting myself with this post.
 

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I think Joey's previous concerns should be considered, though.

Kirb didn't confirm yet. That's one playerslot that could be scum. Why would you start before he confirms? Do you know something?

If he doesn't confirm, then the mod should replace him soon.
 

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Just remembered

Concerning J being soup's scumbud: J's chainsaw points to a scummy relation [especially his responses. They're like grabbing at straws, like seph] though he's been known to do this before. The biggest link is indirectly. Seph and J's buddying really doesn't give off a good vibe {so sure they want to go to Lylo? They don't even seem co sidering each other being scum, which is something that I would be careful about. They're too careless.} in additon, as I previously stated, seph is probably soup's scum bud.

So therefore:

J is seph's scumbud
Soup is seph's scumbud
J and soup are scum

J/seph/soup seems more likely, the more I thi k about it.
 

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I'm not even trying to insult you. I'm saying that it's disrespectful to start a game when everyone isn't here and ready. Starting Day 1 early isn't fair for anyone. You're not getting all of the opinions that you need to make a convincing argument or anything along those lines. I'm saying that you shouldn't start day 1 until it officially starts or until everything is ready. I'm also saying that people shouldn't have to catch up in a game before they even confirm. Fair chance because you had the chance to confirm and not have to read two pages before doing so, while half of the player list is going to have to read 2 or more pages because of you all trying to start day 1 early and without half of the players. That's not fair. People can't confirm right away. People shouldn't have to deal with there being two pages before they even confirm. I do deny that completely. It's disrespectful to start a game without everyone, in many ways.

Do you start a board game while someones in the restroom? Not if you're trying to respect that person. What about if half of the people playing aren't at your house to play yet? Not if you're trying to respect that person. You're not respecting your friends and fellow players when you try to start the game early.
People have lives. They can't be here to confirm. You all trying to start without them is really unfair for them. I've talked to people about this, and they really REALLY don't like it. It's rude to start a game without everyone ready.

J you can say whatever you want. I have the people on my side in this argument and you might as well know it. People get aggervated at you and your playstyle because of moves like this, and honestly it's really aggervating myself and from what I understand, it's not anti-town to wait for everyone.
Are you all really starting before we have everyone?
J. Stop.

Wait for everyone to confirm. Seriously. -_-.
Because everyone hasn't confirmed yet?

Seriously. People don't like having to start the game before they even have the chance to confirm. Sorry if that doesn't sit well with you. You're not giving everyone the fair chance to start the game strong and you're making them play catchup very early. Especially since half of the people haven't confirmed. You're just being disrespectful. :/
I'm not calling anyone scummy for this. I'm calling it disrespectful to the people that haven't confirmed yet.
I'll admit that it did contradict one or two of my posts because I didn't mention this, but I figure that I mentioned it in enough posts to where it's obvious that this is how I feel.

More quotes that say I'll wait until everyone has confirmed.
 

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I wasn't saying any of that so we could catch scum. I was saying that so everyone had the fair chance to start.

Honestly, one person being V/LA and not saying anything about it (meaning that we have no idea how long he'll be gone) shouldn't keep us from playing.
 

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I am saying that broski.

how do you know if he is v/la if he didn't say anything about it?

I said, that playerslot could hold a potential scum. You are willing to scumhunt on people looking for possibly 1 scum instead of 2?
 

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There is 2 scum in this game? Nice to know.

Because I looked at his stats and noticed that he hasn't posted since march 10th.

Sure. If that makes you feel better. You're not understanding my point. I don't think that the game should have to wait for someone that is V/LA but didn't tell anyone about it. Point and point. If he's gone for too long, then he will get subbed. 1 person being gone when we have 12 other people to focus on... really won't change the results much.
 

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Ran, joey knowing that kirb is V/La isn't a scumslip. For that to be true, krib would have had to said os in a place like the scum QT. However, kirb hasn't even confirmed yet. Therefore, he doesn't know his role, and he can't post in the QT until he knows his role.
 

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True. Although I was thinking if Joey was scum, he would wait for his scumbuddy, and disregard whoever else might not be able to confirm.

If not, why can't Joey just wait until the person who can sub, confirm?
 

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Why should we have to wait for 1 person that randomly left?

It seems that based on him logging onto skype, that I can assume that he's back though. Welcome back!
 

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It seems that he logged onto skype, and logged off before getting on smashboards. I want to move on now more than ever.
 

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Can we get a replacement for Kirbyoshi?
 

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My schedule changed, frickin wimmin'
What do you think of Soup atm? I want to know your read on him. Also, what made you decide to make that deal with DP?
Read on soup is still the same, he's useless and really not caring about being useless. Weak scum read

The deal with DH came for three reasons, firstly that when I can see his full thought process its much harder for him to hide as scum, much as the logic might not follow 100% in your or my eyes, its easy to see how DH is reaching that conclusion using his chain of logic and ergo see that he is being genuine. Secondly I'm pretty sure some the newbies on this sight just say stuff because they've overheard it or something. "Skimming is scummy" Is it? No its not, it just indicates **** play. If I make a newb post full reasoning for why that action is scummy then it reduces the chance of them getting caught up over something that's not actually a scumtell. Thirdly if he's posting his actual thought process I'll just look for holes in it and point them out if they exist, but if he just posts his conclusion which may (or may not have) been reached via a logical error, then I'll just get annoyed and act irrationally, probably calling him scum for it.

@Roxy: Do you remember Majora's Mask Mafia particularly well?

DH said:
In response to your first question, for example, you had asked tery &Today if joey's post were townish or not. You could have asked anyone this, but you asked just those people.
I'ma have to explain this after kuz responds to my #201. You might have to remind me but there is good reasoning for why I asked just those two

@DH: Do you not believe J and Seph that they made this agreement pre-game? Also please link/quote what post(s) you are talking about when you say "J's chainsaw"

dunno how active I'll be yesterday I'm supposed to be working in the evening and going out :/ If there's any questions addressed to you, answer them plz =]
 

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I would believe it if they have solid proof of this (I.E, posts in the signup thread, and to a lesser extend AIM logs), that I somehow missed. Right, now, I don't see anything.

As for J chainsawing, it goes back to here:

Why the sudden confrontational ism and dropping of weak little things like FoS's?
He continues this in a short-lived argument with me.

this was right after I had asked soup why he had backed down after I had FoSed it. I initially didn't think about it, as J has a reputation for chainsawing newbies (Just look at DnD). however, it is still a connection, and would point to soup upon a scumJ flip (As to seriously, I don't see a townie defending soup like that, attacking like that seems to point to desperate scum). the scummier J gets, the more I'm certain that the chainsaw should be noted.
 

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I've seen Kirbyoshi on skype 3 times during the past two days randomly, none of which he has posted in here.

I don't know what's going on, but

@Mod, request prod through skype?
 

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Don't you dare slander my name by saying I have a reputation for chainsawing n00bies by using an example that is just an extremely poor game of mine.

You are even using it incorrectly. I have my reason for why you are scum besides "chainsaw" as you put it.
 

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@Ran, you shouldn't follow J. That will lead to disaster as always in every sense of every possible meaning of everything. You should follow me out of pity because I am in Japan and there are nuclear meltdowns in process that threaten to destroy the earth.

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Yo. J won us Rusty Guillotine. So, this is a lie. Do you still think I shouldn't listen to J?

And why would a townie want to do anything like that?

Trying to make someone "less Srs" when attacking you is an act of self-preservation. Townies don't have to do it, as getting lynched would provide the town with reads to catch scum. Scum flips also helps cath scum, which makes the game harder for scum. Therefore, they need to survive.
I'll re-consider this now that I know Soup might actually know what he is doing.

Seph, what if you clearing soup off of meta comes back to bite you in the ***? More importantley, why are you trying to ignore everything against soup simply because of his relatively new time here? Why are you trying to clear him off of bad playing?



Swiss is Swiss.

Now, seph, how will soup encouraging people to wifom him will in any way help town?





Your giving people advice on how to stop it, the opposite of it's goal.

Wether it can be stopped or not does not affect the goal.

Bad vibe from seph, which would escalate upon a scumflip by soup. Some of his points are seeming just trying to get as much as he can against it (ex: his Swiss point: he doesn't seem to consider how the wifom could be different). Some of his points aren't thought-out (for example, how is defense against wifom confusion is more of advice than a defense) [both of these point to scum trying Serbs their scumbuddy, hoping the attacker would back off]. in addition, he seems to be clearing soup and everything shaky him entirely off of meta [Way to risky as town. Seph is hoping that soup is of the same alignment. Scum would know this, so seph could be more careless)
You clearly ignored my previous post. It's a null tell for now. But, why is Soup not defending himself? Now that I re-read it, I was talking about newb tells. (X1 told me he wasn't inexperienced, so I will refrain from thinking he is a newb) Still, it's pregame. We will see.

Confirming! I'll be gone most of the day, but I should be able to post tonight.
Hey Today, you said earlier you would be able to post. Could we get thoughts? I know this is pre-game.
 

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X1 said:
@Kuz: gimme a read of Seph based at least partly on his #160
IDK. Let me read it.

Seph said:
Ok, people need to calm the **** down.

Tbh everything said before I confirmed has been close to ****.

Lets start things off with.

Joey, we've all received a role PM and now playing the game. So what if they're slow and don't get first posts into the game? It just means that they have to read later on. There really is nothing wrong with starting the game asap.
Parroting.

Bolded bugs me. Dismissed all the tells that could be gathered from the info and tries to portray himself as above the argument without getting his hands dirty.

Seph said:
Kuz, you die D1 right?
What are you talking about here? Are you soft claiming or are you just kidding? If you're referencing what I think you're referencing then thats a D1 lynch not nk. We have used that gambit in aimmaf so much I am suprised you forgot about the specifics of it already. Freudian slip?

Seph said:
DP's read on Soup is horrid. I mean, WIFOM isn't a scum tell. It's ALWAYS a null tell. That's why it's WIFOM. It's circular and gets no where. I don't see why someone using it pre game on the first few pages would be a scum tell imo.
I agree unfortunately. I take wifom as a slight scum tell on most players, but Soup's normal play is in this fashion which, though annoying as ****, is null.

Seph said:
Soup, I pretty much agree with Kuz's accusation of how he needs to learn how to play forum mafia.
Which parts? Don't just summarily agree with everything. Also, if you agree that Soup needs to l2p forum mafia why have you not bothered yourself to tell Soup to stop wifoming?

I would say he is leaning scum. I also feel he is trying to indirectly buddy me, which always sets off danger flags.

Soup still null.

X1 said:
@Kuz: caaattcchhh uuuuupppp.
Why'd you single me out knowing I was traveling and that there were plenty of others farther behind that me?

@Kuz: Taking anything important from #198? You should be. Notice how I phrase the top question and how Tery answers it. Give me a Tery read around about now plz too.
You mean the fact that Tery danced around (piper crumb) your yes or no question and gave an unnecessarily ambiguous response without actually answering the question or taking a stance? Yeah, its a scummy post. Idk and idc about my overall read on him yet, I would have no problem with him dying.


@X1, Dark Horse seems to think that its a Seph/J/Soup team.

Would scumSeph and scumJ openly hold hands in thread? Is Dark Horse smart enough to realize they wouldn't? Is Seph & J TvT TvS or SvS?


Ranmaru said:
Yo. J won us Rusty Guillotine. So, this is a lie. Do you still think I shouldn't listen to J?
Which answer will make me look less scummy?

I take it you must have a hardcore town read on J, then. Considering you believe J to be a stellar player for whatever faction he plays for, you wouldn't want to follow him if he was scum. Or is that your wincon?
 

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No, but it seems you were trying to discredit J since he does win games as town. You said it would always lead to disaster. You were exaggerating.

Eh, it's null for now. I am always cautious of alignment. I'll also look carefully at his (and Seph's) scum picks to see if I disagree with them or not.
 

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@Ran

i'm not responding to DH because i know what he is doing, he is calling me out on something docile, and wants to sheep me and hopefully get me lynched.

he is trying to sound smart, and trying to pressure me to defend myself to get reads on me.

right now, because i have 'wrapped myself in a ball of WIFOM' he does not know anything, and thus he has been waiting for me to respond.
 

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Why'd you single me out knowing I was traveling and that there were plenty of others farther behind that me?
I care about what you're going to say more than I case about most of what others might say.

kuz said:
You mean the fact that Tery danced around (piper crumb) your yes or no question and gave an unnecessarily ambiguous response without actually answering the question or taking a stance? Yeah, its a scummy post. Idk and idc about my overall read on him yet, I would have no problem with him dying.
tsk, nah bro. Missed it. I said to Tery "Do you agree with me that _____?" and Tery doesn't just agree along. More of a town read than a scumread imo from that post and I don't think he really danced around it, its clear he doesn't think its a town tell

@DH: That's why the question was specifically aimed at Tery and Today, I don't really care about his opinion of those posts, but I wanted to see if either one would agree with me or try to buddy me after giving them a massive opportunity to. And yeah I know Today hasn't answered but I don't really about his answer any more, there's more important stuff going on and its not like I'll have trouble reading him once he starts posting.


@X1, Dark Horse seems to think that its a Seph/J/Soup team.

Would scumSeph and scumJ openly hold hands in thread? Is Dark Horse smart enough to realize they wouldn't? Is Seph & J TvT TvS or SvS?
I'm open to either possibility, while its probably more likely they're not scum together its still very possible. Do you not remember Nabe in the scum QT in celebrity saying two scummies should get all friendly because scum never do that with their partners? I'm not completely sold but leaning quite stongly towards TvS


@All (Mainly Ran): You should stop treating J and Seph as some kind of team, read them individually and decide independently of the other whether they are scum. They're still lynchable it just means that we have to lynch them without the other one's vote

@Soup: You are wrong about DH, you don't know what he's doing and he legitimately thinks you are scum. Also play the game properly. Stop trying to be smart, add some content and say something useful. Or replace out, I don't mind.
 

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@X1-X2

then it's a pretty baseless scum read, if that. why is he so positive? because of a WIFOM? because i said i WIFOM? i called it down for reasons out of this game, i stated that i'm going to be here for awhile (and i repeat that i meant dgames in a whole) and i'd rather not troll and WIFOM.

personally, i can see why he thinks me and seph could be scum buddies, but not everyone thinks the same, i still find it more-so as a pressure tool then actual scum read.

and what about you x1? you keep questioning and questioning...why? why are you trying to get reads off of pre-game talk?

also, did i mention we're in pre-game? yeah. wait until the damn game actually starts.

but..i'll humor you, what do you want my opnion o' mighty king?
 

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wow just realized i made a double double post within my post.

stupid ctrl+c..
 

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i hope i'm not mod killed for that, it just looked sloppy.
 

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@Ran

i'm not responding to DH because i know what he is doing, he is calling me out on something docile, and wants to sheep me and hopefully get me lynched.

he is trying to sound smart, and trying to pressure me to defend myself to get reads on me.

right now, because i have 'wrapped myself in a ball of WIFOM' he does not know anything, and thus he has been waiting for me to respond.
Yo. Did I ask you that? Why did you feel like telling me what DH was doing?

@All (Mainly Ran): You should stop treating J and Seph as some kind of team, read them individually and decide independently of the other whether they are scum. They're still lynchable it just means that we have to lynch them without the other one's vote
True. Thank you. Also, may I ask why you are putting your trust in me?
 
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