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@Kuz: Taking anything important from #198? You should be. Notice how I phrase the top question and how Tery answers it. Give me a Tery read around about now plz too.
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Game mechanics like Night results on J and myself are the exception to the contract. If the cop get's a guilty on him I'll lynch him, just as I would expect him to do the same to me. But other than that I'm not lynching him till lylo. And obviously I'll be reading him just like I would everyone else.@Seph: I actually agree with DH that WIFOM in itself telling, but a player generating an unncessary amount of WIFOM is scummy because it distracts town, and since you mention it Swiss is an exception - Soup is not. Also who cares if it only distracts us if we let it, why would townSoup create any wine in the first place?
Also @Seph: if someone claims a guilty on J will you lynch him? Are there any scenarios when you WONT take him to LYLO? Will you even bother trying to read him in the time running up to LYLO?
Notice that I say "or until everyone is ready"? Everyone is ready except the Kirbyoshi that I already talked about. I don't see how I'm contradicting myself with this post.I'm not calling them disrespectful people. I'm saying that their actions are disrespectful.
I'm not commenting on players until Day 1 has officially started or until everyone is ready.
I'm not even trying to insult you. I'm saying that it's disrespectful to start a game when everyone isn't here and ready. Starting Day 1 early isn't fair for anyone. You're not getting all of the opinions that you need to make a convincing argument or anything along those lines. I'm saying that you shouldn't start day 1 until it officially starts or until everything is ready. I'm also saying that people shouldn't have to catch up in a game before they even confirm. Fair chance because you had the chance to confirm and not have to read two pages before doing so, while half of the player list is going to have to read 2 or more pages because of you all trying to start day 1 early and without half of the players. That's not fair. People can't confirm right away. People shouldn't have to deal with there being two pages before they even confirm. I do deny that completely. It's disrespectful to start a game without everyone, in many ways.
Do you start a board game while someones in the restroom? Not if you're trying to respect that person. What about if half of the people playing aren't at your house to play yet? Not if you're trying to respect that person. You're not respecting your friends and fellow players when you try to start the game early.
People have lives. They can't be here to confirm. You all trying to start without them is really unfair for them. I've talked to people about this, and they really REALLY don't like it. It's rude to start a game without everyone ready.
J you can say whatever you want. I have the people on my side in this argument and you might as well know it. People get aggervated at you and your playstyle because of moves like this, and honestly it's really aggervating myself and from what I understand, it's not anti-town to wait for everyone.
Are you all really starting before we have everyone?
J. Stop.
Wait for everyone to confirm. Seriously. -_-.
Because everyone hasn't confirmed yet?
Seriously. People don't like having to start the game before they even have the chance to confirm. Sorry if that doesn't sit well with you. You're not giving everyone the fair chance to start the game strong and you're making them play catchup very early. Especially since half of the people haven't confirmed. You're just being disrespectful. :/
I'll admit that it did contradict one or two of my posts because I didn't mention this, but I figure that I mentioned it in enough posts to where it's obvious that this is how I feel.I'm not calling anyone scummy for this. I'm calling it disrespectful to the people that haven't confirmed yet.
Read on soup is still the same, he's useless and really not caring about being useless. Weak scum readWhat do you think of Soup atm? I want to know your read on him. Also, what made you decide to make that deal with DP?
I'ma have to explain this after kuz responds to my #201. You might have to remind me but there is good reasoning for why I asked just those twoDH said:In response to your first question, for example, you had asked tery &Today if joey's post were townish or not. You could have asked anyone this, but you asked just those people.
He continues this in a short-lived argument with me.Why the sudden confrontational ism and dropping of weak little things like FoS's?
Yo. J won us Rusty Guillotine. So, this is a lie. Do you still think I shouldn't listen to J?@Ran, you shouldn't follow J. That will lead to disaster as always in every sense of every possible meaning of everything. You should follow me out of pity because I am in Japan and there are nuclear meltdowns in process that threaten to destroy the earth.
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I'll re-consider this now that I know Soup might actually know what he is doing.And why would a townie want to do anything like that?
Trying to make someone "less Srs" when attacking you is an act of self-preservation. Townies don't have to do it, as getting lynched would provide the town with reads to catch scum. Scum flips also helps cath scum, which makes the game harder for scum. Therefore, they need to survive.
You clearly ignored my previous post. It's a null tell for now. But, why is Soup not defending himself? Now that I re-read it, I was talking about newb tells. (X1 told me he wasn't inexperienced, so I will refrain from thinking he is a newb) Still, it's pregame. We will see.Seph, what if you clearing soup off of meta comes back to bite you in the ***? More importantley, why are you trying to ignore everything against soup simply because of his relatively new time here? Why are you trying to clear him off of bad playing?
Swiss is Swiss.
Now, seph, how will soup encouraging people to wifom him will in any way help town?
Your giving people advice on how to stop it, the opposite of it's goal.
Wether it can be stopped or not does not affect the goal.
Bad vibe from seph, which would escalate upon a scumflip by soup. Some of his points are seeming just trying to get as much as he can against it (ex: his Swiss point: he doesn't seem to consider how the wifom could be different). Some of his points aren't thought-out (for example, how is defense against wifom confusion is more of advice than a defense) [both of these point to scum trying Serbs their scumbuddy, hoping the attacker would back off]. in addition, he seems to be clearing soup and everything shaky him entirely off of meta [Way to risky as town. Seph is hoping that soup is of the same alignment. Scum would know this, so seph could be more careless)
Hey Today, you said earlier you would be able to post. Could we get thoughts? I know this is pre-game.Confirming! I'll be gone most of the day, but I should be able to post tonight.
IDK. Let me read it.X1 said:@Kuz: gimme a read of Seph based at least partly on his #160
Parroting.Seph said:Ok, people need to calm the **** down.
Tbh everything said before I confirmed has been close to ****.
Lets start things off with.
Joey, we've all received a role PM and now playing the game. So what if they're slow and don't get first posts into the game? It just means that they have to read later on. There really is nothing wrong with starting the game asap.
What are you talking about here? Are you soft claiming or are you just kidding? If you're referencing what I think you're referencing then thats a D1 lynch not nk. We have used that gambit in aimmaf so much I am suprised you forgot about the specifics of it already. Freudian slip?Seph said:Kuz, you die D1 right?
I agree unfortunately. I take wifom as a slight scum tell on most players, but Soup's normal play is in this fashion which, though annoying as ****, is null.Seph said:DP's read on Soup is horrid. I mean, WIFOM isn't a scum tell. It's ALWAYS a null tell. That's why it's WIFOM. It's circular and gets no where. I don't see why someone using it pre game on the first few pages would be a scum tell imo.
Which parts? Don't just summarily agree with everything. Also, if you agree that Soup needs to l2p forum mafia why have you not bothered yourself to tell Soup to stop wifoming?Seph said:Soup, I pretty much agree with Kuz's accusation of how he needs to learn how to play forum mafia.
Why'd you single me out knowing I was traveling and that there were plenty of others farther behind that me?X1 said:@Kuz: caaattcchhh uuuuupppp.
You mean the fact that Tery danced around (piper crumb) your yes or no question and gave an unnecessarily ambiguous response without actually answering the question or taking a stance? Yeah, its a scummy post. Idk and idc about my overall read on him yet, I would have no problem with him dying.@Kuz: Taking anything important from #198? You should be. Notice how I phrase the top question and how Tery answers it. Give me a Tery read around about now plz too.
Which answer will make me look less scummy?Ranmaru said:Yo. J won us Rusty Guillotine. So, this is a lie. Do you still think I shouldn't listen to J?
I care about what you're going to say more than I case about most of what others might say.Why'd you single me out knowing I was traveling and that there were plenty of others farther behind that me?
tsk, nah bro. Missed it. I said to Tery "Do you agree with me that _____?" and Tery doesn't just agree along. More of a town read than a scumread imo from that post and I don't think he really danced around it, its clear he doesn't think its a town tellkuz said:You mean the fact that Tery danced around (piper crumb) your yes or no question and gave an unnecessarily ambiguous response without actually answering the question or taking a stance? Yeah, its a scummy post. Idk and idc about my overall read on him yet, I would have no problem with him dying.
I'm open to either possibility, while its probably more likely they're not scum together its still very possible. Do you not remember Nabe in the scum QT in celebrity saying two scummies should get all friendly because scum never do that with their partners? I'm not completely sold but leaning quite stongly towards TvS@X1, Dark Horse seems to think that its a Seph/J/Soup team.
Would scumSeph and scumJ openly hold hands in thread? Is Dark Horse smart enough to realize they wouldn't? Is Seph & J TvT TvS or SvS?
Yo. Did I ask you that? Why did you feel like telling me what DH was doing?@Ran
i'm not responding to DH because i know what he is doing, he is calling me out on something docile, and wants to sheep me and hopefully get me lynched.
he is trying to sound smart, and trying to pressure me to defend myself to get reads on me.
right now, because i have 'wrapped myself in a ball of WIFOM' he does not know anything, and thus he has been waiting for me to respond.
True. Thank you. Also, may I ask why you are putting your trust in me?@All (Mainly Ran): You should stop treating J and Seph as some kind of team, read them individually and decide independently of the other whether they are scum. They're still lynchable it just means that we have to lynch them without the other one's vote