You do realize that it is also frustrating to be treated the way that you've been treating the vast majority of the posters you've responded to here, yes?
I find it different when somebody is right.
I don't know about you...but I've always gone for the theory that if I don't like others doing it to me, I should try not to do it to them. I tend to strive for harmony in most settings.
How do you know I care when people do it to me? Their wrongness is far more frustrating than quips. Although when wrongness is combined with quips...that's vastly annoying.
So, the answer? Don't be wrong.
True. However, it is very likely that before they decided on that number that they had a brainstorming session on what new characters would be good possibilities for the game. Brainstorming is commonly used in such a way, and the amount of characters that they come up with as good choices would only make it easier to decide on a realistic roster size and timeframe.
I agree. But that's a far cry from "They figure out who they want in, and they put them in, and that's the roster size" and "If Sakurai wants him in, he'll be in." I mean, just because something came up in brainstorming characters doesn't mean that something's going to be in. Problems could arise that were unforeseen. It happens all the time.
Also true. However, as these lawyers are not the ones in charge of the design of the game and what does or does not get added, the only reason they would contact SEGA would be if they were directed to by Sakurai or Nintendo. So by proxy, it's still Sakurai doing the contacting.
By proxy, I will agree.
LL, is it really that hard to figure out what he's trying to say?
Yes. Honestly, it is.
"It has been characters on Sakurai's poll." The word "it's" is used in this contraction a lot, and leaving out an apostrophe isn't an uncommon mistake to see, especially online. What about it makes it so hard to understand?
Tense confusion. Multiple states of being being used ("is" and "been" for the same subject at the same time). Overall grammatical disagreement.
Once again lightlink, instead of making an intelligent post you have just spat insults, talked about magic to avoid my point, and dodged almost everything Del said by insulting his english over and over.
I haven't avoided your point. Your point is still stupid. You can repeat it over and over and over again. It won't get less stupid. If you keep saying the same thing, of course I'm going to say the same thing to refute it.
And Del *does* have bad English. I can't read it. If he wants me to debate him, he needs to write better. Rewriting points happens. He should do it, and you and he need to stop whining about it.
You're a rabble rouser...
I don't think that's the word you're looking for.
...who seems to think that Sakurai has little to no control
Please stop being stupid. How many times have I outright denied this, and clarified myself? Must have been like, ten times by now. Do you not have a brain?
Unless you have something valid to say about Diddy, please leave this thread.
Or, I can stay here and finish what I didn't start. It's not like I was the one who started this whole mess.
...and I think that most of us would like to get back on topic.
I'm not stopping you.
I hope you can learn better forum ettiquette before the next time you attempt to debate with someone on here.
What's "ettiquette?" Does it have something to do with Etiquette?
No, but seriously, I didn't start this debate. I would have been content to leave, had people not started asking me why I didn't want Diddy in, and started poking at my preferred characters. So guess what! You brought this in yourselves.
I would also like to ask the others involved with this argument, such as RDK and Del Money, to please not respond to him anymore.
So would I. They don't have anything intelligent to say, and one is supposed to be ignoring me, since like, seven pages ago.
He obviously won't listen to anything we say...
Of course I won't. It's
wrong.
I don't really see how it can be read as a flame; just somebody stating and then explaining why they weren't excited over the character's addition. This is a forum after all.
I think it's more of the fact that when people started poking me, I didn't back down. I did the opposite.
Now I know he isn't the only one to blame, but he does seem to fling insults most often in this particular argument.
I fling insults if you're wrong, obviously wrong, and continue to be wrong after being corrected. When you're first wrong, fine, whatever. But if you continuously talk about things I never said, use the same already refuted arguments as if they get better with age, and in general say stupid things, then I insult you. You practically end up deserving it then. Notice I don't insult Sinn. Even when he disagrees with me. Because he has points that make sense.
Now I ask again, please can we move on, and get back on subject. Now that I feel I have clarified everything, I will not be making another post about Lightlink.
That's what they always say.
No it doesn't. Why would it?
Because it's worked so well in the past, right?
yeah, what fantasy world are we living in to think that the guy in charge makes the decisions?
He's in charge of production. He's not in charge of everything. There are still people ahead of him. And he still has to respond to outside forces. So YES, you're living in a fantasy world.
Yes he can. He's the boss.
You've never been the boss of anything have you? You can't do whatever you want.
That's because you're not smart enough to realise it's supposed to be "it has been." Just so you know, the word "you're" in the last sentence means "you are."
"It has been characters" also doesn't make any sense thank you.
There are so many things wrong with that that I don't even know where to begin. Zant's chances were never good even before Diddy was confirmed.
Do you not know what an example is? I could have picked Anju from Majora's Mask for all it mattered. An example is an example. I just filled in variables. They could have been anything! If somebody showed you the model for a hotel you wanted to build, would you go "it's way too small. Nobody could even fit through the door."? I should hope not!
You don't know for sure that Zant isn't in the game because they haven't revealed the entire roster, so you can't say that Diddy prevented Zant from being in the game. Even if Zant isn't in the game, there's no way of proving that he would have been in if Diddy wasn't. Your point made no sense.
Yes it does. You just seem to have brain cancer.
That's like me saying that because Ike got in, Bleak from DKC3 won't get in. Do you realise how stupid that sounds?
If you're using it as an example, as a way of saying "if X got in, it lowers the chances of Y" then yes, it does make sense.
Don't jump into a conversation and assume you know what's going on. Just go away now thanks.
Well dude, while that post was major ownage, I wish you would have ignored him so that we could all move on. I think I'm gonna have to refer a mod to this thread to keep everyone in line, assuming Lightlink comes back with another insult infested post. Which history has taught us he will. I tried to be the voice of reason, I wish I hadn't failed.
Didn't you just say you wouldn't make another post on me?
you're too much of an idiot to overlook apostrophes and think that mocking my writing online is helping you.
It's not apostrophes. I can infer what you mean when you screw up an apostrophe, I can't infer what you mean when you screw up verb cases, and use multiple being verbs, as well as mess up tenses. It's impossible. I might as well say "They is were theirs" and expect you to figure out what I mean!
I'll be willing to bet that it's the same childish trick you pull every time you LOSE a debate at school
How can I "pull" that "trick" when debate at school was spoken?
LightLink17 resorted into hurling insults across the internet, but freeman123, RDK and I have indeed been debating and having good counterpoints to his "points"...
No, you haven't. You aren't even arguing for the same things. One of you even agreed with me, then kept debating anyway. It's stupid.
And no, it's me that's having counterpoints to your points. I wasn't the one to start this. You said your crap first, so it's all been my counterpoints.
...while he's just been twisting words and trying to sound funny.
I'm not trying to sound funny at all. Are you laughing? I'm not.
wrong. you don't know anything. if my writing was so bad, then how come LightLink17 has been the only one to complain about it thus far?
I haven't. Idiot. Somebody else had a problem with something your wrote, but I actually understood it and replied to it.
Let's try not to lie, yes?
and how come you're only complaining about it now like a typical spectator prick who just wants to take sides?
He wasn't cheer leading. I hate that. He has a valid critisizm. I myself don't like what this has turned into. I would leave, but you all are just so annoying. If I left, you'd act like you won some big battle, one you were bound to win the whole time because of your amazing points and logic. I can't have that.
And guess what else. YOU are cheer leading. All of you are. When one of you makes a post, the others go to give fellatio to the poster, talking about how some nub was pawned or whatever. You did it in this post.
it didn't stop you from responding to my posts about Diddy's stage in brawl, did it? you don't know **** about my intellect level and I don't care if you created this thread or not. so do yourself a favor and shut the **** up.
I think people can infer your intelligence level by the way you write. And I'm not talking about spelling and grammar. None of *my* posts have managed to have censored words in them. Well, one, but only once, and only one. *shrug* This one paragraph beats me there.
this is too funny. you're definitely the ONLY person to consider my writing bad. obviously, you're grasping at straws. so I'm going to prove how completely ignorant you really are...
Then rewrite it. Don't piss and whine.
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I like how you always conveniently pretend to not comprehend when you really can't fight back with a significant counterpoint. you're pretty much proving you suck at debate even though you think you're good. basically this was sarcastic remark at you for saying that time, money, and a license are all that determines a character like Sonic to be in brawl...as if it's not Sakurai who's contacting Sega. it's Sakurai's initial decision to pursue Sonic that makes him possible for brawl. stop acting like Sakurai has no power over his own project.
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apart from capitalization and apostrophes, everything is spelled correctly. so once again you're just being ignorant and dodging everything. let's look at another, shall we?
You're an idiot. I obviously understood this, I replied to it. Sheesh.
because it's been characters
This isn't a translation. This is the point I have a problem with. What are you saying here? "It is been characters" and "it has been characters" both make no sense!
so basically, that last quote was proving that Sakurai's poll seems to be an influence on characters being included in brawl...OBVIOUSLY.
Duh. So what relevance does it have?
if your bull**** theory about characters taking away from other characters' chances across franchise was true, people would be worried about Ridley and Dedede.
No they wouldn't. Ol' what's-his-face put it nicely. Characters can only take away from other characters across franchises when the other character is of lesser importance to his own franchise, than the character.
To put it in a different way, if X = Y, they probably won't take away from each other, but if X > Y, X can take away from Y's chances across franchises.
you see this? this is an example of you twisting words. I already know you're referring to me with the whole "set range" thing and I didn't say ANYTHING about a set range not making sense. what I said was this...
That's not what I'm referring to. I'm referring to something you said about twenty pages back. Specifically this:
you just contradicted youself. how can there be a SET limit if theres a range?
Obviously you knew I spoke of a range. This happened on page 283. You then proceed to spout forth crap about how a "set range" doesn't make sense, because "set" implies an integer, or some nonsense.
and that's yet more proof of you're ignorance.
Yeah, because completely missing my reference and failing to remember what happened a measly two days ago is so not ignorant.
I like how you're now putting words in MY mouth.
Thanks. I try. Perhaps you can return the favour.
I didn't say Sakurai had full control over the 3rd party roster.
I never said you did. I said you implied Sakurai has unlimited power and can do whatever he wants.
someone else has already countered you on these points, so I'm not going to touch it.
Failed to counter you mean.
look who's usually the word "probably" now?
I'm ALWAYS using words like "probably" and "Likely" and "May." It prevents me from being *stupid* and making absolute phrases that can't be proven. You can't prove anything with what Sakurai is doing. You should be saying "probably" in the right places or else you're claiming some amazing knowledge on the inner workings of the development of Brawl.
careful, LightLink17, you're slipping...basically to answer this, I'll just quote you again.
You don't provide absolute proof for educated guesses. Duh.
HILARIOUS post! Props man!
Yeah. I agree. It was hilariously wrong. Doesn't mean I have to lift up my skirt to him.
Man, I *hate* cheer-leading.
Freeman made his point: How could you possibly ever know that Zant didn't get in because of Diddy? While Zant isn't even likely at first... But I agree that he'd still be a very nice addition.
I never literally argued that Zant isn't going to get in because of Diddy. It was an example! I could have picked any characters (so long as one was important and the other not so, and they were in different franchises)! I could have picked Dedede and Malon. Or Wolf and Balloon Fighter. It doesn't matter! It was just to illustrate a point, not a literal argument. I'm sure he would have known that had he not jumped in randomly, and actually read the entire argument.
I don't see what it has to do with Del's post that he made after that, he still did just spew insults instead of debating.
No. I didn't. I will insult you, but I have points in there too. If you get your panties in such a bundle from a few insults that you can't read the points, then there must be something wrong.
I've countered his arguments a few times but he just gets all pissed off instead of actually explaining why he thinks I'm wrong.
Yeah, those huge paragraphs aren't explanations at all.
...he did do just that anyway...
You mean he failed to do it in the only relevant part. He "fixed" a part I already understood and replied to. And the other thing he "fixed" still had the relevant errors.
Also, so everyone knows, I've sent a PM asking a moderator to come to this thread.
It's really cheesy to announce it. It's like Mr. Kirby, and going "lol, lookz Imma ignorin u." Besides, a mod has already visited.
When you say things like "because of Diddy, Zant can't get in", don't be surprised when people point out how much sense that didn't make.
Nobody ever even said that.
Huh, how would that work=???? XD Also, Diddy KOng apparently learned either a Fire Kick from Hitmonlee, or a Blaze Kick from Blazekein! XD More proof that he'll pwn in Brawl! 
No, just gimme a Krazy Kremland stage or maybe a thorny barrel blasting stage for Diddy.
