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[#HBC | Kary]

what happened to the dgamer user title, anyhow? that still a thing?

 

[ranmaru]

Either that, or the idea of an mp3 player that isn't called an "ipod" is just baffling to most people.

I really wish I could have a not-ipod Mp3 that's really good. In fact, suggest one to me.

 

[#HBC | Joker]

i've never owned a dedicated mp3 player. My cellphone has a music player on it, and I use that. They really don't make cellphones that don't have that option anymore, at least I don't think they do.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

I have a 32GB microSD in my phone on which I rotate my music.

but yeah, Dark House is only 11, wouldn't be surprised if he never heard of non-ipod mp3's.

 

[Handorin]

I really wish I could have a not-ipod Mp3 that's really good. In fact, suggest one to me.

I have a Sony Walkman that's pretty good.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Majora's an entirely different game in my opinion. If you're gonna consider timeframe when looking at graphics, Majora's only 1 year later than OoT soooo that's not that biggadeal.

Edit: about MM being so high up. It was great in terms of story, themes, design, pacing, wow-moments, etc etc. It was just great.

Okay, stop your fawning. You are so incredibly biased.

about MM being so high up. It was great in terms of..... pacing

You are so full of ****. The game forces restarting days multiple times. Unless you have a lot of game knowledge from the start of the game, you're restarting to complete multiple quest lines, repeating the same events, watching the same cut scenes.

 

[Raziek]

For the record, we just finished blowing up Ryker on Skype about this. He's full of garbage.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Eye witness reports will say that's a lie and that Raz likes the game which is already known.

 

[#HBC | Joker]

the kind of stuff that MM makes you repeat doesn't take very long if you know what you're doing. The only thing you're actually required to repeat is the Anju/Kafei questline, which is the most interesting questline in the game. If you're starting dungeons over because you didn't finish it in the 3 days, it's because you're terrible. You have more than enough time to do every dungeon within, like, one day.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

It is fair. You hold two pieces to the same criteria. How is that unfair?

I'mma step in for once and call you out on being a dumbass here. Anything now is going to have a higher standard of quality than it did back then. Something from 2013 is going to look a hell of a lot better than something from 1999 unless it's intentionally going for that "retro" look to fabricate nostalgia. You're not wrong when trying to look at them objectively but you look stupid for even trying to make that a fair comparison in the first place.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

the kind of stuff that MM makes you repeat doesn't take very long if you know what you're doing. The only thing you're actually required to repeat is the Anju/Kafei questline, which is the most interesting questline in the game. If you're starting dungeons over because you didn't finish it in the 3 days, it's because you're terrible. You have more than enough time to do every dungeon within, like, one day.

He's basing his point on the fact that it takes game knowledge to repeat that stuff in time. For some people, that's easy. For others, not so much. Let's see you get to and beat that water dungeon in a day, especially on a first playthrough with no prior knowledge. For me, that mechanic turned me off from Majora's Mask for a long time.

 

[#HBC | Joker]

well, you don't actually have to do it in a day though. You have 3 days. Even if you're stuck for a long time, you have plenty of time. And if you do manage to waste all 3 days, it doesn't actually take you very long to get back to where you were in the dungeon now that you've done it once before and know what to do. The really neat thing about those dungeons is that once you get about halfway in, you get the Bow/Fire/Ice/Light Arrows, which allows you to skip pretty much everything before it. Even if you do manage to use up all 3 days, it takes practically no time at all to get back.

Seriously though, Reverse Song of Time is your friend. You really do have tons of time to finish the dungeons. I can do all the stuff in each area that grants you access to the dungeon, and still have enough time to finish the dungeon, and get in some side quests along the way, all in one 3day phase. I even leave in the middle of the dungeons to go do stuff that requires you to do stuff every day, like the Deku game, or Honey and Darling's game center, etc.

 

[Raziek]

Seriously though, Reverse Song of Time is your friend. You really do have tons of time to finish the dungeons. I can do all the stuff in each area that grants you access to the dungeon, and still have enough time to finish the dungeon, and get in some side quests along the way, all in one 3day phase. I even leave in the middle of the dungeons to go do stuff that requires you to do stuff every day, like the Deku game, or Honey and Darling's game center, etc.

Thisthisthis

 

[#HBC | Joker]

I really and truly believe 99% of people who argue "the 3 day time limit thing is bull****!" do not know about Reverse Song of Time.

The very first time me and my brother played, we didn't know about it, and we finished the first dungeon just under the wire. Then we found out about Reverse Song of Time and the time limit became a complete non issue for the rest of the game.

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

I only played 'Oracle of Ages' and I enjoyed the game. I never played the second part to the game unfortunately.

 

[#HBC | Joker]

I've never tried to do a "beat the game in 3 days" run in MM, but it's possible. If you do everything right, you can actually finish the whole game without ever starting over the 3 days. Once you get the ocarina, and start over that first time, you can beat the game without starting over again. I should try that one of these days. You have to really know what you're doing to do it, and you have to skip around a lot. The biggest hurdle is getting into Romani Ranch before D1 ends, so you can get Epona. Otherwise you'll never get into the 3rd or 4th dungeon. In fact, you gotta get Epona, and use her to get into the graveyard so you can open the first gravestone N1 as well. First 24hrs are rough, but it gets a lot less restrictive after that.

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

Ninja Edit.

 

[ranmaru]

I loved Oracle of Ages and Seasons. I can't wait for it to come out on the VC for 3DS. I was almost about to write a letter to Nintendo wanting those two games on the VC but I was too late xD

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

I played the **** out of Oracle of Ages when I was a kid. Fun game, highly underrated. I was always upset cause I kept getting the freaking bear instead of the Kangaroo or the Dragon/Dodongo thing. I thought the bear was boring.

 

[BSL]

Eye witness reports will say that's a lie and that Raz likes the game which is already known.

I was an eyewitness and it wasn't a lie.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

well, you don't actually have to do it in a day though. You have 3 days. Even if you're stuck for a long time, you have plenty of time. And if you do manage to waste all 3 days, it doesn't actually take you very long to get back to where you were in the dungeon now that you've done it once before and know what to do. The really neat thing about those dungeons is that once you get about halfway in, you get the Bow/Fire/Ice/Light Arrows, which allows you to skip pretty much everything before it. Even if you do manage to use up all 3 days, it takes practically no time at all to get back.

Seriously though, Reverse Song of Time is your friend. You really do have tons of time to finish the dungeons. I can do all the stuff in each area that grants you access to the dungeon, and still have enough time to finish the dungeon, and get in some side quests along the way, all in one 3day phase. I even leave in the middle of the dungeons to go do stuff that requires you to do stuff every day, like the Deku game, or Honey and Darling's game center, etc.

I'm aware of the Reverse Song of Time. When I (finally) played it, I made good use of it. It makes the game really manageable. I was referencing before I played it and knew it was manageable and had a feel for the day/night cycle. I also think Drew is trying to reference players who aren't as learned at video games as we are. I know damn well most of my other friends here would give up on it fairly quickly because of that.

EDIT: I don't wanna come off saying you're wrong. In the experience of it, you are right and I believe it is possible to speedrun it. What I'm simply trying to reference is that the time limit does act as a barrier for it.

FWIW:
WW>MM=OoT>TP (haven't played SS yet, not sure if I want to)

2D:
LttP>Seasons/Ages=Link's Awakening>Four Swords Bull****>Phantom Hourglass

Haven't played Spirit Tracks, the originals, or Minish

 

[#HBC | Joker]

People not being learned in video games shouldn't be considered when you're trying to rate which game is better. That's like saying picasso is a terrible artist because people who don't know anything about art don't get his work.

 

[ranmaru]

I played the **** out of Oracle of Ages when I was a kid. Fun game, highly underrated. I was always upset cause I kept getting the freaking bear instead of the Kangaroo or the Dragon/Dodongo thing. I thought the bear was boring.

Lol oh MOOSH. I think the Dodongo or w/e creature it was that could swim's name was Ricky. Maybe. Or maybe that was the Kangaroo's. But yeah Moosh was the least cool of the three, because you had to FLOAT over pits with a BIG FAT BLUE BEAR WITH LIL WHITE WINGS lmao

 

[Gova]

People not being learned in video games shouldn't be considered when you're trying to rate which game is better. That's like saying picasso is a terrible artist because people who don't know anything about art don't get his work.

It definitely should be considered.

Also, your second sentence doesn't count as an argument. "That's like saying Picasso is a great artist because you understand his work." It goes both ways.

 

[#HBC | Joker]

it doesn't go both ways though. Like I said before, art is subjective. I can only rate how much I like something based on how much I like it. There's no reason for me to factor other people's opinions into my own.

 

[Gova]

My point was you could be the only one who think it's good while everyone thinks else it's bad so you can't knock other people for thinking something is bad when generally everyone else thinks it's good.

 

[Xivii]

Art isn't subjective. Whatever I think is good is good.

 

[#HBC | Joker]

No but I can knock people for thinking it's bad because they think other people think it's bad.

 

[Gova]

No one has said/done that though. Regardless, since video games are way more interactive, difficulty plays a large part in how people perceive a game. If you're going to argue over the subjectivity of what makes a better game, you need to take it into account.

 

[#HBC | Joker]

but thinking a game is difficult simply because you have no idea what you're doing due to not being good at games in general... is kinda dumb. Like, the only justification I'm seeing for MM being "hard" is that some people won't know about the reverse song of time. That's like saying Super Mario is "hard" because some people won't know about the run button.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

is Majora's Mask actually any good though?

Spoiler

 

[#HBC | Kary]

that one song you linked is definitely very good, though, KevM

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

I'mma step in for once and call you out on being a ******* here. Anything now is going to have a higher standard of quality than it did back then. Something from 2013 is going to look a hell of a lot better than something from 1999 unless it's intentionally going for that "retro" look to fabricate nostalgia. You're not wrong when trying to look at them objectively but you look stupid for even trying to make that a fair comparison in the first place.

Hurpadurp then we're on the same page. A fair comparison is stupid, that's why you can't say that OoT is better just like that.

also, anyone ever thought of the 3day time limit as improving the game's pacing? Iunno. It's been designed around, n stuff.

This discussion made me finally pick up Seasons again and finish it this time. First dungeon completed. No guide run. Let's do dis. (DAYUM DAYUM DAYUMMMM)

 

[Orboknown]

#day limit forces you to keep pushing rather then explore every nook and cranny of every town and dungeon. Faster game play, more of an edge and a rush to get things done imo.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

picasso's was a bad artist because he cut off his ear.

/one can only hope this is me being sarcastic

Spoiler

I know it was actually van gogh

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

The only reason I love MM as much as I do is because of the time "limit". Exploring that game again and again and learning about every single facet of life in that 3-day time period and trying to beat the clock was exhilarating the first time around, and also makes the gameplay very modular. But if you approach the concept from the outside-in, thinking "this is a game" rather than "this is a world", you're naturally going to have a bad time, because you're going against the grain.

Let's positive thinking~

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

the kind of stuff that MM makes you repeat doesn't take very long if you know what you're doing. The only thing you're actually required to repeat is the Anju/Kafei questline, which is the most interesting questline in the game. If you're starting dungeons over because you didn't finish it in the 3 days, it's because you're terrible. You have more than enough time to do every dungeon within, like, one day.

Yeah sure, if you're not 100%ing the game and you have already played through it multiple times and you know where all the **** is. It's an exploration game. You can't accuse someone new to the game of being terrible for actually exploring.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

People not being learned in video games shouldn't be considered when you're trying to rate which game is better. That's like saying picasso is a terrible artist because people who don't know anything about art don't get his work.

The ****? That has everything to do with it. It's the reason a LOT of old games haven't aged well. I still love the **** out of Final Fantasy, Star Tropics 1 & 2, Castlevania, and more ancient games. I know what to do, so I can do it and I can enjoy it, but the average man doesn't have the patience to play a game when it isn't intuitive to those without game knowledge.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Art isn't subjective. Whatever I think is good is good.

Me like.

But which Megaman is the best?

Megaman X4.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

People not being learned in video games shouldn't be considered when you're trying to rate which game is better. That's like saying picasso is a terrible artist because people who don't know anything about art don't get his work.

Of course you get me with this.