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[#HBC | Joker]

I agree completely. I'm not sure why you feel it's better though, despite the dungeons not nearly being as good. The masks were a very welcome change and I loved that though.

Hub world in majora's and aesthetics > Hub world in OoT and aesthetics

You completely agree with why I think it's better, but you don't understand why that makes it better? I dunno what to tell you man, the whole MM experience is just a lot more enjoyable than OoT for those reasons. I enjoy it more, ergo, it's a better game.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

In the end, it's all subjective. It's not like I'm giving you mean looks across the room because we don't see things similarly.

Spoiler

It's kinda like how I feel about Persona. I liked P4 more than P3. Some people will disagree, some will agree.

Ah, internet debate.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

It had such an impact because of it's gameplay.

It had such an impact because it was successful at being LttP in 3D.
Then they made three sequels and a prequel and they were all as good or better

It's kinda like how I feel about Persona. I liked P4 more than P3. Some people will disagree, some will agree.

 

[KevinM]

Yo Kary are you a TWY Fan??

 

[Handorin]

Guys.
Melee is the best Zelda game.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

I am not, KevM, but my initial impression is that I like them.

Uh, it's complicated, though. I feel like they are in danger of falling into generic angsty pop-punk :/

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

What the **** am I reading. OoT's game design is ****ing legendary. It's literally acclaimed as one the greatest designed games of all time. Of all ****ing time. You literally are trying to hold a candle to a game that has not only the highest metacritic score, but a game that defined a ****ing era. TP was literally designed to try and encapsulate the same feeling OoT had, and it simply failed. That's not saying it's not a great game, but it's not OoT. Nothing will ever come close to OoT, ever.

lol youre ********

OoT was good for it's time. It has aged horribly.

@Xonar: What did you like about TP's graphics and travel? IMHO the travel was the weakest part of TP, and the graphics were good, but not phenomenal. I think you might be thinking of the art direction, not the actual graphics themselves.

Nah. TP's art direction was good, but the graphics were definitely better than OoT.

Travel in TP was good because you could choose between taking the scenic route and teleporting.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Nah. TP's art direction was good, but the graphics were definitely better than OoT.

Well okay, sure. But this is kinda like arguing that any movie made within the last 50 years is part better than Citizen Kane because Citizen Kane was only shot in black & white. Is it really fair to use graphics as a criteria when that puts OoT at a disadvantage it couldn't possibly overcome (honest question)?

Also what's your sig? I can't stop looking at it.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I'm playing OoT right now and I can say that it hasn't 'aged' at all. It's just as fun as it was when I played it back then.

Your loss.

Man what kind of stupid argument is 'it has aged'? You want something made in 1999 to be like something made in 2013? That's a ridiculous comparison and it holds no weight at all.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

"man super mario bros. has aged horribly mario looks like **** there is no character development and little story the game is linear and the gameplay is boring not to mention the artificial difficulty **** game 0/10"

 

[#HBC | Joker]

OoT has not aged horribly. At all.

and wtf, travel in TP is better than OoT because you have the option to walk or teleport? I must have played a different version of OoT because I remember being able to teleport.

Hint: I didn't play a different version

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Farore's Wind, and the songs you learn to teleport to certain dungeons. Xonar never finished OoT.

 

[#HBC | Joker]

lol, I know. I only played TP once (cuz I borrowed it), but I've played OoT like 4 or 5 times (cuz I still own my working 64 and cartridge.) I know the game pretty well.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Well okay, sure. But this is kinda like arguing that any movie made within the last 50 years is part better than Citizen Kane because Citizen Kane was only shot in black & white. Is it really fair to use graphics as a criteria when that puts OoT at a disadvantage it couldn't possibly overcome (honest question)?

Also what's your sig? I can't stop looking at it.

It is fair. You hold two pieces to the same criteria. How is that unfair?

I'm playing OoT right now and I can say that it hasn't 'aged' at all. It's just as fun as it was when I played it back then.

Your loss.

Man what kind of stupid argument is 'it has aged'? You want something made in 1999 to be like something made in 2013? That's a ridiculous comparison and it holds no weight at all.

Hurdur no you're ********. If you don't hold them to the same standards then you're subjective. Eat one.


Also, at the teleporting towards the far end of the game is so gonna help me from traveling ****loads the first 70%.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

How can you possibly hold them to the same standards if technology and gameplay was different back then?

It is you, who is the ******.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Because if you don't you become subjective you ****face. It's not being ******** it's called "objective".

Like, what the ****, do you even know what you're talking about?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

What are you trying to attain by bringing out your book of lingo 101 to try and solidify your point? There is no way to look at something like this in an objective point of view. In order to look at something objective, you have to state facts. What facts do you bring to your argument? What undeniable proof is there that you are right, and that I am wrong?

 

[#HBC | Joker]

but "which game is better" is a completely subjective thing. You can't treat it objectively. Art is not objective. Fun is not objective.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

What are you trying to attain by bringing out your book of lingo 101 to try and solidify your point? There is no way to look at something like this in an objective point of view. In order to look at something objective, you have to state facts. What facts do you bring to your argument? What undeniable proof is there that you are right, and that I am wrong?

I can pretty definitively say that TP's graphics are better than OoT's.

 

[#HBC | Joker]

Better graphics does not a better game make.

 

[Raziek]

I can pretty definitively say that TP's graphics are better than OoT's.

So talk about OoT 3D, then?

I agree on your conclusion, but I'm hard-pressed to agree with handi-capping a game for being old. I don't really see why you wouldn't look at the games in context.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

I want us all to remember: Kary started this.

 

[#HBC | Joker]

Way to go Kary

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

You can look at context, sure, but if you're saying that even compared to games of now, OoT is better, then wgat. If you want to compare it and give it an advantage because of time-frame, then I can see where you're coming from.

 

[ranmaru]

We can all talk about how we love Megaman.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

But which Megaman is the best?

 

[Raziek]

You can look at context, sure, but if you're saying that even compared to games of now, OoT is better, then wgat. If you want to compare it and give it an advantage because of time-frame, then I can see where you're coming from.

My point was graphics should be a temporal comparison based on the limitations of the technology of the time. It's not fair to **** on OoT for not looking as good as the other games because it was released on the N64 and was pretty revolutionary for the time. If you don't want to give it that leniency, at least go by the most recent version (OoT 3D) when judging graphics.

That applies somewhat to gameplay, but less so to art style, music, theming, etc. And yeah, it is subjective.

Speaking of which, do you apply such considerations to Majora's, which recycles a lot of models from OoT? Or does that make points up in that category by virtue of the new content it brought.

 

[ranmaru]

But which Megaman is the best?

I have only played the first one. ;-; I'm not even done, I'm at wily now.

 

[#HBC | Joker]

I've always been more partial to the MegaMan X series. I did have a bunch of MegaMan games for the NES, but it was so long ago that I don't remember a ton about them, and my NES broke so long ago that I've never gone back to revisit them. I know I enjoyed MegaMan just fine, but I do not have fond memories.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Make it stop.

Make it stop.

Make it stop.

 

[ranmaru]

I have only played the Megaman ZX Advent games. I also loved the Megaman battlenetwork games. :3

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Graphics shouldn't be a factor to begin with unless they straight-up ruin the experience [which I myself have never actually seen happen].

 

[#HBC | Joker]

My point was graphics should be a temporal comparison based on the limitations of the technology of the time. It's not fair to **** on OoT for not looking as good as the other games because it was released on the N64 and was pretty revolutionary for the time. If you don't want to give it that leniency, at least go by the most recent version (OoT 3D) when judging graphics.

That applies somewhat to gameplay, but less so to art style, music, theming, etc. And yeah, it is subjective.

Speaking of which, do you apply such considerations to Majora's, which recycles a lot of models from OoT? Or does that make points up in that category by virtue of the new content it brought.

The character models are actually noticeably sharper in MM than in OoT. It's not a vast difference, but it's something I noticed the moment I started playing it. Play the games back to back, you'll notice it.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

THERE IS CLEARLY A POINT WE HAVE PASSED AND WE HAVE BECOME EXCEEDINGLY EFFICIENT AT IT

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

My point was graphics should be a temporal comparison based on the limitations of the technology of the time. It's not fair to **** on OoT for not looking as good as the other games because it was released on the N64 and was pretty revolutionary for the time. If you don't want to give it that leniency, at least go by the most recent version (OoT 3D) when judging graphics.

That applies somewhat to gameplay, but less so to art style, music, theming, etc. And yeah, it is subjective.

Speaking of which, do you apply such considerations to Majora's, which recycles a lot of models from OoT? Or does that make points up in that category by virtue of the new content it brought.

Majora's an entirely different game in my opinion. If you're gonna consider timeframe when looking at graphics, Majora's only 1 year later than OoT soooo that's not that biggadeal.

Edit: about MM being so high up. It was great in terms of story, themes, design, pacing, wow-moments, etc etc. It was just great.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vyfc10qDcR4

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

its funny because the original is one of the worst songs ive ever heard

i have both on my mp3

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

How the hell do you have mp3 files on an mp3?

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

mp3 player. I guess nothing is self explanatory these days, huh?

 

[#HBC | Joker]

Either that, or the idea of an mp3 player that isn't called an "ipod" is just baffling to most people.