Dexter Mafia ~ ...?

[~ Gheb ~]

Gheb/TBlock scum team if Red Ruy doesn't flip scum.

See that's exactly the kind of dumbass conclusion I try to avoid by not giving out halfassed reads. It's also what has me reconsider my scumread on Ryker atm.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

I'm tentatively adding Dork Horse to this but otherwise agreed. Some of the things TBro and DH are saying to Gheb seem out of place for townies interacting with townies.

Considered it, don't like it. Not nearly enough to make even that much of a call.

Gheb looks better after his last post. Will look into his chainsaw comment as I didn't pick up on that.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

See that's exactly the kind of dumbass conclusion I try to avoid by not giving out halfassed reads. It's also what has me reconsider my scumread on Ryker atm.

You're a dumb***.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

I EBWOPed.

So stop saying I'm so suspicious with such flimsy reasoning when there are people who look much worse (here's looking at TBlock). Just saying it over and over really does get it into people's heads. Either solidify your reasoning or drop the attack on my credibility.

Choice, where is your head at? If Dark Horse is scum, who are his scumbuddies?

What? Do you even have any idea when the last time was I openly attacked you? You're currently my #3 scum pick because you're one of the only people I can feel like I have a solid read on and it's not a positive one. That doesn't mean a lot on D1.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

Ryker, why is your credibility important?

 

[#HBC | J]

I'm on the way to the theatre for a special mother's day presentation of the play but I just wanted to post something.

lol @ Gheb's weak attempts of Ad hominem and unsubstantiated call-outs.

I'll comment when I get home ^.^

 

[~ Gheb ~]

There were hardly any ad-hominems actually. Don't try to make this a Overswarmesque case.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

What? Do you even have any idea when the last time was I openly attacked you? You're currently my #3 scum pick because you're one of the only people I can feel like I have a solid read on and it's not a positive one. That doesn't mean a lot on D1.

You've stated "Ryker is suspicious" or something like it multiple times without expanding on that at all. When asked why it's because you think I was faking confidence in my ability to read Soup, but you have no idea what that would mean. For all you know, I could have a Vig or Cop ability I would use on him. Hell, you seem to think Soup is town, IIRC, so what would me wanting him to stick around even signify?

@WL - Are you dumb? My credibility within this game is what I have to get **** done during the day. With no credibility, I can't lynch scum. However, the interesting part is not my concern over my credibility, it'll endure just fine. It's why Gheb would want to start a campaign like that in the first place.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

J, stop looking grimy. I don't want you to accidentally get lynched before Red Ruy.

 

[T-block]

Ryker, 556?

 

[~ Gheb ~]

You've stated "Ryker is suspicious" or something like it multiple times without expanding on that at all. When asked why it's because you think I was faking confidence in my ability to read Soup, but you have no idea what that would mean. For all you know, I could have a Vig or Cop ability I would use on him. Hell, you seem to think Soup is town, IIRC, so what would me wanting him to stick around even signify?

Actually I've only mentioned it that one time because I wanted to reemphasize that I *do* have reads on players and that I am willing to give them out if I think they matter enough... and in your case I think they are somewhat conclusive. That was the only recent statement I made in regards about you though.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

I'm good with that response.

J, there's one way to successfully attack a case: debunk the logic. That's the opposite of what you're doing.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Ryker, 556?

**** your 556. I don't remember it, so it's probably not important. I'll be back from reading something else in here and maybe I'll catch it on the way back to this point.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Ryu, I don't know what you want from me. This is currently my lynch pool:

J / you
Ryker

I'm basically handling my reads to you all on a silver platter. How is that "being reluctant" to give information? I give you the information I *can* give you and the one I'm positive is going to be helpful for town. I could answer all of your questions and they wouldn't get me one step closer to anything I don't know already.

I want straight answers for some info, and I don't like this attitude of giving town what they deserve. This is an answer your dodging and not answering, why.

Why is Soup's play so good to be town? Why is listing Chioce as a scum pick pro town when his case was trash as even you said.

Do you think if he is town, he is not a liability to town?

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

JTB, you seem to be under the impression that my votes on Ryker and J are random. That's far from true.

Too many people getting bothered by Soup. Lynching him because you lose patience will not be particularly helpful ... if you only look at him as dumb, dead weight and fail to see his genuine attempts to provide genuine content you're playing a short-sighted game. So far he's probably the only one who has questioned the otherwise undisputed town read on Choice. That shows that he's not a tool like I feel a lot of players are and that he's willing to go out on a limb and voice stuff others wouldn't dare to.

Request Votecount

Ryu, I don't know what you want from me. This is currently my lynch pool:

J / you
Ryker

I'm basically handling my reads to you all on a silver platter. How is that "being reluctant" to give information? I give you the information I *can* give you and the one I'm positive is going to be helpful for town. I could answer all of your questions and they wouldn't get me one step closer to anything I don't know already.

Heh, I guess that's one quality scum doesn't like about me.

But for now I like where my vote is. I wouldn't mind some fresh input from Gorf, J, Rajam, Tanny and JTB though. Other than my read on Ryker I can't put what I know into context if I don't see what others have to say. Course I'm going to continue contributing stuff but I think pushing Soup won't give us more than he already gives us willingly.

That first line was directed at me.

That's more than enough for me to be annoyed and isn't counting the initial bull**** push, the argument about whether or not I was confident, or anything after the point where you and I started talking about it just now. There was never any reasoning behind me "lying" about being confident in my ability to lynch Soup. You revealed that there wasn't any more reasoning and still haven't said why it is scummy.



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I want straight answers for some info, and I don't like this attitude of giving town what they deserve. This is an answer your dodging and not answering, why.

Why is Soup's play so good to be town? Why is listing Chioce as a scum pick pro town when his case was trash as even you said.

Do you think if he is town, he is not a liability to town?

Seriously, go die.

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

Why does this matter? Why would town care about one town's opinion when it's the majority that decides if he lives or dies?

Gheb had claimed thy he "hadn't seen enough of me", and that post was ok the same page as one o mine, so I wanted to see why he didn't mention it.

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

J, why are you calling gheb out for logival fallacies, yet you yourself is not actually responding to it, jjst laughing at it?

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

I'll comment when I get home ^.^

Are you blind or dumb?

 

[~ Gheb ~]

I want straight answers for some info, and I don't like this attitude of giving town what they deserve. This is an answer your dodging and not answering, why.

Why is Soup's play so good to be town? Why is listing Chioce as a scum pick pro town when his case was trash as even you said.

Do you think if he is town, he is not a liability to town?

So much wrong in this post *smh*

Saying I have an attitude "of giving town what they deserve" is simply a falsification of what is happening. I have made more than clear by now that I am giving the town what I am able to give.

Soup - as far as I remember - has never explicitly mentioned Choice as a scum pick. And even if he did I NEVER said that it's a pro-town thing. I'm saying it shows that he's willing to take things into consideration that others aren't. It's obvious that he's more concerned with winning the game than you or J are with all your dumb questions. Sure he does it in a really stupid manner but so are you. At least he's showing that he's more than just a tool.

So far I have no reason to think that townSoup is going to be a liability for the town. I'm more concerned that the constant "question and answer" spiel you and J are setting up is going to be a major distraction and an attempt to spread misleading information.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Gheb this was what I wanted from the beginning thank you for that response.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Also I dislike Ryker atm, his backlashes don't sit well with me atm.

 

[Asdioh]

I guess I didn't miss much while at work.

 

[rPSIvysaur]

ugh, I hate to do this, but

@Mod - request replacement

 

[#HBC | J]

Yes, it does. You just don't want it to.

What in the world is this statement besides just being snarky?

Should also be noted how Ryu and J are chainsawing each other when making their "cases" on me.

Point out where. And I haven't even come close to making a case on you. Again, you are being extreme.

Gheb/TBlock scum team if Red Ruy doesn't flip scum.

I know what I can help town with and what not. With my reads on most of the people mentioned in these questions I can not help town. It doesn't lead to any conclusions and therefore is inconclusive to hunting scum.

I mentioned already that I'm going to give my reads on my own if I think the time is right and that my reads are conclusive. If there's one consistency in my game play then it's this: that I speak my mind when I've made it up.

I don't like this. Your first paragraph is just you trying to worm your way out of answering the simple question of asking what your reads are. You have blown this into massive proportions just because you are being stubborn and says "Well Me/Myself/I don't see the gain in answering this question, so I won't and you can't make me." Gheb, that is YOUR opinion on the matter.

There were hardly any ad-hominems actually. Don't try to make this a Overswarmesque case.

You still admit there were ad-hominems >.> but I digress. And again, quit being extreme. I am not evening making a case on you and to compare it to someone you detest playing with to such a degree is ridiculous.

J, stop looking grimy. I don't want you to accidentally get lynched before Red Ruy.

J, there's one way to successfully attack a case: debunk the logic. That's the opposite of what you're doing.

There is no case atm and I had said I would be responding to things when I got back.

J, why are you calling gheb out for logival fallacies, yet you yourself is not actually responding to it, jjst laughing at it?

Please read.

Saying I have an attitude "of giving town what they deserve" is simply a falsification of what is happening. I have made more than clear by now that I am giving the town what I am able to give.

I'm more concerned that the constant "question and answer" spiel you and J are setting up is going to be a major distraction and an attempt to spread misleading information.

What you are able to give? People are just asking for you to clarify your reads on a certain player and you are making it like it's like asking you to do the impossible. You ARE able to give them, you just don't want to. It's simple. You are trying to make it sound as if you have an ulterior motive to withholding just answering some simple questions.

Your second line is another point to your extremism where you are saying that it's a spiel that we are both working together to set up a major distraction to mislead information.

 

[#HBC | J]

@Ryker's quote I missed: >.> You are really scary. You should know why without me telling you because you are that scary.

 

[Choice]

Ok first off, i kinda wanna admit that i think some of you guys are playing this game at a level higher than i currently do. Specifically ryker, washed and gheb. Like to me, if someone is scummy -> they're scum or playing poorly. Player-x flipping scum can support this, but i dont see how player-y flipping town would make player-a,b and c not the scum team and instead player-d,e, and f are.

that being said, hopefully you'll understand where i'm coming from with some of my questions.

Choice, go ahead and assume that Chibo picked out characters to not use in the game so he could give them to scum as safeclaims specifically so character claims don't work.

that makes sense.

Most are generalized into reasons why I think someone's town or scum. For ones that don't, they often include explanations on why I'm bringing up those posts.

i still think it would be useful for the links back to the posts to be there though. like, is it too much of a hassle or is there any other reason as to why you don't?

Gheb/TBlock scum team if Red Ruy doesn't flip scum.

this an example of the higher level play that i was talkin bout. can you explain how red ryu flipping town would result in gheb/tblock scum team? maybe i'm just thinking this is more complex than it should be.

Choice, where is your head at? If Dark Horse is scum, who are his scumbuddies?

i don't really see how come dark horse being scum changes anyone else being scum with him. i guess rajam could be his scumbuddy since he sorta spoke in his defense against the wagon at the start, but i think that's really loose/weak of a connection. i think i'd believe gheb more so, but right now i'm getting a null read on gheb. i feel like dark horse needs more interactions with people to make any relations certain, and the same would go with gheb.

@dark horse:
who's play do you like the most?
who would you like to see lynched today?


@gheb:
who's play do you dislike the most?
who do you want to hear more from the most?

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

this an example of the higher level play that i was talkin bout. can you explain how red ryu flipping town would result in gheb/tblock scum team? maybe i'm just thinking this is more complex than it should be.

I think Gheb is scummy. I don't think that Gheb is on Red Ruy's scum team based on their interactions. I think TBlock might be Ghebscum's scumbuddy. TBlock may fit into Red Ruy scum, just for the record.

 

[Rajam]

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12667089&postcount=332

Interesting... good chunks of pressure on Soupamario, and WL and T-block as well. J, if I keep reading will I find responses to these pressures?

Also, Soupa's play seems more inconsistent and dumb than scummy. WL is much more scummy; even T-blocks seems more scummy, nonetheless you go with Soupa's option. Didn't you consider all those obvious inconsistences you show'd could come from dumb play instead of scummy play, or you don't/didn't want to give him that chance so soon?

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#332 was at 17:01. Longest post by far up until page 9. After that, is #333, at 17:04:

WL/Soupa can be scum-buddies.

Especially with this weak flip on Soupa when the spotlight starts to go on WL. Also his push comes out of nowhere and seems a lil OMGUSy when Soupa votes for WL. However he doesn't get Ryker for pressuring him simply because "ryker is cleared" in his mind. That's another thing I don't get. WL knows Ryker does gambits so I cannot honestly believe he is saying Ryker is cleared that simply.

Soupa also needs to stop complaining. It's rather annoying because it's not helping anyone at all and it's just curt.

Then #334 comes at 17:05:

Unvote Vote J

Gheb, by checking posts' times it seems you didn't even read J's 332, or not even 333. Long post = scum? or am I missing something? Why do you vote like this giving no reasons at all? (...did you even read J's posts?)

 

[Choice]

I think Gheb is scummy. I don't think that Gheb is on Red Ruy's scum team based on their interactions. I think TBlock might be Ghebscum's scumbuddy. TBlock may fit into Red Ruy scum, just for the record.

really?

Gheb this was what I wanted from the beginning thank you for that response.

at the very least, i'd say from ryu's side of things theres no tension towards gheb so i wouldn't dismiss any connections between them. at the same time though, i'm honestly not getting a scummy feel from gheb. his actions have just been sorta random in my sight and confusing.

agree or disagree ryker?

@gheb: would you say that your play right now has been a bit random or do you believe them to be consistent?

@J: have your thoughts on soup changed? how come? i feel as if he's stopped being discussed and i don't see any reason why he should be/has been cleared. (i've been meaning to ask you a question, but i couldnt think up one worthwhile. no point in waiting though)

@asdioh: seeing as how soup said you know him well or somethin, what exactly are your thoughts about soup right now?

 

[Choice]

i like that post rajam.

 

[Asdioh]

To be honest, I don't think I've ever even seen scumSoup. I've been completely positive he was scum before, because he seemed so mindblowingly scummy, but I was wrong. If I were to give a read on him right now, I'd say town, but that would pretty much be a meta read, so he's null for me, and I don't care to pursue him right now.

 

[#HBC | J]

@Rajam: You will see responses. Personally, I found them more scummy then dumb. DoS arguement i have never really incorporated because it gets really screwy/metay so i went for the person i though was the scummiest.

@Choice: i still think Soupa is scummy so no how come to be answered. Also I never said Soupa was cleared...? That was Gheb iirc -well in his mind it seems soupa sounds cleared-

 

[Tandora]

Are Glyph and Soup still dropping? That's gonna make three replacements.

I honestly think that Soup's play has been pretty decent on his last several posts, so I hope he stays.

With three people (two with limited posting) asking for replacements and one on V/LA, I want to know why Dark Horse is tunneling me.

I've noticed he was cynical of my first post, yet his posts have much less content than mine. And he puts down my posts trying to defame my character.

He pushes for me to vote, yet he has not voted for anyone yet.

DH, since you feel I'm wishy washy, why not put your money where your mouth is? Who are your three top picks and are you willing to vote at this time?

 

[#HBC | J]

Glyph/Soupa cancelled their replacement calls.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

agree or disagree ryker?

I've already stated that I feel better about him. I still say he can't be scum with Red Ruy and Red Ruy is who I want lynched, so he doesn't particularly matter anymore.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Are Glyph and Soup still dropping? That's gonna make three replacements.

I honestly think that Soup's play has been pretty decent on his last several posts, so I hope he stays.

With three people (two with limited posting) asking for replacements and one on V/LA, I want to know why Dark Horse is tunneling me.

I've noticed he was cynical of my first post, yet his posts have much less content than mine. And he puts down my posts trying to defame my character.

He pushes for me to vote, yet he has not voted for anyone yet.

DH, since you feel I'm wishy washy, why not put your money where your mouth is? Who are your three top picks and are you willing to vote at this time?

I don't remember where your vote is. It should be on Red Ruy, pleeeeeeeease.

 

[#HBC | J]

that'll put 6 votes onto him getting him at L-3. (just checked.)

@Mod:Request Votecount

Just to be sure.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

@Rajam: Caught up yet?

heb had claimed thy he "hadn't seen enough of me", and that post was ok the same page as one o mine, so I wanted to see why he didn't mention it.

Still doesn't explain why you need Gheb's opinion as validation of your towniness.

Also I dislike Ryker atm, his backlashes don't sit well with me atm.

Do not simply throw statements like this without backing up your explanation. If you have the right to string Gheb along for reasons for his scum picks and the things you have said, you have to walk the other side. You simply cannot make attacking statements like this without explaining why.

Yes, I see this post was made from a mobile phone so I expect an explanation once you get onto a computer.

Ok first off, i kinda wanna admit that i think some of you guys are playing this game at a level higher than i currently do. Specifically ryker, washed and gheb. Like to me, if someone is scummy -> they're scum or playing poorly. Player-x flipping scum can support this, but i dont see how player-y flipping town would make player-a,b and c not the scum team and instead player-d,e, and f are.

This site places a lot of stock in connections that players make with one another during the game. It's not necessarily a good reason for lynching someone but it makes a good lead for the next day on places to look based on the lynched player's flip.

Don't worry, I didn't understand this until just now myself.

i still think it would be useful for the links back to the posts to be there though. like, is it too much of a hassle or is there any other reason as to why you don't?

I feel like the information isn't exactly relevant. I think the only points of significance is to highlight that Ryker and Asdioh have a huge amount of shenanigans and Rajam/TBro's utter uselessness up until that point in the game. Both have been discussed in depth since that post and I'd rather focus more on Red Ruy, DH, and I guess Gheb, three guys whose posts I didn't really go in-depth because they didn't have that many at that point in the game.

To be honest, I don't think I've ever even seen scumSoup. I've been completely positive he was scum before, because he seemed so mindblowingly scummy, but I was wrong. If I were to give a read on him right now, I'd say town, but that would pretty much be a meta read, so he's null for me, and I don't care to pursue him right now.

He was scum damn near every game in Marathon Mafia. I didn't pay that much attention to meta cause it's two hour games but Ryker apparently can read him. I'm not buying meta reads too well but from what I picked up from that is he tends not to really contribute at all and say very little.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

Considered it, don't like it. Not nearly enough to make even that much of a call.

Gheb looks better after his last post. Will look into his chainsaw comment as I didn't pick up on that.

I said tentatively for a reason. I'm not sure but I see the possibility that he could be. Some things are setting me off about his play.

To be fair, Gheb looks much better after his #579.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

The possibility that he could be completely nullifies any REASON to have said it in the first place. If it's not clear cut to you, then you have no reason to act on the assumption in this situation.