Dexter Mafia ~ ...?

[Asdioh]

I think I left it a while ago because I barely paid any attention to it :x

Anyway, Rajam how's your catchup going? Thoughts on RR?

 

[#HBC | J]

@Psi: Get in here now or I'm gonna bug you on AIM to post here.

You can't do this....it's against the rules.....

Don't rise at that when it's exactly what I wanted.

Ruy? Scum. I can vote him over WL seeing as I'm not getting anyone to help pushing.

Vote Red Ruy

Good job, what was the show?

Can you clarify the first sentence? It's confusing me ;_; I've read it like a few times and still don't get it.

Ryu, I could see as scum, not sold on it entirely yet. My votes in Tanny's hand though.

The show is Neil Simon's Plaza Suite. I personally love it.

It would be a hard decision since J and Tandora are both girls.

-_-" Even you duder?

W.r.t. rPSI, who knows with him. *shrug* (w.r.t. catching up/being useful)

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

My votes in Tanny's hand though.

 

[#HBC | J]

I made a promise to her I don't intend on breaking.

 

[Tandora]

You can still have someone you're most suspicious of. If you're vote's not anywhere but you're suspicious of someone, you're doing it wrong.

First off, when I come into a game, I am suspicious of everyone unless they are a confirmed mason to me. Seriously, EVERYONE. My goal is to assume everyone is out to get me and is lying to my face so they can manipulate me. It's only after I get some positive town vibes that I make connections with people.

Second, when I'm ready to vote I will.

Third, it is partly your job to convince me you're town (doing an okay job so far) before convincing someone else is scum (working on that).

That's his special name for "it", if you know what I mean.

I made a promise to her I don't intend on breaking.

Sweety, although I appreciate the offer, I'm nowhere near ready to be a leader. Is your offer only good for ToDay? Or can I call it in at some non-lylo point? If I need you to really, really, really trust me I may ask then. Meanwhile use your voice and your vote like you have been.

You don't think you're strong enough? You are! You have all the weapons you need. Now fight. =3

 

[#HBC | J]

God damn Tanny with a post like that and a response like that to controlling my vote I am never dropping your hand. <3 That's EXACTLY what I wanted to hear.

Unvote
Vote: Red Ryu

Can you read RR more then if you find it adequate join Ryker/Me in pushing him for pressure (you dont have to vote but just look at him with more scrutiny)?

 

[Asdioh]

Ryker/Me

>not me
>i was the first to fos, bring points up against him, pressure him, and vote him

 

[#HBC | J]

*Ryker/J/Asdioh

Better haha? xD I am still confused about your claim though Asdioh. Could u clarify if you want to?

 

[Asdioh]

There is nothing to clarify at this point, everything you need to know has been said. Focus on other things.


/commence dead weekend?

 

[#HBC | J]

That was the most robotic stone-cold post i've seen from Asdioh ever.

Tomorrow should be dead in all games for a rather good reason. ^_^

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

First off, when I come into a game, I am suspicious of everyone unless they are a confirmed mason to me. Seriously, EVERYONE. My goal is to assume everyone is out to get me and is lying to my face so they can manipulate me. It's only after I get some positive town vibes that I make connections with people.

Second, when I'm ready to vote I will.

Third, it is partly your job to convince me you're town (doing an okay job so far) before convincing someone else is scum (working on that).

While I'd think by that point in the game, you'd have someone as a top suspect (regardless of how strongly you feel about their scumminess), I can agree with this logic. I tend not to participate in RVS shenanigans for similar reasons.

Also, when you say "it", the first thing I think of is sex. The subsequent exchange between you two doesn't dissuade this theory.

>metaknight.gif

**** meta knight

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

You can't do this....it's against the rules.....

Can you clarify the first sentence? It's confusing me ;_; I've read it like a few times and still don't get it.

-_-" Even you duder?

Telling them the game is happening and to post shouldn't be a violation. Talking about it, yeah that's uncool.

I started that wagon so RVS would die. I had no reason to believe Rajam would actually be lynched off so little.

It's fun to do that to you.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Jeez, I leave for untold hours and I come back to this. I am disappointed.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

You may think it's inane but I don't since it helps me. How am I "fluffing up" your points as you say and extrapolate on which stuff you don't think is conclusive to hunting scum.

1.) Because the whole point is that I think you're scum and becoming all talky-talky with me makes me think you're fluffing stuff up.
2.) What I don't mention I don't consider conclusive to hunting scum.

I want an answer to learn about you.

That is what I want, I have a hard time reading you this is why I am asking questions about you.

I'm asking about Soup because you find him to be town right away, I am asking these questions to see your reasoning and your thoughts so I can learn if you are scum or town. Soup's play I could see as dumb town or scum, you went for town right away.

For me this isn't a clear cut thing like Ranmaru where I could see him as town in those cases, Soup has made multiple comments that completely destroyed this for me.

This is why I am asking this about more why you think this. You took a stance, I want to know more why you took this stance.

You didn't call him scum, right? Do you think he's scum or not? The way I see it you only lynch him because he's a "burden", right?

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

The more I play Mafia, the harder it is for me to commit to a DEFINITELY SCUM on Day One. Especially early Day 1. I feel much more comfortable with getting town reads than scum reads early game. I'm not really willing to push my town list for obvious reasons and I don't want to make a scum list because of process of elimination until I'm pretty comfortable with my reads.

So you're pretty wishy-washy with your reads.

Towards the end of Day 1 and beginning of Day 2, you should see more definite stances from me in regards of who I want lynched. I will always help guarantee we avoid a no lynch (unless it is a wise choice late game).

And you say you'll help more if you live longer.

This is simply my playstyle, regardless of alignment. If you don't like it or think it's scummy, then you are unfortunately wrong and will simply waste time bringing focus on it. And quite frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn.

And now you're using self-meta.

And trying to plug your ears to all the attacks

Post 483 - I read the first part of it as focusing on Soup and DH, both are players who can be easily mislynched.

Yet you haven't pursued the flaws in my posts with this, only stated that "I can be mislynched easily". You're trying to contribute with no actually data.

I want an answer to learn about you.

That is what I want, I have a hard time reading you this is why I am asking questions about you.

I'm asking about Soup because you find him to be town right away, I am asking these questions to see your reasoning and your thoughts so I can learn if you are scum or town. Soup's play I could see as dumb town or scum, you went for town right away.

For me this isn't a clear cut thing like Ranmaru where I could see him as town in those cases, Soup has made multiple comments that completely destroyed this for me.

This is why I am asking this about more why you think this. You took a stance, I want to know more why you took this stance.

This is your scumhunting?!

You are asking questions to prove reads, and shallow questions at that. Your "scumhunting" just seem to be an excuse to stop people from accusing you of tuneling soup.

@mod request votecount

You guys better know where this is going.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

RR, i see your aboves and i'm inclined to question your actions.



I don't think i haven't been over this. >.>

So, you cannot question my alignment but you're still willing to lynch me? i understand i am null in your eyes, and my 'play' make be 'distracting' to you, but don't just sit on me and expect people will follow, you are not scumhunting, you are complaining about every little detail you can find, but you do not have resitute evidence as to why we/i are scum, you just keep flapping your mouth in attempt to look like your legitmately trying to find scumpicks but in the end, as i have said, complaining.

Generally to get a lynch your trying to get people to agree with you, no?

Your reading my post wrong, I have trouble pinning your alignment and I have no interest in you staying in this game unless you pick it up. Your play has put me to a point where I think it is in everyone best interest to lynch you now over later.

huh

There's a difference between coming up with reactionary answers that may or may not be based off someone else's thoughts and responses with no additional input and legitimately scumhunting.

Red Ruy, who do you think is actually scum?

Gheb, Asdioh, possibly Soupamario.

Soup should be obvious at this point.

I'm not convinced on Asdioh his points at me seem to be rather short and lack backing

RR's 79 Doesn't mention that people always miscontrue him as scum on D1, when he's town. He's said that in other games I've seen him be town in!

111 why FoS me for calling you out on what I felt, and Super FoS because of my claim? Wanting brownie points from Ryker? And then asking T-block why he wants to lynch your mafia buddy? :3

144 still talking about the masonry, finally drops it and ... points out something Soup did that could blatantly be seen as scummy. Asks everyone for thoughts on it... what would they say? "It's a dumb thing to ask, but not necessarily a scumtell, especially since he says stuff like this all the time?" That's how I'd respond.

156 eh. Going after an easy target?

164, 167, 183 pretty null, but still focusing on Soup, who (I may be using meta here) always sticks out and is an easy target

192 probably his towniest post thus far

197 null

204 still about Soup, being rather noncommital, basically looks like he's hoping Soup's play improves?

238 a legitimate question, I wouldn't see it as being defensive when someone comes out of nowhere and says you should die

384 says Gheb is tough to read, calls Rajam out to provide more, more "wtf soup?" type stuff, and brings out what I'm seeing as a townread on WL.


Overall, RR still leaning scummy for me, I'd be happy with more pressure on him, and I'd like to see him focus more on players that aren't Soup.

I don't see what here he did to show why I was scummy. With half sarcastic remarks he goes over me without anything to show what I did that was scummy.

Gheb is being unresponsive in some areas and I want him to answer, he's being reluctant for something he should explain, he's placed reads and votesand I want to get more from the "Why" department.

And to make this post useful, Ruy, what do you think about JTB/Dork Horse/Gheb?

JTB has made some nice posts and pointed out some picks of who he is looking at. He hasn't posted a whole lot, which is my only thing I don't like but then again this game just started. Things like his #445 are cool with me. Thinking he is more town

Dark Horse seems is not ok with me similar to Asdioh I'm not a fan of his contributions as much as others. He's being much more brief than he usually is. Granted he does post similar to this manor it's striking me as odd this game due to how he seems to be more laid back. He's not really going after or making raw content as much as let's say JTB whom I feel like is going out of his way to make content.

Gheb I got bad feelings about and am not liking his dodging, he's doesn't do this with his voting like this, granted he has said he does change styles each game but he's on my radar for how he has been responding to my questions.

give me a stance besides me, and i will consider you to be scumhunting, there has been plenty of information so far to have current reads.

what about J? do you believe his incessant questions to be town?

what about WL? is his stances good, or are they just quick summaries? what parts do you agree with?

what about rajam? he doesn't post alot, but when he does he provides concise information as to what he is thinking, do you agree with his points?

what about tandora? etc.

That is how J plays with his longer posts, I think he is moving to a more town in this case, his questions towards you and others feels like legit scum hunting on his part.

WL is most defiantly town for me, I like where he is taking his scum hunting and the information he is looking at. His also distrust of the constant holding hands and budding that is going on make me like him even more. His stances are good as seen by his #395 got good town vibes from this.

Rajam has a habit of falling behind and ignoring current events as he plays catch-up, I'm not a fan of him doing this but it's how he plays. I'm not sure what you mean by agree in this sense pertaining to which points exactly?

Tandora is acting buddish with people, that bothers me a lot. Dark Horse might have a point here about meta since, I think he had a point with how Tandora points out BS points to call out people.

You didn't call him scum, right? Do you think he's scum or not? The way I see it you only lynch him because he's a "burden", right?

At this point, I could see it and am willing to say I think Soup is scum. Either way I see him as a burden to town. Scum wants to kill good town players and PRs, this is why I feel as if my point is legit in trusting in EE and Omni for lynching liabilities, some players are going to be anti town, scum wants lylo to be full of distrust and misleading information, I think it is better to remove what we can early, especially on day 1.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

wtf happen to my one at WL, I gotta fix that later. >>

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Rajam and Dark Horse are town if Red Ruy is scum. Do you agree, Gheb?

Also, Red Ruy remains hung up on Asdioh but refuses to mention that I might be scum by association.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

I think Rajam's town anyway. You could be right in regards to Horse but I haven't seen him post enough to make up my mind.

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

Then gheb, what do you think of my 535?

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Ryu, I don't know what you want from me. This is currently my lynch pool:

J / you
Ryker

I'm basically handling my reads to you all on a silver platter. How is that "being reluctant" to give information? I give you the information I *can* give you and the one I'm positive is going to be helpful for town. I could answer all of your questions and they wouldn't get me one step closer to anything I don't know already.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

What of it? You provide nothing worth mentioning or that hasn't been said at some other point. Do you think you're the first to point out Ryu's blatant pseudo-hunting? Why do you think people are voting him?

 

[#HBC | J]

1.) Because the whole point is that I think you're scum and becoming all talky-talky with me makes me think you're fluffing stuff up.
2.) What I don't mention I don't consider conclusive to hunting scum.

Your first point doesn't even make sense.
So asking your opinion on a player who I have yet to find any connections to you with is not conclusive to scum-hunting? I want more connections to you because it seems you are trying to be extremely cautious who you do interact with and who you do call out on.

 

[T-block]

Who are you having trouble reading? I.e. who are your nulls?

Ryker is null to me. I love what he's doing, and I think his actions are pro-town, but it's also very easy for scum to hide behind his style of play. He is the one I have the most trouble reading at the moment. I'm also having trouble reading Soup. Meta suggests his actions aren't anything out of the ordinary for town play. I'm not sold on him being scum.

My town reads... WL feels town to me, and that makes me think Tandora is town from their interactions. Asdioh is town because of the masonry. Ryker does not receive the same read because he seemed slightly annoyed that the masonry was brought up. If someone tells me that a scum-town masonry is very unlikely I might change my mind about that. Dark Horse is sliiiightly leaning town for me because of his reaction to the Rajam wagon. Choice is town as I've said before.

 

[#HBC | J]

Ryu, I don't know what you want from me. This is currently my lynch pool:

J / you
Ryker

I'm basically handling my reads to you all on a silver platter. How is that "being reluctant" to give information? I give you the information I *can* give you and the one I'm positive is going to be helpful for town. I could answer all of your questions and they wouldn't get me one step closer to anything I don't know already.

I feel like Gheb is going through a filter before he speaks especially the way he says that he *gives* info that he *can* and what he *thinks* town needs. I also blatantly refuses to help town by saying he isn't gonna answer questions when asked.

Then he goes for J as scum because of his qualms with my posting style. Then he says Ryker of all people is a lynchee possibility. However he is the exact same as RR in the sense of this. He calls Ryker a scum-suspect but doesn't call Asdioh. If one of Ryker is scum so is Asdioh. He's being selective and I don't like it personally.

I think Rajam's town anyway. You could be right in regards to Horse but I haven't seen him post enough to make up my mind.

Why is Rajam town to you?

FoS: Gheb_01

 

[T-block]

vote: Rajam

Putting my vote back on Rajam. I joined the bandwagon to get things going, but he is now leaning scum for me. He showed very little reaction to the wagon formed against him. As far as I can see, he does not have any reads on anyone based on the wagon against him, which could be scum looking to avoid giving a reaction to analyze. Then he basically disappeared in the midst of pressure, which is rather convenient...

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

What the hell TBlock? Rajam isn't going today after Ruy outed him as town.

Okay Ghebby, let's tango. I figured you were voting me for reads and what not, but you seem to be content to sit there with a vote on me and not go into why, when, where, and how. You and I both know the odds of one of us lynching the other today are slim to none.

With that in mind,

Why do you think I'm scum?
What do you hope to accomplish by voting me?
Realistically, what are the chances of me being lynched today?

 

[T-block]

^forgot to add that meta strongly supports my point there. I have seen him as town in that situation where he went off on pretty much everyone on his wagon.

Red Ryu might be scum... wouldn't mind hearing more from him.

@Red Ryu: Comment on the J-Gheb interaction please? You were looking for something with which to read Gheb - does this tell you anything? Could it be TvS?

@Gheb: You are bothering me. I could see your behaviour being justified if you were in some position to direct/lead town, but there's no way you could be this early in the game. How can you justify flat out refusing to answer questions saying "that's not scumhunting"?

@Ryker: Where did he do that? I've only read what's happened once... still a little behind.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Your first point doesn't even make sense.

Yes, it does. You just don't want it to.

So asking your opinion on a player who I have yet to find any connections to you with is not conclusive to scum-hunting? I want more connections to you because it seems you are trying to be extremely cautious who you do interact with and who you do call out on.

No, it's not necessarily conclusive to hunting scum. My reads on Tandora, JTB, Washled Laundry, T-Block, Asdioh and Dark Horse for example are not conclusive to finding scum. Ask for reads on them for all I care, there's nothing for me to give you on them.

I feel like Gheb is going through a filter before he speaks especially the way he says that he *gives* info that he *can* and what he *thinks* town needs. I also blatantly refuses to help town by saying he isn't gonna answer questions when asked.

See, that's where the problem lies. For some reason you're under the wrong impression that me not answering every question right away means I "blatantly refuse to help town". Why are misconstruing these things? I can help town without answering every inane question you pose. You don't need to know what I think of JTB or Tandora in order to know that I think scum is between you, Red Ruy and Ryker.

I consider this a very weak attempt of a "trap" at best. Demand an absolute stance of me and call me out on it again as soon as it turns out false. An age-old scum trick.

Then he goes for J as scum because of his qualms with my posting style. Then he says Ryker of all people is a lynchee possibility. However he is the exact same as RR in the sense of this. He calls Ryker a scum-suspect but doesn't call Asdioh. If one of Ryker is scum so is Asdioh. He's being selective and I don't like it personally.

Ryker is suspicious.
Asdioh is not suspicious.

Asdioh being possibly scum only occurs if Ryker flips scum to begin with and he's currently "only" #3 on my scum list. But before Ryker doesn't flip scum I have no reason - based on how they play - to believe that Asdioh is scum.

Why is Rajam town to you?

FoS: Gheb_01

I mentioned that earlier. It's easy to miss some of my crucial reads if you're not reading my posts carefully. Asking for reads and asking somebody to spoonfeed you the whole game are two different things.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Dude, have you not seen how long he's been voting me?

**** meta. What meta could possibly matter with regards to Rajam? In fact, don't answer that as IT DOESN'T MATTER! Your case is weak as hell and makes you look terrible. If Red Ruy didn't need to be lynched today, you would be going.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

Then gheb, what do you think of my 535?

Why does this matter? Why would town care about one town's opinion when it's the majority that decides if he lives or dies?

Gheb, Asdioh, possibly Soupamario.

Soup should be obvious at this point.

I'm not convinced on Asdioh his points at me seem to be rather short and lack backing

So a guy who's not giving you anything more than what you need, a guy who's attacking you, and an easy lynch.

Hm.

I don't see what here he did to show why I was scummy. With half sarcastic remarks he goes over me without anything to show what I did that was scummy.

Ask him to elaborate then? Not rocket science.

His case is on you for tunnel vision and trying to fake the amount of content you've actually submitted. I agree, his first reason is a tad bit bull****, but the rest of it's understandable.

Ryker is null to me. I love what he's doing, and I think his actions are pro-town, but it's also very easy for scum to hide behind his style of play.

FUD.

Gheb is being unresponsive in some areas and I want him to answer, he's being reluctant for something he should explain, he's placed reads and votesand I want to get more from the "Why" department.

I feel like Gheb is going through a filter before he speaks especially the way he says that he *gives* info that he *can* and what he *thinks* town needs. I also blatantly refuses to help town by saying he isn't gonna answer questions when asked.

Anyone else see the similarity?

So asking your opinion on a player who I have yet to find any connections to you with is not conclusive to scum-hunting? I want more connections to you because it seems you are trying to be extremely cautious who you do interact with and who you do call out on.

Connections are flimsy evidence and it's not a good idea to base a lynch or read around them.

 

[T-block]

Gheb, where do you get off thinking you can dictate what's best for town? Your attitude only works when you are a trusted town member, and you are not at the moment. Do you think it's wrong for anyone to think you are scummy for this?

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

EBWOP: He'd been.

Gheb, there's a difference between spoonfeeding and expanding on a read. The only reason I don't think you're necessarily scum is the fact that you dislike Red Ruy.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Should also be noted how Ryu and J are chainsawing each other when making their "cases" on me.

Okay Ghebby, let's tango. I figured you were voting me for reads and what not, but you seem to be content to sit there with a vote on me and not go into why, when, where, and how. You and I both know the odds of one of us lynching the other today are slim to none.

With that in mind,

Why do you think I'm scum?
What do you hope to accomplish by voting me?
Realistically, what are the chances of me being lynched today?

FYI I'm not voting for you atm. My vote's on J and it's closer to Ryu than on you should I switch votes. Other than your "fake" confidence earlier I find it hard to put my finger on why you're scummy. I'm not ready to cast a final judgment on it yet ... maybe I've drawn conclusions too hastily but I'm going to solidify my vote on you anyway before I vote you again.

@Gheb: You are bothering me. I could see your behaviour being justified if you were in some position to direct/lead town, but there's no way you could be this early in the game. How can you justify flat out refusing to answer questions saying "that's not scumhunting"?

Read above.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Gheb, where do you get off thinking you can dictate what's best for town? Your attitude only works when you are a trusted town member, and you are not at the moment. Do you think it's wrong for anyone to think you are scummy for this?

Gheb/TBlock scum team if Red Ruy doesn't flip scum.

 

[T-block]

Dude, have you not seen how long he's been voting me?

**** meta. What meta could possibly matter with regards to Rajam? In fact, don't answer that as IT DOESN'T MATTER! Your case is weak as hell and makes you look terrible. If Red Ruy didn't need to be lynched today, you would be going.

I'm not following. How long who's been voting you?

 

[Asdioh]

freaking figures I have to go to work while the thread's actually active. >:E

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Gheb, where do you get off thinking you can dictate what's best for town? Your attitude only works when you are a trusted town member, and you are not at the moment. Do you think it's wrong for anyone to think you are scummy for this?

I know what I can help town with and what not. With my reads on most of the people mentioned in these questions I can not help town. It doesn't lead to any conclusions and therefore is inconclusive to hunting scum.

It's not that hard to understand.

EBWOP: He'd been.

Gheb, there's a difference between spoonfeeding and expanding on a read. The only reason I don't think you're necessarily scum is the fact that you dislike Red Ruy.

And what it there's nothing to explain?

I mentioned already that I'm going to give my reads on my own if I think the time is right and that my reads are conclusive. If there's one consistency in my game play then it's this: that I speak my mind when I've made it up.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

Gheb/TBlock scum team if Red Ruy doesn't flip scum.

I'm tentatively adding Dork Horse to this but otherwise agreed. Some of the things TBro and DH are saying to Gheb seem out of place for townies interacting with townies.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

FYI I'm not voting for you atm. My vote's on J and it's closer to Ryu than on you should I switch votes. Other than your "fake" confidence earlier I find it hard to put my finger on why you're scummy. I'm not ready to cast a final judgment on it yet ... maybe I've drawn conclusions too hastily but I'm going to solidify my vote on you anyway before I vote you again.

I EBWOPed.

So stop saying I'm so suspicious with such flimsy reasoning when there are people who look much worse (here's looking at TBlock). Just saying it over and over really does get it into people's heads. Either solidify your reasoning or drop the attack on my credibility.

Choice, where is your head at? If Dark Horse is scum, who are his scumbuddies?