Deconfirmed characters that keep you salty?

[Deleted member]

Isaac and Rex/Pyra.

Isaac was popular and one of the biggest requests in the fandom yet he got an Assist yet again. He's also from an unrepresented Nintendo franchise and those being added is always a good thing not to mention that Golden Sun was really popular and would've repped the GBA amazingly.

Rex/Pyra also confused me when they weren't added cause they were popular, liked and wanted by Sakurai, The game sold well, They would've expanded the Xenoblade franchises representation and Xenoblade is becoming one of Nintendo's bigger franchises, They would've brought a unique playstyle and mechanic, Etc.

Those two not making it in was a big missed opportunity but I wouldn't even really say I was salty about it just disappointed.

 

[BlackInk]

Have you been seeing the same DLC as I have? Especially that Rex costume bit. I say we get Byleths (oh joy) and that's it for Nintendo representation. Cause, why would they cater to Nintendo fans in their DLC?

If Bayonetta gets a second fighter before Sonic, that would be a travesty. It's already one that Sonic wasn't the first to get two.

Yeah, the Rex costume thing kinda confirms that Nintendo sees him as viable fighter for their game. Plus, Nintendo fans obviously still want some more Nintendo stuff from Nintendo.

 

[Arthur97]

Yeah, the Rex costume thing kinda confirms that Nintendo sees him as viable fighter for their game. Plus, Nintendo fans obviously still want some more Nintendo stuff from Nintendo.

Except the wording really made it look like he isn't coming till the next one.

And if they cared about Nintendo fans we probably wouldn't be looking at four (most likely five) third party DLC fighters in the pass. One of which never even had his main game released on Switch. Banjo is pretty much the only one designed to appeal to them.

Though, with XC getting remade again, I actually wouldn't mind Fiora. We still don't have a dual wielder after all.

 

[Rangez]

Isaac and Rex/Pyra.

Isaac was popular and one of the biggest requests in the fandom yet he got an Assist yet again. He's also from an unrepresented Nintendo franchise and those being added is always a good thing not to mention that Golden Sun was really popular and would've repped the GBA amazingly.

Rex/Pyra also confused me when they weren't added cause they were popular, liked and wanted by Sakurai, The game sold well, They would've expanded the Xenoblade franchises representation and Xenoblade is becoming one of Nintendo's bigger franchises, They would've brought a unique playstyle and mechanic, Etc.

Those two not making it in was a big missed opportunity but I wouldn't even really say I was salty about it just disappointed.

The only reason Rex & Pyra missed out as being newcomers was due to bad timing when their home title was released, in contrast to when the project plan for Ultimate was finalized back in 2015, same goes for Spring Man.

 

[Arthur97]

I mean, Sakurai did play through a beta of BotW to see how to match Link. Granted, apples to oranges as Link already had a moveset, but still, the issue is that they canned Rex for DLC too despite timing not really being an issue since, apparently, they didn't even have enough of Joker done at launch to have a proper trailer (something which Terry seems to be continuing, but he might be slightly more complete).

 

[Hollywoodrok12]

Shantae and Bandana Dee (yes I think spirits deconfirm, since Sakurai and the President of Nintendo of Japan implied DLC will still be most if not all 3rd party even after the Fighter's Pass. [If you want to debate about it, I have a dormant thread that I can't revive without plugging due to double posting]).

I feel that Shantae, along with Shovel Knight, started a sort of Nindies revolution, because a lot of people got into Nindies with Shantae and the Pirate's Curse, Shovel Knight, and their respective Smash Ballot campaigns back in Smash 4. They both deserved the fighter slot, IMO. I preferred Shantae for her lively personality, her moveset potential and being one of the few Nindies with long-running history (the only one who goes all the way back to GBC), and it felt horrible seeing her getting deconfirmed at the last minute of the November 1st Direct with nothing more to show for it than a PNG file with stat boosts (like not even a song?).

And then there's Bandana Dee. As someone who's played most of the Modern Kirby games, I can say that he's the 4th main character of the series and not a Hat Goomba, which IMO, should be enough to get him into the game. Seeing him getting shafted with the rest of Modern Kirby (beyond previously existing content and a Final Smash) in favor of more of the same 4 games that Sakurai worked on was humiliating, especially since BWD got not only a PNG with stat boosts, but also one that's an Enhancement of a normal Waddle Dee. Not only does that mean no Spirit Battle and no 5 seconds of sunlight like most spirits get, but BWD fans also have to deal with even more haters who call him a Hat Goomba who never played a Kirby game beyond Super Star because of the circumstances of the spirit's inclusion enhancing their arguments. IMO, Bandana Dee should have already been in since, again, he's one of the main characters of the Kirby series.

Those 2 were my most wanted by far, and the fact that they are nothing more than footnotes rubs the salt in the wound even more.

 

[Call_Me_Red]

So usually I hear the argument that Waluigi being an Assist Trophy means he's auto-deconfirmed, but I honestly don't think that's true. I still think Waluigi would make an excellent addition to the cast, and there are ways around Waluigi (character) showing up the same as Waluigi (AT).

So of course there will be 8 costumes for Waluigi. This means that if we have 1-7 Waluigi (c) on screen, just make Walugi (AT) one of the unused costumes. Or if we have 8 Waluigi (c), just make it impossible for AT to show up. This is completely possible since you can only have a max of 4 Waluigis (c) in training at one time.

TL;DR It's possible to have both Waluigi as a character and an Assist Trophy and I would truly love for that to happen.

 

[Arthur97]

I mean, yes, it's possible and it may even be a good idea. Doesn't mean it'll happen.

 

[Xelrog]

I expect him and the Octolings as guaranteed first-party dlc. This is Smash’s biggest game so I think Nintendo will want their bigger first-party stuff to get more representation or have at least two fighters and currently, only Splattoon and Xenoblade chronicles are lacking representation. Coming to think of it, we might get another Bayonetta rep despite her series being third-party, because her series is pretty much a Nintendo exclusive.

By what metric? One fighter is plenty for all of those series relative to other series' size and representation.

Why is it a travesty? I see no reason why Sonic needs special treatment among the guests.

I mean... he's only one of the top 5 most recognized gaming franchises in human history, and famously rival to Mario, the headliner of this game and all of Nintendo. Certainly not any bigger than Bayo.

 

[BlackInk]

if they cared about Nintendo fans we probably wouldn't be looking at four (most likely five) third party DLC fighters in the pass. One of which never even had his main game released on Switch. Banjo is pretty much the only one designed to appeal to them.

Though, with XC getting remade again, I actually wouldn't mind Fiora. We still don't have a dual wielder after all.

It’s like you forget how difficult and rare it is to even have anything about Banjo in smash.

By what metric? One fighter is plenty for all of those series relative to other series' size and representation.

Not really, one fighter as a representative for an entire series is more of a third party thing. You know, characters that are very unlikely to comeback. With characters such as Rex, any Pokémon, or Octolings, Nintendo can bring them back pretty easily.

 

[Quillion]

I'd argue that while Xenoblade is a rising star, it's only a rising star, not an established series thus far. It's not pulling at least Kirby numbers.

 

[Arthur97]

It’s like you forget how difficult and rare it is to even have anything about Banjo in smash.

Not really, one fighter as a representative for an entire series is more of a third party thing. You know, characters that are very unlikely to comeback. With characters such as Rex, any Pokémon, or Octolings, Nintendo can bring them back pretty easily.

You kind of lost me on the Banjo thing. By most accounts, Banjo was actually pretty easy to get, and I kind of doubt Microsoft will even still be in the console market come the next Smash.

Only one third party has ever been cut (Snake), and while some are due next time, I'm a bit concerned they may actually prioritize many of them over first party reps. And sometimes it comes to workload. Like, I'm not sure if Wolf will come back if just because he seems to be low priority and if they need to cut someone, he may find himself on the chopping block again if his popularity in Ultimate doesn't save him.

I'd argue that while Xenoblade is a rising star, it's only a rising star, not an established series thus far. It's not pulling at least Kirby numbers.

I mean, it has three games, two of which at least have been received pretty well and the first one is getting re-released again. I think it's established itself at the very least. Also, comparing it's sales to one of Nintendo's big dogs is a bit unfair. It's also an RPG compared to the very casual friendly Kirby series.

 

[SSGuy]

Considering we managed to get Ridley, K.Rool and Banjo in this game, I find it incredibly unfair that Geno got left out.

It feels like such a tease.

 

[Arthur97]

Geno might still be possible since they extended the DLC. That said, him being Mario might actually hurt him. Plus, Square. They may not have been as stingy with DQ, but there was still a distinct lack of remixes.

 

[Quillion]

Ridley, K. Rool, and Banjo are all important characters in their respective franchises. Geno is not.

I know that Sakurai wants Geno and all, but if I were to wager a guess about the unknowns about his exclusion, part of it may be that either Nintendo or Square knows he's ultimately an insignificant character.

 

[Arthur97]

He is important to the Mario RPG sub-series in that he helped set it off. Also, Mario RPGs are mostly unrepresented outside of Peach using a frying pan.

 

[Rangez]

He is important to the Mario RPG sub-series in that he helped set it off. Also, Mario RPGs are mostly unrepresented outside of Peach using a frying pan.

Are you seriously ignoring the fact that there's a Paper Mario stage, or even the numerous Spirits like Vivian & Fawful?

 

[Quillion]

He is important to the Mario RPG sub-series in that he helped set it off. Also, Mario RPGs are mostly unrepresented outside of Peach using a frying pan.

Why? Just because he existed in the first game? That's like saying the Old Man helped set off the Zelda series.

 

[Buzzwole]

I mean, nothing is impossible, but I'd assume assist trophies are off the table.
I'm still bummed about Bomberman. He really feels iconic enough to stand side by side with the other characters on the roster.

 

[Arthur97]

Are you seriously ignoring the fact that there's a Paper Mario stage, or even the numerous Spirits like Vivian & Fawful?

I said mostly. One stage (which only represents two Paper Mario games) and spirits (let's be honest, aren't exactly a big deal). To be fair, I thought of the stage afterward, but still, it's not largely represented.

Why? Just because he existed in the first game? That's like saying the Old Man helped set off the Zelda series.

Because he's a very popular choice for the RPGs and helped Mario into the genre. Besides, it's really either him or Paper Mario.

I mean, is that any less logical than you saying Bayonetta having two games makes her an icon but saying Xenoblade Chronicles hasn't established itself despite having three games?

 

[Xelrog]

Let's be real, Paper Mario didn't get a stage, it got 1/3 of a stage. The other 2/3 are a Sticker Star stage.

 

[Quillion]

Now Paper Mario I can actually see as a character over Geno: Paper Mario has importance, an area where Geno lacks.

Plus there is precedent where spin-off incarnations of Mario can be playable. Spin-off characters are probably off the table.

 

[Arthur97]

Now Paper Mario I can actually see as a character over Geno: Paper Mario has importance, an area where Geno lacks.

Plus there is precedent where spin-off incarnations of Mario can be playable. Spin-off characters are probably off the table.

Are you seriously saying spin offs are off the table after everything that's happened in Ultimate?

 

[Oddball]

He is important to the Mario RPG sub-series in that he helped set it off.

So did Mallow and Smithy and they're both far more important to the actually game than Geno.

 

[Arthur97]

So did Mallow and Smithy and they're both far more important to the actually game than Geno.

Smithy is the final boss you only see once. Not really worth bringing up. Seriously, why would you bring him up?

Mallow is both unpopular and not actually that related to the main plot while it is Geno's mission.

 

[Wunderwaft]

I'd argue that while Xenoblade is a rising star, it's only a rising star, not an established series thus far. It's not pulling at least Kirby numbers.

A remake for the first game literally got announced earlier this month. If it wasn't considered an established series after 2 then how is it not considered one now?

 

[Arthur97]

A remake for the first game literally got announced earlier this month. If it wasn't considered an established series after 2 then how is it not considered one now?

Three, actually. Might be best to ignore them as they seem to think Bayonetta having two games is enough to make her an icon. Now, I'm not saying Xenoblade is iconic by any means, but it is an established series by this point, and since it's first party, I think it'd be more than okay to give it another fighter. Especially with how much they pushed 2 and it seemed fairly well received. Though, Rex would probably go over much better if Pyra was with him cause...well.

 

[Wunderwaft]

Three, actually. Might be best to ignore them as they seem to think Bayonetta having two games is enough to make her an icon. Now, I'm not saying Xenoblade is iconic by any means, but it is an established series by this point, and since it's first party, I think it'd be more than okay to give it another fighter. Especially with how much they pushed 2 and it seemed fairly well received. Though, Rex would probably go over much better if Pyra was with him cause...well.

Oh I know Xenoblade has three games. I said 2 as in reference to Xenoblade Chronicles 2.

 

[Quillion]

Are you seriously saying spin offs are off the table after everything that's happened in Ultimate?

Maybe for ATs and stages they have a place. But could you imagine Linkle or Lana getting in over Skull Kid or Impa? It's best to keep characters main series to keep character selection more reasonable.

 

[Oddball]

Smithy is the final boss you only see once. Not really worth bringing up. Seriously, why would you bring him up?

Why? Because he's the main villain. The guy that actually is responsible for the plot itself. That's kind of important when it comes to plots.

Mallow is both unpopular and not actually that related to the main plot while it is Geno's mission.

Mallow actually has character development, an actual personality, a major subplot, is the first companion Mario gets and is the one that really kicks off the adventure. The main plot may be Geno's mission, but Mario and Mallow are already working on it before they even meet geno. He provided some exposition and a bigger picture, but it's not like the gang wasn't going to try to save the day if he hadn't showed up.

I've never understood why Geno became so popular. He's a pretty bland character.

 

[Arthur97]

Why? Because he's the main villain. The guy that actually is responsible for the plot itself. That's kind of important when it comes to plots.


Mallow actually has character development, an actual personality, a major subplot, is the first companion Mario gets and is the one that really kicks off the adventure. The main plot may be Geno's mission, but Mario and Mallow are already working on it before they even meet geno. He provided some exposition and a bigger picture, but it's not like the gang wasn't going to try to save the day if he hadn't showed up.

I've never understood why Geno became so popular. He's a pretty bland character.

Protagonists get first billing if you haven't noticed, and if you think Geno is boring, then what is Smithy?

Your feelings aside, the fact remains, Geno is the more popular pick, and he has plenty of moveset potential. He really is the only one from Mario RPG for consideration.

 

[SSGuy]

All the bickering about Mario RPGs and importance isn't what should matter. What should matter is what the Smash Community has been asking for during the last two decades. People want to see Heno in Smash Bros as a playable fighter. His importance or significance should not come to question when he is literally top 3 in almost every poll ever out ranking characters who get that luxury multiple times.

 

[Quillion]

All the bickering about Mario RPGs and importance isn't what should matter. What should matter is what the Smash Community has been asking for during the last two decades. People want to see Heno in Smash Bros as a playable fighter. His importance or significance should not come to question when he is literally top 3 in almost every poll ever out ranking characters who get that luxury multiple times.

Goku places high as well, but we all know the restriction on him.

 

[SSGuy]

Goku places high as well, but we all know the restriction on him.

Apples and Oranges. Geno is a video game character.

Edit: I just realized I put Heno. Lol

 

[Arthur97]

Goku places high as well, but we all know the restriction on him.

Just...how is this supposed to be a good argument?

 

[Xelrog]

Protagonists get first billing if you haven't noticed, and if you think Geno is boring, then what is Smithy?

Main characters get first billing. Protag/antag has nothing to do with it.

I don't personally think Geno is important/relevant enough for Smash and I have no attachment to him myself, but I acknowledge that he has a very large fanbase and it's not at all outside the realm of possibility that he could make it in by popularity alone.

 

[Mogisthelioma]

Maybe for ATs and stages they have a place. But could you imagine Linkle or Lana getting in over Skull Kid or Impa? It's best to keep characters main series to keep character selection more reasonable.

Not gonna lie I'd be equally excited for either Linkle or Lana to Skull Kid or Impa. Then again I have yet to play Majora's Mask so I have not much attraction to Skull Kid in the first place.

I don't personally think Geno is important/relevant enough for Smash and I have no attachment to him myself, but I acknowledge that he has a very large fanbase and it's not at all outside the realm of possibility that he could make it in by popularity alone.

It's literally how Banjo & Kazooie got in. I'd say Geno is entirely possible as well, but he is owned by the same company that refused to put more than 2 Final Fantasy songs in the game.

 

[MamaLuigi123456]

I'm not an avid supporter of Isaac or Shadow but their fans DEFINITELY deserved better than having their character shown off as an AT at the very last minute after "hints" that they could make the playable roster.

 

[Quillion]

Apples and Oranges. Geno is a video game character.

Edit: I just realized I put Heno. Lol

Just...how is this supposed to be a good argument?

You know how people argue that Goku would open the door to a lot of non-video game crap?

It's the same thing with spinoff characters. No one would want Lana, Linkle, Rowan, Shareena, Fawful, or the Paper Mario partners. I understand certain spinoff characters are popular, but rules should be rules.

 

[Call_Me_Red]

I'm not an avid supporter of Isaac or Shadow but their fans DEFINITELY deserved better than having their character shown off as an AT at the very last minute after "hints" that they could make the playable roster.

What do you mean by 'hints'?