D.Gray-Man Mafia-Town Wins!

[asianaussie]

I'm also ok with Asdioh and Gova lynches.

Don't know who I really want to lynch at the moment, that's all.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

well, from priority, who do you want dead right now?

if you had a gun, who would you shoot? right now, this second.

 

[JTB]

Give me your reasoning for being ok with a Gova lynch.

 

[Inglorious Retards]

Give me your reasoning for being ok with a Gova lynch.

Remembering to post in a different browser is harder than it looks.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

counter.

give me your read on gova.

 

[Inglorious Retards]

AA, I want your answer pronto.

Soup, I'll answer you after him.

 

[Gova]

I'll give you that last point, but I feel that anytime you have to deflect or defend, it's because there are potentially scummy aspects of play, not 'bad' aspects of play. Why else would you defend if it could be written off purely as lack of skill? Deflecting is basically pushing scummy or poor play onto the other head to imply the slot is actually town. Obviously there is something that can be judged as scummy by somebody. Regardless, this is debating general actions and not your slot's play, so I'll let it rest. I'm not criticising your defence of your slot, it's the fact you had to do it to begin with which is troubling. I suppose some of that could be attributed to people on your wagon, myself included...

lol, I really don't like this paragraph

Bad play and scummy play aren't always the same thing, it's just that people attribute it to being dumb or scum and usally the latter. And you defend it because people are miscontruing your actions, regardless of skill level. And lol, so if someone accuses you and you defend yourself obviously it's troubling that they had to do defend themselves in the first place right? So say I call you scum for a reason and you defend yourself, its pretty troubling that you had to do it in the first place isn't it?

@Gord, yes I would like it if you went into detail regarding July's 245.

Also, betting $5 dollars that AA's reasoning for my lynch is basically a policy lynch.

 

[asianaussie]

You're probably right regarding the policy lynch. Also, JTB was very bent on getting that meta, and EBR wasn't misconstruing anything, just exaggerating. I still think that IR's early game, scummy or not, wasn't really great play.

Regarding me being ok with your lynch...it's more that I don't care for what you've done so far than me actively wanting you gone - you haven't given enough content for that. You're pretty stanceless against scumspects, unless you wanna take a scum stance on me, and you seem bent on staying that way - I recall you defending people as town quite a few times but not once indicating anyone as scum. Having only town-tells D1?

Am I correct in assuming you actually want Asdioh gone? If so, we're cool.

 

[Gova]

Yea, that's why I haven't moved my vote anywhere else yet.

 

[Inglorious Retards]

So, your reasoning for wanting Gova gone was because you didn't believe he had a scum stance on anyone, right?

Now, what about TPK? He is inactive and has no stances against anyone?

Does GLG not count because he has a scumpick, even though you said you disagree with his case against WL?

 

[Inglorious Retards]

Oh yeah, Soup

My read on Gova is null, I don't really remember him doing anything substantial.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I seriously am not liking AA, his pushes except maybe Gova are ones and reasons are reasons taken from other people. When WL posted that pic it is what I have been saying AA, I do see and feel as though you are parroting off of others hard.

 

[Gova]

Oh, AA, exaggerating is definitely misconstruing.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

You're probably right regarding the policy lynch. Also, JTB was very bent on getting that meta, and EBR wasn't misconstruing anything, just exaggerating. I still think that IR's early game, scummy or not, wasn't really great play.

Regarding me being ok with your lynch...it's more that I don't care for what you've done so far than me actively wanting you gone - you haven't given enough content for that. You're pretty stanceless against scumspects, unless you wanna take a scum stance on me, and you seem bent on staying that way - I recall you defending people as town quite a few times but not once indicating anyone as scum. Having only town-tells D1?

Am I correct in assuming you actually want Asdioh gone? If so, we're cool.

what is wrong with this? </3

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Oh yeah, Soup

My read on Gova is null, I don't really remember him doing anything substantial.

I disagree, i think gova has done enough to get a read.

 

[Inglorious Retards]

Good for you then.

Once again, nothing comes to mind when I think about Gova.

 

[asianaussie]

mm, cookies

So, your reasoning for wanting Gova gone was because you didn't believe he had a scum stance on anyone, right?

Now, what about TPK? He is inactive and has no stances against anyone?

TPK hasn't posted. I don't care for him at all, whereas Gova has posted and shown he has read a little, meaning he has had the chance to scumhunt. If Asdioh is his scumpick I don't really care to lynch him now, but if he continues like this it won't be helping town.

Does GLG not count because he has a scumpick, even though you said you disagree with his case against WL?

GLG does not seem scummy. What he did was legitimately try to scumhunt, albeit with meh reasoning and conscious evasion of the big topics at that point. He pointed at who I would argue was one of the most prominent scumhunters at that point, calling him out. I don't think scum would do that.

I seriously am not liking AA, his pushes except maybe Gova are ones and reasons are reasons taken from other people. When WL posted that pic it is what I have been saying AA, I do see and feel as though you are parroting off of others hard.

That's a bit ironic. RR saying that me parroting is a scumtell when you parrot a parrot post. Parrots.

Read up a little, a fair few points I brought to the table on IR were new. EBR acknowledged a point I made that he apparently missed. WL himself reiterated my own point about buddying at one stage. What exactly did I parrot? The bit about IR focusing too much on meta? Oh snap, apparently pointing out the biggest problem with his play is scummy when it's already been acknowledged.

If you parroting call is about me seconding a few peoples' requests for info, then go the hell away. If I want info then I'm going to request it, and if someone else brings up a good request I'm going to second it.

I think you're just sore about me seconding the FoS on you.

Oh, AA, exaggerating is definitely misconstruing.

I always thought misconscrue involved an actual change in meaning. Whatever, this is semantics (deja vu o.o), you win this battle, for whatever it's worth.

what is wrong with this? </3

It's lazy. Goes in with the whole 'not really scumhunting' approach.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Decided to update my bull**** list.

Town -
AA
Red Ryu
WashedLaundry
Gova
Asdioh
Red Ryu

Null -
Inglorious *******
Erupting Buring Ryker
GLG

Scum -
Gordito
July

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

well, from priority, who do you want dead right now?

if you had a gun, who would you shoot? right now, this second.

^ answer this aa.

 

[Asdioh]

Accidentally fell asleep ;_;

Town -
Red Ryu
Gova
Asdioh
Red Ryu

Obvious questions incoming:

Why? And why is RR on there twice?

Null -
Erupting Buring Ryker

smells town to me

Scum -
Gordito
July

And again, why?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

i derped with putting RR there twice.

getting there asdioh, i need to muster up some courage or whatever to make a case.

 

[Asdioh]

Now I'll try to do stuff!

First, I'll answer RR's, and everyone's, confusion regarding my null(scum) -> townie read on WL.

Spoiler

@EBR: I don't think the real question is can you trust me. I think the better question is if I can trust you. Don't make me have to dayvig you down the road just because you're being an unreadable ***** and I don't wanna deal with it.

@Inglorious *******s *******: Same question applies.

@Gova: You are a smart man, and you seem trustworthy. Don't stab me in the back later in the game.

@Soup: A visual reminder:

*Censor dodge*
Pic said I run this **** ~ Red Ryu

First post, same thing people brought up with me, feels fluffy. Asking if you can trust someone in a game of mafia, talking about people being unreadable, fluff. No big deal, yet.

Oh.

Soup's a bit contradictory when he asked if he knows the flavor and yet praises Gova for saying that people shouldn't rely on flavor, yes? Unless you were bull****ting about that "rambling about flavor=town tell" thing.

Already using the word "contradictory" about Soup, when Soup was in fact just directly answering a question honestly, and then stating his approval for someone saying flavor talk was useless. Not a big deal, he's not yet pointing fingers I feel are unjustified.

You're getting at the fact that you think Soup is scum for similarities you see between his Marathon play (where he was scum damn near every game for the people who don't remember/didn't play) and this game? Or do you think he's town?

I just wanted to know if I could trust you. I trust my ability to read Broto better than anyone but that's come through time and experience and Kuz's presence is sullying the whole damn thing like a cheap wine wrought with vinegar.

alright

Because it's pretty obvious what your read is. I just wanted to make sure.

To be fair, I don't have too great of a memory of those games. Two hour games don't stick too well and I wasn't around for his last couple of games, one of which I heard he was town. Hosting another didn't help my memory. I'm willing to vote him if you prove the similarities but I don't exactly remember them in the first place. Since when do you operate off meta?

Washed i am loving and hating your playstyle right now, you bring up points but then you kinda are the shy omnious girl in the corner of the room playing pokemon by herself and can't seem to mutter much out but tries to stick up for herself somewhat.

in other words, you're getting asked questions but then you just go "oh yeah, that's what i wanted, JUST CHECKIN."

Soup reflects my sentiments of WL this game.

because that's like asking me why do some people like eating pizza with a fork and knife but some don't.

it's not my concern how he is comparing you, that's his deal.

cliches are my restriction, who knew.

Bull**** it's not.

vote: Soup

@EBR: That doesn't answer my question.

The bolded is where I think "wut" and my "WL doesn't feel as town as I'm used to" feeling grows stronger.

It has nothing to do with EBR. It has to do with the fact that someone is making a serious connection based on meta and the only thing you're content on doing is sitting in an armchair and telling others how to play or what you dislike about their play, neglecting to even mention what others are saying. The post was even a mixed bag, saying you both "liked and hated" it, so the entire thing screamed null to me. Your only points brought up have been answers about flavor and stupid RVS stuff. You hate being told you're not scum hunting but there's not even a subtle hint that you are at the moment, from my point of view.

unvote
Vote: Washedlaundry

y u no feel town? Ever since your first post you've seemed grimier than the townWL I'm used to seeing. Speaking of your first post:This confused me because I looked, and I don't see EBR directing anything at you?


@EBR: where is your Soup scumread coming from? I don't think I've ever played a game where he was scum.

These posts were made at the exact same time. If I had seen that before voting, I might have second-guessed myself.

Okay, Asidoh. I can agree that I feel grimier and I have to assume that my indecision at first was what did it. EBR never did ask that question. I was playing off him asking others if they could trust those people. Your scumread on me is based off a misconception?

WL even agrees with me that he's grimy. My read wasn't based on what he said alone, though, as you see.

Not really. That part just stuck out to me as strange. Half of your posts just don't feel right.

Ok, Soup answered the only question directed at him at the time, and then later praised someone for disregarding flavor. No big deal.

Asking people if you can trust them in a game of mafia? C'mon.
Then you presumably voted for him because he mentioned a restriction? :/


I just don't see how you can see scumSoup at this point. His play seems "normal Soup" to me thus far.

@Asdioh
I'm really not sure about WL, i have seen WL scum in action and he is alot more composed and not this frivolous with everything, i know it sounds like one of those occums razor situations but i don't think WL is scum at this instance despite the obvious scumminess.

unvote

Stuff like this helped my Soup townread.

Okay.

I wasn't sure what EBR was getting at. He was making a comparison to Marathon mafia and I don't have the greatest of memories regarding that series of games. I was trying to get some clarification out of him.

EBR has done it this exact game. Not a single qualm about them?

Misconception. Read my other posts, I've stated why I voted him. It's not a strong vote but it's a vote with some reason nonetheless.



EBR sees it too. I don't like Soup's lack of action thus far. I agree with EBR when he says that Soup's posting a lot of fluff and I see a lot of inaction in his posts, despite being called out for things. He's starting to remedy it, but I'm not sold until his vote on me becomes legitimate or he moves it somewhere else.

Speak of the damn devil. Put it somewhere else and make me think you're doing something. All I see is a long string of inaction and ignorance and it's worrying me.

Here it starts becoming clear to me that WL really has been trying to get reads on Soup and EBR.

But right now it is.

Good job, Soup. You're doing things now.
unvote

I know Hydras aren't unreadable. Just they're very good at covering their tracks! I'm not Tandora dammit.

Anyway.

After rereading like five times, IR looks grodiest now.
vote: IR
However, question for others: Is it because he's using meta for his vote?

EBWOP: Murky question, let me clarify. I meant: Is it because they're using meta that you are voting them?

He reread, gives a scumpick after being satisfied with his former scumpicks. Looks pretty good to me, even if he hasn't gone into specifics on why IR is scummy yet.

That post you quoted and voted him for earlier, that made me think a little bit. Originally I dismissed it as nothing but I went and looked at it again and, considering his post before it, it struck me as off too. He wanted a guaranteed "master of flavor" as he called it for the game, but then the next post, he's calling it unimportant?

It did jump him onto my scum reads. His attack on me is a bit grody as well, especially because of his "WL is always town, the fact that he's null means he's scum" thing. dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb

and asidoh is better than that.

Can you clarify what "Not quite" means? Go in-depth. I want to understand your vote on him.

I see no reason to view him as scum. What he's asking lines up with what I'm thinking and his questions have good motive behind them.

Let me work through it. I do have a reason for it but let me work through what I'm trying to do.

Yes but questions generally have some actual thing they want to know from them. You had:
Not a question
Easy question to ask.
Not a question.

And then you asked about flavor as if you were interested in someone to confirm or deny a potential claim, but then dismissed this interest the second someone said that it's unimportant.

Seems mad scummy.

You have me at null. Your vote is currently on me. You have IR as null-leaning-scummy. That obviously suggests you feel worse about IR than you do about me. Yet you refuse to do anything about it and would prefer to sit on a null read? And this are two null reads amidst a sea of what I imagine to be nulls?

Since you saw my vote:




answer my gogdamn question

u so useless y

All of these just seem townie to me. :/

I know, right?

Now, is it just my imagination, or is this game actually not moving that quickly as far as Dgames mafia games go?

I'm gonna be wary of you. I already said you give me a townie vibe when you are town. Rather than that though, your earlier play gave me an uneasy feeling, the same I felt when I was reading another certain game that I signed up as a replacement for, in which you flipped scum.

However, your recent string of posts look like town thought process. Maybe I'm a sucker for multiposting?

*looks at DH's votecount and realizes I'm not even on it for some reason*


Uhhhh

unvote
Vote: IngloRetards
Request accurate? votecount
Now HLOD ON mister. Just because I'm not giving town/scum lists doesn't mean I'm stanceless. I have some town reads that I don't care to divulge just yet, but don't forget that the game just started recently and exactly 1/3 of the players have done literally nothing yet.

Then I unvote and move on to IR, who at the time had just asked for meta and done pretty much nothing else.

I voted for a null extremely early in the game, and then later voted someone else when I was satisfied. Why has this haunted me so?

 

[Asdioh]

Now, the people on my wagon.

Asdioh (5) -Gova, July, IR, Gord, RR

[COLLAPSE="Gova"]

Vote: Asdioh for calling me a stalker.

RVS vote.

@Asdioh, yes for as long as this L.A. Noire high I have lasts, which will also be renewed tomorrow since some DLC is coming out.

What makes you think flavor will be important?

@Wl, I am the best at being trustworthy as it is one of my many interests.

@Asdioh, do all people that play different seem scummy to you? How does this apply to WL because I'm not seeing what you are.

@Kuz, I know you said somewhere that you can read soup very well. How long will it take you to get a concrete read on him?

Here he starts doing something that resembles something. He asks where my read on WL comes from, and says he doesn't see it. Wants to know when EBR will have a Soup read. Current thoughts on Gova: null.

Okay /sarcasm though that's hardly believeable since theres no reasoning as far as I can see and your read changed from scum to town relatively quickly.

See; the orignal question or if it no longer applies, is your read on soup concrete now?

It could, so I might as well ask. How well can you read him? As for your question, I don't have a read on him yet, this was all about getting a read on you. I don't like the continuous question dodging that you're doing.

So you wouldn't answer a question you think is stupid even if the person asking it thought they could get a read on you from it?

You mean like trying to get a read on EBR? Okay /sarcasm

I don't know. It could mean you won't answer my question, it could mean you won't give me your read on Soup, it could mean you won't let me get a read on you, or it could mean something entirely different because I don't remember you promising me anything.

Neither is indicitive of alignment, it's just a foundation to help me determine alignment later on in the game.



You acknowledge then that you're finding WL scummy because you don't get a town vibe from him? That's how it reads to me and it makes no sense. Hell, everyone must be scummy to you since they're null because you don't have their usual town read on them right?

SO much null stuff, just about supposedly getting reads on Soup/EBR.
Then he does the same callout others do for me for my read on WL.

@Gheb, I don't think the things said about you will stick. I personally don't see what the big deal is either about trying to read a new dgames player. I think the problem is that you didn't have a satisfactory answer with what you were doing, or planning on doing with the knowledge once your question had been answered.



I almost didn't see this at first, but this is a very subtle way to cast doubt on July especially when you had her as town earlier. Why did your read change?

Current stances I can glean from Gova: wants to get a read on EBR/Soup by.. doing something, dislikes my read on WL, doesn't seem to necessarily agree with the wagon on IR I think, and calls Soup out on something he finds suspicious. So... maybe thinks WL is town or null, maybe thinks IR is town or null, is paying attention to Soup, one way or another.

Didn't Gheb just come in defending his partner's actions? That doesn't seem like deflecting to me.

How am I implying it's good? Gheb was defending his partner from the issue at hand, aka the meta incident as far as I see it, which is not deflecting. I asked WL how Gheb was deflecting and then he was like oh, it's the thing about his stance on AA or something.

@Gova: Have you placed a vote besides your RVS vote on me? Do you think it still belongs there? What are your thoughts on IR, Soup, and EBR?

@Asdioh, No. I don't know but I don't see anywhere better to put it yet. Uh, I don't know and I guess the other two are town.

lol, I really don't like this paragraph

Bad play and scummy play aren't always the same thing, it's just that people attribute it to being dumb or scum and usally the latter. And you defend it because people are miscontruing your actions, regardless of skill level. And lol, so if someone accuses you and you defend yourself obviously it's troubling that they had to do defend themselves in the first place right? So say I call you scum for a reason and you defend yourself, its pretty troubling that you had to do it in the first place isn't it?

@Gord, yes I would like it if you went into detail regarding July's 245.

Also, betting $5 dollars that AA's reasoning for my lynch is basically a policy lynch.

Yea, that's why I haven't moved my vote anywhere else yet.

Oh, AA, exaggerating is definitely misconstruing.

As I've said, I feel like Gova is the most stanceless active player. He's asking very few questions and giving very few reads. He seems like he wants me lynched "just because" at this point. A wagon happened to line up with his RVS vote, and the only reason he's given for it is my early read on WL and then vote switch, which I've had to explain so many times now.
[/COLLAPSE]



[COLLAPSE="July"]first few posts are opening shenanigans, nothing to talk about there

These questions are fluffy, not sure what you would even gain from the answers to these. Especially the one to gord...which really isn't even a question.



I know nothing about the flavor, this goes along with the earlier questions that I really don't like, especially not this early in the game.



Current thoughts on EBR?

And I've had a pretty good amount of experience against Kuz, and some against Ryker so I have confidence in my ability to read EBR as well.





EBR, why did you answer Soup's question to WL before he had the chance to?

Despite that, #117 from EBR does strikes me as town Ryker.



Is there a reason you call IR grodiest and vote him, but then ask others why they are voting them instead of clarifying your own vote? And I mean other than because you may influence their answer, because that's not a huge concern when the answer is yes or no.

However, if you are insistent on waiting for EBR, Gord, and Soup's responses, then I would like your answer to the question after theirs.

Vote: Asdioh

His first few posts were strange, they contained a lot of fluff and a lot of questions that I don't understand his reasons for asking.

@Asdioh: You've played with Gova before in Pizza. How do you feel about his play here so far?

@IR: Hi Gheb! Last time I saw you we were scum together. So far your play has not been great, but honestly not what I expect from scum Gheb. Idk know much about JTB's play though, so IGMEOY until we hear more from your hydra.

@Soup: How do you feel about WL from your interactions?

calling me out on fluffy questions early on, which is null for both parties at this point.
Rest of the post, she's asking questions and giving stances. Makes a vote, even if it's on me. Looks pretty good so far.

@EBR: Oh well, I would be wrong about who posted, but that post still gives me a town vibe so idc.



Fair enough, I still find the questions scummy but there's not much more I can say about it.



The first part I like, and I agree with your town read on Soup. However, you have been focused on WL's suspicions of Soup. How do you feel about Gord and his #119 in which he said Soup needs more attention to be paid? Do you feel Gord's suspicions are more justified than WL?

@PaprikaKiller: What do you think of the WL v. Soup discussion that happened earlier? As in did it feel T v. T, T v. S, or S v. S to you.

more doing stuff.

Kk. I'm fine with giving you time to work through what you are trying to do, I'm just interested to see where you are going with it.



This is true, the only person I've seen consistently worry about flavor is Nabe. I've been in a couple games with Asdioh and he never seen him worry about flavor before. It doesn't make sense that he is worrying about it now when it never bothered him before.



Actually I like the fact that he didn't just do what EBR told him to do here:



The thing I don't like is that it's not clear from his last post rather he has read and kept up with the thread or not. If he is still reading, then I can understand not having scum picks yet, but if he is all caught up then he has to have some leads. He seems hesitant to pursue scum picks atm and idk how I feel about that 5 pages into the game and with plenty of content to discuss. I want to here more from Bardull.

Since we are not even 24 hours into the first Day, people not having a chance to post yet doesn't bother. But this I don't particularly like:



FoS: Red Ryu

You were in the thread to edit WL's post, but you didn't even say hi, place an rvs vote, or anything *sad panda*

Seriously though, I'm just confused as to why there wasn't even a stop-in hi post from you. Who are your scum picks? And what are your thoughts on the IR wagon?

Meh. This sparked pointless talk about how the FoS was bad or whatever. I kind of agree with her view here, that it was weird for RR to edit a post (which is doing his job, yeah yeah) but not say anything.


She has a few more posts, but they're fairly long, and I don't have anything specific to say about them. I'll just say that she is asking questions and giving stances in pretty much every post, and it looks pretty good.
[/COLLAPSE]



[COLLAPSE="Gord"]

Ufufu.



I'm not hydraing mang it's just Gord here. Sorry for the confuzzle. But yee bro it was my lack of confidence, and my desire to take myself to lylo and quickvote RadFic there that crushed town's win. I've stopped giving a f*** who's got a good reputation and whatthe**** ever, because now I KNOW I'm one of, if not, THE best players here and I will lead my town to victory.



You think MM and normal forum maf can compare wrt metaing and whatnot? I'll need to be convinced.



This.

@WL hydras are one playerslot, irregardless of the amount of players that are using said account. If you can't read them, then try a little harder rather than pulling a Tandora and exhausting all of your energy into *****ing about the hydra's presence. It hinders your ability to play.



Why is it that you're parading through DGames calling yourself a much better player bla bla bla when you aren't doing jack shiz? PLEASE riddle me that.



Can you, like, do something?

Vote: Soup

@EBR



FoS IR

Why didn't you just admit that there was no reason for asking for a summary of his games? What does him telling you his summaries have to do with anything if you can't read it yourself? If you're gonna be that easy all game just tell me now bro.



Totes didn't read this before the saying the previous paragraph btw.

Hmmmm... Okay Soup's playing now.

Unvote Vote: IR

TPK July and Red Ruy need to post. IR needs a wagon, and Soup needs more attention to be paid, and Laundry's looking... a bit more passive than what I like. But not something I'll call scum for.

Gord


~June 20, 2011. 2:49 PM

Gova, stop drilling a useless argument. No reads are concrete in Day 1 anyway, so why don't you focus on something more important?

Gordy

~June 20, 2011. 3:06 PM

How is EBR's Soup read confidence indicitave of alignment? How is the answer indicitave of alignment? Your scum hunting is making no sense to me.

~June 21, 2011. 11:13 AM



Hmm... EBR...



Why is it that you need to be forced to do something? Why are you try'na be as stanceless as possible? Why am I putting you in question so much?



I'll do this in a jiffy. I promise <3



Man I wish I can watch Asdioh squirm after lookin at this.

It's things like this that make me think of a possible Asdioh-****** scum team. Or asdioh voting an easywagon town ****** with hopes of sneaking on. But the former sounds better.



I kinda thought the same thing, but can you really cast suspicion for that? Activity is a null tell for now. Better to not exhaust your energy into somebody that's not even here, if you get what I'm saying.

I find it weird that EBR didn't move his vote to Asdioh. Noteworthy.

Unvote Vote Asdioh

Deserving of equal pressure.

~June 21, 2011. 2:33 PM

So WL wants reasoning behind ******'s vote.



Them talking about wanting meta is not scummy in itself. Rather, it's the fact that early on, it was their primary, and almost sole purpose. It's as if ****** was making lack of meta his excuse for not scum hunting, when there was plenty more room to do so. In fact, I was reading back looking at ******'s post, and there was almost, if not absolutely, nothing substantial that didn't involve meta until page 5 (40ppp). It's the fact that he seems to be try'na set up personal hindrances to scum hunting.

Well that's my reason at least.

~June 22, 2011. 9:55 AM

God soup you take too long to not answer a question well.



The difference between EBR and ****** is that EBR has proved that meta is not going to stop or prevent his play from happening, when ****** basically uses the lack of meta as an excuse for why he's NOT doing shiz. Condensed: EBR still played the game, while ****** didn't.

He's definitely giving stances, though at this point it doesn't feel like anything new.

~June 22, 2011. 1:28 PM

I feel like I'm on the same wavelength as WL. I really took notice that, rather than Gheb try'na scum hunt personally, he's try'na work off what made his slot scummy. In other words, deflecting. I'm truly fine with either of Asdioh or ****** dying today, with no true preference of who goes when.

She got me to understand her lack of IR scum read, for the most part. I'm sure there was other shiz but I'm really tired. If you want me to elaborate I will when I get back on.

~June 24, 2011. 8:47 AM

The post was pre' outlandish if you ask me AA. But it's all good mang.

If you can read back and give me two scum picks + reasons, that'd be simply delightful. May you do me the solid?

[/COLLAPSE]

bleh, feeling burned out at this point. Gonna save IR for last because he has a lot more posts than the others on my wagon.


[COLLAPSE="Red Ruy"]

I'm interested in this as well.



Valid response.

+ points to WL.



Umm what? Your calling him out on meta, explain what pattern he is breaking.



So what is your case on them for this game for the non meta part?

~

At page 4 atm, glanced over the rest of the game.

July and Aus can take their BS FoS and shove it.

The first few quotes/responses in this post (which I omitted) were meh. Gives some townie points, cool. Calling me out for the same thing everyone is, woohoo. Already kinda defensive over a FoS, woo.

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?p=12906928#post12906928 is long. He's obviously reading the thread, and answers questions and asks his own. His vote on me was predictable I guess, after pointing me out as suspicious before. Still pretty defensive over a couple mere FoSes.

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How curious.



Yes.



I believe you are blending.

Your #171 made this more apparent to me. Your #183 had a jab at EBR which you seem to ignore the other posts he made. Why did that post catch your attention over the others?



Just a feeling? I ain't buying it, give me something more legitimate.



I was bust at the time. Poking in to check on it, I read to page two see the pic and removed it.

July put a lot of focus on that and it bothered me quite a bit, along with Aus jumping in.[/QUOTE][COLOR="Wheat"]Has some suspicion on AA for "blending" with his FoS. Sticking with his suspicions on me for my read on WL, really wants me to elaborate on it.[/COLOR]
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"..."

Soup I am curious about your rational for placing me as town so quickly, I do feel as though saying that I am usually town is not a valid reason.

You should use what I have done in this game to define your read on me, so in this game, have I done anything to solidify a town read? Be honest do you feel I have done anything that places me more town that some of your other reads?[/QUOTE][COLOR="Wheat"]Legitimate concern for why Soup called him town so quickly.[/COLOR]

[quote="Red Ryu, post: 12920380"]I seriously am not liking AA, his pushes except maybe Gova are ones and reasons are reasons taken from other people. When WL posted that pic it is what I have been saying AA, I do see and feel as though you are parroting off of others hard.[/QUOTE][COLOR="Wheat"]Cool cool.[/COLOR]
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Ok now my reads on the four I've looked through. Before I go through all of IR's posts, I'll say that he's been looking better lately. After he stopped looking for meta and talking of little else, it looks like he's actually doing stuff.

Gova: he is my biggest scumpick right now. I'll have to look through the rest of the roster tomorrow, but Gova particularly stood out to me by not standing out at all. It feels like he's playing extremely safe, trying to get answers out of people and looking like he's contributing when he's really not doing much at all.

July: null leaning town. The town part is explained where I say she's asking good questions and isn't afraid to give her reads. The null part comes from where she fooled me by being my strongest townread in Pizza, so that part comes from meta.

IR: null until I read him again. Looks better than he did earlier.

Gord: looks like he's doing stuff. I don't want to lynch him, at the very least.

Red Ruy: seems alright.



EBR's silence the past couple days has been deafening.
TPK's nonexistence, unfortunately, was predictable :c
I'll give moar reads if you want it.

 

[asianaussie]

well, from priority, who do you want dead right now?

if you had a gun, who would you shoot? right now, this second.

Surprised I missed this. Back at that point...probably Asdioh. Asdioh has since done stuff though. Right now, uh...

Spoiler

my obnoxious 14yo neighbour with awful taste in music

IR. I literally flipped a coin between IR and Asdioh. 5c coin came in handy.

Asdioh, what do you think of GLG? Am I correct in saying you read Gord as null?

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

~June 25, 2011. 8:54 AM.

Apologies. If you had asked me a day or two ago, I'd be unreserved in answering, but right now I have a couple leaning scum (Asdioh and IR) and not much else...I'll re-read this afternoon and try to change that up.

I don't care. Read back and make me feel better about you disliking them.

What a wonderful blue colour.

I'm still okay with a IR lynch.

You're a loon. You're not okay with the IR lynch, seeing as you were complacent with their (relatively outlandish and dumb) post toward you. Can't just sneak your way back there.

Now I get people's weariness toward AA.

He's explaining and sticking to his guns, rather then back down, i like his assertion with his defense, and he makes good points, and to be quite frank gives me a different side to look at this, i was concerned of his stifle, but what he says is true and that is he did (or was) going to use that somewhere, then i'm fine with that, i'm also okay with defending his own butt too, as i wasn't before, he is apart of the hydra, he does have to have say in things, he can't just grovel and do nothing, yknow.

it's a good rebbutal, it's nothing special, but it's a good post, even though i know that's the gheb side speaking, i'm satisfied with their answers.

I feel the need to point out that I respectfully disagree with your stance.

Don't know who I really want to lynch at the moment, that's all.

well, from priority, who do you want dead right now?

if you had a gun, who would you shoot? right now, this second.

I lol'd.

Decided to update my bull**** list.

Oh coolio we're getting stan-

Scum -
Gordito

/will wait to see if you really have anything.

I'm liking Asdioh more. Might have to reread, but there are def. people that should die before em. Still mad hating on ******, but asianaussie is really looking off.

Unvote

Vote: AA

Lack of votes on him is sad. we should get off of Asdioh and get on em.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Well gord, your above is a good example, what's your reason for aa being grody? i think he's fine, hell, he's one of my more stronger town-reads.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

actually, i do remember aa going and spouting his unvote and then still saying he was ok with IR dying, i'm not sure if he ever did follow up on that, hold up.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

~June 25, 2011. 9:27 AM.

"Action X is bad, thus person A is scummy"?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

never did.

alright, let's see here gordo, i'll ISO AA.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

~June 25, 2011. 9:29 AM.

Obtw that post of mine was coinciding with the fact that you think I'm wrong, and think I'm scummy for it. Which is faulty logic.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

@ninja

that's fine, i haven't been paying much attention to detail of aa.

and that's what i think you are scummy for, where you ever got that is beyond me, i never implicated my reasons yet, in fact, i'm trying to see the aa case right now because i have been down this road before and it caused a mislynch, so i can be wrong.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

while you're here, explain why YOU DO disagree with me? (assuming the IR part)

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

The results are in: I think some certain things bother me about aa but i don't think it bothers me as much as you do, AA's first post was indeed sheepish but his latter post shows some serious scumhunting and had backbone, i feel all your posts are just are just insignificant and they don't help, sure, you'll point a finger or two, but act on it? no, **** that noise, let's just keep pointing fingers.

vote: Gordito

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

inb4 you say "i'm acting on aa!"

neato, first thing i've seen you done, still pretty weak.

multiposting sure makes me look town, right asdioh?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

aa, could you give me your reasons to why you STILL think asdioh is scummy? same goes with IR, i guess.

actually, **** that, just give me your reads in a list.

 

[asianaussie]

You're a loon. You're not okay with the IR lynch, seeing as you were complacent with their (relatively outlandish and dumb) post toward you. Can't just sneak your way back there.

And here I thought we could be civil. Looks like I'm a loon, guys.

Yeah, I'm posting it twice in one day.

Scummy
IR
Asdioh

Null
Gova
Gord
TPK
RR
GLG

Towny
WL
EBR
Soup

No hard reads since I'm a wuss.

Right, about IR. I only liked that one post. I in no way cleared him, merely took him off from being someone I would specifically pursue as scum (as opposed to reading everyone for scummy stuff). I don't know what votes mean to everyone else, so if you find me unvoting scummy, whatever.

Asdioh looks a tad better now. I still dislike the fact that he pushed a vibe scumread at all, even that early. Asdioh does not seem like the sort of person who would carelessly do that, so I'll use vibes as well and say it does not read right in addition to the lack of content. Until the most recent couple of posts, he was not proactive at all, just defending himself, though he did try to get Gova to talk a number of times...a rather arbitrary namedrop that he can push when he feels it convenient - ie. now, where Gova is his listed scumpick.

For some reason I can believe Asdioh/WL scumteam even though I think WL is pretty towny...it just popped into my head...

 

[Gova]

Dang, Asdioh with that bias! Just because you explain something doesn't mean I'll believe it or find it a satisfactory answer. I mean we could only hope that everytime someone says "I'm not scum, honest!" that they'd be telling the truth. I also think you have a few questions for me.

@Gord, you should really go into detail about what I asked you earlier.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

For some reason I can believe Asdioh/WL scumteam even though I think WL is pretty towny...it just popped into my head...

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

inb4 you say "i'm acting on aa!"

neato, first thing i've seen you done, still pretty weak.

The sad thing is you can say that AA's first action that wasn't sheeping someone else at least partially was his unvote on IR, which happened within a 24-hour time period.

But that's not why I dislike AA. He can't keep a stance on IR. He's crossing himself up with all of his posts, saying he's good with an IR lynch despite unvoting him and, considering his vote is nowhere else right now (or did I miss him voting someone else?), he's not voted anyone else better. There's room on the IR wagon, son, if you're good with lynching him, get the **** on it.

I mean,

I don't know what votes mean to everyone else, so if you find me unvoting scummy, whatever.

bull**** lines like this just don't make me feel better about him at all.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

EBWOP: I'll ***** more after my shower.