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[#HBC | Laundry]

@WL: I'll ask you why. Why were those parts grody (or whatever you cool kids say instead of scummy)

Mostly because you want to policy lynch Gova, who has provided a little useful commentary, but it's suddenly okay because he wants to lynch the same person you do. :v

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

OMGUS sounds about right. What about this attack makes you think I'm scummy?

>haven't voted you
>voting gord

LOL.

i believe i have been quite obvious as to what i consider wrong with your play here, i'm not gonna drop my latter case just to vote your sorry ***.

 

[July]

hahaha

I'll try to answer, but first let me ask this. Do you ever vote anyone early-game in the hopes of getting a read on them?
Next, do you really have to go into explicit detail on why you have a townish read on someone, when they're nowhere close to being in danger of a lynch? I'll certainly look for reasons if you want me to, but I feel like finding scum is more important than explaining one of my townier reads right now.

I am at L-2! I'm used to being wagoned on D1, but there are two differences this game:
1. J isn't in this game
2. The Day is halfway over, and my wagon feels stagnant. It feels like there's not much action happening in this game, and I'm not sure why. There are only a couple inactives, so it's entirely possible that scum are just sitting back, delaying other wagons from happening as long as possible.

Sometime tonight I plan on reevaluating my reads on everyone, particularly those on my wagon.

Oh hey, I was gonna say "I don't get it" but now I see parrot in the url.

These are the posts that have made me uncomfortable about you, Asdioh. You keep trying to justify your vibes, and really it's a waste of time when you could just focus on scumhunting. This single minded focus on explaining yourself and letting scumhunting fall to the wayside is what bothers me because it feels extremely defensive and as I believe Gova said, reactive.

However, I do agree on the bolded, and I don't like how conversation and reads stagnated at a certain point and there was just complacency with you and IR's wagons. There is something about that that is unsettling, maybe because I've never seen that happen before but I also feel like there is a reason scum would want that to happen (if they are not the ones being wagoned) because lack of conversation could lead to a quick lynch. And for the first time I'm actually starting to like your play as you actually start doing **** in your #342 and #343, and you provide information about your reads beyond vibes for possibly the first time without being provoked.

Unvote

I(still)GMEOY, but I'm really not thrilled with aa right now.

I'm also ok with Asdioh and Gova lynches.

Don't know who I really want to lynch at the moment, that's all.

Advocating the Gova lynch was quite unexpected, especially considering that when Asdioh brought up Gova a few times in his posts you said that it was an example of:

It's an example of arbitrary and general play. Haven't read back today, but from what I remember he mentioned Gova at the end of a couple posts otherwise dedicated to defending himself.

You described Asdioh as "poking" Gova a couple times, which I looked at and it and they seemed to express minor suspicion towards Gova. At the very least I don't think it's arbitrary, considering he just voted Gova in his #363. I don't, however, remember you discussing Gova really until you brought him up in reference to Asdioh, and I really don't remember you expressing any suspicions towards him. Your rationale for why you would be okay with a Gova lynch follows:

You're probably right regarding the policy lynch. Also, JTB was very bent on getting that meta, and EBR wasn't misconstruing anything, just exaggerating. I still think that IR's early game, scummy or not, wasn't really great play.

Regarding me being ok with your lynch...it's more that I don't care for what you've done so far than me actively wanting you gone - you haven't given enough content for that. You're pretty stanceless against scumspects, unless you wanna take a scum stance on me, and you seem bent on staying that way - I recall you defending people as town quite a few times but not once indicating anyone as scum. Having only town-tells D1?

Am I correct in assuming you actually want Asdioh gone? If so, we're cool.

You say that you would be okay with a Gova lynch, but you don't actively want him gone, which gives me the impression you don't find Gova particularly scummy. What I don't like about this is that if you genuinely think Asdioh and IR are scummy (I've seen you flip flop on IR but you still seem to dislike his play quite a bit) why even advocate a lynch on someone you are basically apathetic to instead of just pushing your scum reads. OR, if you were actually interested in a policy lynch, GLG and TPK would make a lot more sense. And the last line...well that just feels like you are giving yourself an out.

He's explaining and sticking to his guns, rather then back down, i like his assertion with his defense, and he makes good points, and to be quite frank gives me a different side to look at this, i was concerned of his stifle, but what he says is true and that is he did (or was) going to use that somewhere, then i'm fine with that, i'm also okay with defending his own butt too, as i wasn't before, he is apart of the hydra, he does have to have say in things, he can't just grovel and do nothing, yknow.

it's a good rebbutal, it's nothing special, but it's a good post, even though i know that's the gheb side speaking, i'm satisfied with their answers.

Kk, I just wanted to make sure could back up your read, and I actually respect this answer.

Now back to aa:

TPK hasn't posted. I don't care for him at all, whereas Gova has posted and shown he has read a little, meaning he has had the chance to scumhunt. If Asdioh is his scumpick I don't really care to lynch him now, but if he continues like this it won't be helping town.

I disagree about Gova, I think that he is providing reads and has connections, and if he's voting for his scum pick for legitimate reasons then he at least seems to be helping town (unless you think he's scum, which I don't I don't get the feeling you do either). TPK has no reads, no connections, and we can't get a read on him, so his player slot is just painfully null atm.

The results are in: I think some certain things bother me about aa but i don't think it bothers me as much as you do, AA's first post was indeed sheepish but his latter post shows some serious scumhunting and had backbone, i feel all your posts are just are just insignificant and they don't help, sure, you'll point a finger or two, but act on it? no, **** that noise, let's just keep pointing fingers.

vote: Gordito

Is this the extent of your case on Gord, or is there more?

I'm not buying that Gord is scum, and I think there's a lot more to aa's posting that is bothersome than just the fact that he is sheeping/parroting. It's the fact that all of his suspicions are deeply rooted in the cases and the observations of others. Even the Gova suspicion, which seemed to come out of nowhere, was brought up only after he realized that Asdioh was "poking" Gova. He's been asking questions, but most of the time he doesn't seem to elaborate upon that idea or make use of the information he gets from it, so it looks like he is contributing when he isn't. And then there are the obvious contradictions in how he feels about IR, unvoting him in one post then saying he is still okay with his lynch, along with an Asdioh or a Gova lynch (briefly), but then his vote stays on no one. His actions are simply not matching with his words.

Vote: asianaussie

Soup's play lately has been much more erratic, WL v. Soup part deux is definitely more fierce than their first go at each other, and I don't agree with Soup's scumpicks, but he at least he seems to genuinely believe in his case against Gord. That's something I honestly haven't felt with aa and his reads on people.

 

[asianaussie]

What does a chainsaw symbolise?

The sad thing is you can say that AA's first action that wasn't sheeping someone else at least partially was his unvote on IR, which happened within a 24-hour time period.

But that's not why I dislike AA. He can't keep a stance on IR. He's crossing himself up with all of his posts, saying he's good with an IR lynch despite unvoting him and, considering his vote is nowhere else right now (or did I miss him voting someone else?), he's not voted anyone else better. There's room on the IR wagon, son, if you're good with lynching him, get the **** on it.

vote: IR

Define sheeping. You seem to have an extraordinarily broad definition.

bull**** lines like this just don't make me feel better about him at all.

I don't care what you think about that, to be honest.

I'm fine with either of them going. AA has parroted for most of the phase and his flip off IR is grody as ****. Despite having IR as one of his top two scum reads, he won't make the flip back onto him and he hasn't voted Asdioh at the moment or said he would like to vote Asdioh. He doesn't have another scum read to work from, so he's content on sitting there and doing nothing. I hate his extremely sheepish play.

**** off. I would vote Asdioh now but we have 3~ days left, Asdioh has promised content and I don't want to leave him at L-1.

Go back and tell me exactly what points I parrot. I'm curious as to what YOU mean by parrot.

Huh? Explain this. I hope it's a joke, WL and Asdioh are both townreads from what I recall from you.

OH NO LOOKS LIKE I'M DISTANCING FROM MY SCUMMATE

And they sit here and keep trying to subtly push me as scum with all these little strings attached so that if those scenarios don't hit, they have outs. I don't see the logic for them to be saying it at all. If they think I have a chance of being scum, quote parts of my play that make them think as much and call me on it. Except they haven't. And I dislike it.

Do you want a tissue? I still have a townread on you. The Asdioh WL thing is because Asdioh's strange early vibe read could be explained if it was meant to distance him from you, especially the 'oh your play is better now BUT MY EYE IS ON YOU'. It's not that you're scummy, it's that you're part of a scumteam theory that has merit in my eyes. Your play itself is fine so far.

 

[asianaussie]

You described Asdioh as "poking" Gova a couple times, which I looked at and it and they seemed to express minor suspicion towards Gova. At the very least I don't think it's arbitrary, considering he just voted Gova in his #363. I don't, however, remember you discussing Gova really until you brought him up in reference to Asdioh, and I really don't remember you expressing any suspicions towards him.

I asked Gova for stances more than once. He responded with 'I don't know who is scummy'. He had had Asdioh as his vote since the beginning and only recently justified it.

You say that you would be okay with a Gova lynch, but you don't actively want him gone, which gives me the impression you don't find Gova particularly scummy. What I don't like about this is that if you genuinely think Asdioh and IR are scummy (I've seen you flip flop on IR but you still seem to dislike his play quite a bit) why even advocate a lynch on someone you are basically apathetic to instead of just pushing your scum reads. OR, if you were actually interested in a policy lynch, GLG and TPK would make a lot more sense. And the last line...well that just feels like you are giving yourself an out.

Gee, way to use outdated reasoning. After I was asked about the Gova lynch I explained, Gova responded, and as a result I am no longer particularly suspicious of him, nor do I really have any particular want to lynch him.

I disagree about Gova, I think that he is providing reads and has connections, and if he's voting for his scum pick for legitimate reasons then he at least seems to be helping town (unless you think he's scum, which I don't I don't get the feeling you do either). TPK has no reads, no connections, and we can't get a read on him, so his player slot is just painfully null atm.

You don't need a feeling to know I read Gova as null, I listed him in my damn scumpicks list as such.

The reasons he provided are the same meh reasons as everybody else, the former which is odd but not exceedingly scummy, and the latter explainable by laziness, which has since been somewhat cleared up. He has brought nothing new to the table.

Screw the last paragraph, it assumes that any statement I ever made is eternal and represents my views several dozen posts later, even when I have reversed said views specifically. As to the questions I ask, half go unanswered and you should know very well that they are not a facade of contribution because the bulk of my contribution is in posts.

 

[th3kuzinator]

On a malfunctioning phone.

Someone tell me when the deadline is.

 

[asianaussie]

30th June, midnight EST

 

[th3kuzinator]

Oh good then I have time to read tomorrow.

@aa: Just for my convenience can you quote for me your exchange with Gova in which you explained your suspicions, he responded and you became less suspicious because of that response.

Just that little part should be good.

 

[asianaussie]

Spoiler

I'm also ok with Asdioh and Gova lynches.

Don't know who I really want to lynch at the moment, that's all.

Give me your reasoning for being ok with a Gova lynch.

You're probably right regarding the policy lynch. Also, JTB was very bent on getting that meta, and EBR wasn't misconstruing anything, just exaggerating. I still think that IR's early game, scummy or not, wasn't really great play.

Regarding me being ok with your lynch...it's more that I don't care for what you've done so far than me actively wanting you gone - you haven't given enough content for that. You're pretty stanceless against scumspects, unless you wanna take a scum stance on me, and you seem bent on staying that way - I recall you defending people as town quite a few times but not once indicating anyone as scum. Having only town-tells D1?

Am I correct in assuming you actually want Asdioh gone? If so, we're cool.

Yea, that's why I haven't moved my vote anywhere else yet.

So, your reasoning for wanting Gova gone was because you didn't believe he had a scum stance on anyone, right?

Now, what about TPK? He is inactive and has no stances against anyone?

Does GLG not count because he has a scumpick, even though you said you disagree with his case against WL?

Oh, AA, exaggerating is definitely misconstruing.

TPK hasn't posted. I don't care for him at all, whereas Gova has posted and shown he has read a little, meaning he has had the chance to scumhunt. If Asdioh is his scumpick I don't really care to lynch him now, but if he continues like this it won't be helping town.

I always thought misconscrue involved an actual change in meaning. Whatever, this is semantics (deja vu o.o), you win this battle, for whatever it's worth.

To clarify that last quote, when I say 'If Asdioh is his scumpick', I mean it as having reason behind it, as opposed to being an arbitrary vote lingering from RVS or a convenient pre-emptive bandwagon vote.

 

[July]

I asked Gova for stances more than once. He responded with 'I don't know who is scummy'. He had had Asdioh as his vote since the beginning and only recently justified it.

I can understand your issues with Gova not justifying his vote on Asdioh. Hell I can even understand your issues with Gova's response to this question:

Pretty reasonable response, thank you for that.

Gova, who are your top scumpicks? Reasoning please.
JTBhead + RR, #250.

I also want EBR and IR's comments on GLG and/or GLG's slot.

To which he responded "I don't know". But if you had a problem with it then why did you just let it go? The next time you bring him up, and the only other time before you suggest that you are okay with his lynch, is here:

Scumpick is IR. Leaning scum is Asdioh. Nothing dead-set.

IR's early play was pretty bad. Pursuit of Bardull meta was silly and ultimately led nowhere. I also don't like how ghebhead is (consciously or not) covering for the bad play by pushing it all onto JTB ('I don't get the case on JTB', 'JTB was getting a bit concerned', etc). Someone mentioned he was 'deflecting'? Somebody else said he was 'defending'. Neither is particularly good imo. Granted, his recent play is much better than his early stuff and I think somebody said JTB sometimes acts scummy early on, but I'm still not convinced.

Asdioh has done nothing but defend his bad vibe read at the beginning. Lack of proactivity. Oh, and he poked Gova a couple times.

I also want Gova to start talking.

The way you interacted with Gova seems no different than the "poking" that you accuse Asdioh of doing, and more important you didn't even bring up your issues with him saying that he didn't know who was scummy. This brings me back to the idea that you ask questions that you don't follow up on, and imo it shows that you were only willing to attack people for things that you didn't like if they were already taking heat and they were already considered scummy. Gova wasn't receiving any pressure, and his response would have been something worth pressuring him on, but you let it go. You showed no such fear in battling with and pressuring IR, it shouldn't have been any different with Gova.

Gee, way to use outdated reasoning. After I was asked about the Gova lynch I explained, Gova responded, and as a result I am no longer particularly suspicious of him, nor do I really have any particular want to lynch him.

It's not "outdated reasoning", I'm trying to figure out what was going through your head when you said you were okay with a Gova or Asdioh lynch. You were okay with his lynch because he wasn't doing anything in your opinion, not because he scummy. That's what I got from you when you explained why you would favor a Gova lynch, and that's stupid when you have actual scum picks and there are scummy people who can be lynched over someone you are merely apathetic towards. But then you say that after Gova responded you were no longer particularly suspicious of him, but you didn't seem suspicious of him in the first place, and this is where it all breaks down in my head and I can't understand you. Either you were suspicious of him and thus were okay with his lynch, then he said he really was in support of an Asdioh lynch and because of that you find him less suspicious. Or you were apathetic the entire time and you okay with his lynch until he said he really wanted the Asdioh lynch and now you consider him to be doing a little more than he was and are thus less indifferent to him. The first one doesn't line up with what you said in your #328 where you it looked more like a policy lynch/issue with him not doing enough than the belief that he's actually scummy. The second one is simply you didn't find him scummy but would be okay with his lynch for not doing enough, but that's bad when you HAVE scumpicks that you can act on and deserve to be lynched over someone you are just meh about.

You don't need a feeling to know I read Gova as null, I listed him in my damn scumpicks list as such.

The reasons he provided are the same meh reasons as everybody else, the former which is odd but not exceedingly scummy, and the latter explainable by laziness, which has since been somewhat cleared up. He has brought nothing new to the table.

See above for my confusion over your suspicions/lack of suspicion/apathy towards Gova, honestly him being listed as null didn't mean much, especially when you go on to say in that post that WL/Asdioh could be a scum team even though WL is one of your town reads. So I'm taking your reads with a grain of salt as to how you actually feel about them.

Screw the last paragraph, it assumes that any statement I ever made is eternal and represents my views several dozen posts later, even when I have reversed said views specifically. As to the questions I ask, half go unanswered and you should know very well that they are not a facade of contribution because the bulk of my contribution is in posts.

That's fine, my last paragraph just summarize the reasons I found you scummy, most of which were previously addressed.

 

[asianaussie]

Sick of massive broken quote posts. Any part of the post I don't directly address I'm fine with and makes me think you're town.

I'm not pushing a Gova lynch. I never pushed a Gova lynch. There is no point at which I suggested Gova should be lynched over anyone else. Mentioning that 'I would be fine with his lynch' was intended as passive.

I did not follow up Gova's admission of stancelessness and that was my fault. The response itself meant little to me because his posts told me he had read but not analysed. Not pressuring Gova was not related to the fact that he was not being pressured, but merely my oversight. My comment on 'outdated reasoning' was completely unbidden and I myself am stumped as to why I typed it.

Of your two scenarios, the first is more correct. While I did mention the words 'policy lynch', it is to be taken with several shakers of salt, and not in the sense that 'he's not contributing lynch him'. He was not generating content but he had been posting, which I saw as anti-town coasting.

I'm fine with you not trusting my reads, it's too early for me to really back them up. The Asd/WL thing is barely defendable tbh, it's one of those weak, unsupportable gut feels, even weaker than Asdioh's first WL call.

Mostly because you want to policy lynch Gova, who has provided a little useful commentary, but it's suddenly okay because he wants to lynch the same person you do. :v

Yeah...no. I don't want to lynch him, I never actively pushed his lynch. Been passive about it since forever. Right now I want to lynch IR anyway, not Asdioh. Past that, I wanted him to show he had a reason to maintain his vote on Asdioh and wasn't just keeping his vote there because the cool kids were doing it, or something like that.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

~June 26, 2011. 10:24 AM

Loving me an AA lynch. Agree with chainsaw. Kill the defended, than his defender.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

~June 26, 2011. 10:27 AM

Gorfdamnit lemme do this first so he doesn't bring it up again.

Alright, it's time.

unvote vote: AA
unvote vote: Soup
unvote vote: AA

I'm fine with either of them going. AA has parroted for most of the phase and his flip off IR is grody as ****. Despite having IR as one of his top two scum reads, he won't make the flip back onto him and he hasn't voted Asdioh at the moment or said he would like to vote Asdioh. He doesn't have another scum read to work from, so he's content on sitting there and doing nothing. I hate his extremely sheepish play.

Soup's looked a lot better but I don't like his play at the beginning of the day and I hate his play now. He started incredibly fluffy with no real action to his posts. Now he's acting out the chainsaw defense on Gorf to protect AA and I don't like that. And his town and scum reads are terrible. Asidoh as town? Gorf as scum? Trash.

And they sit here and keep trying to subtly push me as scum with all these little strings attached so that if those scenarios don't hit, they have outs. I don't see the logic for them to be saying it at all. If they think I have a chance of being scum, quote parts of my play that make them think as much and call me on it. Except they haven't. And I dislike it.

IR and Asidoh aren't off my radar but AA and Soup need to go. I don't care which of the two, they're kinda identical and definitely on a scum team together if either flip scum.

@Red Ruy: If you agree, vote AA.
@EBR: Which of these two is scummier?

If you couldn't tell from this beautifully constructed post, WL is an artist.

@WL: AA is town, trust me on that. IDK about Soup. He looked towny in the beginning of the game but if his play has degenerated since then I'll have to give it a looksee.

Bro get your head out of yo-

So Ryker is at some smash tourney and I havn't really read the thread in detail but by goodness I will get that **** done sooner or later!

Oh lolk. Go ahead and do that.

gord on the other hand (as stated) just wants to point the finger and do nothing,

That's a lie.

however his recent vote on aa is grody because he is trying to make one little detail the hardest thing against a player, when if you go look at AA in FULL, he doesn't look that bad,

And that's another lie.

i know he does some things that are really off, and to be honest i haven't seen AA town, but i just feel that way, sue me.

And now I'm 100% sold on Soup scum. I mean come on man if you're gonna be scum at least be consistent. I mean really.

Town -
AA

That was on the top of your list. But ya haven't seen AA as town! Ya know, that's just how ya feel! But not seen em as town!

sit down son and let me give you a music lesson

Ask Bach I got more junk than smith and wesson.

Everything else that has happened, in my head, was me agreeing with WL and Soup just getting moar mad and moar madder. Umad cuz uscum bro?

Oh except for WL's vote on Soup. Bro you gotta get off of him. An AA lynch is much more useful for us. Especially since this town doesn't seem to latch on to Soup scum. But they can see the AA's scum better. C'mon bro.

Let's lynch AA.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

~June 26, 2011. 11:00 AM

Damn I wanted that pic to be bigger.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Huh? Explain this. I hope it's a joke, WL and Asdioh are both townreads from what I recall from you.

WL went town on my town list after i chewed his *** out and he didn't do **** about it.

@Gord could you be any less obvious? did you even read what was going on? or did you just say "lol xD soup getting mad gotta agree with WL" for no reason?

that chainsaw was bs and you know it, ****, that whole case was bs and you know it.

AND ANOTHER ****, your rebuttal is BS and you know it.

you did this.
"NUH-UH NO I DIDN'T YOU'RE A LIAR."
prove me.
"uhhh.."

And now I'm 100% sold on Soup scum. I mean come on man if you're gonna be scum at least be consistent. I mean really.

you're 100% sold on me for liking AA? WELL **** THE HEAVENS HOW COULD I EVER DO THAT? HOW COULD I EVER LIKE ANOTHER PLAYER AND DISAGREE WITH THEIR LYNCH, IT'S JUST AGAINST THE ****ING RULES OR SOMETHING BAD SOUP BAD.

That was on the top of your list. But ya haven't seen AA as town! Ya know, that's just how ya feel! But not seen em as town!

you haven't seen me as scum, same difference, i don't need a meta argument.

 

[th3kuzinator]

@Gova: What is your read on aa?

 

[th3kuzinator]

Haha this is going to be funny when I get to a computer.

Funny thing about this game is that I am on the exact same wavelength as Soup. Who would have ever thought.

 

[th3kuzinator]

@Gord: What chainsaw are you talking about?

 

[th3kuzinator]

@WL, asdioh, July: Read on Gorf

@aa: though you said you would be okay with either a Gova or a Asd lynch, did you ever express interest in actually going Gova first?

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

~June 26, 2011. 5:53 PM

Soup's 415... didn't see your "haven't seen AA as town" comment alluding to meta. I thought you meant that you haven't seen em as town this game. So that whole part is null and void... But I still dun like you, and you're still scum upon a AA scum flip... and still pre' scummy regardless.

@th3

Chainsaw: "A player who defends another player by attacking the other player's attacker."

This situation: "Soup, who defends asianaussie by attacking asianaussie's attacker (Gordito)."

Hell, his post where he voted me looks way more like a defense of AA than an attack on me:

The results are in: I think some certain things bother me about aa but i don't think it bothers me as much as you do, AA's first post was indeed sheepish but his latter post shows some serious scumhunting and had backbone, i feel all your posts are just are just insignificant and they don't help, sure, you'll point a finger or two, but act on it? no, **** that noise, let's just keep pointing fingers.

vote: Gordito

There was zero reasoning behind his voting of me, hell, the first time he mentioned me in a scummy way was in that list he posted soon before he voted me. And he hadn't gotten almost any reasoning, I don't give a crap about an organized case, with quotes and whatnot, or specific post numbers or bla bla bla. But when all he can say was that I was "just pointing fingers" (which is completely false), then t(-_-t)

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

i added AA in to insinuate or further my point against you, i disagreed with your vote at first and if you re-call we had a little chat about that for a minute and i told you i would come back and decide if i liked or didn't like your vote on aa and if that would affect my read on either of you.

i picked latter of course, i decided i did not deem aa scummier then you and you are still my main point of interest.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

actually, to save time and interest, i will quote what has gone on so far regarding this.

 

[th3kuzinator]

I know what a chainsaw is lol, just didn't see what you were referring to.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Just makin sure broski

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Actually, **** that too, go read #292 all the way to here.

also, this was a little part i was gonna post but turned out different cause' lazy~

starting from post 308 to 338.

In turn, these little sections i got from aa don't sit well with me, and after re-reading i had aa as town, so this conflicts with it and i had to decide whether this interaction is less important then my re-read, and i took that it is. there's some bad things here, the changes from "gova and asdioh" and then to "IR and asdioh", especially AFTER he said he liked his rebuttal post and said he was off the hook.

so in turn, i understand where gord is coming from, i just feel it's the wrong position to come into, i would prefer if gord gave me a re-read on aa and tell me what he thinks besides what has happened right now, then see.

^ i still stand by that.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

EH. WHY NOT, LET'S JUST POST THE WHOLE THING.

never finished though.

[collapse= Soupa v. AA]

**** gut reads, if your gut read on someone is "scum" and you're going to charge in trying to lynch them at all costs. If your gut read is "town" then is there a problem with looking elsewhere? I mean, my read on you could change, but I've continued liking what I've seen from you, it looks like legitimate thought process and scumhunting to me, and nobody but GLG seems to think you're scum.

I agree with this, and to be frank i don't even think asdioh is scummy, hell, not even sure if i like my vote on IR right now, i did like his response too.

what to do..
what to do..

unvote

taking a re-read, i'll give some insight when i get back.

Starting my re-read.

GLG is an odd character, but i don't think he's scummy, his suspiscion of WL and Asdioh are warranted in their own way, guess my only problem with him is that he's not posting as much, but that's nothing.

I'm still wary of July, something isn't sitting right with me with her this game and i need to figure it out or make a case.

on the subject of july, who do YOU all feel about her?

yo washed, what's your opnion on IR now with his rebuttal post? like? don't like? give me details.

getting questions out there.

As for July, I honestly really like her

Soup, what do you think of this?

I'm not sure what kind of point you're making here, why would july hate her own play or incriminate herself.

Suspicision of AA begins.

What a wonderful blue colour.

I'm still okay with a IR lynch.

Hmm...for now,
unvote

wha..? you unvoted the guy, you still OK with the lynch but your vote isn't on him? explain aa.

I'm also ok with Asdioh and Gova lynches.

Don't know who I really want to lynch at the moment, that's all.

well, from priority, who do you want dead right now?

if you had a gun, who would you shoot? right now, this second.

Decided to update my bull**** list.

Town -
AA
Red Ryu
WashedLaundry
Gova
Asdioh
Red Ryu

Null -
Inglorious *******
Erupting Buring Ryker
GLG

Scum -
Gordito
July

done with the re-read, still conflicting with aa though.

well, from priority, who do you want dead right now?

if you had a gun, who would you shoot? right now, this second.

^ answer this aa.

well, from priority, who do you want dead right now?

if you had a gun, who would you shoot? right now, this second.

Surprised I missed this. Back at that point...probably Asdioh. Asdioh has since done stuff though. Right now, uh...my obnoxious 14yo neighbour with awful taste in music

IR. I literally flipped a coin between IR and Asdioh. 5c coin came in handy.

Asdioh, what do you think of GLG? Am I correct in saying you read Gord as null?

In turn, these little sections i got from aa don't sit well with me, and after re-reading i had aa as town, so this conflicts with it and i had to decide whether this interaction is less important then my re-read, and i took that it is. there's some bad things here, the changes from "gova and asdioh" and then to "IR and asdioh", especially AFTER he said he liked his rebuttal post and said he was off the hook.

so in turn, i understand where gord is coming from, i just feel it's the wrong position to come into, i would prefer if gord gave me a re-read on aa and tell me what he thinks besides what has happened right now, then see.

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Now, onto gordito&washed interaction.

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Well gord, your above is a good example, what's your reason for aa being grody? i think he's fine, hell, he's one of my more stronger town-reads.

actually, i do remember aa going and spouting his unvote and then still saying he was ok with IR dying, i'm not sure if he ever did follow up on that, hold up.

~June 25, 2011. 9:27 AM.

"Action X is bad, thus person A is scummy"?

never did.

alright, let's see here gordo, i'll ISO AA.

~June 25, 2011. 9:29 AM.

Obtw that post of mine was coinciding with the fact that you think I'm wrong, and think I'm scummy for it. Which is faulty logic.

@ninja

that's fine, i haven't been paying much attention to detail of aa.

and that's what i think you are scummy for, where you ever got that is beyond me, i never implicated my reasons yet, in fact, i'm trying to see the aa case right now because i have been down this road before and it caused a mislynch, so i can be wrong.

i can see the contradiction in my words here, anyone could, i'm not gonna say something liek "i lied to bait him" or something stupid.

while you're here, explain why YOU DO disagree with me? (assuming the IR part)

The results are in: I think some certain things bother me about aa but i don't think it bothers me as much as you do, AA's first post was indeed sheepish but his latter post shows some serious scumhunting and had backbone, i feel all your posts are just are just insignificant and they don't help, sure, you'll point a finger or two, but act on it? no, **** that noise, let's just keep pointing fingers.

vote: Gordito

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[asianaussie]

Man you really don't get it dude. Your vote was on IR, a beautiful place to have your vote. And because of one post that I didn't even find very attractive, you're gonna mozy off of his wagon? That is terribad logic, I can't see a townie doing that, just because it's so... UGH IT WAS ONE POST.

I still can't get over it. Still can't.

Let's see. The 'terribad logic' that labels me as scum is, so far as I can tell, 'I didn't like the post that got him off the wagon' and 'he unvoted my biggest scumpick, HE MUST DIE'. What the hell is this? It's not logic, it's you not liking a post I liked. Sure, you can be suspicious of me getting off the wagon, it's something you can legitimately be suspicious about, but pick a more valid angle, you lazy toaster.

Two reasons is that he is literally tripping over his crossed up reads on IR, and the fact that he's too scared to really slap his vote on anybody or call them scum. I'll most likely find more shiz through the thread, just let time tell.

My vote is on IR. I haven't tripped on anything, IR went from scum > mildly scummy with that 'terribad post', where he now sits with Asdioh. You'll most likely find stuff like that because you're keen to twist anything I say into scummy stuff.

If you couldn't tell from this beautifully constructed post, WL is an artist.

Pointless buddying. Analyse the damn post and you'll see it is merely 'scumpick for these reasons x2', 'These guys are pushing me as scum', 'outroad to vote IR/Asd if these two get better'. It is notable that WL laughs off Soup's Gord scumread. It is also notable WL assumes I think he is scum when he is prominent at the top of my town list, which somebody should have picked up on if they analysed. The only thing that I've done to cast even slight suspicion on WL is throwing out that Asd/WL scumteam theory, which I have said is not to be taken seriously and based on the interactions between them, not WL's individual posts (as he is keen to have us believe is the only way to show scum). Soup has defended himself against WL's logic, which he seems to take as calling him scum. Overly defensive much?

That's a lie.

It is not. You have done ****-all in the way of analysis and asked > followed up on maybe one question before joining WL in his mighty crusade of EVERYBODY I DON'T LIKE IS SCUM WITHOUT FAIL. The only thing that qualifies as taking a real stance is against me and Soup.

And that's another lie.

If you're sold on me being scum and refuse to actually analyse posts, of course I ****ing look bad, you'll just be taking everything I post with several grains of scummy salt to begin with.

And now I'm 100% sold on Soup scum. I mean come on man if you're gonna be scum at least be consistent. I mean really.

That was on the top of your list. But ya haven't seen AA as town! Ya know, that's just how ya feel! But not seen em as town!

Understandable. At least these bits aren't 'this is wrong' and nothing else.

Everything else that has happened, in my head, was me agreeing with WL and Soup just getting moar mad and moar madder. Umad cuz uscum bro?

Herp-a-****ing derp, he comes clean. You haven't analysed much and are just agreeing with WL. Soup got annoyed because WL thinking that he was calling scum and doing a strawman when he was in fact just trying to get WL off his back. While Soup's case itself wasn't overly well presented, if you misinterpret it like that of course it's a strawman.

Oh except for WL's vote on Soup. Bro you gotta get off of him. An AA lynch is much more useful for us. Especially since this town doesn't seem to latch on to Soup scum. But they can see the AA's scum better. C'mon bro.

Let's lynch AA.

How is it more useful? I'm not scum and I've taken weaker stances than Soup. If your master WL is to be believed (you agree with him, as you have stated), I've parroted so much that any reads of mine can be written off as those of others. Nice try, street rat.

If you claim that you're a mason with WL I'll take what you say more seriously - that is, pretend WL speaks for both of you since that's the bulk of your argument anyway.

@aa: though you said you would be okay with either a Gova or a Asd lynch, did you ever express interest in actually going Gova first?

See here.

I'm not pushing a Gova lynch. I never pushed a Gova lynch. There is no point at which I suggested Gova should be lynched over anyone else. Mentioning that 'I would be fine with his lynch' was intended as passive.

Yeah...no. I don't want to lynch him, I never actively pushed his lynch. Been passive about it since forever. Right now I want to lynch IR anyway, not Asdioh. Past that, I wanted him to show he had a reason to maintain his vote on Asdioh and wasn't just keeping his vote there because the cool kids were doing it, or something like that.

In turn, these little sections i got from aa don't sit well with me, and after re-reading i had aa as town, so this conflicts with it and i had to decide whether this interaction is less important then my re-read, and i took that it is. there's some bad things here, the changes from "gova and asdioh" and then to "IR and asdioh", especially AFTER he said he liked his rebuttal post and said he was off the hook.

I remember specifically saying that he was not in the clear, merely less scummy. I suppose my unvote would give you that impression, so I'm not blaming you for that. Gova and Asdioh at that point were also lynches I was ok with, does that not imply I was still ok with an IR lynch? Additionally, Gova went back to null with the next little exchange, so of course it resets to my two 'scumpicks'.

so in turn, i understand where gord is coming from, i just feel it's the wrong position to come into, i would prefer if gord gave me a re-read on aa and tell me what he thinks besides what has happened right now, then see.

Gord will just be thinking 'how can I twist this out as scum' rather than actually analysing, you won't be getting much from it aside from 'lol aa is scum because WL said so in these ways and also ima quote this one bit WL missed and say that this is hella scummy'.

I also noted that Asdioh said in his 343 that Gord was 'doing stuff', when in fact he had, to that point, done ****-all. I'm not reaching enough to draw a connection from that though.

 

[Asdioh]

Ughh feeling lazy and I'm not even sure what's going on right now. Unofficial skimmy votecount, though it looks like only 2 votes changed since the last one:

Gord (1) -Soup
ThePaprikaKiller (0)
Red Ryu (0)
July (0)
Asdioh (3) -Gova, IR, RR
soup (0) -
laundry (1)-GLG
Gova (1) Asdioh
Erupting Burning RYKERRR!!! (Ryker/Kuz) (0)
Inglorious ******* (JTB/Gheb)(2)- EBR, asianaussie,
GLG (0)
AA(3)- Gord, WL, July,

Not Voting: TPK



Thoughts on wagons:

laundry (1)-GLG
...
Not Voting: TPK

Asdioh (3) -Gova, IR, RR​

Inglorious ******* (JTB/Gheb)(2)- EBR, asianaussie,

^this is supposed to be an "I'm null about this" face

Gova (1) Asdioh

AA(3)- Gord, WL, July,

insert "I think I like the people on this wagon but I'm not sure I understand why you want to lynch him, explain please :x" face here



unvote

since people don't listen to me psh

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

~June 26, 2011. 11:53 PM

Wanna stop doing nothing?

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

Asdioh, who the **** do you want to lynch? Every one of those reaction faces seem to suggest you're indifferent at best to all the active wagons.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

EBWOP: Gova?

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

@WL, asdioh, July: Read on Gorf

I like Gorf this game. His response to my question comparing your statement of meta usage and IR's absolute reliance on it was right on the money and I've been overall okay with him since then. While his reliance on me and his quickness to agree with me does worry me some, he's been trying and I'll give him that. Not concrete but for now, he's okay.

 

[Asdioh]

~June 26, 2011. 11:53 PM

Wanna stop doing nothing?

I'll try to answer my own question.

Alright, it's time.

unvote vote: AA
unvote vote: Soup
unvote vote: AA

I'm fine with either of them going. AA has parroted for most of the phase and his flip off IR is grody as ****. Despite having IR as one of his top two scum reads, he won't make the flip back onto him and he hasn't voted Asdioh at the moment or said he would like to vote Asdioh. He doesn't have another scum read to work from, so he's content on sitting there and doing nothing. I hate his extremely sheepish play.

~~~~

IR and Asidoh aren't off my radar but AA and Soup need to go. I don't care which of the two, they're kinda identical and definitely on a scum team together if either flip scum.

@Red Ruy: If you agree, vote AA.
@EBR: Which of these two is scummier?

I don't care. Read back and make me feel better about you disliking them.

You're a loon. You're not okay with the IR lynch, seeing as you were complacent with their (relatively outlandish and dumb) post toward you. Can't just sneak your way back there.

Now I get people's weariness toward AA.

~~~~~

I'm liking Asdioh more. Might have to reread, but there are def. people that should die before em. Still mad hating on ******, but asianaussie is really looking off.

Unvote

Vote: AA

Lack of votes on him is sad. we should get off of Asdioh and get on em.

Advocating the Gova lynch was quite unexpected, especially considering that when Asdioh brought up Gova a few times in his posts you said that it was an example of:



You described Asdioh as "poking" Gova a couple times, which I looked at and it and they seemed to express minor suspicion towards Gova. At the very least I don't think it's arbitrary, considering he just voted Gova in his #363. I don't, however, remember you discussing Gova really until you brought him up in reference to Asdioh, and I really don't remember you expressing any suspicions towards him. Your rationale for why you would be okay with a Gova lynch follows:



You say that you would be okay with a Gova lynch, but you don't actively want him gone, which gives me the impression you don't find Gova particularly scummy. What I don't like about this is that if you genuinely think Asdioh and IR are scummy (I've seen you flip flop on IR but you still seem to dislike his play quite a bit) why even advocate a lynch on someone you are basically apathetic to instead of just pushing your scum reads. OR, if you were actually interested in a policy lynch, GLG and TPK would make a lot more sense. And the last line...well that just feels like you are giving yourself an out.



Kk, I just wanted to make sure could back up your read, and I actually respect this answer.

Now back to aa:



I disagree about Gova, I think that he is providing reads and has connections, and if he's voting for his scum pick for legitimate reasons then he at least seems to be helping town (unless you think he's scum, which I don't I don't get the feeling you do either). TPK has no reads, no connections, and we can't get a read on him, so his player slot is just painfully null atm.



Is this the extent of your case on Gord, or is there more?

I'm not buying that Gord is scum, and I think there's a lot more to aa's posting that is bothersome than just the fact that he is sheeping/parroting. It's the fact that all of his suspicions are deeply rooted in the cases and the observations of others. Even the Gova suspicion, which seemed to come out of nowhere, was brought up only after he realized that Asdioh was "poking" Gova. He's been asking questions, but most of the time he doesn't seem to elaborate upon that idea or make use of the information he gets from it, so it looks like he is contributing when he isn't. And then there are the obvious contradictions in how he feels about IR, unvoting him in one post then saying he is still okay with his lynch, along with an Asdioh or a Gova lynch (briefly), but then his vote stays on no one. His actions are simply not matching with his words.

Vote: asianaussie

Soup's play lately has been much more erratic, WL v. Soup part deux is definitely more fierce than their first go at each other, and I don't agree with Soup's scumpicks, but he at least he seems to genuinely believe in his case against Gord. That's something I honestly haven't felt with aa and his reads on people.

~_~


I don't knooooow

oh hey WL posted.

I want to lynch Gova, obv. I would be 100% fine with TPK or GLG lynches, but, as usual, I probably can't convince people to lynch an inactive on D1. I'm still not Sold (<--wow) on an AA lynch. IR? His wagon, like mine, sat stagnant for half the Day and didn't go anywhere. Soup's voting Gord, which I don't quite understand. Nor do I want to lynch WL (lol GLG)

Does that answer your question?

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

>haven't voted you
>voting gord

LOL.

i believe i have been quite obvious as to what i consider wrong with your play here, i'm not gonna drop my latter case just to vote your sorry ***.

From what I can tell, your case consists of the perception that I give a rat's *** solely about your read. I don't. I also don't give a rat's *** if you think I'm scummy.

What I do give a rat's *** about, and this is why I'm calling you scum, is the fact that there's a disconnection between your thoughts (reads) and your actions (statements). You say I'm town. You act I'm scum. That kind of disconnect is basically a soft way of dragging my name through the mud and trying to create FUD about me. You're subtly insinuating that I have a chance to be scum (and you're right, I do, but there's no reason to bring it up at all unless you have legitimate reasons to believe I'm scum) at every available opportunity and attaching all these strings to different scenarios. Your actions and your reads are contradicting each other. And that's scummy.

Hence why I sat there and posted strawman images. You're attacking this argument that I care about your read on me. I couldn't care less about how you view me. I care about your actions in regards to how you view me.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

I want to lynch Gova, obv. I would be 100% fine with TPK or GLG lynches, but, as usual, I probably can't convince people to lynch an inactive on D1. I'm still not Sold (<--wow) on an AA lynch. IR? His wagon, like mine, sat stagnant for half the Day and didn't go anywhere. Soup's voting Gord, which I don't quite understand. Nor do I want to lynch WL (lol GLG)

Does that answer your question?

Yeh, actually. While I'm perturbed you have only scum read (you gotta have someone else besides Gova), I agree that both TPK and GLG should go, or at least be replaced.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

I'm not buying that Gord is scum, and I think there's a lot more to aa's posting that is bothersome than just the fact that he is sheeping/parroting. It's the fact that all of his suspicions are deeply rooted in the cases and the observations of others. Even the Gova suspicion, which seemed to come out of nowhere, was brought up only after he realized that Asdioh was "poking" Gova. He's been asking questions, but most of the time he doesn't seem to elaborate upon that idea or make use of the information he gets from it, so it looks like he is contributing when he isn't. And then there are the obvious contradictions in how he feels about IR, unvoting him in one post then saying he is still okay with his lynch, along with an Asdioh or a Gova lynch (briefly), but then his vote stays on no one. His actions are simply not matching with his words.

Vote: asianaussie

Soup's play lately has been much more erratic, WL v. Soup part deux is definitely more fierce than their first go at each other, and I don't agree with Soup's scumpicks, but he at least he seems to genuinely believe in his case against Gord. That's something I honestly haven't felt with aa and his reads on people.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

What does a chainsaw symbolise?

Chainsaw defense.

vote: IR

Define sheeping. You seem to have an extraordinarily broad definition.

Copying or taking someone else's thoughts or ideas and working them into your posts as your own original content.

Also, that flip is so grody. "Yeh, alright, I like you more, so I'mma unvote you, but you're still scummy. No, wait, I take that back, I still want your lynch. No, wait, I take that back, you're still one of my top two scum reads and it's obvious you're not getting lynched yet so I can easily settle with my second pick. No, wait, I take that back, you're scum, die."

That indecisiveness is scummy beyond belief. He's one of your top two scum picks, and you unvote him, which suggests you're good and you don't mind him living? If you haven't noticed, there's been room on the Asdioh wagon for awhile now. Yet no motion to revote him. I thought you liked IR?

Oh well, guess not.

**** off. I would vote Asdioh now but we have 3~ days left, Asdioh has promised content and I don't want to leave him at L-1.

So? Express as much then. If you did, point it out and prove me wrong.

Go back and tell me exactly what points I parrot. I'm curious as to what YOU mean by parrot.

Copying what others say, even to a partial degree. It's not that I haven't seen you create original content. You've built some off what others have said. But you haven't had a scumread I view as original, nearly all your posts I remember have included something someone else has said and built off it, rather than creating completely original content, and I can't remember anything you've said that I sagenod silently to myself in my land of bros and snows as I read it. Everyone else, other than TPK (yes, even GLG, a guy with all of three posts), has done it.

Oh, except for posts that are reactionary and defensive. Then you're original.

At best, I don't like it. At worst, it's grody as ****.

Do you want a tissue? I still have a townread on you. The Asdioh WL thing is because Asdioh's strange early vibe read could be explained if it was meant to distance him from you, especially the 'oh your play is better now BUT MY EYE IS ON YOU'. It's not that you're scummy, it's that you're part of a scumteam theory that has merit in my eyes. Your play itself is fine so far.

So judge me on my play and not what Asdioh has done. You dGamers and your complete reliance on connections to lynch people, gosh.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

EBWOP: Liked IR enough not to lynch him.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

I apparently have been missing AA saying he's been okay with an Asdioh lynch. While it nulls part of the point, it still doesn't explain why he didn't just sit on IR if he was still good with his lynch. There was no reason to unvote--and yet he did. Then, he revoted IR without any tangible change in ideas other than people grilling him about his unvote. He had the opportunity to vote Asdioh too, so he could've easily did that. But he didn't.

wgat

 

[asianaussie]

unvote
vote: Asdioh

Also Asdioh, WL is currently voting Soup, not me.