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I think it's this http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=300261
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Yes, Soup is town. Maybe WL will listen to you.
If you want to follow up on meta read newbie 13 where I was reasonably active, not the game where I did nothing.
That was because I perceived you to be pushing a tired, semantics-based point. Turned out that was only one part of the picture, but I hate it when people start using definitions to incriminate someone.
You shouldn't rely on meta for people's reads. Stop looking at what they did in other games instead of what they're doing in this game.
That's like Broto saying "Asdioh is town because he's town" when he was scum in ****ing a Skype mafia game. Don't sell me that bull****. Explain the reasons behind it, sell me on it. Don't just come out of nowhere and say it.
I'm town that is somehow listening to Gorf's blatant bull****. Again, I don't think he's scum. Did you conveniently miss my response to your earlier post asking me for a read on him?
hey washed, i was totally right on choice being town and i relied on meta and reasoning so NYEH.
you were all over yourself and constantly doubted your read. choice had legitimately scummy aspects to his play that should not have been ignored based on meta alone.
you just explained the same situation to me, only this time i'm sure of it.
Nothing? :/ it's frustrating how the deadline is rapidly approaching, and you haven't presented anything. I can't tell if you're just lying down and giving up, or waiting to the last minute to try to shift the lynch over to me.
Whoa, definitely? I might have missed something, but I didn't realize you were so confident on that read. Can you explain your read, briefly?
I feel like you can definitely say this about other players moreso than me.
I'd also like to understand Soup's read on Gord, but I think it's safe to say that we're not lynching Gord toDay, regardless.
...yeah? ..
It's weird, but whatever works for him I guess.
Interesting how those are my only two options. Even so I guess the first is almost right, I want to put this day behind me.
ing when EBR really does cover the reasons I want IR gone.I previously said this bit did not seem scummy. Meh.
More redirection of meaning. Also, EBR did more than just asking Soup about flavour and dropped the point rather quickly. IR maintained his pursuit of meta while not looking closely at other issues.
Sure, I'd agree with it, but that's beside the point. Bad analogies, still taking it as if I'm saying the act of pursuing meta itself is bad.
I counted a total of 6 posts which either asked why looking for meta was bad or emphasising that your reads will not be meta based. Up to that point, I counted one post that did anything other than look for meta. Up to the current post, I remember no posts where you even attempt to use Bardull's given meta (which is what you requested) or respond to my inquiry as to whether you have anything from it (I might be wrong on this).
I maintain my previous point: that he is putting words in my mouth. This was the part of the post that did not ring right with me the first time around, since IR chose mostly to defend his decision to get meta and do little else. It was definitely not EBR stubbornly pursuing the point that caused IR to do very little. It also weakly implies that the game (ie hunting mafia) is lead nowhere just because IR has been sidetracked or something. Subtle and unbidden implications he is town, coming from what you'd describe as a falsified complaint against him. I don't like that.
Implying that scummy play is the only scumtell out there or that you have not played scummily. If he had been more proactive this impasse, as he implies it is, would not have been reached. Only defending and pursuing information of dubious use can be categorised as giving insubstantial content.
At that point I can't remember if your vote was anywhere, but with your read on IR making these random changes and this constant undertone of suspicion for Asdioh that never manifested into a vote, your intentions were unclear. While you may not have actively pushed a Gova lynch, you weren't pushing ANY lynches at that time so that Gova comment you made was significant because by just dropping Gova's name in their I couldn't tell what your intentions are and clearly neither could some other people.
Kk fair enough.
The first part is alright, I don't like that it took one answer to a simple answer to a question to back you off Gova for the Day, and I still think that the pressure that you got from subtly slipping Gova's name into your lynch pool and getting called out for it played a major role in that. But at least it wasn't just a call for a policy lynch.
Is the first town supposed to be town, or down? Either way, can you explain how this works and why WL not doing **** about you fighting with him affected your read on him.
Gord's leaning town for me, he's been providing his reads, and although he's been pretty blunt he has the reasoning to back up his actions. He's also asked questions that contribute to scumhunting in general, as in he's either addressed issues I also wanted to address or his questions provided answers that helped me and possibly others get a read on the person who answered.
However, the point is that those first parts are all good content, even if you disagree with him, he gave his scum picks, reasons, analyzed you and Soup's post for intentions, and explained his lynch pool. Discrediting his post isn't going to help. Neither will "noting" WL doing things that line up with his reads but which you once again passively suggest are scummy.
This is just a weird jab at Gord, it's not so much scummy, just a strange way to say that you think Gord is following WL.
Why bring these things up know, instead of when they happened? Your first part of the post I can agree with, idk what aa's case is on you. But the last part seems like you are justing waiting to set up your vote on him, like you've kept those points as ammo for a while just waiting to get on the wagon. And what made you "finally understand" the reasoning for the aa votes?
This wording makes me uncomfortable, flipping his as scum and such has such a dirty sound to it. Still, you've been playing like a frustrated townie so I'm thinking this is just an awkward choice of words, but it did stick out to me.
That AtE is bad, but I can't deny that Asdioh jump onto your wagon was sketchy as hell. Why would GLG be likely scum if he jumped on your wagon?
You've been doing this ever since the IR wagon fell apart and I really can't stand it. Give me a ****ing reason why aa is town.
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I think she's town because she hasn't shown me anything scummy and I rather like how she's responding, especially to me. She's picking up on most of the aspects of my play that I consider pretty patchy.
I'll be mad if you hammer me.
I believe I was not voting at that point. I was pretty passive at that point. If you choose to take it as significant, I'm fine with it, I got my Gova suspicions out of the way because of it, even though that wasn't really my intention.
Mmhm. I was pretty damn nonchalant about anyone at that point.
Ya, I was passive. I'll stop that now, vote IR for me please
The main point of that bit was to push Gord into actually analysing, not typing weak one-liners. He didn't express what he liked about it, just that WL is an artist because he can construct posts, or something vague like that (WL could be an artist, dunno). I would've been fine with him saying what you just did, but no, I have no clue what he likes about the post. Look at the rest of the post in question, he doesn't respond with any particular detail or much original thought.
You sure about the 'proposed seriously' thing?
Even I don't think the theory has credibility, especially now that I don't read Asdioh as scummy. You should accept my list of alignments over anything you judge as a 'jab at WL'.
I don't think it, it's absolutely true. Gord has said more than once (two or three times iirc) that he is basically agreeing with WL all the way. One of his earlier posts said something to this effect as well. I don't like it, I don't think WL really likes it either.
It's Soup. I don't think it's special.
Look at what GLG has done. He's been so deviant I can say with certainty he's doing it on purpose, maybe to avoid sheeping calls or something. I'm the most likely lynch right now, if he jumps on the popular wagon, having not even mentioned me before, I would not look favourably on that.
If it happens it happens. Just make sure you look at that AtE post seriously.
right now (have i evolved 
) I don't really care for that call anymore, since it is really why I don't like your slot.
it's called evening the odds, i look for town reads and then anyone i don't consider town or have some suspicion to them i consider scum, it's not like i read EVERYONE as town.
If it wasn't obvious, I had AA as null at the time his wagon was building up. I kept asking people for explanations of why it was building, because I couldn't see it. However, I eventually realized how noncommital he seemed, and when it culminated in his "coin flip" vote on me I just couldn't see him as town.
...dunno what to say
This is why I can't by him as town right now, even after I read the game I was linked to. There isn't logical progression it's just gut feelings and meta to support a town read. I can sort of see the argument for it, but I can't sit down and accept it.
Bull****. Scum has to pretend to scumhunt in order to fool town. He presented an extremely reaching case on someone no one had a scum read on while avoiding popular topics. This is exactly something I would expect scum to do. And your last sentence is just wifom.
I believe I said leaning scum when I read into him more.
in the quote
Bull**** it's not a valid point.
