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That's good to hear, the movie seems to polarize people more than just about any movie I can think of. It was well hated by the average movie goer at the box office, after it's great opening weekend it dropped so sharply in the following weeks that it barely turned a profit (probably even lost money after advertising costs). After that everyone I talked to either said they LOVED it or HATED it. I spoke with a lot of people about it spoiler free because I just wanted to see if I ever could find someone that just thought it was "ok" or mediocre, but I never did. Seriously, people were like yeah it's amazing or they thought it was the worst thing ever. I think I got slightly more negative responses than positives lol at this point I'm more excited to see it more to understand what about it is so polarizing than to see if it's faithful to the graphic novel.
The movie is VERY faithful to the graphic novel. Trust me. The only reason why people hate on it so damn badly is because Alan Moore is a caveman that hates Hollywood. He has ample reason to do so, seeing as how Hollywood has butchered some of his treasured works. (League of Extraordinary Gentleman comes to mind here and, to a lesser extent, From Hell. Although what my girlfriend says about From Hell is pretty damn accurate: You can't expect to squeeze in a book that's damn close to four hundred pages into about an hour or so.)
I recently lost a huge amount of respect for Alan Moore 'cause he writes **** like this now:
I thought Snyder did an amazing job at staying faithful to the source material. Were some things cut in transition from book to movie?
The lion's share of Rorschach's time in prison with the psychologist/pathologist, the "more expansive" look at Dr. Manhattan's origins, the vignettes, the "novellas within a novel," etc.
Was the ending tampered with?
Helluva lot more believable than the comic. Still ridiculous, of course, but nothing as crazy as a gene-spliced tentacle thingie. But then again, you could argue that the whole point of the ending was a suspension of belief, to remind you that in spite of the grit and grime this was still a superhero book. Though a similar point could be made about the movie at certain points but I digress.
The answers to both of these questions is yes, but I don't think he cheapened the franchise at all by doing these things. He did what he could in the constraints of his medium, and with adaptations like these, that's all you can really do.
Edit: I recommend watching the Director's Cut, btw. It makes the movie a little long-ish, but the Black Freighter tie-ins and the added scenes are too good.
The movie is VERY faithful to the graphic novel. Trust me. The only reason why people hate on it so damn badly is because Alan Moore is a caveman that hates Hollywood. He has ample reason to do so, seeing as how Hollywood has butchered some of his treasured works. (League of Extraordinary Gentleman comes to mind here and, to a lesser extent, From Hell. Although what my girlfriend says about From Hell is pretty damn accurate: You can't expect to squeeze in a book that's damn close to four hundred pages into about an hour or so.)
I recently lost a huge amount of respect for Alan Moore 'cause he writes **** like this now:
I thought Snyder did an amazing job at staying faithful to the source material. Were some things cut in transition from book to movie?
The lion's share of Rorschach's time in prison with the psychologist/pathologist, the "more expansive" look at Dr. Manhattan's origins, the vignettes, the "novellas within a novel," etc.
Was the ending tampered with?
Helluva lot more believable than the comic. Still ridiculous, of course, but nothing as crazy as a gene-spliced tentacle thingie. But then again, you could argue that the whole point of the ending was a suspension of belief, to remind you that in spite of the grit and grime this was still a superhero book. Though a similar point could be made about the movie at certain points but I digress.
The answers to both of these questions is yes, but I don't think he cheapened the franchise at all by doing these things. He did what he could in the constraints of his medium, and with adaptations like these, that's all you can really do.
Edit: I recommend watching the Director's Cut, btw. It makes the movie a little long-ish, but the Black Freighter tie-ins and the added scenes are too good.
Lost Girls is pretty interesting. Certainly not my cup of tea, but I don't think explicit sex = smut, necessarily.
Seb, we can talk more on here once you've seen it, but the Watchmen film is a really mixed bag. At first glance you can come out of it extremely happy, claiming extreme faithfulness to the source material. But I really think if you look any deeper into it, that "faithfulness" is just a facade. Snyder literally used the comic frames as storyboards. He blew them up and gave them to the production designers. A lot of hard work went into the film making sure it looked exactly like the comic. I remain convinced that Snyder is dumb enough to think that that makes it "extremely faithful" to the graphic novel. But it doesn't, and in a way it held him back. He was so concerned about getting every background prop exactly right out of the page that he forgot about meaning, emotion and subtext. All of which are long gone in the film. Gone is the Comedian's sad, pathetic mirror of the American Dream, in favor of his killer throwing a knife in slow-motion at him, punching his wall in slow motion, etc. Gone is the empty irony of the villain's end plan in favor of extended fight scenes with Rorschach and Nite Owl. Gone is the emotional joy in Dan Dreiberg finally letting go in favor of SLO-MO ****ING AWW YEAH
Snyder is a very visual storyteller (and that's about it) so when that's all it calls for, the film ****ing soars in certain parts... like the Dr Manhattan origin sequence. But they're few and far between.
The more I think about it, the more I would have much rather seen Paul Greengrass's version, changes and all.
edit: IMHO of course
edit edit: ending spoilers -
There was no possible way they could fit the island subplot into the film without it running 4 1/2 hours. The changes are fine, really...although blaming it all on Dr Manhattan doesn't entirely hold up, since he's always been a United States-sponsored hero, and everybody would just end up blaming the US. I really love the meta nature of the tentacle beastie though. He's cute.
Also, Lost Girls was written quite a long time ago, and it wasn't THAT bad.
I mean, yes, it's Alan Moore's attempt to legitimatize pornography/erotica into a viable, acceptable artform (though I suppose you could argue that it always has been), but it's actually not a terrible idea for a graphic novel. It's certainly the best medium for it to be released.
I'm on Cog's side. A lot of the visuals were true to the book, but it felt like it missed the tone of the graphic novel IMO. I understand why they would try to make the action scenes a bigger deal (try to get wider appeal as an action movie), but I just feel like that detracted from the whole point of exposing super heroes as human beings with flaws and weaknesses. Both the Prison fight scene and the Ending fight scene just seemed so overboard from what they were in the book and it really bothered me.
How do you play with friends online in MvC3 (PS3)? I can't seem to find any options for it. All I see are the quick player/ranked matches and search/create lobby. When I go to my friends license cards, I don't see anything either.
Am I missing something? I haven't actually created a lobby yet... can I create one and invite a friend or something?
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guess who needs airport transportation again? i need to leave FROM wesleyan to the airport between noon and 2:30pm on friday, march 4th :o
if someone is able to take me please let me know so i don't have to call a cab
you will be handsomely rewarded, and here's how!:
if you can help me out text or pm me...midterms are coming up so i'm going to be way less active on the boards until i get home.
@hab good luck, man. it can be really hard trying to recover, much less motivating yourself to work your *** off just to get back to where you were. hang in there, man, you are stellar and i know you can work through this and CRUSH baby men!
if there's anything any of us can do to help just give a shout
I appreciate the lovage, Papa Hazy, but there really isn't much that can be done outside of getting me a job. A full time job.
Speaking of which, driving to the other side of Waterbury has recently been deemed too expensive in our book, so it looks like Fridays at CCSU just got about 100% less habulous.
I appreciate the lovage, Papa Hazy, but there really isn't much that can be done outside of getting me a job. A full time job.
Speaking of which, driving to the other side of Waterbury has recently been deemed too expensive in our book, so it looks like Fridays at CCSU just got about 100% less habulous.
