HollaAtchaBoy
Smash Master
Satoshi Kon died too young. He had so many trippy, beautifully-colored ideas to rehash and resell in different animes.
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What do you guys think of the "Online Pass" nonsense that retailers are thinking about implementing to combat Gamestop's used game market?
Zombie Lucille Ball
Smash Master
yea Pakman, I dunno what that is.
My favorite part of the post to Cog is this:
"I regard Cog the way I would the sort of stinking filth I might have to clean off my boots after a careless walk in a dog kennel"
it's just genius, how the **** does that site do it?
My favorite part of the post to Cog is this:
"I regard Cog the way I would the sort of stinking filth I might have to clean off my boots after a careless walk in a dog kennel"
it's just genius, how the **** does that site do it?
Zombie Lucille Ball
Smash Master
Kind of stupid. Kind of really stupid.
I find it hard to get a real opinion on it because I already dislike EA, and especially sports games, so I'm not buying their **** either way. I do think it's mostly crap though.
I have heard some pretty decent arguments for both sides of used games argument.
I don't think this is the right way to do it, but companies do get pretty screwed from used games sales.
Unlike say a used car where after the car is sold the dealer and manufacturer don't really care what happens, a publisher is forced to monetarily support their online user base or risk a pretty big PR fiasco. Running large servers for games is not cheap and requires a fair amount of monitoring. Any person who buys a used game is utilizing this service that costs money to the publisher without the publisher making anything off of the sale.
I don't think this is the right way to do it, but companies do get pretty screwed from used games sales.
Unlike say a used car where after the car is sold the dealer and manufacturer don't really care what happens, a publisher is forced to monetarily support their online user base or risk a pretty big PR fiasco. Running large servers for games is not cheap and requires a fair amount of monitoring. Any person who buys a used game is utilizing this service that costs money to the publisher without the publisher making anything off of the sale.
Octave
Smash Ace
Sports games aren't real video games. >>;
If you want to play football so bad go outside imo.
If you want to play football so bad go outside imo.
Um, the counter argument is pretty straight forward and I don't think I can possibly take the argument you put forth here seriously.
Person A buys the game. By doing this EA says they're going to support that person's online playing experience. If person A keeps the game forever, he's not paying an extra dime over playing it once and re-selling the game. Now, in the scenario where he re-sells the game and then Person B buys it, how is EA providing any extra support by supporting Person B playing the game forever from there rather than just supporting Player A from the offset. What the hell entitles them to make more money off of the owner of the game changing when it doesn't increase the number of players they need to support?
I don't really agree with the online pass. I am playing devil's advocate, because I don't think it is that far fetched because it is a business issue and not a logistics one.
Let's say online games are a concert. I buy a ticket to the concert. Turns out I don't like the show. I am not allowed to sell the remainder of my attendance to some guy so he can sell it to some other guy.
People sell games when they are done playing them and leave a vacancy on the server. When the number of vacancies gets above a certain threshold, they stop supporting the game because it is too costly. I imagine Microsoft stopped supporting the original XBOX's online system because the amount of people using it dipped below a certain point. Used game sales prolong the running of these servers without the influx of income to make justify the cost of online support.
Free bug fixes, patches and enhancements are paid for by game sales. It isn't a stretch of the imagination for companies to want compensation from people who didn't support them by buying their game used.
The bigger issue IMO is that GameStop is the entity that is responsible for the used games market but EA is taking it out on the consumer.
Let's say online games are a concert. I buy a ticket to the concert. Turns out I don't like the show. I am not allowed to sell the remainder of my attendance to some guy so he can sell it to some other guy.
People sell games when they are done playing them and leave a vacancy on the server. When the number of vacancies gets above a certain threshold, they stop supporting the game because it is too costly. I imagine Microsoft stopped supporting the original XBOX's online system because the amount of people using it dipped below a certain point. Used game sales prolong the running of these servers without the influx of income to make justify the cost of online support.
Free bug fixes, patches and enhancements are paid for by game sales. It isn't a stretch of the imagination for companies to want compensation from people who didn't support them by buying their game used.
The bigger issue IMO is that GameStop is the entity that is responsible for the used games market but EA is taking it out on the consumer.
yes they do, they just don't get 'new' sales to reflect it. If their game's that good, people won't resell it and other people won't be able to wait until others are tired of it. Suck it up and
Hazygoose
Smash Lord
one-in one-out doesn't add anyone to the player base. the used game market "hurts" developers (see: publishers) because everytime a used game is purchased, they obviously get no money. ea isn't the only company taking strides to combat this. thq is releasing their next wwe game (dunno if that also qualifies as a sport) with a one-time code that gives you additional download content.
whether it's only giving online playability to paying customers (to them at least, and yes, buying a used game does not make you a paying customer at all. what entitles them to make more money off person A? they made the ****ing game. what will this all do? curb used game sales? that satisfies their goal completely then.) or giving additional content to paying customers (this has been done similarly with pre-sales, etc, but in this case it is that fans of the company/game series/wrestling are getting perks for buying the game new.), these companies are just doing what makes sense in the realm of business. the problem with gamestop is that not only is it fueling the used games market but as the biggest game store it's also the best way for most any console game to be marketed/sold. that's got to be insanely frustrating for video game companies (and obviously competitors). not sure where i'm going with this, i should not smoke before like 8pm.
omfg 9 days. i am so pumped. anyone want to chill with sean and i saturday after i get settled in? no idea how long he'll stay and chill but i'll just be at wes and most of my friends at school aren't moving in until sunday :o
whether it's only giving online playability to paying customers (to them at least, and yes, buying a used game does not make you a paying customer at all. what entitles them to make more money off person A? they made the ****ing game. what will this all do? curb used game sales? that satisfies their goal completely then.) or giving additional content to paying customers (this has been done similarly with pre-sales, etc, but in this case it is that fans of the company/game series/wrestling are getting perks for buying the game new.), these companies are just doing what makes sense in the realm of business. the problem with gamestop is that not only is it fueling the used games market but as the biggest game store it's also the best way for most any console game to be marketed/sold. that's got to be insanely frustrating for video game companies (and obviously competitors). not sure where i'm going with this, i should not smoke before like 8pm.
omfg 9 days. i am so pumped. anyone want to chill with sean and i saturday after i get settled in? no idea how long he'll stay and chill but i'll just be at wes and most of my friends at school aren't moving in until sunday :o
SwiftBass
Smash Hero
ccsu guys should hold a fest and bring cort like tomm lol. or like sat lol
when y'all move in?
when y'all move in?
Octave
Smash Ace
I move in tomorrow. I'm so excited lol.
Hazygoose
Smash Lord
SwiftBass
Smash Hero
who all is still at ccsu?
octave
trademark
and.....
did i mention you guys should hold and fest and have cort over there?
octave
trademark
and.....
did i mention you guys should hold and fest and have cort over there?
Octave
Smash Ace
afaik it's just us two. Spade (who has posted like twice ever) also attends, but he's nothing :3
But I'm garbage at Melee still, just so you know.
But I'm garbage at Melee still, just so you know.
Scar
#HarveyDent
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?p=11044116#post11044116
just wanted to share some WC shenanigans with my EC homies
in other words i wanted pakman and mogwai to read it lol
just wanted to share some WC shenanigans with my EC homies
in other words i wanted pakman and mogwai to read it lol
SwiftBass
Smash Hero
HollaAtchaBoy
Smash Master
That Geordi "Deal With It" redeems my faith in the meme.
Aesir
Smash Master
Octave
Smash Ace
Wow that version is so much better.
Good games today Noodles. If only I could stop dropping easy ultra combos lol
EDIT- As to the used games debate, I can see both sides of the argument. Someone brought up the point that publisher's have to maintain servers for online play, so using online passes to recoup that cost isn't entirely unreasonable.
However, when you get crackpots accusing people who buy used games of basically stealing, I tell those people to go to hell:
http://kotaku.com/5620280/thq-buying-used-games-is-cheating
EDIT- As to the used games debate, I can see both sides of the argument. Someone brought up the point that publisher's have to maintain servers for online play, so using online passes to recoup that cost isn't entirely unreasonable.
However, when you get crackpots accusing people who buy used games of basically stealing, I tell those people to go to hell:
http://kotaku.com/5620280/thq-buying-used-games-is-cheating
HollaAtchaBoy
Smash Master
I am at a loss for words as to how awesome this picture is.
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=30400479&id=1368810281
I cannot stop lawling.
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=30400479&id=1368810281
I cannot stop lawling.
AxelSlam
Smash Ace
i finally watched this from undergroundwellness, but i'm still confused.
so he made a drug that basically cured cancer and no one knew or something?
;[
Basically his drug has significantly milder side effects than Chemo and has a higher success rate. The issue is that this one guy holds the patent rights to the treatment. The FDA are in bed with big Pharma so much, that they are making it ridiculously hard for this guy to get his miracle treatment approved, because if this stuff works all the money the pharmaceutical companies make from chemo and other cancer treatments is basically going to go way down.
The FDA did numerous underhanded things to mess with this guy's research. It can take a normal drugs months to a few years for approval. His has taken a decade and a half and might be one of the biggest medical breakthroughs of the century.
The FDA did numerous underhanded things to mess with this guy's research. It can take a normal drugs months to a few years for approval. His has taken a decade and a half and might be one of the biggest medical breakthroughs of the century.
I like how you conveniently left out that you got like $527367345985792845 from teams and singles and couldn't have possibly cared less about the match vs. Koryouu, lol.
I post a deal with it gif featuring a character from Star Trek the Next Generation and you don't even mention it...
<marquee>Fixed</marquee>I post a deal with it gif featuring a character from Reading Rainbow and you don't even mention it...
Zombie Lucille Ball
Smash Master
That's downright unamerican. Borderline fascist.
I was doing you a favor. Once you get me started talking about Star Trek, it's pretty hard to get me to stop.I like how you conveniently left out that you got like $527367345985792845 from teams and singles and couldn't have possibly cared less about the match vs. Koryouu, lol.
I post a deal with it gif featuring a character from Star Trek the Next Generation and you don't even mention it...
the right response would've been posting a deal with it gif (maybe even the same one).
god****it Jam, you're no fun.
god****it Jam, you're no fun.
I was just lulling you into a false sense of security so that you wouldn't see it coming. You walked right into my trap!
trademark0013
Smash Champion
ignore this post
P. O. F.
Smash Ace
Yun and yang are confirmed for ssf4.
Go to srk and look at one of the top articles.
Not excited for either of these characters....(waits for more hints for the other four.)
Pm me if you wanna talk sf. I'm not coming back to this thread.
Go to srk and look at one of the top articles.
Not excited for either of these characters....(waits for more hints for the other four.)
Pm me if you wanna talk sf. I'm not coming back to this thread.
Aesir
Smash Master
Man if I had a nickle every time I've seen this post.
I don't know, that seems kind of thin to call a confirmation.
Besides, with the way that most SF3 characters have transferred to 4 (read: horribly), I wouldn't be too excited either.
Besides, with the way that most SF3 characters have transferred to 4 (read: horribly), I wouldn't be too excited either.
AxelSlam
Smash Ace
oh word yun