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It's a competitive thread. Making shots at the characters themselves does not contribute anything. I'll take shots at characters all day, but this isn't the place for it, and I called someone out for it.
You read linearity into a statement where it did not exist which comes across as trying to make the statement fit another meaning than it was intended. The tweet said nothing about linearity, but then you come up and say, hey, maybe it really does.
How good would you say Kirby is after his buffs?
This is about correct. Very many dislike comeback mechanics (unless you play the character with the comeback mechanic). Myself included.
Idk, I don't know how good the rest of the cast is, honestly.
Eh, depends. They're usually done way better in not-Smash, from my experience.
You might as well. IDK anything about Kirby's viability. Do you still think he's a low tier?
Based on what it can do, it can serve as an anti-air and a combo starter (or continue one). But, as you pointed out, Up-Tilt has barely any vertical reach (but it does have intangibility on his hands, giving it some sense of disjointed), so it can't serve as an anti-air very well. Old Up-Tilt also could be used to cover ledge get-up and ledge jump, but new Up-Tilt wouldn't do well at the latter. That said, maybe it could be used to cover [ledge] get-up and roll options? Just something to experiment with.
Pichu's neutral is definitely linear, I'll give you that.
I actually really like that tactic. A quick way to test your opponents' knowledge. Though, if they know he does that, they could just fake it and maybe score an easy hit later.
and his FAir, the move has its faults, but looking at Smash 4 videos and sets involving Maister and Dingus Joe is really starting to make me realize just how lackluster his previous forward, given how infrequently the move was used in competitive Smash 4. The move looked fine at first, having a decent disjoint, and dealing about 11% damage on hit, but in terms of what it did, the move was just hopelessly outclassed by his back aerial. Its disjoint, while good, couldn’t compare to his old back aerial, which meant spacing with the move was more of a struggle. The move also wasn’t faster at all either, coming out on frame 10, but more importantly, its clean hit was only one frame long; compared to back aerial’s effective multi-hit duration and its unique landing hitbox, trying to fall with it the same way you would with back aerial would often result in you eating a grab for your troubles in comparison. The move also had its power gutted from SSBB, so it wasn’t even that effective at KOing characters. The move did have a niche over his back aerial in that it was a forward response to the opponent, but even then, the move was frame 10, so the move wasn’t instantaneous in that regard. Aside from that, his previous forward aerial didn’t cover any situation that his back aerial couldn't. Even now, Fire works better as an immediate response thanks to the fact that it’s frame 3 and has a front and back generous hitbox.
is a solid high tier but too undertuned to be top tier. A lot of his bad MUs go something like "YL would win or be even with this character except they kill him 50% earlier than he kills them". He has one of the best projectile zoning games and a great combo game making him one of the best characters for building damage. YL gets the best of both TL and Link's worlds with Link's amazing landing game and TL's zoning game. YL has 3 aerials with only 6f landing lag. His arrows are by far the best of the 3 Links and very spammable. Nair is f4 and one of the best moves in the game; it outbuttons most of the cast in the air. Dsmash hits almost entirely horizontally and is amazing vs bad recovery characters. I say "best" a lot but darnit YL has some amazing tools. is a weird hybrid of a slow heavyweight who trades weight for zoning tools. His reach is on par with Ike's and he compliments sword zoning with 3 projectiles. Boomerangs are one of the best moves in the game, better than Wolf's blaster because they combo into Fair up close and have a returning hit which controls space for a long time. Link would be much worse without it. While Link lacks YL's combo abilities he has a much easier time killing. Remote bombs are amazing offstage. Everyone knows about Lucina. She's basic but has amazing coverage with quick disjointed moves. In 6-8 frames she can hit anywhere in a wide circle all around her. UpB has f1 invulnerability and she has a shield breaker for big punishes. Lucina's not falling out of top tier short of being nerfed. She'll always pop up as a pocket character when players like Leo need her. has been placed as the best super heavyweight by some players but I disagree. He has the heavy character polarization where on good days he looks high tier but on bad days, low tier. Even moreso than other heavies because he can kill you at 60-80%+ with huge smash attacks but gets gimped at the same %s with his bottom tier recovery. He has good reach with his sword and long legs but poor frame data. Ganon's scary when he gets going but can also be shut down hard. He's one of those characters who isn't in control 90% of a match but kills you in 3 hits. also has the heavy character polarization. He has major issues with the biggest hurtbox in the game and a ton of endlag. He also has some great tools like getting 20% off every grab and belly armor on attacks which gives him a strong mixup up game. Off grab, Uthrow deals 19.2% so no matter how hard you mash you're eatting a big chunk of damage. At later %s Dthrow buries and combos into his f5 Utilt. Around 100% he can play a guessing game off Dthrow where his f6 Usmash will kill you if you pop out early but another smash will kill you if you don't mash. Then around 140% he can Dthrow>Ftilt kill which will probably beat any mashing.
Any time I can catch a ledge roll with UTilt, I'd rather go for something like DSmash > FSmash (this can cover neutral get up, some get up attacks AND ledge roll if you space right for the MU) or one of his better options. I also dislike how the only thing I'm left to properly catch jumps with is NAir now, UTilt does not work as a good AA move as that was the first way I tried to make use of it.. I didn't see too much success there. The only place I use it now is when I'm going for desperate build-a-bear style combos and I think "nothing else is gonna hit, let's pull some flags" or something.
got slammed with nerfs, his smashes now have more endlag - most notably, he got a hurtbox increase(?!) got almost nerfed across the board as well; all his self-damaging attacks now inflict more damage on himself, and FTilt and FSmash got nerfed most notable nerf is probably FAir having less knockback got her FSmash and FAir knockback nerfed his down Smash range got nerfed - again - and his blaster now has more endlag is basically untouched, aside from a small buff to Eigaon got a lot of nice QoL buffs; up smash works now and he has better UAir also seems to have quite a bit of nice upgrades, FAir and BAir are stronger now untouched - outside of a buffed rapid jab untouched got some buffs but, they don't seem too significant honestly all got a laundry list of buffs, buffs and more buffs - mains better check these out cause I'm no expert on these
Patch notes from 3.1.0
https://en-americas-support.nintendo.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/45405
Some big takeaways from patch notes:
There's a lot more here to digest.
was also completely unchanged, as in she was literally not in the notes at all. We are still going to be seeing a lot of the goddesith how relatively easy and effective she can be....that came out kinda wrong.
Lucina did get changed, two of her best KO moves (FAir and FSmash) got their knockback nerfed. Oddly, Marth didn't share said nerf. Palutena is untouched though.
Well I'd argue that fair was more good for edgeguarding and pressure than it was for killing.
I expect Snake and Palutena to shoot up more until they possibly get nerfed. Fox as well since he was also untoched and be beats them both
Joker literally just came out vs characters who have been around for several months
Best thing about the patch imo. Patch is a good one for him if anything. Would like a down smash that has less startup or endlag, but I'm biased in that regard.
