Coming Right Back At Ya: Kirby for Smash Switch discussion

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#81
I appreciate the data, but I'd be wary about everything remaining the same all the way towards release.
Oh trust me I am not acting like this is final but it’s good to know what areas are being fiddled with and if it’s for the better or worse.
 

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I don't know why but i really don't like his final smash, mainly just because it was something that appeared in one Game, whilst something like Cook has been in Multiple games, makes sense though, i guess.
Yeah I feel the same. I wish he had something like the Crash or Mic abilities or even though it was only in one game the Robobot or Hypernova
 

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PushBlockGaming be hinting that Kirby's apparently still low-tier in this game, incase he's gonna be the subject of his next analysis video. Thoughts?
 
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#86

PushBlockGaming be hinting that Kirby's apparently still low-tier in this game, incase he's gonna be the subject of his next analysis video. Thoughts?
His analysis are pretty well made I admit.
Though the attempts of "jokes" he throws in make it hard to watch sometimes.
If he tones it down on the "dank memes", I may give it a listen.
 
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So far I haven’t been concerned about tiers until the game release, but I have to admit I don’t want Kirby to be underplayed due to repetitive gameplay like in Brawl and Smash WIIU.
 

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Kirby is probably going to be low tier in Smash Bros Ultimate, but I could really careless because I never had a problem with him.

All I really wanted was his old dash attack which is a reality now.
 

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That is definitely either the spirit or the PvE mode giving the CPUs higher knockback ratios (similar to multi-man smash). That killed Metal Mario at 74% and regular Mario at 60%.

If Kirby had anything that strong normally I feel like we'd all be up in flames of hype rn and Smash tube would be publishing clickbait left and right, but from what I've heard is still can be used to kill now, just not this unbelievably early. He'd also leap up the tier list from dash attack alone in that case.
 
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This gold was posted in Discord yesterday:

https://twitter.com/bakagotchi/status/1068495100064555010

I think we can consider this a small preview of what Kirby's combo game will look like in Smash Ultimate. Just from this, it's quite clear that F-Air, N-Air, and Up Air's landing lag buffs will be very help for Kirby's combo game. I can't wait to see what we can come up with when we can finally play the games at our leisure.
 

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This gold was posted in Discord yesterday:

https://twitter.com/bakagotchi/status/1068495100064555010

I think we can consider this a small preview of what Kirby's combo game will look like in Smash Ultimate. Just from this, it's quite clear that F-Air, N-Air, and Up Air's landing lag buffs will be very help for Kirby's combo game. I can't wait to see what we can come up with when we can finally play the games at our leisure.
We're gonna see a lot of weird up tilt shenanigans again.
 

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Those combos look spiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiicy

We'll see if they're really good or not once the rest of us get our hands on the game.
 
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Yep, same. I want to try things out. I still don't know what other character I'll co-main.
 

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This gold was posted in Discord yesterday:

https://twitter.com/bakagotchi/status/1068495100064555010

I think we can consider this a small preview of what Kirby's combo game will look like in Smash Ultimate. Just from this, it's quite clear that F-Air, N-Air, and Up Air's landing lag buffs will be very help for Kirby's combo game. I can't wait to see what we can come up with when we can finally play the games at our leisure.
Holy crap those combos are harder than they look.
 

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From my experience with Kirby so far, it looks like I won't be maining him. ALL of the things that turned me off from Kirby in Smash 4 are still here.
 

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I'm not linking that battlefield platforms seem to consistently interrupt F-throw. I find that I keep landing on them after the throw, so I can't follow up with aerials. I hope they fix this.... I wonder how they could have missed it, or if it was intentional...
 
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I'm not linking that battlefield platforms seem to consistently interrupt F-throw. I find that I keep landing on them after the throw, so I can't follow up with aerials. I hope they fix this.... I wonder how they could have missed it, or if it was intentional...
It is annoying. Right now the best workaround we found was that at low mid percents, a F Throw on a platform can setup Jab locks and tech chases. Final Cutter can also be mashed out before Kirby hits a platform.
 
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So, I've been getting stuck into online with our super tough pink puff. Well actually, I use the yellow skin, but still. Anyway, Kirby still has a bunch of good combo tools. F-throw is still good, leading into f-air at early%'s, possibly d-air (I haven't tried that so much though) and at least Final Cutter at mid%'s (which is good on the Battlefields since he now lands on platforms after the throw, and as TimG57867 TimG57867 says above, you can get it out before he hits the platform). D-air is still pretty strong as a move, and if the foe isn't expecting it, it can lead into any smash (d-smash is the one I seem to commonly use though) at any% (if the opponent techs if you hit them in the air, you can easily get a d-smash hit). N-air is real good landing with, 7 frames is like nothing, and is still an all around good move. Final Cutter and Stone feel better, but then again, that may be inexperience on the parts of the opponents. I do still think that his biggest drawbacks are range and speed however, although his new-old dash attack and sped up initial dash help with that. Speaking of, dash attack is far, FAR better the Smash 4 version. Being single-hit, a shield-crossup, a surprisingly long-lasting hitbox (I've caught a lot of people out with it), and can also kill is so much better than whatever Break Spin did in Smash 4. B-air is even better than before due to the landing lag reduction, while still being a potent move and kill move overall. F-air is also pretty strong due to the landing lag reduction, also managing to combo into f-tilt if you land with either of the first two hits.
 
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So, I've been getting stuck into online with our super tough pink puff. Well actually, I use the yellow skin, but still. Anyway, Kirby still has a bunch of good combo tools. F-throw is still good, leading into f-air at early%'s, possibly d-air (I haven't tried that so much though) and at least Final Cutter at mid%'s (which is good on the Battlefields since he now lands on platforms after the throw, and as TimG57867 TimG57867 says above, you can get it out before he hits the platform). D-air is still pretty strong as a move, and if the foe isn't expecting it, it can lead into any smash (d-smash is the one I seem to commonly use though) at any% (if the opponent techs if you hit them in the air, you can easily get a d-smash hit). N-air is real good landing with, 7 frames is like nothing, and is still an all around good move. Final Cutter and Stone feel better, but then again, that may be inexperience on the parts of the opponents. I do still think that his biggest drawbacks are range and speed however, although his new-old dash attack and sped up initial dash help with that. Speaking of, dash attack is far, FAR better the Smash 4 version. Being single-hit, a shield-crossup, a surprisingly long-lasting hitbox (I've caught a lot of people out with it), and can also kill is so much better than whatever Break Spin did in Smash 4. B-air is even better than before due to the landing lag reduction, while still being a potent move and kill move overall. F-air is also pretty strong due to the landing lag reduction, also managing to combo into f-tilt if you land with either of the first two hits.
Dair has been my go to starter. Dair, then Dtilt or Utilt depending on what I want.
Fair is solid spacing. I like it a bit more than Bair since it covers more vertical space.
Running and letting go of control stick and smashing has been my best success with getting consistent kills. Usmash and Fsmash are excellent regardless the scenario.

I'm not a fan of the wifi since there is much more prediction involved and less reaction.
 
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Dair has been my go to starter. Dair, then Dtilt or Utilt depending on what I want.
Fair is solid spacing. I like it a bit more than Bair since it covers more vertical space.
Running and letting go of control stick and smashing has been my best success with getting consistent kills. Usmash and Fsmash are excellent regardless the scenario.

I'm not a fan of the wifi since there is much more prediction involved and less reaction.
I don't know enough people in person, so I have to use wifi. You know what I find amazingly satisfying to do though? Gimp someone with a poor recovery with the Final Cutter projectile. It's unexpectedly good at that.
 

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I find a big problem I have is doing short hops. Especially online. I use to use short hop aerials and empty short hops often in the older games. Another problem i have is off stage pursuits. Mostly because of Kirby's horrible airspeed. I can't get back soon enough to slam people into a stage edge,a dn I feel like a lot of characters outspace kirby's back air or fair when the moves cross up with others. Recoveries are so strong I've had people recover from the bottom of the screen after hitting them with 3 down airs.
 
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I find a big problem I have is doing short hops. Especially online. I use to use short hop aerials and empty short hops often in the older games. Another problem i have is off stage pursuits. Mostly because of Kirby's horrible airspeed. I can't get back soon enough to slam people into a stage edge,a dn I feel like a lot of characters outspace kirby's back air or fair when the moves cross up with others. Recoveries are so strong I've had people recover from the bottom of the screen after hitting them with 3 down airs.
Honestly with the air dodge changes I think B-Air and F-Air are better for edgeguarding now than D-Air.
 

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Well I definitely need more practice. I played somebody who I think may be from these boards and they wrecked me. They were very fast with kirby and knew exactly what to do in each situation.
 
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