Cold Shoulders: Ice Climbers Social Thread

[Chesstiger2612]

Sry double post

 

[Iceman]

No problem

 

[Chesstiger2612]

Are you able to do Nana d-throws?

 

[Iceman]

I think I'm getting a handle on it. How consistently can you do it?

 

[Chesstiger2612]

Like 80%. You can also c-stick buffer it if Popo is doing something (otherwise he is doing a d-smash which you don't want).
One great method to only get Nana grabbing for practice is to do a turnaround out of run and then gran, Popo will pivot grab while Nana will dash grab and Nana travels further, just makes your practicing easier.

 

[Iceman]

Oh I see. So Nana will grab the opponent and that makes it easier to practice the timing

 

[Chesstiger2612]

Another topic, I have got a 20XX edgeguard setup:
Do an empty pivot just before you are at the ledge while running towards it (if you are not in initial dash crouch inbetween to reset to initial dash with this technique). Nana will grab the ledge while Popo is still onstage. Now do nothing and wait for the recovery. If he could grab the ledge, press shield. Nana will ledge roll to induce ledge occupancy frames while you quickly WD out with Popo and punish.

Having 2 characters is such an advantage.

 

[Player -0]

Another topic, I have got a 20XX edgeguard setup:
Do an empty pivot just before you are at the ledge while running towards it (if you are not in initial dash crouch inbetween to reset to initial dash with this technique). Nana will grab the ledge while Popo is still onstage. Now do nothing and wait for the recovery. If he could grab the ledge, press shield. Nana will ledge roll to induce ledge occupancy frames while you quickly WD out with Popo and punish.

Having 2 characters is such an advantage.

Wasn't this in melee?

 

[Chesstiger2612]

Now it is easier because the crouch out of run thing etc was harder. It was in Melee. You do have a few more possibilities though because you can do stuff with your turnaround, particularly RAR WD and other desyncs.

 

[Iceman]

Like 80%. You can also c-stick buffer it if Popo is doing something (otherwise he is doing a d-smash which you don't want).
One great method to only get Nana grabbing for practice is to do a turnaround out of run and then gran, Popo will pivot grab while Nana will dash grab and Nana travels further, just makes your practicing easier.

So I'm having some trouble getting it. I guess that the timing is giving me some trouble. If I buffer it with the c-stick then I have to input it when I tell Nana to grab?

 

[Hinichii.ez.™]

I pummeled with nana and held the throw out..must uncover all the secrets all now....

Another topic, I have got a 20XX edgeguard setup:
Do an empty pivot just before you are at the ledge while running towards it (if you are not in initial dash crouch inbetween to reset to initial dash with this technique). Nana will grab the ledge while Popo is still onstage. Now do nothing and wait for the recovery. If he could grab the ledge, press shield. Nana will ledge roll to induce ledge occupancy frames while you quickly WD out with Popo and punish.

Having 2 characters is such an advantage.

I need a faster way to get one of them on the edge.

oh and you can charge the smash when you do with the roll desync.

 

[Iceman]

Have you had any more luck with the downthrow command Chesstiger?

Edit: Actually I'm getting the hang of it again. I'm starting to feel the rhythm.

 

[Hinichii.ez.™]

What were the bad melee MU and are they still bad?

 

[Chesstiger2612]

Peach: still bad.
The float approaches are massive, but with more desyncs you have easier desyncs in neutral which help you getting her caught by a Nana sh blizzard. That's your main method stopping her approaches.
You want to approach, but very very slowly. If you purely anti-approach you have problems with different attack timings and Nana always has her shield 6 frames delayed.

Falcon: a bit better.
Falcon cannot float and air stall so he has to commit more and here your new tools are helping you more.

Fox: well...
Use all your neutral game options you regained but lasers are still a problem, as is his unpredictableness, and his edgeguarding and good damage output when separating. Make sure to get the zero-to-deaths

Others were almost even, even or advantageous

 

[Hinichii.ez.™]

I heard and saw the ganon MU. How does that pan out here? Fly was forced to go sheik against bazzaro in a SSS not to long ago. I later did see fly use ic and win but yea.

 

[Chesstiger2612]

He wasn't that experienced in the matchup, you need to react quick to some approaches. You don't even want him to get an aerial approach so stay close to him while out of his range to react to him jumping. 6 frames jumpsquat and slow aerials. Fly had problems because he had to throw his shield out because otherwise Nana would not shield in time, then Bizarro would do a DJ or an aerial as mixup which is pretty safe. You basically don't want to need to do the preemptive shield to keep Nana safe, so be creative in hindering Ganon before he can get in this advantageous situation.

 

[Hylian]

Hey guys, people have been asking me about this all the time so I figured I'd share some good news! We have for the most part fixed throw release points meaning IC's will be able to do ledge hand-offs and some other grab related things they had trouble with now! We are still bug testing so the fix is tenative, but things are looking good for IC's in the future .

So uh..don't drop them yet.

 

[Chesstiger2612]

Yo Hylian can you plz delay the Nana automatic throw by 2-frames. It has such a tight window right now and I don't think it is good if >10% of the character (the normal handoffs) are dependant on the one very hard window you either can do or not. It is kind of like wobbling in Melee where for example Fly chooses not to do it because you need to completely focus on it.

 

[Hylian]

I delayed the window by a lot before they were even released lol. I think it's pretty easy. It's just not easy in 3.02 because of release points.

 

[Hinichii.ez.™]

nevermind
nevermind

 

[Iceman]

Is the next update coming out soon?

 

[Chesstiger2612]

@ Hylian
Don't know if it isn't possible currently, but also displaying Nana's percentage would be helpful. Of course you can estimate it but you won't be able to do it as correctly as with the number given and that might obviously influence your decisionmaking

 

[Hylian]

That would also help your opponent.

 

[Player -0]

It would then be like G&W's Judgement, which currently let's both players know. Although it's much more random.

 

[Foxy K]

You the man Hylian.I can't wait to give-n-go some fools.

 

[Chesstiger2612]

That would also help your opponent.

But for the same reason your and your opponent's percentage is shown, it also helps both players.
For me it is just an odd feeling having a character on the screen without knowing the percentage exactly.

 

[Iceman]

I delayed the window by a lot before they were even released lol. I think it's pretty easy. It's just not easy in 3.02 because of release points.

Is the timing easier compared to Melee?

 

[Hylian]

But for the same reason your and your opponent's percentage is shown, it also helps both players.
For me it is just an odd feeling having a character on the screen without knowing the percentage exactly.

Being better at keeping track of nana's % is an inherent trait IC players should have. I promise it will be worse for IC players because nana doesn't DI combo's and people will be able to kill her much easier if they know her %.

Is the timing easier compared to Melee?

Yes.

 

[Chesstiger2612]

Being better at keeping track of nana's % is an inherent trait IC players should have. I promise it will be worse for IC players because nana doesn't DI combo's and people will be able to kill her much easier if they know her %.

I see your point! Another question, would it be justified to set the up-tilt SDI modifier to a slightly lower value (like 0.75x)? Normally 1.00x is no problem but with 6 juggling and one ending hitbox it is pretty easy to get out with ASDI only, and even fast enough to punish it what makes the move much worse outside of desyncs, especially considering it is one of the few tools for Sopo.

 

[Hylian]

I like it's niche use. You can cover opponents SDI options with good descyncing play, which is why you often see top IC's in melee only utilt with one climber.

 

[Chesstiger2612]

If the design is directed towards up-tilt being a move for desync combos etc. it is fine as it is
I like the fact that pivot up-tilt became easier and you can desync with Nana up-smash Popo up-tilt with it

 

[Iceman]

@ Hylian Excuse I have question about game mechanics. What changes were made to the game to prevent wobbling?

 

[Iceman]

What other

Hey guys, people have been asking me about this all the time so I figured I'd share some good news! We have for the most part fixed throw release points meaning IC's will be able to do ledge hand-offs and some other grab related things they had trouble with now! We are still bug testing so the fix is tenative, but things are looking good for IC's in the future .

So uh..don't drop them yet.

What other grab related things will be possible with the fixes?

 

[Iceman]

Hey everyone! What stages are good for the Ice Climbers and why are they good for them? Feel free to be specific.

 

[RideTheLine]

I heard and saw the ganon MU. How does that pan out here? Fly was forced to go sheik against bazzaro in a SSS not to long ago. I later did see fly use ic and win but yea.

I don't like the Ganon match-up. He can cover a lot of your approaches, and often forces me go into a wall of Blizzards. A particular Ganon I play with is rather stomp-happy, and I can't find any tools to deal with it, except for the occasional uair, but he throws them out way too often for me to counter all of them. His attacks will often clip Nana if you try to shield.

Hey everyone! What stages are good for the Ice Climbers and why are they good for them? Feel free to be specific.

I love me some Fountain and Warioware. Both allow me to abuse my high kill power, and I can cover most of the stage with a single wavedash. The platforms on Warioware also allow for uair and bair shenanigans if an opponent misses a tech above you. If the opponent also has high kill power, like Ganon or something, I like Dreamland for the ability to run away and fire ice blocks. It give plenty of space to set up desynchs and make them play your game.

Also, Iceman, I'm taking notes on your match against Shokio. I played ICs against him once and got absolutely shamed. You held up much better than I could against Roy.

 

[Hinichii.ez.™]

Couldn't you just utilt the stomp?

 

[Iceman]

I don't like the Ganon match-up. He can cover a lot of your approaches, and often forces me go into a wall of Blizzards. A particular Ganon I play with is rather stomp-happy, and I can't find any tools to deal with it, except for the occasional uair, but he throws them out way too often for me to counter all of them. His attacks will often clip Nana if you try to shield.


I love me some Fountain and Warioware. Both allow me to abuse my high kill power, and I can cover most of the stage with a single wavedash. The platforms on Warioware also allow for uair and bair shenanigans if an opponent misses a tech above you. If the opponent also has high kill power, like Ganon or something, I like Dreamland for the ability to run away and fire ice blocks. It give plenty of space to set up desynchs and make them play your game.

Also, Iceman, I'm taking notes on your match against Shokio. I played ICs against him once and got absolutely shamed. You held up much better than I could against Roy.

Thanks for the compliment, but I wasn't playing my best that day. I think I can do much better against him next time.

 

[RideTheLine]

Couldn't you just utilt the stomp?

That's one of those match-ups where all my theory goes out the window. I have all the solutions in my head, but he just puts the boot to my face. I switch to Wario, cuz he wrecks Ganon.

Thanks for the compliment, but I wasn't playing my best that day. I think I can do much better against him next time.

I know that feeling. The one time I played him in singles, I got 4-stocked.

 

[KingDozie]

I like FOD,Dreamnland,Wario ware depends on the charc, and Battlefield

 

[RideTheLine]

I like FOD,Dreamnland,Wario ware depends on the charc, and Battlefield

Only stages that matter, right there, I like your taste.