adumbrodeus
Smash Legend
I believe we talked about this before, it's not so much that the person is technically voteless, it's if they vote, they die.
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Chrono Trigger Mafia: Omni and Scamp Win! Adumbrodeus wins!
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Red Arremer
Smash Legend
I claimed because if I wouldn't have claimed, I probably would be dead by now. There's nothing else I could've done after accidentally hammering Chibo.
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Hmm.
Alright, I understand I have the fishiest power of all time, so I'll just have to work around that. There's really not much I can do to circumvent the circumstance except keep up a strong town game.
The reason I FOS Shaya and Adum is because they visited me at night, and then tried to put suspicion on me. I was already suspcious of Shaya. Consider the following possibility:
Shaya is Lavos and attempts to turn me into spawn. It doesn't work, so now he needs a new way to get rid of me. He tries to turn town against me, but it doesn't work. Then Chibo puts him on blast that he visited me, and the day ends. Now, Shaya is looking for a way out of this hole, so he puts as much pressure on me as possible.
But don't you think it would've been advisable to call me out on me being immune to your ability BEFORE Chibo put you on blast? Why wait? Now, thinking about it longer, I realize that it's entirely possible that he didn't think it was actually me that blocked his ability. However, I think it's also fishy that Adum waited so long to come public with that info.
I'll put it this way. If I used a night ability on someone, and it failed, I'd be particularly inclined to heavily search that person, because ability immunity is typical of the bosses. I mean, in this game, if I hit you with an ability, and it bounces off, I'd be like, "Bingo, prime candidate for Lavos." So the fact that people hit me with abilities and stayed quiet is very suspicious to me, hence the FOS.
I am not made aware of when I negate an ability, so for all I know, Shaya and Adum were not the only people to target me with an ability. I am still town, and still not spawn, or any other non-town faction for now though.
If we're going to believe all the claims, then the main heros are clear. I was going to suggest that now that the Doc is out in the open that we mass claim. Obviously, it's likely someone's lying already, but it doesn't make sense for there to be any hidden powers left in the game. At this point, Mafia knows exactly where to hit where it hurts.
Alright, I understand I have the fishiest power of all time, so I'll just have to work around that. There's really not much I can do to circumvent the circumstance except keep up a strong town game.
The reason I FOS Shaya and Adum is because they visited me at night, and then tried to put suspicion on me. I was already suspcious of Shaya. Consider the following possibility:
Shaya is Lavos and attempts to turn me into spawn. It doesn't work, so now he needs a new way to get rid of me. He tries to turn town against me, but it doesn't work. Then Chibo puts him on blast that he visited me, and the day ends. Now, Shaya is looking for a way out of this hole, so he puts as much pressure on me as possible.
But don't you think it would've been advisable to call me out on me being immune to your ability BEFORE Chibo put you on blast? Why wait? Now, thinking about it longer, I realize that it's entirely possible that he didn't think it was actually me that blocked his ability. However, I think it's also fishy that Adum waited so long to come public with that info.
I'll put it this way. If I used a night ability on someone, and it failed, I'd be particularly inclined to heavily search that person, because ability immunity is typical of the bosses. I mean, in this game, if I hit you with an ability, and it bounces off, I'd be like, "Bingo, prime candidate for Lavos." So the fact that people hit me with abilities and stayed quiet is very suspicious to me, hence the FOS.
I am not made aware of when I negate an ability, so for all I know, Shaya and Adum were not the only people to target me with an ability. I am still town, and still not spawn, or any other non-town faction for now though.
If we're going to believe all the claims, then the main heros are clear. I was going to suggest that now that the Doc is out in the open that we mass claim. Obviously, it's likely someone's lying already, but it doesn't make sense for there to be any hidden powers left in the game. At this point, Mafia knows exactly where to hit where it hurts.
If I were Lavos I would have gone for me or Pierce. Then again, what if Lavos is really smart and knows people will think he goes for strong town players and goes for someone who wasn't gonna get lynched by Shaya? Or what if he figured people would think this and he went for weak town play people so they don't get caught once we found it was a recruitment game? I wish I knew if Pierce's ability was legit. For all we know, Pierce, Lavos did go for you for your strong town play, and you are Lavos spawn, and you made that ability up as a cover. For the same reason I understand why anyone would be suspicious of me, since I had pretty strong town play as well. For that reason I am ready to claim.
Omni sorry but your won condition sounds like straight up BS. What happens if we kill all lavos spawn then lavos recruits a new spawn? are you suddenly back into the game? Then that simply means you need to get rid of Lavos AND lavos spawn, since lavos can feign new spawn. But that would just make you town aligned. There are just too many holes in your supposed win condition. I don't believe you ONE BIT. It just makes no logical sense. DMG, Rajam, Shaya, Pierce - can you guys please put your input on this?
Do you guys want me to claim ? I am willing to do it right now if you guys are on board. Whatever you think is best. I will say that I do have some important information that will help clear up some of this confusion in my claim.
Omni sorry but your won condition sounds like straight up BS. What happens if we kill all lavos spawn then lavos recruits a new spawn? are you suddenly back into the game? Then that simply means you need to get rid of Lavos AND lavos spawn, since lavos can feign new spawn. But that would just make you town aligned. There are just too many holes in your supposed win condition. I don't believe you ONE BIT. It just makes no logical sense. DMG, Rajam, Shaya, Pierce - can you guys please put your input on this?
Do you guys want me to claim ? I am willing to do it right now if you guys are on board. Whatever you think is best. I will say that I do have some important information that will help clear up some of this confusion in my claim.
adumbrodeus
Smash Legend
I think it's pretty easy to see why I waited on somebody else, I wanted to be sure you were night-ability immune instead of just being immune to my ability.
I very much doubt lavos is immune to all night actions, specific night actions however, and certain things in certain periods, possibly. So I waited for some sort of confirmation before showing it.
Speaking of which... Pierce, you're missing one of the main heroes.
I very much doubt lavos is immune to all night actions, specific night actions however, and certain things in certain periods, possibly. So I waited for some sort of confirmation before showing it.
Speaking of which... Pierce, you're missing one of the main heroes.
Well, I believe what Omni said actually. As independents, their win conditions are different from Town and Mafia. Mafia needs majority over town/endgamed town, Town needs Mafia gone. What is a different or inbetween condition? Something like "They win once 5-6 players are lynched" or "If certain roles are lynched, they win". A win condition that Lavos Spawns need to be eliminated sounds pretty reasonable, and here's why:
If we are to assume Lavos can recruit another spawn every single night, then their win condition is basically worthless unless they have the ability to night kill. Any time a spawn would be killed, a new one would pop up. Now, what is more likely, is that Lavos cannot always recruit a spawn every single night. Whether this be a regular part of that role (like a restriction of every other night) or something like "In certain time zones, you cannot recruit spawns". If Omni is telling the truth about his win condition, that means that Lavos isn't recruiting every single day for whatever reason.
If we are to assume Lavos can recruit another spawn every single night, then their win condition is basically worthless unless they have the ability to night kill. Any time a spawn would be killed, a new one would pop up. Now, what is more likely, is that Lavos cannot always recruit a spawn every single night. Whether this be a regular part of that role (like a restriction of every other night) or something like "In certain time zones, you cannot recruit spawns". If Omni is telling the truth about his win condition, that means that Lavos isn't recruiting every single day for whatever reason.
adumbrodeus
Smash Legend
The game says that lavos has a plan even after he's killed... perhaps there's an initial spawn, and that's who does the culting, beyond that it's just lavos himself.
I'm wondering though, why go after pierce d1, he wasn't really playing a strong game first day. Maybe for wiform purposes?
That said, I'm pretty sure of Pierce's innocence atm.
Considering their roles, and that lavos is culting, I don't find it hard to believe at all that omni and scamp have the win conditions they say they do.
I'm wondering though, why go after pierce d1, he wasn't really playing a strong game first day. Maybe for wiform purposes?
That said, I'm pretty sure of Pierce's innocence atm.
Considering their roles, and that lavos is culting, I don't find it hard to believe at all that omni and scamp have the win conditions they say they do.
Then I'm willing to drop it, since that seems to be how others feel. Fair enough, some bad logic and inclinations on my part.
Adumbrodeus - I agree that I would gone for pierce night 2 rather than night 1, after his play became much stronger.
Adumbrodeus - I agree that I would gone for pierce night 2 rather than night 1, after his play became much stronger.
@adumbrodeus: either you have yet to learn how to play mafia or you are psuedoscumhunting. who do you think is scum and why NOT based on flavor/game mechanics? your assumptions dont help us at all at finding lavos
@pierce: i understand that you're busy, but i feel like the intensity you had has simmered. u also cant deny that you'd be a huge scum pick for lynching. and it's bit ironic that your claim conveniently protects you from being recruited. let me ask u something. what is the name of that ability because scamp and i have an ability similar to it
@edresses: who do u think is scum
@pierce: i understand that you're busy, but i feel like the intensity you had has simmered. u also cant deny that you'd be a huge scum pick for lynching. and it's bit ironic that your claim conveniently protects you from being recruited. let me ask u something. what is the name of that ability because scamp and i have an ability similar to it
@edresses: who do u think is scum
Rajam
Smash Champion
If no one is counterclaiming Heroes Roles, then I can assum Lavos is either adumbrodeus, Edreeses or Shaya (Gaspar sounds fake to me). Anyways, I'd like to know which characters are adum and Edreeses
I also am aware about Lavos spawns, and in that sense no one is clean; not the heroes, not the indies. But I'm far more interested in finding Lavos so I'll ask again: Edreeses, adumbrodeus: Which characters are you?
I also am aware about Lavos spawns, and in that sense no one is clean; not the heroes, not the indies. But I'm far more interested in finding Lavos so I'll ask again: Edreeses, adumbrodeus: Which characters are you?
Rajam
Smash Champion
Also, which time are we traveling for the next Day? I'll vote Future if no one else has a strong reason against it
PoC: Future 2300 AD
(Currently we're going to EoT)
PoC: Future 2300 AD
(Currently we're going to EoT)
Rajam
Smash Champion
I'd ask DMG to close Pre-historic because I don't find anything useful in going back there atm
Rajam. Did you not read what I said earlier?
Scum (Lavos) more than likely has a SAFE claim. A safe claim is when the moderator gives scum a character that they can claim that is "safe" like Marle or Ayla. The information that is given to them usually says, "Marle is not in the game and you are the only one with this information!"
Still those two DO need to full claim.
Even though Lavos will get a safe name claim scum normally don't get ROLE claims. Therefore, scum normally has to make up those themselves.
Finally, this only applies to Lavos himself. Those who have been recruited are ex-townies meaning they have perfect name and safe claims because... they are true. What's scary is if those same townies KEEP their abilities after being recruited. That means using your power to "prove" your identity doesn't mean ****.
I hate to break it to you guys but with the game in this state relying on flavor/game mechanics will NOT work. You're going to have to play an actual game of mafia and look at playstyles, habits, slips, and apply pressure that way.
Scum (Lavos) more than likely has a SAFE claim. A safe claim is when the moderator gives scum a character that they can claim that is "safe" like Marle or Ayla. The information that is given to them usually says, "Marle is not in the game and you are the only one with this information!"
Still those two DO need to full claim.
Even though Lavos will get a safe name claim scum normally don't get ROLE claims. Therefore, scum normally has to make up those themselves.
Finally, this only applies to Lavos himself. Those who have been recruited are ex-townies meaning they have perfect name and safe claims because... they are true. What's scary is if those same townies KEEP their abilities after being recruited. That means using your power to "prove" your identity doesn't mean ****.
I hate to break it to you guys but with the game in this state relying on flavor/game mechanics will NOT work. You're going to have to play an actual game of mafia and look at playstyles, habits, slips, and apply pressure that way.
It's truly hard when you can't even vote ;\
Okay then:
1. This is an "Overswarm" mafia game, why are you expecting Lavos to have a non-safe role claim? Mafia last game had double voting ability, as well as other "often seen as town" abilities. Hell you were willing to lynch chibo in ff6 because his ability could be scums.
2. You believe that converted spawns keep their powers. It would be flippan fantastic if they did (sarcasm), but why are you sure? Adum implied the opposite, and I questioned him because I assumed they kept their powers. He stated "generally" mafia recruitees lose their powers. Why do you think the opposite is feasible?
If you believe spawns keep their powers why are you "happy" with Rajam or DMG?
Remember it was DMG who stated "Robo is town". Have you gone through day 2 properly?
3. If you were aware of the existence of spawns day 1, why didn't you state so? Joel not divulging (early) is seen as one of the most anti-town things done in the game thus far. If you are immune to conversions (or even NIGHT ABILITIES IN GENERAL???) why were you afraid to reveal this information? I really don't see how your day 1 actions give any sort of idea that what you've said today is true, hell I would feel it points to the opposite. If your winning requirements are so "pro-town" then what is your excuse. You've said you know so much about mafia recruiters and mafia in general that there would be no way you would be "unaware" of what "spawn" means like joel claims, right?
You've stated you don't like myself, adum, pierce or edrees. I'm assuming you don't like adum because he believes me? Pierce because of (well, I HOPE YOU READ DAY 2) everything yesterday and his "odd" ability / you saying one of his statements is "sure-fire" scum? Now what is your issue with edrees? He hasn't claimed yet, for one, and his arguments today have been weak. But I wouldn't even know what you think considering all you're saying is a list of people you don't like without any insight/metagaming and disregard anything that implies you are suspicious instantaneously.
What are your thoughts on time travel today Omni?
If you believe lavos spawns keep their abilities, I'm sure you aren't willing to risk going to 2300AD, right? Are you aware of what Rajam's claimed ability is?
Whether or not you believe I'm lavos / a spawn, if we go to 600 AD I can tell you first thing tomorrow what was the result of any player you choose. If a player keeps their abilities after being spawned, my ability is somewhat useless (unless they gain new obvious abilities after being spawned); or I can check that someone like Rajam or DMG weren't lying (perhaps either/or have abilities they didn't reveal?).
Another thing about day 1 is that you wanted to go to 600AD. Both scamp and yourself did and to avoid making an obvious connection between you two agreed to Pierce's "plan"; we assumed scamp would be okay with it too, but he refused. I'm wondering if you've told us of all of your abilities - if Pierce is telling the truth (and it would seem at least one of his abilities is the truth - unless there IS a role blocker) then I will not be able to tell if he has another ability or not. Are you saying that I wouldn't be able to use my ability on you/scamp either to confirm whether or not you are hiding something?
Over all I don't like the inconsistency of your play, especially that it's possible you are leading us to death (hurr you have generic "survive" independent win condition and there are 3 current scum, it is a lot easier under those conditions to win through just one town lynch). Your revival also wasn't questioned - do you know why you were revived?
1. This is an "Overswarm" mafia game, why are you expecting Lavos to have a non-safe role claim? Mafia last game had double voting ability, as well as other "often seen as town" abilities. Hell you were willing to lynch chibo in ff6 because his ability could be scums.
2. You believe that converted spawns keep their powers. It would be flippan fantastic if they did (sarcasm), but why are you sure? Adum implied the opposite, and I questioned him because I assumed they kept their powers. He stated "generally" mafia recruitees lose their powers. Why do you think the opposite is feasible?
If you believe spawns keep their powers why are you "happy" with Rajam or DMG?
Remember it was DMG who stated "Robo is town". Have you gone through day 2 properly?
3. If you were aware of the existence of spawns day 1, why didn't you state so? Joel not divulging (early) is seen as one of the most anti-town things done in the game thus far. If you are immune to conversions (or even NIGHT ABILITIES IN GENERAL???) why were you afraid to reveal this information? I really don't see how your day 1 actions give any sort of idea that what you've said today is true, hell I would feel it points to the opposite. If your winning requirements are so "pro-town" then what is your excuse. You've said you know so much about mafia recruiters and mafia in general that there would be no way you would be "unaware" of what "spawn" means like joel claims, right?
So in other words you're saying, "if we're scum you're screwed", so "listen to everything we say and be lead like sheep because you have no alternative"?
You've stated you don't like myself, adum, pierce or edrees. I'm assuming you don't like adum because he believes me? Pierce because of (well, I HOPE YOU READ DAY 2) everything yesterday and his "odd" ability / you saying one of his statements is "sure-fire" scum? Now what is your issue with edrees? He hasn't claimed yet, for one, and his arguments today have been weak. But I wouldn't even know what you think considering all you're saying is a list of people you don't like without any insight/metagaming and disregard anything that implies you are suspicious instantaneously.
What are your thoughts on time travel today Omni?
If you believe lavos spawns keep their abilities, I'm sure you aren't willing to risk going to 2300AD, right? Are you aware of what Rajam's claimed ability is?
Whether or not you believe I'm lavos / a spawn, if we go to 600 AD I can tell you first thing tomorrow what was the result of any player you choose. If a player keeps their abilities after being spawned, my ability is somewhat useless (unless they gain new obvious abilities after being spawned); or I can check that someone like Rajam or DMG weren't lying (perhaps either/or have abilities they didn't reveal?).
Another thing about day 1 is that you wanted to go to 600AD. Both scamp and yourself did and to avoid making an obvious connection between you two agreed to Pierce's "plan"; we assumed scamp would be okay with it too, but he refused. I'm wondering if you've told us of all of your abilities - if Pierce is telling the truth (and it would seem at least one of his abilities is the truth - unless there IS a role blocker) then I will not be able to tell if he has another ability or not. Are you saying that I wouldn't be able to use my ability on you/scamp either to confirm whether or not you are hiding something?
Over all I don't like the inconsistency of your play, especially that it's possible you are leading us to death (hurr you have generic "survive" independent win condition and there are 3 current scum, it is a lot easier under those conditions to win through just one town lynch). Your revival also wasn't questioned - do you know why you were revived?
adumbrodeus
Smash Legend
Actually, it's not.
I have a night ability which specifically states that it works on lavos. If Pierce was Lavos, the ability would have to work on him.
Pierce is not lavos, and his night action immunity means he couldn't have been recruited, so there's only one scum position left for him, the recruiter (assuming said recruiter exists).
For the same reason as you were talking about flavor so much first game day.
Flavor is more then just flavor in the game, it's built based around flavor, therefore, one of the main characters being a safe-claim... I think not. We have 6 main character.
I think that's why OS used culting, that way we can't break the game via mass-claiming, though finding lavos that way is a different story.
As far as my flavor name, I breadcrumbed it before but...
Hello, I'm Magus, nice to meet you all.
@Shaya, his play strikes me as consistent with being an independant, it was anti-town on Joel's part to not say it, but Omni and Scamp don't win with the town, therefore they have an interest in staying alive above and beyond.
Rajam
Smash Champion
Magus is a hero? I haven't played CT in a long time so I don't remember some things... I always thought he was a boss or something like that
@ Shaya: I can agree going to 600 AD... We still have to find Chrono's Doll. Why did you pick that time anyways?
@ Omni: idk about Lavos having a safe role claim. At most I'd say he has a random character safe claim (like being Nu or Gato...), but in the worst scenario, if he has a hero character safe claim, who do you think is the most fake claim among heroes? joel's claim seems clean, but claiming doctor is a double-edge strategy fot Mafia; if the real doctor remains in silence, it's hard to mass-lynch the claiming doctor; if the real doctor claims, he's dead next Night. Pierce ability seems scummy, and adumbrodeus saying Pierce is not Lavos is something to analyze in deep. If adum is telling the truth, Pierce at least is clean of being Lavos; if adum is lying, then most likely Pierce and adum are Mafia partners. DMG is playing poor, I believe his Lucca claim is truth though I'm not so sure anymore if he is spawn or not. Ayla and Chrono are dead. I'm Robo and you along with the other players have to analyze if my claim is truth and if I'm still town. Of course I claim being Robo and not being town atm.
Even if there are safe claims, I'd like to know what Edreeses claim is
@ Shaya: I can agree going to 600 AD... We still have to find Chrono's Doll. Why did you pick that time anyways?
@ Omni: idk about Lavos having a safe role claim. At most I'd say he has a random character safe claim (like being Nu or Gato...), but in the worst scenario, if he has a hero character safe claim, who do you think is the most fake claim among heroes? joel's claim seems clean, but claiming doctor is a double-edge strategy fot Mafia; if the real doctor remains in silence, it's hard to mass-lynch the claiming doctor; if the real doctor claims, he's dead next Night. Pierce ability seems scummy, and adumbrodeus saying Pierce is not Lavos is something to analyze in deep. If adum is telling the truth, Pierce at least is clean of being Lavos; if adum is lying, then most likely Pierce and adum are Mafia partners. DMG is playing poor, I believe his Lucca claim is truth though I'm not so sure anymore if he is spawn or not. Ayla and Chrono are dead. I'm Robo and you along with the other players have to analyze if my claim is truth and if I'm still town. Of course I claim being Robo and not being town atm.
Even if there are safe claims, I'd like to know what Edreeses claim is
Rajam
Smash Champion
EDIT: Of course I claim being Robo and not being spawn atm.
Red Arremer
Smash Legend
In the game Magus originally is a bad guy, but he turns out to actually work for the same cause as the heroes and is able to be recruited.
i hope u arent asking questions just for the sake of asking. most of these u can answer yourself:
I wanted to lynch Chibo for the combination of his poor play and his power. Since it was impossible to tell if he was scum/town and he was pretty useless he was someone not worth having alive especially in lylo.
I never stated my requirement was pro-town; rather that it just doesn't conflict. One thing's for sure: our winning requirement is the least of your worries compared to another faction who's winning condition is to outnumber town.
And I have no idea what your last question means. Rephrase it.
Again, people trying to prove themselves townie through the use of their roles/powers doesn't work ESPECIALLY in this game.
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THIS IS THE BIGGEST NO-NO ABOUT YOUR ENTIRE POST SHAYA
Why in the world would you be questioning a claimed and confirmed Independent Mason when our main goal should be focusing on finding LAVOS or SCUM? You already know our identities yet you're applying needless (and somewhat mindless) pressure on INDYS as opposed to other potential players who could be scum/lavos?
FoS: Shaya
My only guess as to why you're still not scumhunting (looking for Lavos/spawn) is because you're mafia attempting to push town doubt on the indy.
Did I ask you this already? Who do you think is scum, Shaya? Can you give me an answer that isn't entirely dependent on flavor/claims?
How experienced are you? A double voting ability is not "often seen as town". I've been in many Mafia games where scum had the power to double vote. In terms of a claim being "safe" as I said earlier it's based on the relation with that ROLE AND NAME. It doesn't make sense for Marle to be a double voter. Also, if scum (Lavos) claims a role that another townie already has (because his current role doesn't match his character) a CC situation occurs and we normally narrow a lynch to 50/50.
I wanted to lynch Chibo for the combination of his poor play and his power. Since it was impossible to tell if he was scum/town and he was pretty useless he was someone not worth having alive especially in lylo.
I assume WORST case scenario. I never said I was sure. Don't skim, Shaya, and don't ask questions for the sake of asking.
My "happy" has nothing to do with people's claims unlike the rest of you. My basis have always been based on who I feel is the scummiest based on their gameplay. Btw, happy means I'm fine with them being alive aka as I said I like them. If you misinterpreted "like" with "happy to lynch" then =/.
Think, Shaya. Why would someone who is IMMUNE to a certain night ability NOT disclose to everyone (one who consist of Lavos) the possibility of mafia recruiting and the ability to evade it? Hm?
I never stated my requirement was pro-town; rather that it just doesn't conflict. One thing's for sure: our winning requirement is the least of your worries compared to another faction who's winning condition is to outnumber town.
And I have no idea what your last question means. Rephrase it.
No. You seem to take a lot of what I've been saying and putting it in the negative limelight. I'm saying if Scamp and I were scum then the game would be over toDay or toMorrow considering recruiting 2 mafia recruits instead of 1 in one night would be a huge conversion.
Wrong. I've been giving my insight on players the entire game. More importantly, my insight has been based off your play and NOT your roles/claims/assumptions like everyone else.
Not thinking about time travel at the moment. I'm thinking about figuring out who scum is. Time travel talk will just lead us down another path of assumptions and game mechanics talk that doesn't help us at all at pegging scum.
Uh, no. I just said worst case scenario spawn keeps their powers. Therefore just because you can use your ability at night and confirm tomorrow that you have it does not mean you are cleared. More importantly, what's to stop Lavos from recruiting you toNight if you haven't already been recruited? Everything about this statement is wrong and doesn't help yourself or us in the least bit as a test to find you clear.
Again, people trying to prove themselves townie through the use of their roles/powers doesn't work ESPECIALLY in this game.
I've already stated there's one thing we're hiding and that's the condition of our revive/not dying. It's in our interest and town's interest for scum not to know how to kill us.
I'm currently leading you guys down the path of "stfu about roles/power and play mafia". You lean on relying on roles/claims too much and you're going to get burned. Our revival was questioned and answered.
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THIS IS THE BIGGEST NO-NO ABOUT YOUR ENTIRE POST SHAYA
Why in the world would you be questioning a claimed and confirmed Independent Mason when our main goal should be focusing on finding LAVOS or SCUM? You already know our identities yet you're applying needless (and somewhat mindless) pressure on INDYS as opposed to other potential players who could be scum/lavos?
FoS: Shaya
My only guess as to why you're still not scumhunting (looking for Lavos/spawn) is because you're mafia attempting to push town doubt on the indy.
Did I ask you this already? Who do you think is scum, Shaya? Can you give me an answer that isn't entirely dependent on flavor/claims?
1.) Scum can get ridiculous claims. I've been in a FF7 game where Cloud wasn't town. Just don't assume that scum have "weird" name claims. It could be ANYTHING; a main character, a side character, a random nobody. Assume the worst that Lavos just has a name claim and it could be anyone.
.joel, do you mind not jumping in only to answer questions?
It's a scum tactic to only contribute when someone asks a question whether it's directed to you or the entire game without actively scumhunting. To my knowledge you haven't been so keen to that job as opposed to just defending yourself from that lynch you made on Chibo.
Compared to the rest of the case I'm still more comfortable with you simply due to the nature of your post.
You're still working under the pretense that we believe your claim. You can't confirm this with us therefore stop using it to appear town.
I'll ask you again. Who do you think is scum and why? And DO NOT base this answer on flavor/game mechanics. For the umpteenth time making lynch choices based purely on game mechanics at this point is meaningless.
Red Arremer
Smash Legend
Alright...
1. Adumbrodeus
I think he's town, though he might be spawn if getting the voteblock is the first act of getting turned into spawn. I'm not sure on him.
4. DMG
Very inactive, but I don't think he's scum.
6. EdreesesPieces
I'm very cautious about him. He was the reason I (accidentally) hammered Chibo, and he also is one of those people who tried to toss in seeds of distrust between town and the indie masons.
7. Shaya
I think Omni's point that Shaya continues ragging on the indies is a strong hint. He seems to try to distract town from the indies similarly to what Edrees that a bit earlier. So I'm gonna go ahead and think that Edrees and Shaya are probably working together somehow since they have been kindasorta working together a lot.
9. Rajam
Liking him very much.
11. Pierce7D
Not sure, he's extremely inactive the last few days.
1. Adumbrodeus
I think he's town, though he might be spawn if getting the voteblock is the first act of getting turned into spawn. I'm not sure on him.
4. DMG
Very inactive, but I don't think he's scum.
6. EdreesesPieces
I'm very cautious about him. He was the reason I (accidentally) hammered Chibo, and he also is one of those people who tried to toss in seeds of distrust between town and the indie masons.
7. Shaya
I think Omni's point that Shaya continues ragging on the indies is a strong hint. He seems to try to distract town from the indies similarly to what Edrees that a bit earlier. So I'm gonna go ahead and think that Edrees and Shaya are probably working together somehow since they have been kindasorta working together a lot.
9. Rajam
Liking him very much.
11. Pierce7D
Not sure, he's extremely inactive the last few days.
Red Arremer
Smash Legend
ack... fingers were faster than brain, sorry.
The line about Edrees & Shaya was supposed to look like this:
I'm gonna go ahead and say that I think that Edrees and Shaya are probably working together in some way, since they have been using similar tactics and statements in the past.
The line about Edrees & Shaya was supposed to look like this:
I'm gonna go ahead and say that I think that Edrees and Shaya are probably working together in some way, since they have been using similar tactics and statements in the past.
I think Pierce, Shaya, and possibly Joel are scum. I think Adumbrodeus and Rajam are town. DMG has been REALLY quiet though, I would not be surprised if he was recruited last night. Shaya i've been suspicious of throughout the game, Pierce I find his ability unsettling, and his silence, while understandable and with genuine reasons, feels fishy. Joel I will explain right now why I think is scum through my claim. Omni and Scamp, are probably not scum, but I still consider them threats. That's how I feel currently.
I am Schala, town spawn hunter. Adumbrodeus, nice to meet you my brother, lol.
Each night i can target any player. If they are lavos spawn they will be killed. my ability may fail for specific reasons, but also if my target is not lavos spawn, the target will be penalized by not being able to vote.
Now. JOEL. THIS IS the reason why i'm suspicious of you. I never targeted you AT ALL so why can't you vote? Are you lying? Or did someone out there vote block you? the only person that could possibly be is adumbrodeus since nobody else claimed such an ability. If nobody claims they can voteblock, why the heck can't Joel vote? Either someone needs to clarify that they targeted Joel with voteblock, or scum did it, or Joel can indeed vote.
Night 1- I targeted adumbrodeus. Hence his penalty.
Night 2- I targeted shaya - hence his penalty.
Note that all this means is Adumbrodeus was not Lavos Spawn on Day 1, and Shaya was not Lavos Spawn on Day 2. They could both technically still be Lavos or have been recruited to Lavos spawn any night after I targeted them.
I am unsure of the "specific reasons" noted, but I suspect its things like targeting frog who is immune to night actions. I can't know for sure but that's probably the kind of thing the role is talking about.
I am Schala, town spawn hunter. Adumbrodeus, nice to meet you my brother, lol.
Each night i can target any player. If they are lavos spawn they will be killed. my ability may fail for specific reasons, but also if my target is not lavos spawn, the target will be penalized by not being able to vote.
Now. JOEL. THIS IS the reason why i'm suspicious of you. I never targeted you AT ALL so why can't you vote? Are you lying? Or did someone out there vote block you? the only person that could possibly be is adumbrodeus since nobody else claimed such an ability. If nobody claims they can voteblock, why the heck can't Joel vote? Either someone needs to clarify that they targeted Joel with voteblock, or scum did it, or Joel can indeed vote.
Night 1- I targeted adumbrodeus. Hence his penalty.
Night 2- I targeted shaya - hence his penalty.
Note that all this means is Adumbrodeus was not Lavos Spawn on Day 1, and Shaya was not Lavos Spawn on Day 2. They could both technically still be Lavos or have been recruited to Lavos spawn any night after I targeted them.
I am unsure of the "specific reasons" noted, but I suspect its things like targeting frog who is immune to night actions. I can't know for sure but that's probably the kind of thing the role is talking about.
Red Arremer
Smash Legend
I CANNOT vote. Absolutely not. If you don't believe me, I AM willing to commit suicide by voting.
Then whoever vote blocked you needs to speak up. No, I believe you, but someone out there did it and definitely knows something. The other ones were me.
Rajam
Smash Champion
How can you believe Pierce is scum and adum town? that combination is mostly impossible after what adumbrodeus said
Rajam
Smash Champion
Also Edreeses, what happen if you target Lavos?
Rajam
Smash Champion
Finally: Edreeses, what you've just said implies you knew from the beginning too about the spawns issue. Why didn't you said anything earlier?
Rajam, Adumbrodeus' post implied the only scum Pierce could be is the recruiter. That was most definitely not ruled out.
I don't know what happens if I target Lavos. He will probably just get vote blocked. My ability states if the target is Lavos spawn they will die, so lavos WONT die, but as for whether he will be immune or get vote blocked, I don't know.
I didn't bring it up because I was afraid of being targeted by mafia. I felt like my ability is really powerful, especially because I didn't know it was a recruitment game. I see myself as a town vig who can't kill towns, only penalize them to not vote. Then when Joel brought it up, I felt there was no longer need to.
I don't know what happens if I target Lavos. He will probably just get vote blocked. My ability states if the target is Lavos spawn they will die, so lavos WONT die, but as for whether he will be immune or get vote blocked, I don't know.
I didn't bring it up because I was afraid of being targeted by mafia. I felt like my ability is really powerful, especially because I didn't know it was a recruitment game. I see myself as a town vig who can't kill towns, only penalize them to not vote. Then when Joel brought it up, I felt there was no longer need to.
I didn't write that post to "distract us" in the sense that Omni is accusing me of. There's 9 of us and [probably] there are 4 of us who aren't going to be voting for either Omni/Scamp. They aren't going to die today, and I'm well aware of that (because what they have pointed out about this being lylo is definitely possible).
I wrote that all up because ever since Omni came back the rest of the players have been ... mostly quiet ... and mostly sitting back and letting you set the entire pace of today. No one else is really scum hunting either, didn't you notice? Scum can either blend by sitting back and let you be "helpful" purely because rest of the players are being quiet as well. I would prefer the rest of the town players that exist to actually contribute so it becomes easier to pick out scum. I find it odd that the players you list who are trustworthy are the ones that have very little contributions today at all (Joel being somewhat of an exception). I agree I put a negative light on you/scamp, but your reply is doing the same to me, I should have been more blunt in that previous post, but I hope you see where I'm coming from.
Not only would have revealing that this is a recruitment game day 1 changed how things were going, but you would have gained my near-complete trust for today as you would have been confirmed non-mafia (as in both of you dying and not flipping). In other words my point was you didn't need to reveal your roles/goles, but either of you individually could have revealed the type of game we're in. I'm still not sure why you wouldn't?
I've said my piece on Pierce. He seems to be immune to night actions. No one is "okay" with everything he does like it would seem the case yesterday. Yesterday he did proclaim to the doc not to try to night save him twice though, which is odd.
I've obviously not liked edrees tunnelling me the entire game (and he's left revealing his role this late..). Unless he's lying it leaves the question as to why joel can't vote today. Bad omen for me that he apparently targeted me last night. Unless someone has an ability that copies, reflects, or otherwise (and at this point I can only think it's one person, unless someone who claimed thus far is hiding an ability) it puts joel and myself at a 50/50 for who is lying. An edrees lynch could prove a few things.
Joel... well aside from his willingness to die (something people were hounding adum for FF6) contributing to his certified anti-town resume... You either have edrees as a basis for joel's suspiciousness, or you think his play is scummy. Joel got away with a lot last game as mafia due to explaining himself through coincidence. But without his reveal of it being a recruiting game day 2 who'd know where/what we'd be doing; and it most likely never benefited mafia for that to be known (hence my nuance on you day 1 omni).
DMG could be getting away with a lot by just being quiet (he's three fold as quiet as anyone else). DMG I think has posted ONCE maybe twice today. Rajam has made "non-scummy" posts throughout the day. I bunch them together because DMG's "safe claiming" rajam yesterday had set up an obvious link between them.
I wrote that all up because ever since Omni came back the rest of the players have been ... mostly quiet ... and mostly sitting back and letting you set the entire pace of today. No one else is really scum hunting either, didn't you notice? Scum can either blend by sitting back and let you be "helpful" purely because rest of the players are being quiet as well. I would prefer the rest of the town players that exist to actually contribute so it becomes easier to pick out scum. I find it odd that the players you list who are trustworthy are the ones that have very little contributions today at all (Joel being somewhat of an exception). I agree I put a negative light on you/scamp, but your reply is doing the same to me, I should have been more blunt in that previous post, but I hope you see where I'm coming from.
Err... if your win condition is NOT "kill all lavos spawns", then how are we meant to confirm whether you really are aiming for that goal when if you have anything similar to generic indy requirements you'll win if a towny is lynched today. I can understand you not divulging your revival condition no matter your winning conditions.
Last muffle question + ^ related. I was pointing out that (I'm well aware you wouldn't want people being aware you were indy/mason/etc) why wouldn't you out-right reveal to town that this a recruiting game? Your day 1 pressuring strategy (at least most likely, I'd need to double check if you disagreed) included assuming normal mafia situation.
Not only would have revealing that this is a recruitment game day 1 changed how things were going, but you would have gained my near-complete trust for today as you would have been confirmed non-mafia (as in both of you dying and not flipping). In other words my point was you didn't need to reveal your roles/goles, but either of you individually could have revealed the type of game we're in. I'm still not sure why you wouldn't?
I've been questioning people leading town all along Omni. I can't vote, but I agree that doesn't stop me from scum hunting.
I've said my piece on Pierce. He seems to be immune to night actions. No one is "okay" with everything he does like it would seem the case yesterday. Yesterday he did proclaim to the doc not to try to night save him twice though, which is odd.
I've obviously not liked edrees tunnelling me the entire game (and he's left revealing his role this late..). Unless he's lying it leaves the question as to why joel can't vote today. Bad omen for me that he apparently targeted me last night. Unless someone has an ability that copies, reflects, or otherwise (and at this point I can only think it's one person, unless someone who claimed thus far is hiding an ability) it puts joel and myself at a 50/50 for who is lying. An edrees lynch could prove a few things.
Joel... well aside from his willingness to die (something people were hounding adum for FF6) contributing to his certified anti-town resume... You either have edrees as a basis for joel's suspiciousness, or you think his play is scummy. Joel got away with a lot last game as mafia due to explaining himself through coincidence. But without his reveal of it being a recruiting game day 2 who'd know where/what we'd be doing; and it most likely never benefited mafia for that to be known (hence my nuance on you day 1 omni).
DMG could be getting away with a lot by just being quiet (he's three fold as quiet as anyone else). DMG I think has posted ONCE maybe twice today. Rajam has made "non-scummy" posts throughout the day. I bunch them together because DMG's "safe claiming" rajam yesterday had set up an obvious link between them.
Kinda ninja'd by DMG there, he posted!
@DMG
My ability if the time period I guess the previous night is picked the next day.
@Rajam
I picked 600AD again because:
1. Prehistoric was visited already.
2. We had gone to 1000AD again (staying here would be a good idea if joel was 100% confirmed town, as he said his ability can "save" 2 people in 1000AD, but of course I didn't know that so -.-)
3. You had claimed 2300AD as the double voter/triple time voter. Assuming there were 3 scum the chances of them "freely" letting us go there would be nil, and if recruits retain their powers (which we don't know) then the rest of the players most likely wouldn't want to go to 23000AD either.
4. There was no specific pick for DMG to time block yesterday, so I somewhat gambled between 600AD / 12000BC.
@DMG
My ability if the time period I guess the previous night is picked the next day.
@Rajam
I picked 600AD again because:
1. Prehistoric was visited already.
2. We had gone to 1000AD again (staying here would be a good idea if joel was 100% confirmed town, as he said his ability can "save" 2 people in 1000AD, but of course I didn't know that so -.-)
3. You had claimed 2300AD as the double voter/triple time voter. Assuming there were 3 scum the chances of them "freely" letting us go there would be nil, and if recruits retain their powers (which we don't know) then the rest of the players most likely wouldn't want to go to 23000AD either.
4. There was no specific pick for DMG to time block yesterday, so I somewhat gambled between 600AD / 12000BC.
You flipped the coin and landed heads I see. Well that works out well IMO. If we go somewhere, 600 AD is probably where we will go. Kinda early to tell, but we will see. Maybe stay here assuming Joel is telling the truth.
Joel: Can you protect yourself? Hopefully so.
Joel: Can you protect yourself? Hopefully so.
Okay, due to this being possibly lylo conditions, I'm going to learn my lesson about keeping my votes on a player when I don't plan to be around. I won't be around much the next 2 days (il try to keep tabs or stop once in awhile), so just in case there's developments I gotta be careful, I'll keep my vote withdrawn.
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