Chrono Trigger Mafia: Omni and Scamp Win! Adumbrodeus wins!

[adumbrodeus]

You misunderstand my intent, you implied it, I'd like you to clarify.

Again, unless I missed said clarification.


Just to be clear, my assessment was correct, your ability did in fact fail?

 

[Shaya]

Correct.

It failed.

 

[Omni]

you and pierce are top 2 for claiming. u already gave your top 2 and answered the questions

now full claim

pierce can come in and answer the questions first before claiming as well

 

[Shaya]

So you want me to full claim before or after Pierce answers his questions?

 

[Shaya]

Well I don't really like how you're speaking ambiguously about everything...
And I pray that you were telling the truth about your victory conditions...

I am Gaspar, Town Time Scanner. (Similar to a town cop)
I pick a person and are told their abilities. To use it again I need to "guess" the time period selected next day.

I am immune to being night killed ONCE. I don't know if that includes being free of a recruitment or not. I was told that mysterious things may occur in End of Time.

 

[Omni]

and what were your supposed results night 1 and night 2

 

[Shaya]

To use it again I need to "guess" the time period selected next day.
It failed night one on Pierce.

We did not go to 600AD for "today". So no night 2 ability use.

 

[Rajam]

Scamp, why didn't you vote at all in Day 1?

Gaspar and his abilities sounds kind of fake lol

 

[Rajam]

Shaya, how does exactly your ability works? At what moment do you do your guess? It's kind of weird you guessed Pre-historic in Day 1, but you couldn't predict we would go back to Present by Day 2

 

[Shaya]

Night 1 I could use my ability.
Night 1 I used my ability on Pierce, it failed.
At the same time (Night 1) I picked a time period that we would travel to the next day (this was 600AD).
Night 1 we weren't informed of anything specific about Crono's resurrection (the Doll thing in particular), and the previous day had several people "interested" in 600AD at least.

Because we didn't go to 600AD, but present instead, I couldn't use my ability night 2.

 

[EdreesesPieces]

what why are u making ******** interpretations from what i just said, edreeses?

They aren't ********. I want to ask everyone else - do you think my assumptions are ********? Rajam, Shaya, DMG, Pierce, etc chime in please.

1.) why do you think that lynching lavos = auto gg? did you not listen to .joel when he said nightkills are in this game and should not be discounted for? just because lavos is gone doesnt mean the spawn (mafia) can continue tricking town into lynching themselves

Like I said already in my post, my assumptions may be wrong about the nightkills. I've acknowledged this. I'm just saying if Lavos spawn cannot recruit or do night kills, which is a decently good possibility, then lynching lavos = gg.

2.) no, our objective is to get rid of the spawn but that does not mean we cannot also get rid of lavos. it would probably be better to get Lavos FIRST so he can stop making spawns so it would be easier on us to win our win condition. again, you are making more silly interpretations/assumptions without really putting much thought into it

No, think about it. If spawns cannot kill or recruit, once Lavos is gone, town is auto gg. I've already stated good reasoning why I don't think spawns can night kill, based on the lack of night kills and the fact that if they could each recruit it'd be a completely broken game. I'm NOT saying this is definitely going to happen, I'm just saying there is a good possibility it can be and for that you are not clear of suspicion. What does everyone think of that conclusion?


My points aren't silly, they are based on some decent reasoning. I'm just letting everyone know the dangers and possibility of independents,

indy are scum in the sense that we are normally liabilities. however, in a recruit game we are far from that when our presence keeps scum from overthrowing the game AND our mission objective somewhat correlates with towns. there's no conflict of interest like you are stating. imo, it seems like you're more interested in getting town to start focusing on us indys and a doc rather than finding lavos itself.

I already stated that we should not target you, just be weary of you trying to lead us or have too much influence on town's direction since your goals have a good possibility of being at odds with ours I already acknowledged that your presence helps a ton against Mafia. How can you accuse me of trying to distract people when all I'm trying to do is keep people aware of the danger you and Scamp could pose in the future? I've directly stated I do not NOT wish to lynch either of you right now because you can be a big help, I just wish to keep the heat on both of you because you can be dangerous. I didn't mean to put so much attention on this, but you are really really trying to convince everyone that you are safe and pose no threat at all and have no chance of ever posing a threat despite your lack of town alignment, and it really bugs me so that's why i'm putting all this effort into keeping town aware.

Well I don't really like how you're speaking ambiguously about everything...
And I pray that you were telling the truth about your victory conditions...

I am Gaspar, Town Time Scanner. (Similar to a town cop)
I pick a person and are told their abilities. To use it again I need to "guess" the time period selected next day.

I am immune to being night killed ONCE. I don't know if that includes being free of a recruitment or not. I was told that mysterious things may occur in End of Time.

Does the language in your PM directly use the word "nightkill?" Also, what time period did you guess we are going into Tomorrow? And what exactly were you told when your ability failed on Pierce? Any reason?

 

[EdreesesPieces]

Night 1 I could use my ability.
Night 1 I used my ability on Pierce, it failed.
At the same time (Night 1) I picked a time period that we would travel to the next day (this was 600AD).
Night 1 we weren't informed of anything specific about Crono's resurrection (the Doll thing in particular), and the previous day had several people "interested" in 600AD at least.

Because we didn't go to 600AD, but present instead, I couldn't use my ability night 2.

So essentially you are saying

Day 1: 1000 AD. Ability is allowed to be used be default no matter what time period we ended up voting.
Night 1: Ability used, guess for next day sent as 600AD.
Day 2: We voted to go to Present so ur ability was locked for Night 2.

What bugs me is why by default your ability would be allowed to be used without requiring you to properly guess we'd go to prehistoric.

 

[Shaya]

Does the language in your PM directly use the word "nightkill?" Also, what time period did you guess we are going into Tomorrow? And what exactly were you told when your ability failed on Pierce? Any reason?

These feel like empty questions... but not "nightkill" but "night kill".

Is it the best idea I reveal my time period for tomorrow? Even though scum would most likely avoid going there under the circumstances...

"Your ability failed" in those words (I wonder if I'm getting close to that no-quote rule :|). No reason. I would have thought that it was obvious I have no known reason why from what I've said thus far.

What bugs me is why by default your ability would be allowed to be used without requiring you to properly guess we'd go to prehistoric.

Feel my anger at what feels like me answering the same questions again and again.
You have an ability called X, which at night time allows you to do Y. After use you lose the ability.
Once per night you may do Z to get X ability back for the next night.

Edrees, feeling your questions have somewhat obvious answers and I wouldn't be surprised if your thinking is tunnelled like yesterday too. Why haven't you ever turned an eye towards Pierce at all? You may have been eyeing me the entire game thus far, but your arguments seem to have gotten weaker.

Why is Pierce inactive here but has been active elsewhere on the boards?

How do we know that either Omni or Scamp weren't recruited last night by Lavos? As they both "die" together, what stops them from being recruited together? Omni's extreme controlling attitude in this situation when he's a confirmed independent with an unconfirmed win condition (and going by flavour [I know, its bad] what did the masamune have ANYTHING to do with Lavos or spawns; It was all related to Magus) annoys me. No one else has input on anything, the rest of the players have gone pretty quiet now. What a dreary game this has become.

 

[Rajam]

No, think about it. If spawns cannot kill or recruit, once Lavos is gone, town is auto gg. I've already stated good reasoning why I don't think spawns can night kill, based on the lack of night kills and the fact that if they could each recruit it'd be a completely broken game. I'm NOT saying this is definitely going to happen, I'm just saying there is a good possibility it can be and for that you are not clear of suspicion. What does everyone think of that conclusion?

Even if we kill Lavos, is not auto gg, since we have no idea who are Lavos spawn. They still could mess with us and provoke some stupid lynchs if they can't nightkill or don't have any ability whatsoever. I agree though that Killing Lavos is more important than killing Lavos' spawns.

I also believe adumbrodeous and .joel are spawns, and that Scamp was a spawn. Why? Well, just flavor, but I believe that because Scamp didn't vote at all Day 1 (so it's possible he was the original Lavos Spawn, his death was also kind of weird when Omni died), adumbrodeus Day 2, and toDay is .joel. again, flavor, but is all I got. Adumbrodeus said that would be stupid since it would make spawns really obvious, but I still see some sense in town wasting days in lynching spawns while Lavos create others remaining hidden.

 

[Rajam]

More flavor:

Can Lavos spawns be healed? does someone know anything? Maybe going to the time of the infected people would heal them (Like if Frog is infected, going to 600 AD would heal him?)

 

[Red Arremer]

I never got any information on being a spawn, and neither did Shaya, who also is not able to vote today.

 

[adumbrodeus]

Where the **** is Pierce?



Rajam, we have 2 people unable to vote today, if we have a cult that can recruit 2 people per night, we're screwed, period.


But here's the real thing, if we need to take out lavos first, the people who are unable to vote tell us who NOT to vote for.



@Everyone:

1. Still waiting on a complete votecount, I wanna see who can't vote.


Be careful though, if there was a recruitment each night, we've got 3 people culted.

 

[Overswarm]

Vote Count

Shaya (1)- Edrees
Pierce (1)- Rajam


12,000 BC is locked and you may not vote for it

Time Periods:
(no votes)

Not voting:
Adumbrodeus, .joel, DMG, Shaya, Pierce7D, ,Omni, Scamp

A deadline has been set for Monday, May 14th, at 3:00 p.m. EST
With 9 players remaining, it takes 5 to lynch!

 

[EdreesesPieces]

Can Pierce be prodded? Seriously, it's Wednesday, MLG ended awhile ago. He was playing such a good game the week before.

Shaya - Don't be silly, I didn't mean the syntax, I meant, did it say you can't be attacked at night, or hurt, or did it literally say nightkill? Also my questions aren't pointless, I'm just checking for inconsistencies in your answers more so than the answers themselves. I kinda did the same to joe and rajam after their claims

I'm not hassling pierce because he isn't posting. I've been repeatedly mentioning that he needs to hurry up and post so we can possibly get a claim out of him or at least an explanation/his take on your supposed ability failing on him.

 

[Overswarm]

Can Pierce be prodded? Seriously, it's Wednesday, MLG ended awhile ago. He was playing such a good game the week before.

Pierce was prodded earlier today.

 

[Omni]

this game will move faster once Pierce full claims and answers the questions that everyone else answered

 

[Scamp]

Scamp, why didn't you vote at all in Day 1?

Gaspar and his abilities sounds kind of fake lol

Mainly because there wasn't any pressure on me day 1 to do so.

I didn't have any solid reads or gut feelings on who was mafia. Because there wasn't any need for me to stick my neck out and a bandwagon isn't required to lynch someone in this game, I didn't see a reason to vote.

 

[EdreesesPieces]

Just like in the NBA finals, Pierce has dissapeared (zing)

 

[Pierce7d]

My fault guys. I'm really sorry for holding up the game. I'm going to reply with a full explination of both why I took so long, and my in game answers

 

[Pierce7d]

First off, the reason it took me so long to reply is that I have a huge load of school work to get done. I was trying to let this previously get in the way of activity, but after MLG, everything came catching up to me. Additionally, I'm in a performance at my school on Friday. I was finally made aware of what we were performing YESTERDAY. I just got home from a rehearsal, and I was at a rehearsal all day yesterday. My life is stupid right now.

 

[Pierce7d]

Now for the important stuff

FOS: Shaya
FOS: Adumbrodeus

The reason your abilities were blocked is because I am Frog, the hero. Now, I'm in a large predicament right now, because there is no possible way of proving I am who I say I am. I don't have an active ability, merely a passive one which prevents me from being targetted by night actions. However, I do have evidence to back up what I'm saying.

YesterDay, I played aggressively, knowing that I couldn't be targeted by enemy actions. I will continue to play more aggressively than ever. So far, there have been no night kills. I cannot be targetted by any ability, which means it's unlikely for me to able to be turned into a spawn (though I'm not 100% sure how the spawn ability works, and if it doesn't target me specifically, it will succeed.) This is exactly the reason I said not to visit me in the night, because Cop and Doc have better things to do than to get their ability negated on me.

I do not thing that Mafia is unable to night kill. Consider this: Why would Chrono have an anti-kill ability if he cannot use it on Mafia?

I'm super frustrated with town play atm. Chibo lets himself get lynched before claiming in his most clutch time period, Rajam has us heavily suspect him for a long period of time, though his play is great now, and I hope to play another game with him. Town LYNCHES Chibo (wtf), etc.

Anyone who has a brain would realize that if you claimed with a truly important ability, the Doc would cover you. .joel, why the HELL would you claim? Doc is the number one role to keep hidden, because once you're gone, NO ONE IS SAFE. Especially if you're able to sometimes protect two people a night, Doc is broken in this game.

Interesting note: Most of the other main characters seem to have natural abilities, and then bolstered abilities in their respective time zone. However, I am Frog, and I do not have any bolstered ability in 600A.D.. Perhaps this is because my only ability is passive.

I have more to say, but I'd like someone who's a bit more organized than me right now to get a list of all the people who have claimed, or have known abilities, including dead people.

 

[gallax]

/in mafia

this ought to be fun

 

[Overswarm]

/in mafia

this ought to be fun

You are late to the party.

This game has already started, and can't have any more players added. Don't worry though! There will be another one.

 

[gallax]

yeah i know its begun lol. i did it so that u know im in for the next one!

 

[Rajam]

unvote

Figuring out things

 

[Rajam]

Just to point out:

Unclaimed Roles:
Lavos
Magus (?)

People who haven't claimed:
EdreesesPieces
adumbrodeus

Now if (most possibly?) Edreeses and adumbrodeus are Mafia, why was adumbrodeus unable to vote Day 2?

 

[Rajam]

At this point, Edreeses and adumbrodeus should really claim. A Doctor has already claimed so it isn't like we have to protect his identity, and it seems only Mafia roles are left. I suppose if they don't (and if they don't counterclaim neither), then we could assume they are confirmed Mafia?

 

[adumbrodeus]

Rajam, we've had 2 people claim unable to vote today, it's too many for culting, and why would people claim it if it was tied with spawn.




I'd do an analysis on the vote blocks and see if I can figure out what factions they're tied with in a bit.

Now for the important stuff

FOS: Shaya
FOS: Adumbrodeus

The reason your abilities were blocked is because I am Frog, the hero. Now, I'm in a large predicament right now, because there is no possible way of proving I am who I say I am. I don't have an active ability, merely a passive one which prevents me from being targetted by night actions. However, I do have evidence to back up what I'm saying.

YesterDay, I played aggressively, knowing that I couldn't be targeted by enemy actions. I will continue to play more aggressively than ever. So far, there have been no night kills. I cannot be targetted by any ability, which means it's unlikely for me to able to be turned into a spawn (though I'm not 100% sure how the spawn ability works, and if it doesn't target me specifically, it will succeed.) This is exactly the reason I said not to visit me in the night, because Cop and Doc have better things to do than to get their ability negated on me.

I do not thing that Mafia is unable to night kill. Consider this: Why would Chrono have an anti-kill ability if he cannot use it on Mafia?

I'm super frustrated with town play atm. Chibo lets himself get lynched before claiming in his most clutch time period, Rajam has us heavily suspect him for a long period of time, though his play is great now, and I hope to play another game with him. Town LYNCHES Chibo (wtf), etc.

Anyone who has a brain would realize that if you claimed with a truly important ability, the Doc would cover you. .joel, why the HELL would you claim? Doc is the number one role to keep hidden, because once you're gone, NO ONE IS SAFE. Especially if you're able to sometimes protect two people a night, Doc is broken in this game.

Interesting note: Most of the other main characters seem to have natural abilities, and then bolstered abilities in their respective time zone. However, I am Frog, and I do not have any bolstered ability in 600A.D.. Perhaps this is because my only ability is passive.

I have more to say, but I'd like someone who's a bit more organized than me right now to get a list of all the people who have claimed, or have known abilities, including dead people.

Ok, then why the FoS?


Your ability is extremely powerful then, you can only get endgamed.


Day 1 you were quite suspicious, hence two night actions aimed at you.


Also, this makes me less suspicious of Shaya.

 

[adumbrodeus]

Rajam, there's still a good possibility of strong remaining power roles, if we give everyone away, we give mafia their pick of who to go after.


Argh, I'll claim if others want me to.

 

[Scamp]

I would really like everyone who claimed not to be able to vote to actually try to vote so we can confirm it.

 

[Pierce7d]

From my understanding Scamp, there is a penalty for them voting.

Also, Rajam, I can be lynched in the day, but I'm town, so this shouldn't happen if I play a good game.

Shaya, all considering, your actions make a bit more sense now.

Lastly, I'm not sure if a night kill is an ability or not, so I might still be able to get killed, and a Doc won't save me.

 

[DMG]

Edrees Imma tooT the horn and make you dance to the Fiddle

IT'S ON SON! HEART OF THE CARDS REVEAL YOURSELF!!!

 

[Omni]

pierce is scum. maybe lavos but most likely recruited

very scummy post

the fact that he fos'd shaya tho worries me cuz i think shaya is scum, too

 

[Shaya]

You never answered the question on why you think you're immune to being scum/recruited last night, btw.

I can prove my ability for tomorrow if we go to the time period I state + doc protects me.

 

[Omni]

proving abilities and **** don't mean anything because of recruitment. claims via character and power don't mean anything. stop fishing for doc protect, shaya, when u could obviously be recruited scum stealing the doc cover. the only thing we deduce from claims is if a person's character matches with the proper claim/ability. the only person that would have an awkward claim is Lavos. he'll have a safe name claim but no safe role claim. everyone else is just a previous townie turned mafia thus their claims will add up.

also, we're (me and scamp)immune in certain scenarios. its obv why i wont say why but if somehow we mislynch toDay and me and scamp were mafia the game would be over through sheer numbers so yea. less worry about us being recruited, more worry about finding lavos and figuring out the best candidates for recruitment

if i were lavos i would have definitely went after pierce since he was a strong town leader. just like i would have went after me Day 1. i also would have went after Shaya because he was never a potential lynch candidate and blended in well. but lavos aint me unfortunately so i can only go off on what i see in people's play

i like .joel
i think i like rajam
not sure about dmg. neutral.
don't like edresses.
don't like pierce.
don't like shaya.
don't like adumbrodeus.