Chrono Trigger Mafia: Omni and Scamp Win! Adumbrodeus wins!

[Rajam]

Rajam CANNOT read obviously.

Joel hammered him, I can't vote remember?

Sorry, your avatars look the same when I'm not looking them directly... my bad again

 

[Rajam]

I wanted to find out what role Shaya was (the person I wanted to claim before me), so I could take his claim and see if it matches up with my findings. If he claimed a roll that doesn't visit people at night, then he would have been scum.

Shaya needs to claim now
So unlucky he is asleep at this time ._.

 

[adumbrodeus]

God Norris = Doctor Insano? Odd thing to confuse.


Regardless, you still haven't answered my question, what don't you like about me?

 

[Rajam]

I didn't like all the attacked-survived-voteblocked around you... how can all those things happen upon the same person at the same time...

But now you're far from my top list. It has severely turned to Shaya, Pierce, .joel

Pierce, did you know Shaya visited you?

 

[CT Chia]

Shaya targeted Pierce for something, I just don't know yet.

He could be the doctor that saved Pierce from a night kill, he could be scum that recruited him, he could have been a roleblocker, etc.

 

[Rajam]

Let's just lynch .joel, the mistake was too stupid for not being intentional

 

[Rajam]

Chibo, you activated your ability at night, right?

 

[Red Arremer]

in the beginning of day 3 i will unveil my character and my role, just as a heads up.

 

[Red Arremer]

Let's just lynch .joel, the mistake was too stupid for not being intentional

then i'm a ****ing moron who can't play this game, whatever.

 

[adumbrodeus]

I didn't like all the attacked-survived-voteblocked around you... how can all those things happen upon the same person at the same time...

Errr, I never said it was more then one thing, it seems to be a vote-blocking ability with that as the attached flavor. The only thing that I'm wondering is whether it had other effects under specific conditions which seems to be suggested by the flavor.


As I said before, I've come across a similar situation before, an investigative ability that if you picked the proper "target" (specifically, a person that the role had to make sure got lynched and be on the bandwagon for) their investigation succeeded. Otherwise the target was roleblocked.

 

[Overswarm]

The first day, Chrono was lynched due to his silence. The second day, an odd asymmetrical approach was taken. Her loud and direct manner of speaking rubbed a few people the wrong way...

ChiboSempai (Ayla, Town Tracker) has been lynched.

The players are now travelling to The Present: 1000 A.D.


There's a surprise waiting for them in the Present when they get there...

Scamp (Masa, Independent twin-mason) and Omni (Mune, Independent Twin-Mason) have been revived!

They are now living players and can be treated as such in terms of Night actions.



NIGHT 2 BEGINS
Get your Night Actions in to me by Friday, at noon (12:00) EST


I'm leaving for MLG this weekend, as are many others. I'm going to leave the game open for the weekend, but don't expect any votecounts unless Marc posts some. As always, I'm lax about activity rules when it comes to the weekend. Just make sure you post something on Monday or make some sort of attempt.

 

[Omni]

 

[Overswarm]

I gave Omni special permission to post that face, just FYI


No one else post at Night! Get those Night Actions in, don't wait til the last minute.

 

[Rajam]

lololololol

 

[Overswarm]

Get your Night Actions in to me by Friday, at noon (12:00) EST

 

[Overswarm]

Time Period: Present 1000 AD

The heroes are back in the present... but no Chrono Doll has been found. They'll have to keep searching if they want to bring Chrono back! With both Chrono and Ayla gone, the hunt for Lavos is more important than ever.

To make things more confusing, Masa and Mune greet the heroes in 1000 AD, completely unharmed. How could this be?

It's all trivial in relation to finding Lavos though.... Lavos is out there. Find him!

12,000 BC is locked and you may not vote for it

DAY 3 BEGINS
A deadline has been set for Monday, May 14th, at 3:00 p.m. EST
With 9 players remaining, it takes 5 to lynch!

 

[Red Arremer]

Alright, so information:
I am Marle, and I am the doctor. I can protect 1 person per night from being killed or being turned into Lavos Spawns, and even 2 of them in a night in 1000 AD.

I cannot vote for people or time periods toDay, so I suffer the same fate as adumbrodeus did on Day 2.

 

[Omni]

Evil smiley face out the way there's a lot that needs to be discussed, but I have to leave for an interview in 15 minutes. A few things:

- Finding the Chrono Doll is imperative.
- Lavos is recruiting through spawns. Their numbers are probably up to 3.
- Claims needs to happen since lylo could be here toDay or toMorrow.

And a lot of other things. Claiming is going to be a pain because recruited players will have a completely safe, matching claim that fits their character so it may not be too effective.

Also, did anyone "get hurt but not die" like adumbrodeus? Guessing that could be an effect from the spawn technique.

Will clarify both Scamp and I's mason/abilities/win condition fully when I get back.

And awesome @ Chibo being dead.

 

[Red Arremer]

@Omni: I did toNight

 

[Shaya]

Yesterday:

I actually disagree, though this depends on whether or not Joel is telling the truth. If he can use his power, he wasn't culted.

How do you know someone who can use their power isn't culted????

As far as passivity goes, you're placing analysis over information, you have expressed suspicions of people, but rather then asking questions and attempt to pressure information out of them. New information is the LIFEBLOOD of town.

The lingering question there is always "why". If something they do turns out to be so suspicious and as I pointed out potentially indicative of being scum, then they either have to explain themselves or potentially face a noose. If you don't think some of the things pierce has done could be scum tells then what do you "consider scum tells" then. As I said yesterday, Pierce is being majority pro-town (didn't exactly say that, but it's what I meant) so lynching him yesterday would be very very unlikely to happen; but no one pointing out the suspicious things could make it extremely easy for him to continue doing what he's doing (which could end up being extremely detrimental to tower) without no one noticing. One of the most annoying things was his decision yesterday to go back to 1000AD saying town agreed, when he only had 2 other supporters. Things like that without scrutiny was STUPID.

Shaya targeted Pierce for something, I just don't know yet.

If it comes down to it I can reveal my role/other information. This has already pointed out I have a PR. Rajam suggested I claim. I won't rush into that unless generally requested to. I will be going to sleep very soon and have work tomorrow, so I will be out of commission for the next 15 hours or so. I believe Pierce, Edrees and others won't be around either due to going to MLG ;\

-

So today...
So we're most likely dealing with 3 scum at this point, and we have 9 players.
3 scum, 2 independents... Game could already be over...

Another thing... like Joel has said, I was "attacked during the night". So I cannot vote/anything today either...
So if we're both telling the truth, two players can be attacked ? (maybe it's like Chibo that in the right time period they get 2 instead of 1...)...

Joel, you've revealed you're Marle and the town doctor. If you're telling us the truth, then would your role "fail" on a spawn? Do you know by any chance? Pierce explicitly stated "don't visit me at night" which is odd...

After yesterday though you're probably on the nerves of many players... Except maybe Omni because you got rid of Chibo. You didn't reveal crucial information early. Ended up hammering chibo... Revealed your role YET we can't even be certain you're still towny (or were towny yesterday), I don't think you're lavos because Marle is one of the heroes (even though its really odd that Edrees literally stated your role name and ability yesterday) and it would be risky to make a claim like that with all of the obvious suspicion you'd be under today...

 

[Shaya]

Also it seems that the Crono doll wasn't found...

 

[adumbrodeus]

Random voting stage to find out who got affected by it.


vote: Joel

 

[Red Arremer]

Perhaps DMG was attacked in the first night along with adumbrodeus. In Night 1, I protected him. In night 2, I protected DMG again and Rajam.

As for Edrees, I have no idea, perhaps he got special information about Marle that she is the doctor.

I also didn't reveal that information about the Lavos Spawns because of EXACTLY what happened toNight: I would have painted a target onto my back and would get attacked (I suspected a kill, tho).

 

[adumbrodeus]

unvote

Yesterday:



How do you know someone who can use their power isn't culted????

They become a lavos spawn... why would they be able to use their power.

It's also standard for cults.

The lingering question there is always "why". If something they do turns out to be so suspicious and as I pointed out potentially indicative of being scum, then they either have to explain themselves or potentially face a noose. If you don't think some of the things pierce has done could be scum tells then what do you "consider scum tells" then. As I said yesterday, Pierce is being majority pro-town (didn't exactly say that, but it's what I meant) so lynching him yesterday would be very very unlikely to happen; but no one pointing out the suspicious things could make it extremely easy for him to continue doing what he's doing (which could end up being extremely detrimental to tower) without no one noticing. One of the most annoying things was his decision yesterday to go back to 1000AD saying town agreed, when he only had 2 other supporters. Things like that without scrutiny was STUPID.

It doesn't have to result in a kill, it could just result in information, and who knows, the end result is that we might essentially confirm Pierce as town or he might fall apart, and we could get a scum confirmation.

So, make your case.

 

[Rajam]

Alright, so information:
I am Marle, and I am the doctor. I can protect 1 person per night from being killed or being turned into Lavos Spawns, and even 2 of them in a night in 1000 AD.

I cannot vote for people or time periods toDay, so I suffer the same fate as adumbrodeus did on Day 2.

Your vote in day 2 was... well, stupid ._. You even did the same in FF6. I'll just put a FOS on you, since claiming to be the doctor is kind of weird ( If you aren't Marle/Doctor, the real Marle/Doctor can't really claim without becoming a prime target for Mafia )

FOS: .joel

Evil smiley face out the way there's a lot that needs to be discussed, but I have to leave for an interview in 15 minutes. A few things:

- Finding the Chrono Doll is imperative.
- Lavos is recruiting through spawns. Their numbers are probably up to 3.
- Claims needs to happen since lylo could be here toDay or toMorrow.

And a lot of other things. Claiming is going to be a pain because recruited players will have a completely safe, matching claim that fits their character so it may not be too effective.

Also, did anyone "get hurt but not die" like adumbrodeus? Guessing that could be an effect from the spawn technique.

Will clarify both Scamp and I's mason/abilities/win condition fully when I get back.

And awesome @ Chibo being dead.

lol at the indies XD They're bad news for Town, but they're even worse news for Mafia. I won't get rid of them, leave them to Mafia

Now, my answers:
- I totally agree. Let's get out of here and find Chrono's Doll. I suggest moving to my time. PoC: Future 2300 AD
- All this Lavos Spawns issue is too strange... idk what strategy to follow if Mafia isn't killing, but instead transforming us into Mafia
- At this point, there've been a lot of claimings and identities revealed. I agree that claiming to be Frog, Lucca, etc isn't proof of being Town anymore HOWEVER mass claiming can give us Lavos, our prime target

Perhaps DMG was attacked in the first night along with adumbrodeus. In Night 1, I protected him. In night 2, I protected DMG again and Rajam.

As for Edrees, I have no idea, perhaps he got special information about Marle that she is the doctor.

I also didn't reveal that information about the Lavos Spawns because of EXACTLY what happened toNight: I would have painted a target onto my back and would get attacked (I suspected a kill, tho).

Yeah, at this point claiming Lucca ( or any heroe ) =/= claiming Town. Nonetheless I believe DMG was Town until end of Day 2 at least, it doesn't make sense he trusting my claim of Robo and saying Robo = 100% Townie and he not being Town. If you protected him, he should be Town this Day too

Btw I had no Night action nor Night 1 neither this previous Night. No OS Communication; nothing.

Just for checking:
vote: .joel
unvote

I'll check Shaya's post (I don't like reading walls of text ._.) and all this Shaya visiting Pierce Nigh 1, and see what can I obtain

 

[Rajam]

Shaya you still haven't explained why you visited Pierce Night 1

 

[DMG]

I was not attacked. I don't think I was role blocked either even though I tried to block a time period (12,000 BC to be exact). IDK if he/OS missed it, if I typed it in wrong (double checked, don't think that is the case), if I was blocked and not notified, etc. All I know is that for whatever reason I was not able to block a period for today.

 

[DMG]

And yes, I know that sounds fishy, but it's true (and kind of irks me since I don't think I made a mistake in typing it or addressing it on time but whatever).

As for why that time period, I didn't think you guys had a consensus of what time period, if any, to block, so I looked at which one based on flavor was most likely to be bad and 12,000 BC stuck out.

 

[Overswarm]

12,000 BC is blocked for voting


My baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad.

 

[DMG]

Don't sweat it. I know you are busy with MLG stuff.

 

[EdreesesPieces]

First of all, I told you guys the Chrono Doll wouldn't be in 1000AD. It wasnt here the first time. I'm not surprised. Choosing a time period based on finding the chrono doll wasn't a good choice. I hope you guys use this as a lesson and vote on time periods on SAFE measures, not random guesses looking for ****. Now that we have some information on abilities and what people can do in certain time periods, we can choose a time period on something other than random guessing finally. However, we know the chrono doll isn't here in 1000AD, and it's probably not in 65 mil bc since we were just there, so we do know to travel to one of the other time periods at the very least.

Second, Joel i'm disappointed in you putting the hammer on Chibo. I put Chibo into l-2 to put him into pressure and make that claim, but I'm dissapointed he's dead, especially because he had such a useful ability. Joel was it REALLY just a mistake because I put my vote on Chibo in the middle of a wall of text? Seems like scum behavior to me. Then again, as scum you might have known it would make you look really scummy to hammer on him like that..so I am unsure what to make of this for now. I was going to vote for you but your claim as Marle, town doctor is huge. Oh and I honestly just GUESSED that Marle is town doctor. I went by flavor, since she is the best healer in Chrono Trigger.

Now we have to find out why Shaya targeted Pierce, as DMG said. I'm pretty suspicious of that, though we have to be careful of revealing any more power roles. You'd think if this is a recruitment game, lavos would recruit the town roles he considered most beneficial to town. That's why I'm kind of worried about mass claims, but I am more open to it then I was the last day now since as Omni said, we are closer to lylo than I had thought.

And most importantly

Omni and Scamp - What's your win condition? Do you need town to be dead? Do you need mafia to be dead? As an independent last game, I needed everyone dead besides myself. I wouldn't be surprised if this is your win condition. What is your ability? We know you aren't town, so speak up. If your win condition needs town to be done, we are definitely enemies.

 

[EdreesesPieces]

Actually I'm pretty suspicious of Joel the more I sit on it. Not sure if I trust this claim..he could be trying to draw the real doctor out.

Vote: Joel

If you want to prove you are doctor, can you answer who you targeted to protect the first 2 nights?

 

[Red Arremer]

i already did, does nobody read my posts? -.-

i protected dmg in night 1
and because night 2 was in 1000 ad, i protected dmg and rajam

 

[EdreesesPieces]

DMG - why'd you choose 12000 BC to block to vote?

 

[EdreesesPieces]

Oh my bad joel, I thought I read everything. Okay...fair enough

Unvote

 

[Red Arremer]

and yes, my vote was REALLY a mistake because of yours sitting in the wall of text, i am completely speaking the truth.

 

[Rajam]

Right now our prime objetive is to know why Shaya visited Pierce at night. If joel's claim is truth, what is Shaya? A role-blocker? It didn't seem Pierce had any restrictions on Day 2; our cop is gone (Ayla), what roles are left?

FOS: Shaya

I'm also expecting what Pierce has to say about Shaya visiting him Night 1. Are they Mafia partners?
FOS: Pierce

I'll try not to cast any vote. If we're at lylo or near lylo, it could happen the same thing that happened in FF6. We also can't trust that indies will help us scum-hunting by now

 

[EdreesesPieces]

I expect answers from both Pierce and Shaya. I'm still most concerned about Omni and Scamp, since they are confirmed NOT to be town, so we NEED to know what their goals are. If their win condition is for town to be dead, something MUST be done about that asap.

the 2nd priority is this situation with pierce and shaya. Shaya, can you find a way to explain to us why you visited pierce without telling us your role? Or give us something rather than what you gave before about waiting to reveal your role and information. And pierce, did you have knowledge that you were visited by Shaya? What do you know?

Vote: Shaya
FoS: Pierce

I'm starting to like Rajam's play a lot.

 

[Omni]

back for a bit again

best way to claim is to everyone give their to 2-3 candidates and have those listed at the top go in ORDER (meaning dont go out of order people). i personally want a full claim from:

1.) Shaya
2.) Edreeses

me and scamp's win condition is exiting the game once all Lavos Spawn are exterminated. which worries me because it implies that Lavos already had a possible spawn from Day 1. anyway, once all of Lavos spawn are gone (it doesnt say Lavos has to be gone) we exit the game with a win.

this is a very dangerous scenario. recruiting means several things:
1.) all name claims are safe
2.) all role claims are safe (since recruited members can be current existing town)

think how would lavos approach the situation. he'd obviously attempt to recruit the players who were furthest from being lynch candidates (i.e. me D1, Shaya, Edreeses). also, being recruited means co-existing townies will have a change of play thus everyone should do a quick reread on the players you find the scummiest

if it wasnt for me and scamp coming back alive mafia could win toDay or toMorrow by simply outnumbering us.

so enough summarizing

obv scum between shaya and edresses imo

also hold on to you ****ing votes considering we have no idea if this could be potential lylo or not

 

[Omni]

i was worried that Shaya would claim Doc. that means that there's a risk of him being lavos recruiter or doc protector. since i believe .joel's doc claim i think that leaves Shaya expendable. he obviously isn't the doc role and he probably isn't the roleblocker role since he wasnt seen visiting adumbrodeus that night

i also am liking rajam's play

and i am surprised that edreeses is voting shaya. i guess that makes me lean toward shaya a bit more at this point

anyway, VERY interested to see where everyone's suspicions lie WITHOUT interference or influence from the rest of the cast. if possible (this will be helpful) can everyone give me:

1.) their top 2 who is scum candidates
2.) their top 2 who should roleclaim first candidates

without saying anything else. the information we get from non-interactive, non-responsive requests like these will be VERY helpful in determining our next step. if we influence the choices by our reactions or responses then scum can easily change their suspicions to lie elsewhere that makes them more comfortable