Chrono Trigger Mafia: Omni and Scamp Win! Adumbrodeus wins!

[CT Chia]

It isn't a popcorn claiming I'm looking for really, it's that I want a claim/information from one other specific player before I have to claim because it's imperative to the information I have (but not like DMG's stuff). But then we're at 4 townies with only 4 more to go so might as well because of all the targets we will have laid out, we would be giving ourselves a better shot at getting Lavos (thinking it's a lone mafia/SK) tonight. Also the theory about Lavos not being able to kill in Pre Historic is still a possibility.

 

[Pierce7d]

wtf, I rather Rajam WHO WE WERE GOING TO LYNCH ANYWAY have a target on his back and mafia kill him, then LYNCH A TOWNIE, THEN HAVE MAFIA KILL ANOTHER TOWNIE.

 

[CT Chia]

Pierce, it's the fact that someone's being forced to claim, then we decide not to lynch him, and naturally then someone else would be forced to claim - whoever falls under suspicion next. In most games where that happens then people decide on the validity of two and the pros and cons and such. Except we're already at 2 claims here and you're wanting a third which is ridiculous.

 

[Rajam]

? what? I didn't understand that

 

[Rajam]

ninja'd

That was @ Pierce

 

[CT Chia]

Not to mention the person you would rather have a target on his back, Rajam, you already said you kind of want to keep the future blocked to prevent him from using his power, essentially making him a vanilla townie. But instead you want to out more PRs.

Pierce your strategies are conflicting and ridiculous.

 

[EdreesesPieces]

Shaya - WOW, that is what I like to see. You have really good points on it being dangerous that only 2 (myself and Pierce) have a really active presence on town and the direction the game is going. I disagree with the idea that Rajam is cleared now from his claim because I don't think we can believe him (esp considering that slip up he just did, then again, I've had a slip up myself that was just a syntax error)

Pierce - Yeah, I am still down for a Rajam lynch.

Shaya's post makes me relax on him a lot more, I'm glad he's going aggressive on pierce and pointing out that he think is scum and defending his vote on Pierce better. That's the kind of information we need exposed out there. That eases my need to pressure u Shaya.

BTW, Shaya, I'm shocked you think I haven't pressured anyone more than you have. I've pressured Rajam a buttload, I was one of the first people on DMG's case leading to his role claim, and I'm the one who has been pressuring you and respond essentially with the post you just came up with. However, I'm GLAD you have the interst to call me out. Keep doing it. I'm a little weary that pierce has nothing bad to say about me, it..bugs me. But I still think Pierce is most likely town.

Unvote
Vote: Rajam

 

[Pierce7d]

Also, Ed, I'm kinda feeling your idea. I like how this talking is going. I'm good with talking a while before forcing a claim on Chibo. Only thing is, I'm refereeing MLG OH, so I'm outta here on Thursday night. That leaves tomorrow, PERHAPS a bit of Thursday, and then the last bit of Monday before time out.

 

[CT Chia]

Don't lynch Rajam.

 

[CT Chia]

Similar to Pierce, I'll be at MLG. WTF YOUR ALSO A REF?? URG
I'm leaving my place wed night and my state thur/fri - its a confusing trip lol
but I'll have phone access the entire time + internet by tethering my phone to my laptop

If you must Pierce then borrow my laptop with internet on one of the nights at mlg lolol

 

[DMG]

Lynching either me or Raj would be bad Assuming he truly is Robo. Not to defend myself over him, but getting Raj over me makes more sense from most perspectives (New with that kind of power, not having proven his abilitiy/role, etc).

I think we do need to get another claim on someone. Yes, 3 claims in two days, but when the first two claims are town/strongly believed to be town, are you really gonna lynch them just to avoid a claim? You have to remember this:

Mafia already knows who is town for sure. Town has to figure out amongst themselves who is really town and who is really scum. Let's say you Lynch me this round. You have gotten rid of a town player, Mafia will most likely get a kill on someone at night, and whatever player you didn't want to force a claim on is still gonna be questionable (assuming they didn't get killed). Worst case scenario, you make someone claim, you accidentally lynch town, and another town dies at night. In this scenario, you at least gain info on the person who claimed, regardless of whether they tell the truth or not.

Unless we happen to force a claim of someone very powerful like Doc, making another person claim IMO is better than accepting lynching town and not getting some more info.

 

[EdreesesPieces]

chibo you never answered my question on who do u trust the most?

 

[Pierce7d]

DMG's claim was yesterday. I was for it, but I did not head it. He flipped Lucca, and is slightly suspicious, but my suspicions of him are decreasing again.

I know I'm town. I'm playing an offensive townie game. I picked the scummiest players (Shaya doesn't really fall into this category anymore, imo) and I'm getting claims on them. If I could have, I'd have gotten one on Shadowlink, and he'd probably be alive right now, with Rajam dead. I would greatly prefer that considering their powers, though I can't really regret it too much since the Independents are knocked out and we can revive Chrono.

Rajam, my point in the post you didn't understand, is that I rather you have a target on your back for mafia to kill you if you're town, then TOWN lynching you (town if you are town) and then Mafia still getting to kill another townie. At least, this way, we only kill one townie. Mafia is unlikely to kill revealed townies over hidden ones btw. I'd greater fear a power that I did not know. I mean, I'm probably a pretty huge target for Mafia. Since I'm such a center-point of the game, it's easy to peg anyone with it. If Ed were Mafia and lynched me toNight, no one would be the wiser.

That being said, Doc, do not target me. Trust me.

 

[Rajam]

wtf was that Edreeses, you're finding everyone's defenses good, and now you point to me after I've claimed Robo, after I've told my abilities, after DMG tells I'm town too... it makes no sense at all. Weren't you gonna press Chibo?

I'm starting to dislike your play. You seem friendly with everyone, you say a lot of intelligent stuff but at the end, they get lost and no one ends applying your ideas, not even you. Why have you voted by me? Because you don't feel I'm townie? Please point specific scummy attitudes of me, specially considering my claims

I'll vote for you because I also don't feel you're a real townie. What the hell was that "Shaya I'm glad at your responses"???

unvote
vote: Edreeses

 

[CT Chia]

chibo you never answered my question on who do u trust the most?

Surprisingly enough, Rajam.

 

[CT Chia]

I really think people should hold off on the votes on anyone and we seriously debate this claiming situation. I'm now at a point where I'm too worried that I won't survive another day and need to say what I know.

 

[Pierce7d]

Actually Chibo, I agree. Also, I'm going to sit back a bit, and see what things look like when I'm not allowing easy opportunities to blend around me. i'll still post, but not with the same aggressive nature for a bit.

 

[Shaya]

Mass role claiming:
Under the situation of there being two mafia and one of them being under serious pressure and most likely a lynch situation, them trying to force a mass role claim as a sacrifice to help mafia night kills is a viable strategy.
BECAUSE OF THIS, I think I would refuse at this point.

Individual role claims:
We've had 1 new one today, which was backed by the one from yesterday.
What I find really off right now Chibo is that not only did you say
"You stated you were one of the 6 heroes, pretty much guaranteeing a power role, YOU MAY AS WELL STATE WHAT YOU ARE",
that you blame Pierce entirely for his role claim. He did lead it, but Rajam was cautious about not revealing anything else as well. You also agreed on the whole "Claim: Name" thing. Now you 'trust rajam', blame pierce for it, and are being hella sketchy and contradictory with your opinion on role claims.

 

[Pierce7d]

Yeah, come to think of it, you flip flop a lot Chibo.

Did you state, in regards to Rajam, "u have no idea how bad I want this guy outta the game"

but now you trust him over everyone?

 

[CT Chia]

I eventually went along with the anti-Rajam thing because it was so obvious that was the way the town was going. Suspicion had started to raise on me as a 2nd choice so I went with the rest of the town. I have my reasonings for believing Rajam atm more or less, and he was never my prime lynch target the entire day.

 

[CT Chia]

Pierce, when was that quote, day 1 or 2? I forget.

But what also set me off was Rajam's increasingly awful play, such as first suggesting a mass claim on day 2 without anyone claiming yet today which was ludicrous. I found that if we were to be lynched it wouldnt be as bad as it could be considering he was almost detrimental to town.

 

[Pierce7d]

And yet you still find him to be the LEAST LIKELY to be scum?

 

[CT Chia]

If Lavos' is a single SK in this game instead of a mafia (which flavor strongly suggests) (SK is just a one man mafia) then as of right now, yes - but that could change in future days.

 

[Red Arremer]

Unvote

...okay, guys.

I think I should give you an important information about Lavos. Apparently, he is some sort of cult leader or something similar. Why I believe this?
Alright, listen about this:
I have the actual information in my role PM that Lavos is able to turn people into Lavos Spawns. What this includes in terms of restrictions, I don't know. I just know that he can do this.

Now, we have someone who was attacked in the night and was crippled when it comes to voting, right? Why, that would be adumbrodeus.

FoS: adumbrodeus

If my assumption is correct, Lavos is able to recruit one or more players as Lavos Spawns and have them turn into scum.

 

[CT Chia]

Wouldn't that make Ambro a lavos spawn and not lavos? we might have enough info to nail lavos right now in the day lynch.

 

[Red Arremer]

that doesn't make adumbrodeus less dangerous.

he might turn into lavos if he isn't killed, IF he is a lavos spawn (as said, i suspect it, i don't know it), therefore we must be on our toes and be very quick to kill off adumbrodeus next Day if we manage to get lavos toDay.

 

[CT Chia]

I agree, but for Day 2 our primary target should be Lavos, especially if it seems adum isn't a full thing yet?

What makes you reveal this information now joel?

 

[Shaya]

Why haven't you revealed this earlier? Like maybe DAY ONE?
This would explain the lack of night kill (maybe?),
Adum also suggested earlier that there may be a cult.

This throws a lot of play going on atm outside the window.. From what I read on the wiki cult leaders recruit at night. That would mean two? scum are amongst us right now... and if we don't lynch scum today tomorrow it's 4v3...

You raise suspicions on adum... but now I'm even more perplexed about Pierce being so rushed all day (and Chibo was willing to get rid of Rajam earlier quickly too)...
You've been buddying with Pierce a bit toDay; Edrees even noted it...

 

[Red Arremer]

I've been buddying with Pierce because he made valid points imo and at least recognized what i said, lol.

anyway, i didn't say it because it was flavor and i was not sure whether it would mean that it's a cult, i also felt it would make me a primary target for scum. i just made the connection between adumbrodeus' restriction and the lavos spawn bit, hence i only posted it now.

 

[CT Chia]

Well ****, I mean even though it's not bad per se, we have even more claims going on.

This makes me want to mass claim even more now in hopes of nailing the cult leader if that's what Lavos' is

 

[Pierce7d]

what. the. hell. That heavily goes under information that you should tell town on day one. It's one of those things that Mafia already knows, and it's WORTH putting a target on your back to let town know.

Things to ponder:
Is turning people into Lavos Spawn the only form of "night kill" Lavos has?
What exactly does being a Lavos Spawn constitute?
Does voting for Lavos have any penalties? Adum, who did you vote for Day 1?
.Joel, why do you know this?
.joel, you were adamant about not clearing Adum this whole time. Why only now do you mention the most important factor that would make me retain some degree of suspicion on him.
DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE SOMETHING THEY'D LIKE TO TELL ME?

Since we're busting out important information from our roles, I'll say that Lavos might be SK in the sense that he turns people into spawn, but not kills. I just think he's mafia though, based off the OP, and the entire direction the game is launched in. I'll also repeat that if there is a town doc, don't waste time protecting me.

Also, I have an experiment. Let's put Adum at L-1, and have .joel be one of the voters. What he revealed to us largely suggests that he's town if it's true, and that he has an offensive ability against L-S if it's true. I want to see if that ability pertains to having increased vote power against L-S. If night happens to fall upon us because I'm correct, whoever is doc should protect .joel for the night. If not, we'll play from there, as there won't be a lynch.

 

[Pierce7d]

Also, Chibo, I literally snotted out of my nose. You must be mad, really bad at mafia despite experience, or just on an entire level of play above my comprehension.

Since Lavos has powers we did not even IMAGINE, why would we want to let him know the best way of how to dismantle town? Right now, I'm comfortable with the claims that were made. We can learn a lot off the way Mafia kills now.

I'm beginning to comprehend this game slightly better.

 

[Pierce7d]

http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Cult

It's important to know what we may be up against. This might be a little advanced for my first full game of Mafia, but I'll slay Lavos anyway. We just might need a change of strategy is all.

More to ponder:
Is there a mafia and a cult
Which is more dangerous
What are "cult-tells?"
How many of us are actually town?

We've been playing this game under the assumption that there were 6 townies, and 2 Mafia. However, it is very, very possible that there are 4 townies, 2 cultists (a converted and a leader), and 2 Mafia.

I REALLY want Chrono back now.

 

[Pierce7d]

Also, I believe in Chrono Trigger, there are 7 playable party members. If we don't count Magus, that's 6

It's possible that the set-up could be

6 heros
1 Cult leader
2 Inde Masons (who's win condition is unknown)
2 Mafia

That's a little weaker than normal for town, but we seem to have relatively good powers. I think we might need to rely on Robo's power a bit more, if we really think Rajam is town, though atm I'm still scared of it. Of course, I'm more scared of cultists.

 

[CT Chia]

What? Cult Leader and Indie and mafia? It's incredibly uncommon for a 4 faction game, if they even exist. I highly doubt this is what this is.

Don't follow Pierce's plan everyone, not that its bad, just for how unsafe it is really. Don't put anyone at L-1 right now. Can you explain more about this power?

No one else knows that they were attacked or anything at night correct? Only adum?

 

[Pierce7d]

Chibo, I know you're probably thinking it gives Mafia a chance to strike at .joel, but if they hammer early, then we'll have a clear shot at scum, and one townie for one scum is worth it.

If this is Lylo on day two, after losing only 1 townie and hitting 2 indies, then this was a horribly balanced game, lmao.

 

[CT Chia]

No it's not lylo at all, but if we're dealing with a cult leader here we can not afford a day like that, even if we would have a clear sight for tomorrow because it still gives scum time to recruit someone.

Come on Pierce, I know you want to play more cautious than that.

 

[CT Chia]

Shaya, I want information. I've got my sights on you next.

 

[CT Chia]

Request Votecount

 

[Overswarm]

rajam (1) - edreesespieces,
Pierce7D (1)- Shaya
EdreesesPieces (1)- Rajam,
Chibo (2) - DMG, Pierce7D

Time periods
Present: 1000 A.D. - Pierce7D, .joel, Rajam
Pre-historic: 65,000,000,000 B.C.- Chibo


Not voting:
Adumbrodeus, Chibo,

A deadline is set for Monday, June 7th, at 3:00 p.m. EST

With 8 players remaining, it takes 5 to lynch.