wtf was that Edreeses, you're finding everyone's defenses good, and now you point to me after I've claimed Robo, after I've told my abilities, after DMG tells I'm town too... it makes no sense at all. Weren't you gonna press Chibo?
I'm starting to dislike your play. You seem friendly with everyone, you say a lot of intelligent stuff but at the end, they get lost and no one ends applying your ideas, not even you. Why have you voted by me? Because you don't feel I'm townie? Please point specific scummy attitudes of me, specially considering my claims
I'll vote for you because I also don't feel you're a real townie. What the hell was that "Shaya I'm glad at your responses"???
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vote: Edreeses
Look, my aim isn't to lynch the first person I press. My style is to pressure people into leaking as much information as possible. This is how I've been playing the game. I'm very retracting on people I've pressured once they've leaked out a huge deal of information. Look at how much information I got out of both you and Shaya. What did you want me to do? My aim is to find suspicious behavior, press people on it, get them to leak info, and I decided I was satisfied with Shaya's response, as in - satisfied to the degree where I don't want to lynch him.
I voted for you again because I still don't know whether Robo is town. Yes, you are probably Robo, but how do I know Robo is town? Everyone laid off you, and I got scared of everyone just suddenly forgetting about you, so I laid my vote as a reminder that you aren't completely off the hook. I'm less suspicious of you as the result of your claims, but it would be terrible to completely let you go based on a claim I can't verify. Also, I PRESSURED CHIBO 2 POSTS BEFORE MY POST where I voted for you. I asked him who he trusts the most. This is a pretty strong question, and I didn't ask anybody else. I was starting to pressure him and, thanks for the reminder, I will continue in this post.
Do you think pressuring people to leak information , then jumping back to another, then shifting my votes is scummy behavior? You got incredibly pissed just because I voted for you despite your claim. Really bugs me. As for specific scummy behavior you wanted me to point out here's a few
-Wanting to mass role claim
-Voting for me because I voted for you
-Sudden change in posting style (earlier in the game, when we all called you out)
-Voting for a time period without consulting anyone
You act as if I should completely forgive all your past scummy behaviors just because your claim. No, what's going to actually happen is I will be a lot less suspicious of you for the claim, but I will continue to consider you a decently likely candidate as scum because of a ton of past transgressions. I'm going to admit I'm not neaaarly as suspicious of you - I was just playing that card to send a message to you that you can't relax, that's really the reason for the vote.
By the way, I'm not "trying to be nice"...my goal isn't to be nice to people, it's to get town a win, and I'm only "nice" to people I think are town.
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...okay, guys.
I think I should give you an important information about Lavos. Apparently, he is some sort of cult leader or something similar. Why I believe this?
Alright, listen about this:
I have the actual information in my role PM that Lavos is able to turn people into Lavos Spawns. What this includes in terms of restrictions, I don't know. I just know that he can do this.
Now, we have someone who was attacked in the night and was crippled when it comes to voting, right? Why, that would be adumbrodeus.
FoS: adumbrodeus
If my assumption is correct, Lavos is able to recruit one or more players as Lavos Spawns and have them turn into scum.
I honestly don't think Mafia would ever reveal this kind of crucial information. Even if Joel did it late, as Shaya said, Joel, if Mafia, would have nothing to gain from revealing it at this time. I think he just finally decided he had the balls/willing to take the risk to do it, or he realized just how important it is and had to spill it.
Chibo, are you asking me for my role? Over others?
Why am I suddenly in your sights?
And no it wouldn't be lylo day 2, but if we don't nab any scum today it will be tomorrow.Joel not revealing this day one was probably one of the most anti-town things that any player could have ever done. I'm less suspicious of Joel for revealing this information, even if it was much later than we needed it.
I don't think its necessarily anti town. What if Joel has an important power? By revealing this info he's shown that he has some power and knows ****. He's shown that he's not a vanilla townie, and to me that puts a target on his back. I don't think that's "EXTREMELY" anti town, even if it does hurt town and is slightly anti town behavior.
I am disliking Chibo's confusing play a lot. He suddenly has Shaya in his "sights", is jumping back and forth between wanting mass/popcorn claims, and is just trying to suck way too much information out of town. I thought an experienced player above all would know that, you are better off having mafia get random kills on town than having them have town players they can "save for later" when towns numbers are dwindled because those town members are not really threats ability-wise. I think I do, afterall, want a claim out of him to see why his behavior is so erratic. I especially don't like that he is so desperate to find out who attacked Adumbrodeus. Chibo, you are just generally trying to get way too much information that may be MORE beneficial for mafia to know than town. You are now my top most likely candidate to be scum.
Unvote. Vote: Chibo
This is a really good point, and changes up some of my ideas. Though I didn't like your first point (#1) but it's whatever.
Then if Adum wasn't the target of a mafia recruit, then what's the nature of his attack. If Lavos was busy recruiting, and the entire indy faction was gone, then a townie should have been the one to attack Adum, a town voteblocker is defintiely a possible role.
@OS: Is that vote count correct? It says 3 votes on me yet only 2 specific people.
For whoever attacked Adum or vote blocked w/e, speak up. It would be very beneficial for town if you did so we can get to the bottom of what's going on.
Perhaps Mafia/Lavos tried to recruit Adumbrodeus but it failed, or partly went through and doesn't let him vote. It doesn't make sense to me for Adumb to have been recruited when he said the "ATTACK FAILED". The attack would probably SUCCEED if he was converted..so who knows. It's so confusing and probably a mystery that will help tie this all together (esp why there was no nightkill)
I did not say Raj is confirmed town. I said if we are to believe that he is Robo, that ROBO is a town role. There is the chance that he is also scum, I personally believe he is Robo though. Considering no one else even attempted to counter claim him, I think it's safe to say he is who he says he is. If he is not, I will KILL in person the actual Robo for not speaking up earlier.
I will also be upset if you guys seriously decide to lynch one of us instead of/before seriously pressuring someone else for more info. Do you really think, at this point, flipping a coin between two people who are probably town is better than asking someone else who they are? That scenario shouldn't even run in your head before you think about finding out another role/getting more information from other people.
I do believe that Rajam is Robo, however, I also think there is a very strong chance he isn't town. Stop relying on flavor, read the first post:
If you rely on flavor you will get burned ESP considering tmafia could be recruited as Lavos Spawns, it gives more reason to believe that heroes can be mafia.
Adum, READ IT CAREFULLY.
ROBO IS A GUARANTEED TOWN ROLE. GUARANTEED. I can 100% Guarantee THAT, NOT guarantee that Raj is who he says he is. I DO believe he is Robo, which would make him town.
ROBO = Town
RAJ = Probably Robo, but this isn't confirmed
Look, I want to believe you. If I can assume he is definitely town, that will help sooooo much. But you have to understand how hard it is to believe you. Like I said, which you didn't comment on it,
do you believe Robo is a town role just because he's your mason partner or something? as I stated before, BEING mason partners with someone DOES NOT CONFIRM THEM TOWN.
I've taken bets with people where I was "100% sure" of something. How do I know you didn't overlook something? Putting someone into "100% town" category without evidence why is
dangerous and wanting to do it is what scum wants Perhaps you've seen the evidence for it, but if I haven't seen the evidence, how can you expect me to go with it!?