Chrono Trigger Mafia: Omni and Scamp Win! Adumbrodeus wins!

[Pierce7d]

Decent play I suppose Raj. You must realize it's slightly suspicious that you opted to go where you are strong, but this could also be interpreted as a pro-town play if you are indeed town. However, if Spawns keep their power, this is dangerous as hell.

I hate cults.

I'm going to go through my list and actively state what I think about each particular player.

Omni - Mune: Independant Twin-Mason. Wins by exiting the game when there are no Lavos Spawns

So far, his claim is pretty largely backed up by his pro-town play. However, I'm suspicious because I don't think all his powers have been revealed to us, unless I forgot something where he stated himself having a power against Spawns.

Scamp - Masa: Independant Twin-Mason. Wins by exiting the game when there are no Lavos Spawns

Same as Omni. Also, the independants are kinda fishy for not immediately telling us about Lavos Spawns, but they weren't expecting to be killed day one, and tried to make a quick win escape. We can tell that since they didn't win, there was a spawn on Day 1. We do not know if someone is revealed to be a spawn upon their death.

DMG - Lucca: Town (What is the name of your ability DMG?) Can block a timezone once per day. Very inactive. Blocked Future n1 Dark Ages n2. n1 block was agreed by town, but he was requested to NOT block anything n2. Claimed that ROBO is 100% town, but we don't know how he has this information.

I wish this guy was more active. Camping harder than he does in Brawl makes it hard to trust the town read on him. If I wasn't so suspicious of Shaya, he'd be my prime pick. I also wanna know why he knows ROBO is town.

Rajam - Robo: Double Voter/Time Triple Voter. Can Triple Time vote in Future, and Double Vote in future. Visited no one d1. Claimed that could be revived by DMG (Lucca) once.

Based on the flow of his playstyle, his claims of inexperience corrected by learning seems to check out. So far he's pro-town, but is very, very dangerous if he gets recruited into a spawn, so I continue to be wary of him.

Pierce - Frog: Heroic Townie, Is immune to being targeted by night actions. Cannot tell when he's targeted. Has repelled Shaya and Adum.

Had a gap of inactivity due to real life catching up with him, but has otherwise played very aggressively all game. Has not yet lead to lynching any Mafia, but believes this is because Mafia is quite scarce. Has played a strong pro-town game, but has a very suspicious ability.

.joel - Marle: Town Doc, can protect from night kill or Spawn attack. Can do this for two people in 1000A.D. but cannot target self. Cannot vote.

Accidentally hammered Chibo and was suspicious at the beginning of the game, but is playing very pro-town day 3, and claimed to help repel suspicions on Chibo. HORRIBLE play for town, because he's the much needed Doc. Also fishy for not immediately telling us about Lavos Spawns.

Shaya - Gaspar, Town Time Scanner: Are told the abilities of a person, needs to correctly guess time period in order to use it again. Targeted Pierce n1, failed. Has yet to guess time period correctly this far. Immune to being night killed once. Guessed we would go vote 600A.D. during d2. Cannot vote toDay, d3

By far the most suspicious mofo. Has interesting theories which make sense, but don't go with mainstream thoughts leading me to believe they are an inventive cover. Posts large posts with information that hasn't really lead anywhere, but doesn't post frequently enough to be really pro-town. Suspects me after targetting me, which makes me VERY suspicious of him, since I know I'm town.

Adum - Magus: Has an ability that hits Lavos, or voteblocks someone for the next day. Hit Pierce n1 and .joel n2. Could not vote d2

Suspicious for not immediately revealing I blocked his power, but has reasonable alibi. Unsure if he knew about Lavos Spawns and did not tell us right away.

Edrees - Schala: town spawn hunter, Can kill Lavos Spawn, or voteblock someone for day. Hit Adum n1 and Shaya n2

Did not immediately tell us about Lavos Spawns. Also, very buddy with me d2, but then quickly turned against me d3. Also, voteblocking is dangerous and suspicious. Could be tailing the leaders of the pack to stay out of fire.

 

[Rajam]

At the risk of being considered scum, I'll start to trust Pierce. so, first:

unvote

...

I'll check your plan now

 

[Red Arremer]

I also wanna know why he knows ROBO is town.

-_-

You already USED the reason why he knows Robo is town in your castle strategy - he is, according to his claim, able to revive Robo once.

 

[Pierce7d]

Rajam, your night actions check out with what your power is, so I'm not too suspicious of you atm. I just think that if you turn to spawn, you're dangerous if you keep your power. Until this is proven or disproven, I'm reluctant to go to future.

However, using the same logic I did in regards to going to EoT, I kinda wanna go to future now rather than later. If Raj is dangerous, and we go there, we still have the numbers to escape him and his allies without getting trapped and burned, and then we can check 600A.D. and Dark Ages. If we wait, and Raj is spawn, it's too late. Also, I'd assume Lavos hits at night, which is after we vote, and so he can recruit KNOWING what time period we're going to be in the next day. It's likely for Raj to get targeted if we go to future.

It's a coin toss between whether the Doc protects him or someone else, probably Adum.

 

[Pierce7d]

Did DMG actually state that .joel? Can you quote or link me, I seemed to have missed it.

 

[Red Arremer]

yes he did

Also, I will explain how I knew Robo is a town aligned role 100%.

I have an additional ability. I can revive Robo from being Lynched or Night Killed. But only once. This is how I knew Robo was a town role.

 

[Pierce7d]

Flavor wise, that matches up. I believe Lucca is a tech freak, and it makes sense that she could fix up ROBO.

Rajam, question, did you reveal someone could revive you BEFORE or AFTER DMG made this claim?

 

[Shaya]

Still awake !
BUT I SPOTTED GOOD ACTIVITY HOT ****

1. Overswarm had set up this game to be either 11 or 13 players. The 2 extra being the other two gurus is feasible. Also whilst I wasn't told anything specific, EOT has "effects". I'm not given a specific buff in EOT but something is meant to happen.
2. Why would I reveal my ability got nightblocked on you day 2 pierce? That reveals what my ability is pertains to / there was a reason I didn't trust you worth a cent day 2 either. We didn't even know this was a recruiting game until towards the end of day 2.

To add into this speculation, Shaya tried to toss seed of distrust between town and the indy masons, and generally is very unhelpful, doesn't seem to want to scumhunt, and he's fairly inactive.

Holy **** you did not just say that. I bet you word for word I DWARF you. I put time and effort into my posts and also try to analyse players who are getting out-right called "100% CONFIRMED TOWNIES" (HURR?) as well instead of "skimming things and lynching townees", "not having any idea what spawn means" or only really having a slew of one line sentences the entire game. And you're saying I'm the one not scum hunting when you're now talking about flavour only?
Honestly your "stupidity" if I could call it that gives me a head ache. Is your way of tunnelling throwing out hypocritical insults?

"Seeds of distrust" was a complaint that everyone is just sitting back BLENDING or doing nothing but being a parrot (hi joel) when we can't even be 100% certain that we can trust indies. Indies exist, they realistically cannot be lynched today, they're leading town actions and nothing else is happening and why is everyone okay with things progressing this way without any non-indy influence (yes I'm aware there's the 3/7 mafia influence here).

If i plainly said "hey town, wake up, you can't just rely on 100% confirmed INDIES for gods sake" would someone like you actually realise why? Probably not.

Posts like that make me want to drop out of this game.

 

[adumbrodeus]

Unsure if he knew about Lavos Spawns and did not tell us right away.

That's... an odd statement. I never stated that I had any abilities that relate to the spawn in the first place, so why would you think that it's possible I know? It would be the same as an arbitrary townie knowing.


Thinking I'd know just seems... odd.

 

[Rajam]

Well since now Mafia knows I can be revived, they know the only good thing to do against me is converting me into a spawn. I really wanted to be a target for a Mafia kill in the end of Day 2, because again, I can be revived. At the same time that would've proven I'm town and not a spawn. That's why I'm kind of upset now to DMG because he revealed I can be revived. I suppose spawns can communicate with Mafia, so it would only confirm what DMG did was stupid -_- no point in revealing such a thing if he can already communicate with Mafia... in fact it only makes me look scummier. I'm really wondering why DMG revealed that from nowhere...

For a possible plan, I'd discard DMG. If he is a spawn, he won't revive me anyways.

 

[Rajam]

Flavor wise, that matches up. I believe Lucca is a tech freak, and it makes sense that she could fix up ROBO.

Rajam, question, did you reveal someone could revive you BEFORE or AFTER DMG made this claim?

DMG revealed some posts ago (in this Day 3) he can revive me. Before that, I din't even mention anything about that, not even a hint... nothing

 

[Pierce7d]

Shaya, if you are indeed town, then I agree that right now, trusting anyone alive as 100% confirmed town is silly. 100% trusting the masons is also silly because at the end of the day their goals =/= our goals. However, I'm trying to find your actual scum hunting. You have indeed only sowed distrust. Over trust is bad, and so putting distrust on potential enemies is good, but you haven't really come out with candidates for Lavos, except for me, and I'm not Lavos. Also, like me, your claim is fishy as hell.

 

[Pierce7d]

That's... an odd statement. I never stated that I had any abilities that relate to the spawn in the first place, so why would you think that it's possible I know? It would be the same as an arbitrary townie knowing.


Thinking I'd know just seems... odd.

I didn't "think" you'd know, but your ability is similar to Ed, who I'm curious if you're Mason with. Your ability also relates to Lavos. However, you do note that I didn't outright say that I'm suspicious of you for not saying, because I acknowledge the large possibility that you didn't know.

DMG revealed some posts ago (in this Day 3) he can revive me. Before that, I din't even mention anything about that, not even a hint... nothing

Well, this is good in one way, because it pretty much confirms that DMG can indeed revive you, and probably that you are town (though you may yet be spawn). Either that or you're both Mafia, but I doubt that.

 

[adumbrodeus]

Shaya, in the words of ankoku, if you want something done, DO SOMETHING.

You may have written wordy posts and had a fair amount of activity, but your play has been ridiculously passive. Over at mafia-scum, we have a term for that, "active lurking".


Who do you think is scum?

Still awake !
BUT I SPOTTED GOOD ACTIVITY HOT ****

1. Overswarm had set up this game to be either 11 or 13 players. The 2 extra being the other two gurus is feasible. Also whilst I wasn't told anything specific, EOT has "effects". I'm not given a specific buff in EOT but something is meant to happen.

An additional 2 protown roles is feasable?

In balanced game? I sincerely doubt it.

 

[Rajam]

Actually, I now think spawns cannot communicate with anyone else. In this game a lot of characters can be revived (indies, Chrono, me) so if they're spawns, killed and revived, they'd reveal who is Mafia, and even their abilities...

With that, I think DMG is really a spawn...

Then again, I want to go after Lavos. Also, there is still a chance DMG is town yet, and Edreeses and Shaya look as scummy or even scummier than DMG

 

[Pierce7d]

Guru's aren't necessarily pro-town Adum.

Also, lol @ me having to search to find out who Shaya was quoting.

 

[adumbrodeus]

I said, "pro-town" not "town" because judging by the pattern of the game (flavor more then just flavor here), a guru would be a pro-town neutral. If Edreese isn't lying, I suspect he is too because he's not a recruitable character.

I didn't "think" you'd know, but your ability is similar to Ed, who I'm curious if you're Mason with. Your ability also relates to Lavos. However, you do note that I didn't outright say that I'm suspicious of you for not saying, because I acknowledge the large possibility that you didn't know.

You suspect I'm in a masonry with my sister? The answer is no.


Speaking of which, Masa and mune were already siblings, if we're siblings in the game, why aren't we siblings in this game? Possibly game balance, but still, another point of oddness to file away which makes me wanna test his claim even more.

 

[Red Arremer]

I'll be honest: I don't wanna play anymore, I'm getting bored with this game. If already asked to get replaced earlier, and I thought I would die soon anyway.

I'll consider committing suicide by voting, though I'll probably wait until tomorrow and sleep over it.

 

[Pierce7d]

Actually, I now think spawns cannot communicate with anyone else. In this game a lot of characters can be revived (indies, Chrono, me) so if they're spawns, killed and revived, they'd reveal who is Mafia, and even their abilities...

With that, I think DMG is really a spawn...

Then again, I want to go after Lavos. Also, there is still a chance DMG is town yet, and Edreeses and Shaya look as scummy or even scummier than DMG

Good read.

We need to start coming up with a plan of action for toDay and toNight, and maybe a bit into tomorrow.

Lynch choice:
Time of choice:
Timeblock of choice (Time you want the time blocker, DMG to block):
Protect of choice (who you want the Doc, .joel to cover):
Spawn Hunt of choice (who you want the Spawn hunter, Edrees, to target, possibly voteblock):
Lavos Hunt of choice (who you want Adum and his mysterious power to target, possibly voteblock):
Time Scan of choice (who we want Shaya to scan if he guesses correctly):

 

[Pierce7d]

@ .joel

Wow, if you're actually the Doc, I'll be kinda upset. Accidentally dropping hammer on fellow townie, revealing you're the Doc, and then SDing would be so anti-town it's not even fair, and completely disrupts the balance of the game. You VOLUNTEERED to play. At least be a man and see it through. You've already influenced it far too much.

Perhaps one of the new members will want to replace you, so let OS look into that at least. I think Gallax was interested in playing.

@Adum

I think we're thinking along the same lines here. I'm pretty suspicious of Ed now too.

 

[Red Arremer]

@Pierce: Before knowing the scenario would be so confusing, yea. Also, I'm not much of a fan of getting constantly either ignored or insulted (not talking about "joel seems scummy" but rather things like Shaya's post, that was pretty offensive), so I'm loosing my interest into this game.

Also, I think revealing who I should protect is a bad decision, because it offers mafia the ability to target someone else instead; without knowing whom I'm protecting, they might target the person I protect.

 

[adumbrodeus]

Pierce, this is scary, why are we thinking the exact same thing, I actually just went to his profile so I could approach him about replacing via aim.


He's not on atm.

 

[Rajam]

Good read.

We need to start coming up with a plan of action for toDay and toNight, and maybe a bit into tomorrow.

Lynch choice: Edreeses
Time of choice: I already voted for Future
Timeblock of choice (Time you want the time blocker, DMG to block): Pre-historic
Protect of choice (who you want the Doc, .joel to cover): If we lynch Edreeses and he is Mafia, protect adum and me. If Edreeses is town, I'd leave to doctor's criteria... maybe DMG and me?
Spawn Hunt of choice (who you want the Spawn hunter, Edrees, to target, possibly voteblock): DMG
Lavos Hunt of choice (who you want Adum and his mysterious power to target, possibly voteblock): Shaya if we lynch Edreeses and he is not Lavos
Time Scan of choice (who we want Shaya to scan if he guesses correctly): If we lynch Edreeses and he turns to be Mafia, I'd scan .joel. If Edreeses is lynched and revealed Town, I'd scan adumbrodeus

I'll answer this again under the asumption we lynch Shaya

 

[adumbrodeus]

Of course you don't reveal who you're gonna protect, but he's some doctor strategy: http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5229

Generally it's useful to use randomness, say you've picked a primary target but use use chance to protect another townie.

 

[adumbrodeus]

I'd be down for a shaya lynch and then targeting edreese with my power toNight.

 

[Rajam]

I'll be honest: I don't wanna play anymore, I'm getting bored with this game. If already asked to get replaced earlier, and I thought I would die soon anyway.

I'll consider committing suicide by voting, though I'll probably wait until tomorrow and sleep over it.

Why don't you ask for a replacement in the BBR Social topic? I see no problem at that

Also, I apologize if I called you stupid or if I suggested such a thing... I only called stupid your action, and by no means I have addressed you or any other player as stupid or in any other despective way

 

[Pierce7d]

@ .joel

Yeah, by the merit that we're in the BR, I would sincerely hope no one back here is stupid. Also, I don't want you to reveal who you intend to protect, it's just for you to get a read on the rest of town's feelings about it.

@ Everyone

Keep personal insults out of the game.

 

[Rajam]

Sorry I want to change something on my options before (post 1223)

Time Scan of choice (who we want Shaya to scan if he guesses correctly): If we lynch Edreeses and he turns to be Mafia, I'd scan Omni or Scamp. If Edreeses is lynched and revealed Town, I'd scan adumbrodeus

 

[Rajam]

Answers if we lynch Shaya:

Protect of choice (who you want the Doc, .joel to cover): Shaya mafia: me and adum. Shaya town: DMG and me
Spawn Hunt of choice (who you want the Spawn hunter, Edrees, to target, possibly voteblock): DMG
Lavos Hunt of choice (who you want Adum and his mysterious power to target, possibly voteblock): Edreeses if Shaya is not Lavos
Time Scan of choice (who we want Shaya to scan if he guesses correctly): If Shaya somehows survives the lynch and is town, scan adumbrodeus

 

[Rajam]

Sorry I want to change something on my options before (post 1223)

Time Scan of choice (who we want Shaya to scan if he guesses correctly): If we lynch Edreeses and he turns to be Mafia, I'd scan Omni or Scamp. If Edreeses is lynched and revealed Town, I'd scan adumbrodeus

Last option (lol): If we lynch Edreeses, and he is Mafia, and if he survives the lynch, please scan his abilities.

 

[Pierce7d]

Good read.

We need to start coming up with a plan of action for toDay and toNight, and maybe a bit into tomorrow.

Lynch choice: Shaya
Time of choice: 600 A.D.. Unfortunately, Dark Ages are blocked, and I'm afraid of Rajam being spawn, or turned into one. That leaves 600 A.D. the only place left that we haven't searched.
Timeblock of choice: Prehistoric. I think it would be good for us to always block this, since Chibo is dead. It keeps all our other options open, and it doesn't seem like anything bad could happen to us here.
Protect of choice: Adumbrodeus. If he can slay Lavos, I want him alive.
Spawn Hunt of choice: DMG I think. Rajam seems town now, and I want DMG's power intact to heal him if necessary. I have another reason that I don't want to reveal to Lavos, so ask me about it tomorrow.
Lavos Hunt of choice: Ed or Shaya, whichever we don't lynch.
Time Scan of choice: Omni. I want to know just exactly what these Indy Masons are up to.

DMG, in the future, if town doesn't come to a consensus about where to travel, think about where town would not want to go, as opposed to where mafia would want to go. At this point in the game, your ability just gets in town's way (which is why I still think you might be scum). Although, I truly hope future play is good enough that we'll never get to a point where we don't know what we want you to vote.

Also, Town, we have a problem, Shaya might actually be our cop. Now, in this game, it looks like Cop was nerfed by having to guess correctly, but buffed by having an extra life. That makes it kinda balanced. Still, I don't want to accidentally lynch the cop. Perhaps lynching Ed would be safer? Also, we can't have Shaya scan himself for us, so it's really hard to prove Shaya's claim, making him more suspicious.

In case anyone missed it, the most important theory I had so far was that Lavos could either kill or recruit. If he tried to kill Chrono, he'd die. If he tried to recruit me, he'd fail. Being able to kill or recruit would mean he could essentially hit anyone in the game (probably), but he'd have to play smart. Also, someone was a spawn on Day 1

 

[Pierce7d]

Thought: DMG's power works well with Shaya's. Also, it's possible that it was Shadowlink or Chibo that was able to revive Rajam

 

[adumbrodeus]

Shaya, I think at this point we need to revert primarily to just scumhunting, Shaya's behavior is looking more and more scummy, and his power is either unreliable or dominates where we're going every night. That makes it very dangerous if he's mafia or ever recruited.



Also, I'd be surprised if he's our only scanner given how unreliable it is.

 

[Rajam]

It's undeniable that DMG and Shaya abilities somehow combine. Sadly, I think that doesn't tell us anything about if they're town or mafia; it could go either way.

Now that Pierce mention it, a cop hasn't claimed, so Shaya's claim gain a little more of credibility, unless we consider Chibo was a cop which I don't think he falls into that category. If we lynch Edreeses and he is Mafia, it wouldn't be a bad idea for the doctor to protect Shaya

Now going back to Edreeses, he could've said day 1 something like: "I have certain information that highly suggest there is a recruiter in the game" and pray for doctor's protection. To Edreeses favor, this is his 2nd gameplay, and he was never under pressure to claim anything until now. Also adumbrodeus, you mentioned it's kind of weird that you and him can't communicate in this game given that you're brothers in CT game; we could use the same argument to put a (weak) FOS on you: If Edreeses is Schala, why can't he speak with you if you're supposed to be her brother?

 

[adumbrodeus]

Rajam, why would I say it then? Again, it struck me as odd.


But again, this game isn't necessarily limited to one scanner, I doubt anyone who didn't say, "I'm revealing everything" has revealed absolutely everything about their claim, cause the more everyone knows, the more scum knows.

 

[Red Arremer]

Keep in mind Chibo was a scanner.

 

[adumbrodeus]

Heh?

Chibo was a tracker, no scan involved.

 

[Red Arremer]

Oh, i thought you meant with that roles who could scan people for stuff. o.o

 

[DMG]

Good read .joel. I also don't think .joel is the enemy. Claiming right away couldn't have been a planned strategy, because claiming just to get a kill on Chibo probably isn't worth it, especially when Chibo and most of town didn't suspect him, and was screwing up town in all sorts of ways.

I don't think any townie gets a buff from 600A.D. since I'm Frog, and I do not. However, Magus is from there, and may or may not get a buff. At this point, it's reasonably reliable to use some flavor, because patterns are beginning to show up. Someone who knows more about Chrono Trigger than me help me out here.

2300 A.D. the Future? It's blocked because of DMG.

WAIT A MINUTE! DMG is the one who confirmed Robo town, but then also claims that based off the available powers, the Future seems the most dangerous because ROBO's Power is the most broken? WTF?!?!!?!?!?

Wait

12,000 BC is locked and you may not vote for it

My bad

Lol. I blocked 2300 AD earlier when everyone in town wanted it, and before anyone knew in fact that Robo gains power in 2300 AD. However, after the first day, I did indeed suspect that Robo gains power in 2300 AD, and to answer your question of why I voted for Chibo first, it was a combination of him finding me scummy day in day out and for him wanting to go to 2300 AD so adamantly. I had a hunch he wasn't Robo, especially after I asked for a Robo claim and he was like wtf no that is stupid, and I found it suspicious that he wanted that time period so badly if it wasn't clear/if he wouldn't reveal whether he would get a buff from there or not.

Actually, I now think spawns cannot communicate with anyone else. In this game a lot of characters can be revived (indies, Chrono, me) so if they're spawns, killed and revived, they'd reveal who is Mafia, and even their abilities...

With that, I think DMG is really a spawn...

Then again, I want to go after Lavos. Also, there is still a chance DMG is town yet, and Edreeses and Shaya look as scummy or even scummier than DMG

I am still town. I am not a spawn.

Also Raj, me revealing that I can revive you, at this point in the game was not stupid. EVEN after revealing that people are questioning whether I am town, you would think if I didn't divulge that info that I would have been mislynched today lol.

Also, think about it like this: You had knowledge that "someone" could revive you.. No one claimed to be able to revive you before I did. I have also told you all that I knew beforehand that Robo was a town role (before I revealed that I could revive you). How else would I know that he is a town role? I'm not a tracker or have any abilities that reveal roles or names. Even if you thought I had a power like that earlier, I've not claimed to be able to do those things and others have stepped up and shown/said they can (Poor Chibo lol). I am surprised you of all people find me scummy, even after backing you up and possibly saving you from a lynch by telling people I know Robo is town.

I am in Austin right now for the weekend, might take me some time to see responses and reply back.

For the sake of town, I hope you all spend more time pressuring other people. Im not scum nor a spawn, so go out there and get someone else. Hell, I don't care if you want to lynch Raj to see if he is really Robo. I'll ask for Robo to be revived in that case and if he is who he says he is then we will clearly see it. Lynching me would be a mistake and I seriously hope you guys realize that. Aside from guaranteed confirmed independents, I have the strongest case for being town confirmed and I would be sad/disappointed if I was lynched despite that.

 

[Rajam]

Even if you were confirmed 100% to be a spawn, I don't want you to get lynched because I prefer to "waste" our votes and go after Lavos himself. Also I have no idea how spawns work, but it seems they do nothing... idk if after some days they start to gain power or if they retain their town powers, but the indies are more concerned about spawns, so maybe they have an ability that damage them. I even think spawns can't communicate with Mafia... if they have some sort of ability, I'd say it is protect Lavos. Maybe if we try to kill Lavos, a spawn takes the place and dies instead.... to everyone: what are your thoughts on spawns' abilities? and spawns and their role in the game in general?

Hey DMG who is your top scummy player? who would you vote against? and what time do you prefer to travel? WHo do you think could be spawns by now?