Chrono Trigger Mafia: Omni and Scamp Win! Adumbrodeus wins!

[Pierce7d]

Chibo, my suspicions of you haven't lowered really, especially because I think it would be LESS supsicious for you to continue pressuring me instead of backing my plays, but I do agree with what you're saying. I would be way less suspicious of you if you were helping to pressure Rajam into a claim.

 

[CT Chia]

tbh i never got the whole deal of claiming in mafia like that to avoid lynches except in dire need. dmg was one thing, where he was able to easily prove his power to us (just an example for u kno my real thoughts on him) but all claiming does is rly give targets for scum, and the biggest problem being, mafia almost always have safe claims. u kno what that does? gets us to stop suspecting possible scum for a wile which rly hurts town. so let's see, wanting to force claims gives us...
1. possible important PRs outed
2. gets town off scums backs
I think dmg might be a good play today because of this. let's ask ourselves - does his power do anything good for us? I don't think so. town is always in majority, so working together we can go to any time frame we want. his power hardly seems like a town power imo. let's say dmg is telling the truth and we make rajam claim and he's a pr, good stuff, look at the situation were in.

unless u have a good plan of what to do after rajam claims (maybe u can convince me idk) then I would see a dmg lynch be better than a rajam claim/lynch.

 

[DMG]

Chibo lol. Think about it like this: if town all agrees on a time period for me to block, I WILL pick it. The moment I deviate from it, assuming I was Mafia, would give it away. At this point, since I have already claimed I am Lucca and that I can time block, the safest play is to go along with town anyways. Your scenario of me deviating is so unlikely considering the circumstances if you REALLY think I'm scum. Raj is the safer person to Lynch because you already know my role and even if I turned out to be bad, I have to follow town for quite awhile anyways or get lynched.

I have told you my role. Would you rather immediately lynch the person who is strongly believed to be town, or the person who is questionable? Not that I am completely for lynching Raj, I find you suspicious for targeting me like that.

Also, let's say you get Raj to claim. How is lynching me better? I've already proven my claim, how would Raj be able to prove his? After night comes, yeah he could prove his claim, but then you are basically lynching someone strongly believed to be town and waiting on confirming the claim. If he is lying about his claim, and you lynch him over me, then you obviously got him lol.

So yes, actually lynching him over me makes more sense if you were to pick one of us. I have my eye on you Chibo.

FoS: Chibo

 

[EdreesesPieces]

I have a lot to say. Good news, I am HOME. This means I'll be back to my active self again.

First thoughts on DMG. I just realized that we know DMG has the power to block time periods. We don't need to worry about him that much, IMO, because if he ever blocks a time period we didn't suggest or one that hurts town, we will know he's actually mafia and he would be exposed. At the very least, if he was mafia, it makes that power of his useless...so while he's not exaunerated, I feel like it eliminates the use of that ability against town's wishes. We'd all lynch him on sight if he ever blocked a time period that we somehow discovered was beneficial for town, or if he ever blocked a time period without consulting everyone, and then we later found out how beneficial this time period is to town. Too many ways to expose him as mafia now that we know what he can do, hence why IMO it was a beneficial role claim.

If that's the case .joel, scoping out for the person is very dangerous for town.

Edrees, as I said, Rajam's best defence may be that he has no one defending him at all. He is still a likely candidate for a lynch though. On another point, I did read that post - I just honestly must throw out tired/late night johns for it. And you not wanting to lynch SL is good, I did say "I think". My thoughts on a connection are you were one of the only people still saying "strong town reads" from Pierce. What are your thoughts of him suggesting you may be Lavos? (along with chibo and myself)

I may be convinced to go to 1000AD at this point.

So answer my question. Are you against lynching Rajam? You claiming that nobody defending him is a good thing for him is an act of defense for Rajam in itself Can you please be a little more direct with your suspicions and who you trust? I don't understand whether you are defending him or not. Not wanting to commit to hating or liking another player seems like a scum action. So can you answer the question whether you think we should lynch him or not? And I understand you've taken some issue with my actions, and I got no problem with that. So vote for me, or make a mention that you think I'm scum. Don't just make comments on my behavior.

question to everyone (specially to those who believe I'm scum): If I were Mafia, then I'm obviously not working alone, someone else has to be Mafia (and therefore my partner(s)). The question is: who do you believe is Mafia besides me? Who do you think I'm working with?

Please answer my first question of this post. If I'm Mafia, who else do you think is with me? Again, please focus more on player interactions, and try to discover Mafia as a team, not as individual working b themselves. I'll answer the questions addressed to me and addressed to everyone that are in previous posts, I'm not avoiding anything.

Shaya refuses to either claim you are scum or to defend you, he doesn't want to commit to an opinion on you because if either of you were lynched it would lead us directly to the other. Yet he is throwing out ideas that defend you, but at the same, he doesn't go all the way and say you are town. There you go. I don't necessarily think this is the case, but it's I think this is more likely the scenario than anything else. I hope that satisfies your question.

A thing that bugs me a lot is why wasn't DMG the target of Mafia in night 1. Shouldn't have been him the number 1 target? Also, although I'm happy for it, it's really weird how a possible doctor/role blocker got it right and saved adumbrodeus from a night 1 kill. I'm still wondering who would target adumbrodeus as well... maybe .joel?

You don't know that he wasn't the target. Maybe Mafia couldn't kill anybody because of time period. Maybe mafia was kill blocked by doctor, who correctly predicted they'd go for DMG. Maybe they forgot to PM their **** night actions. There are tons of plausible and decently realistic reasons.

Finally, who the hell voted for staying in 65,000,000,000 again?? Chibo? The doll isn't here, and suggesting that Mafia couldn't kill because of this era is pure flavor.

It's not flavor because we went through one night in this time zone without a night kill. Therefore ,it is a strategic choice (based on guesswork, yes, but guesswork is not flavor) to vote for it...not flavor. Perhaps Chibo's reasons to go are flavor, I need to go back and read it again, but I remember him wanting to stay because so far it has shown to be a safe time period, and if we stay here and discover whether mafia can night kill in this time or not, at the very least we will answer the question whether Mafia's night kills can be effected by time zone. We will gain ACTUAL information.

I think you are all way too focused on this doll. Yes I would LOVE to get the doll, but if choose a time period where the doll isn't, do you realize we can suffer some serious consequences? I elect to take the safest choice rather than the choice with the most possible gain. It's like gambling in vegas. Sure you can gamble and you can win big, or you can keep your money, play it safe, and while you won't gain anything, at least you won't get royally ****ed by haphazardy picking something random just to find the doll and ignoring all other reasons.

Now, if there is a time zone you think has the doll AND think is safe for other reasons, then I am totally for going there provided people can post good reasons. The doll likely being in a time zone is a BONUS and a contributing factor to vote for the period, but it should NOT be the only factor to consider!!

Finally - Chibo, I hope you don't become less suspicious of me just because I'm liking your play lately. Keep an eye out for scum whether they have praise for you or not. I'm not scum but just pointing that out.

 

[CT Chia]

ur riding the fact that uj proved ur power too much. u proved the power, not the character.

ask me this, even if u follow town to block what we say, why does town want to do this? we could u kno, just not vote for that time. your power to be frank, isn't that beneficial to town imo. any other town pr would likely be better than you. if we lynch you and your town, its not the biggest loss in terms of what kind of townie we lose, and if we catch scum, then awesome. not diggin ur wifom either, what makes u think I'm scum from my beliefs?

 

[CT Chia]

ur riding the fact that uj proved ur power too much. u proved the power, not the character.

ask me this, even if u follow town to block what we say, why does town want to do this? we could u kno, just not vote for that time. your power to be frank, isn't that beneficial to town imo. any other town pr would likely be better than you. if we lynch you and your town, its not the biggest loss in terms of what kind of townie we lose, and if we catch scum, then awesome. not diggin ur wifom either, what makes u think I'm scum from my beliefs?

 

[Pierce7d]

Quite simple Chibo. Let's pretend for a moment that DMG's role was not yet revealed. Then, let us suppose that Rajam decided to claim he was Lucca when pressured. DMG would surely speak up and say he is Lucca if this were the case. Then, we'd lynch Rajam to see who was lying. Naturally, if Rajam flips Lucca, we'd be able to reliably lynch DMG for being scum, and if he doesn't, we can confirm DMG as town, which is also helpful, and we still lynched scum.

Because of this, we can decide if his answer is satisfactory enough for to keep him around, or lynch him anyways. However, no town would refuse to claim before getting lynched, because it provides town with valuable information before they die.

Imagine again for a moment, if you would, that Shadowlink had NOT gone inactive before we lynched him. We would have been able to force a claim in him as well. Now it's entirely possible that we might have decided not to kill him knowing he had such an ability. Fortunately, the ability did not backfire on us as it should have.

Generally, certain power-roles are staple to mafia games. As far as I've been able to tell, most Mafia games have a
doctor and a cop. Both of these are powerful roles, always assigned to town. We would NOT want to accidentally lynch a town cop. Furthermore, almost all Mafia games have only 1 cop. If Rajam says, "Wait, I'm cop!" then I'd be VERY hesitant to lynch him, but if he's not cop, then the real cop could speak up, and say "Uh, he's scum, I'm cop." We lynch Raj, and if he's scum, then we got 1 of 2 or 3, and we can now play follow the cop (at this point the doc would protect him actively). If he's actually the cop, then scum is getting lynched because they obviously just false claimed, and we still hit scum. If no one else claims cop, then Raj is probably cop, and therefore town and important.

DMG may or may not be scum, true. In fact, I'm not really feeling his ability to be a town ability, but his cards are at least on the table. I'd DEFINITELY AT LEAST FORCE A CLAIM ON RAJAM BEFORE LYNCHING DMG WHO ALREADY CLAIMED. Though I didn't approve of his previous play, his last post makes near perfect sense.

Right now, my suspicion on you grows Chibo, because you said something to deliberately distance yourself from Rajam, but you are REFUSING to go with the rest of town which finds a lynch on Rajam to be fairly favorable, and have not yet answered my call to help pressure him into a claim. Seems to me like a Chibo/Rajam Mafia set-up is more and more likely with each passing post.

Also, this is just flavor theory, but based on what I've seen so far, the good guys are good and the bad guys are bad. I'm not playing by that theory yet, but I'd like to continue tracing it a bit more.

 

[EdreesesPieces]

I suggest you all read the post above its so amazing. dont skim it !!! i spent a lot of time on it

 

[EdreesesPieces]

Ninja'd by everyone. By post above I mean the last post I made. Post #764

 

[EdreesesPieces]

Pierce - Even though it is flavor, I agree so far on good being good and bad being bad character wise, but that's still iffy territory for Magus. Also I really don't trust OS's flavor realism - he made terra and edgar, 2 of like the 3 most main heroes of ff6, scum, so I wont' get comfortable on this idea. We do know that Lavos is mafia ("GO GET LAVOS. LAVOS IS HIDING, ETC) but other mafia members could really be many characters.

 

[EdreesesPieces]

Until Shaya answers my question's on Rajam:
Unvote.
Vote: Shaya

Oh and I'm not sure if I buy this lost power chord theory for Adumb, can u post more or give us some more lately? So for now

FoS: Adumbrodeus

 

[Pierce7d]

Edrees, I'm kinda feeling you, but it's too early in the game for this sitting and waiting stuff. We can easily pop back to 1000 A.D., check it out, no doll, come back here, and see what's up. I mean

By the way, I just recalled that Adum cannot vote. I also realize that Rajam isn't going to vote for himself. This means we need 5 of the 6 remaining players to get a majority vote on Rajam, unless the day times out. If there are two Mafia players that are NOT Adum or Rajam, we need at least one of them to vote with us to get a majority vote. It's fairly reasonable to assume that OS realized that if people could not vote in particular time periods, coming to a majority would be kinda tricky, and could be the reason why he's letting the highest vote count lynch over hitting the target vote count.

In conclusion, Chibo is scummy as hell. Why would you be deferring away from town when it's so pivotal for town to work together?

 

[Pierce7d]

Ignore the cut off part of the first section of my last post where I said, "I mean . . ." I think I was going to imply that it's not entirely unsafe to go back to the first place we started.

Also, Edrees, Adum really did leave his laptop power cord at my house. He was here on Friday for my weekly crew meet as a guest.

 

[DMG]

Chibo, you have to remember my power prevents Mafia as well from voting for the period. It's a double edged sword, not an anti town power. Even if you REALLY believe it's an anti town power, you DO realize I have to play to the hand of town anyways for quite sometime or else risk getting lynched?

I agree, Raj you are gonna have to claim yourself. I am still very suspicious of Chibo.

Unvote

Vote: Rajam

 

[Pierce7d]

Ed, can you place your vote back on Rajam for a bit, so we can put him at l-1 and force a claim outta this guy?

And I SWEAR, IF ANYONE BESIDES ED PUTS A VOTE ON RAJAM AND LYNCHES HIM BEFORE HE GETS A CHANCE TO CLAIM, I'M GOING TO LEAD A LYNCH ON YOU SO FAST YOU'LL BE SPINNING AROUND ON THE NOOSE.

Rajam, if you don't claim by tomorrow, I'm going to ask the rest of town to lynch you.

 

[Rajam]

Request votecount

 

[EdreesesPieces]

Pierce, I am willing to force Rajam to role claim, but only once Shaya has answered my questions on whether he thinks Rajam should be lynched, and whether he thinks anyone is more likely the play for the day. I think this is essential to finding crucial information on Shaya. Shaya's opinion on Rajam will be tarnished once Rajam role claims. Do you see where Im coming from? Trust me though, I'm up for this, I just would like Shaya to answer my question before I do and before Rajam claims. There is still lots of time left in the Day, so we'll definitely get this this out of Rajam before day's end and have plenty of time to discuss the fallout of such a claim.

Also, I am open to voting for 1000 AD as long as other people are all fine with it. I'll vote for it only once I see the majority of players are fine with it. Like I said earlier, best to go with the majority. However I'd still prefer staying here, 600 AD or 12000 BC, but I'm willing to go with the majority should that arise. Still plenty of time on that though.

 

[EdreesesPieces]

^I don't mean once the majority already voted for it. I mean once i get a verbal commitment that others are down for 1000AD, I'll vote for it. What do you all think of my test of staying in this time period to determine whether mafia's lack of a kill was time period based or based on some other factor?? I think it is a great reason to stay.

 

[Rajam]

I'm against it. Pure flavor I'd say. As I said earlier, I'd prefer to move to 600 AD or 12000 BC because I think finding Chrono's doll is top priority, and also because, even if it's flavor, I think going to different times is needed in order to defeat Lavos, but if the only two options are pre-historic and present, I'd rather move to present, since at least there there is a chance to find Chrono's doll there.

 

[Rajam]

I'd also prefer to move to EoT before staying here again, and I'm very against the idea of going to EoT, but at least in EoT, there is a chance to find Chrono's doll

 

[Pierce7d]

I'm down with that Ed, but I think it's more likely that their specific target was protected by either time, Doc, or some other factor. I highly, highly doubt we're totally immune to night kills here. That would be broken.

I do not think we should use DMG's power for the rest of the game. While I'm content to keep him alive for now, because he's basically forced to "play town or die" the more I think about it, the more I feel Overswarm would NOT give a townie the ability to block a time zone when we need to explore time zones. For now, his vote is as good as towns, so long as we can agree on things as a town. He won't mind getting lynched a little later in the game for the good of town, if he really is town. Unless there's 3 Mafia, we've got a while till LYLO.

If I could lynch anyone right now, order would be:

Rajam l-2
Chibo
Shaya l-4
DMG
Adum
.Joel
Edrees
Pierce l-3

 

[Rajam]

At this point, I agree that I've been playing poorly. For the same reason, everyone should be against me, like everyone was against SL day 1, and because of my poor playstyle, I guess is in the best of the interests of Mafia to keep me alive until lylo, since they must think that because I'm a rookie I won't be able to be useful for Town as the game reaches an end. Note how Pierce has been against me since the beginning of day 2, and note how Chibo and Shaya are voting for him, who I'm thinking more than ever that he is town now (he is the most active scum-hunter this day, he has searched info from Omni who was the top scum-hunter day 1 -we should do the same too btw-). Because of that, I think Chibo and Shaya are Mafia partners: They are voting for Pierce, the top scum-hunter day 2. Note how Shaya didn't vote day 1, and also Chibo did a poor vote for Shaya day 1 (I think just for distract us, SL was gonna get lynched anyways), and Chibo based his vote on 65,000,000,000 BC on flavor

vote: ChiboSempai

Also, please check my Day 1 vote actions resume, in post 599: Note that .joel voted for adumbrodeus May/24th, and he didn't changed his vote later; note how nobody else ended voting for adumbrodeus. Attacking adumbrodeus would make us think .joel did that (it makes sense to try to blame .joel, since he is a dangerous, skilled Mafia player whichever side he is), so I think attacking adum was a Mafia strategy (which failed btw) for blaming .joel later, which hasn't been working neither since nobody is suspecting .joel. Of course it could've been the same .joel attacking adum, I'm not discarding that.

 

[Pierce7d]

I'm down with that Ed, but I think it's more likely that their specific target was protected by either time, Doc, or some other factor. I highly, highly doubt we're totally immune to night kills here. That would be broken.

I do not think we should use DMG's power for the rest of the game. While I'm content to keep him alive for now, because he's basically forced to "play town or die" the more I think about it, the more I feel Overswarm would NOT give a townie the ability to block a time zone when we need to explore time zones. For now, his vote is as good as towns, so long as we can agree on things as a town. He won't mind getting lynched a little later in the game for the good of town, if he really is town. Unless there's 3 Mafia, we've got a while till LYLO.

If I could lynch anyone right now, order would be:

Rajam l-2
Chibo
Shaya l-4
DMG
Adum
.Joel
Edrees
Pierce l-3

 

[Rajam]

I also think adumbrodeus is clear, I'm believing a little more in the "I was attacked, but not killed" story; no one else seems to think against it anyways. I also guess DMG is town; his ability is weird... but maybe DMG has more abilities, we can't discard that (or some debuffs...). From my personal point of view, DMG is the most close to being 100% town player.

Pierce: Very active scum-hunter; I'd trust him more if it weren't for the day 1 incident (the EoT issue)

Edreeses and .joel: I have no idea. I really need to focus more on these two

Shaya and Chibo: The top 2 at my suspicious list by now; I think they're Mafia partners btw. Shaya is keeping a really low profile, maybe too much, he is like trying to be invisible (I also think .joel is trying to do the same). Chibo's votes for periods of time have been weird, this one on day 2 specially.

 

[Pierce7d]

(ignore duplicate post)

Hmm, Rajam is suddenly finally starting to look less scummy. He's so deep in muck, that we're going to have to lynch him anyway, but he's no longer my top lynch candadite.

We'll play your game for now Edrees. I'm not really trying to lynch Shaya at the end of today. I'd greatly prefer Chibo actually. Right now my suspicions are

Chibo
Shaya
Rajam

DMG

Adum
.joel
Ed

Pierce

However, I still want to lynch Rajam today or tomorrow. Here's why.

No matter what he flips, we can get a lot potential reads off of this.
If he's Mafia, great. I would be DEPRESSED to let him slip through our fingers now.

I want Rajam to claim now, and Rajam, I strongly feel you should claim before we lynch you, especially if you're actually town.

 

[Overswarm]

rajam (3) - .joel, Pierce7D, DMG
Pierce7D (2)- Shaya, Chibo
Shaya (1) -edreesespieces,
Chibo (1) - Rajam

Time periods
Present: 1000 A.D. - Pierce7D, .joel
Pre-historic: 65,000,000,000 B.C.- Chibo


Not voting:
Adumbrodeus

A deadline is set for Monday, June 7th, at 3:00 p.m. EST

With 8 players remaining, it takes 5 to lynch.

 

[Pierce7d]

Rajam is voting OS. Also, sweet, I'm going to have a bit of time to check the day after getting back from MLG this weekend. I presume that's why you set the time as is?

 

[Shaya]

Okay.

Edrees, if we decided to vote Rajam I would. I believe he's useless for lylo even though for a bit at least, I believe he's town.
Pierce asked me to vote for him Edrees, even though I've kept my vote on him because I have been putting pressure on him.
Now when it comes to Chibo, Rajam points out something. Chibo indeed voted me weakly day 1 and that really really pissed me off, I -so- would have wanted to lynch him day 1 over SL. He's placed a vote on Pierce after me and said he forgot to after his original "I would be fine too blah". Yet again Chibo is annoying me because he hasn't really said anything about Pierce at all, just threw a weak vote on top. I've been building a case/suspicions of Pierce, which should at least stop people saying "hes a perfect towny"; anyone saying that perplexes me.

You can vote rajam, as can I. I can hardly put the words "suspicious" or "potential scum" on him any more though, I really can't. I would back a lynch for lylo purposes though, or perhaps he would flip scum, he isn't completely clear.
I really don't know what to think about Chibo. If he wants to vote/pressure pierce, fine, but he hasn't done anything to increase his suspicion. His "pro" scum hunting has been his shady vote on me day1, and another shady vote on someone else that I've put a vote on. Did I mention chibo is really annoying me? Please build a case, because I can use the words "suspicious" on Chibo, no doubt.

Hmm, OS has confirmed that Adum can't vote (I don't think he mentioned that in other votecounts?).

 

[Rajam]

I'm down with that Ed, but I think it's more likely that their specific target was protected by either time, Doc, or some other factor. I highly, highly doubt we're totally immune to night kills here. That would be broken.

This. Whoever keeps thinking in this era Mafia can't kill us, isn't thinking of how broken that would be. Edreeses, I think you shouldn't try to go on with the experiment thing. Please, at least if somehow you want to remain here, please do not use you experiment as a reason. Do you still want to go with it anyways, or do you think we shall move to another time period? Which one?

 

[Rajam]

PoC: 12,000 BC

Just picking one. I don't really care if we go to wither 12,000 BC or 600 AD

 

[Rajam]

*wither = either

 

[EdreesesPieces]

you guys convinced me on the time travel thing. It would probably be too broken when I think about it, the game would effectively be over. So yeah that's most likely not it. Kind of an oversight on my part, so I'll move on from that. I'm convinced not to stay in this time period now.

However, I'll still hold back my vote a little between 600AD, 12000 BC and 1000 AD to make sure the will of most players is for 1000 AD I will verbally right now promise to go to 1000 AD (for the chrono doll, since we don't have any reason to travel to another time period as of yet) - once some more of you agree to it as well. It's a one time vote so I'll exercise caution, but I am favoring 1000 AD now.

 

[EdreesesPieces]

Oh and Shaya, I feel you on being weary of calling pierce or treating him like a perfect towny. pierce is toward the bottom of my suspicions list because he's helping town's case a ton and, he's throwing out a ton of info on himself should it come to lylo. So I like his play. However, I'd say Pierce's weaknesses (or things that are somewhat anti town) is mainly his need to rush things. There's plenty of time to gain more information, we don't have to commit to our time votes so early, and we have 8 more days to force a claim out of Rajam, and in the meantime it would be best to gain as much info as many players as possible. Still, Pierce's pushes seem very genuine to be, I'd just prefer he calmed down/slowed it down a bit.

Pierce I'm glad you've agreed to slow it down and for now, focus on pressuring for more scum outside of Rajam. It's appreciated.

Also Shaya, you're response is very satisfactory, that's the kind of response I was looking for, gives me the right info depending on what Rajam and/or you turn should either of you ever be lynched or killed. I'm just trying to establish what every single player's opinion is about every single other player. I realized that I failed to do this in FF6 mafia and it was a major reason scum won, so I'm taking this approach more this game.

 

[Red Arremer]

I've been building a case/suspicions of Pierce, which should at least stop people saying "hes a perfect towny"; anyone saying that perplexes me.

Well, I think everyone who's still alive made suspicious moves, and there's no such thing as a perfect townie, because everyone errs at times. However, I think that Pierce is one of the more helpful players, especially toDay (Day 1 was a bit much about flavor).

I still don't like that he's been clearing out adumbrodeus so much, they might be masons or it might be that they're both mafia.

I also don't like your kindasorta defense of Rajam, Shaya. Scum knows that usually, they'll have to sacrifice a member of them in order to survive, so if Rajam is scum and has partners, he isn't getting defense because the other mafia know that defending him vigorously would basically be saying "oh hai i'm scum". However, you are after all defending him by pointing out that his best defense is noone defending him. So basically you are defending Rajam, which kinda pictures you as possibly being in cahoots with him.

 

[CT Chia]

Sorry I haven't talked all day guys, I've still been reading mostly, but busy this morning with my family and been writing a speech most of tonight besides moving stuff back up to college. I spent some time in my other mafia game because the deadline for that was tonight and will catch up here again tomorrow.

 

[Shaya]

That "kindasorta" defence should have been obvious to anyone, I did happen to point it out fully knowing it may "make me look like I'm defending him". But if you haven't noticed, saying it stopped Pierce who was making nearly every indication that he was ready to lynch Rajam ("dirt on his shoes" or something similar?).
Now maybe if I hadn't had said it at all Rajam would have been lynched already, then we would have been waiting for Pierce's "oops" tomorrow for rushing in (sound familiar?), this is assuming rajam isn't mafia. We'd also be going to a time period in which Pierce stated "town supported" but only him, yourself and adum actually agreed (or perhaps EOT considering some people's already apparent distrust) However what I did slowed Pierce down, if he's scum and Rajam was lynched and flipped town, would I still have trouble convincing you that Pierce isn't squeaky clean?

Also I really don't like both you (with this recent one) and many of Pierce's "thoughts of a mafia player" in a lot of posts.
"Scum knows that usually, they'll have to sacrifice a member of them in order to survive, ... defending him vigorously would basically be saying "oh hai i'm scum""
"So basically you are defending Rajam, which kinda pictures you as possibly being in cahoots with him."
So not defending him = possible scum
Defending him = possible scum

Vigorously defending could also be mason partners, cop or "OS information" (like what I had in FF6). Are you purposely ignoring these things to spread ignorance?

You know I ended up "trying" to defend Reflex, adum and wasn't keen on lynching Chibo in FF6. Adum because he knew "Cyan" and my role knew Cyan would be town. Chibo because swordgard (who I knew was town) was defending him. Reflex because I felt he was being rushed to lynch instead of being asked for a role claim. I tried to slow down people's rushing into lynches the entire game because SCUM GET AWAY WITH THINGS OTHERWISE.

 

[Shaya]

Also I really can't put much more time into this for the rest of the day, I have an assignment due at midnight. (7 hours from now).

 

[Pierce7d]

Eh, I feel where you're coming from Shaya, but I've been trying to get a claim on Rajam for a while now, and it hasn't happened.

 

[Pierce7d]

Also, I'm still fully prepared to lynch Raj, I simply cannot proceed without 5 votes on him, as previous mentioned. Adum claims he cannot vote, Raj cannot vote for himself. That leaves 6 players, with 5 votes needed. If two people decide not to cooperate, I'm stuck waiting. So far, I just want to push Rajam to L-1 with a voter on standby, so I can at LEAST get a claim. Hell, after that, I'm totally down for lynching Chibo first.

Raj does have to go though.

 

[Pierce7d]

Also, if Raj is scum, it's more likely that scum detects Raj is too far on the hook to try and salvage him now without overly risking their own necks. Consider this flow of play:

Raj performs noobishly, and poorly.
We detect he's scum
Mafia buddy(s) are like, "Whoa, chill, it's done like this"
Raj cleans up his play
We still suspect him
Mafia tries to distract us from him, but it generally fails.
Mafia isn't willing to go much farther, suspecting it's of little use.

Seems REASONABLE to me. I'd like to see Rajam's performance in the next mafia game, now that he's got some experience under his belt, but right now, he's too risky to bank on being town. At this point, I would prefer 1000x over to lynch him and he's town, then to not lynch him, and he's mafia. I felt the same way about Shadowlink. Might I also remind you that had I not pressured the lynch on Shadowlink, Rajam probably would have been lynched day one ANYWAYS.

My primary suspect right now is Chibo, and then you and DMG are fishy in a more subtle type of way. Your activity is sketchy as hell. I like what you're saying, but it's not coupled with enough activity or scum hunt for me to get a good read on you, and that makes me not trust you. Same with DMG, AND DMG's power smells fishy as hell. Between the 4 of you, if I don't hit one scum, I'll just admit I'm horrible at playing town. .joel, Adum and Edrees could be mafia blending and trying to get on my good side to throw me off balance, but if that's the case, why has town been so suspicious, that the only people I think are probably town, are mafia?

I'm going to just stick to the conclusions I've come to, because it seems others have been matching those conclusions, and trusting the scumtells and my instincts seems like a more reliable way to play then just guessing that everyone is bad or WAY better than me at Mafia, and I'm totally wrong.