Red Arremer
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also, seeing how most roles seem to have boons to their character when they get into the home period, DMG probably will benefit from this somehow, since he's Lucca and all.
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Chrono Trigger Mafia: Omni and Scamp Win! Adumbrodeus wins!
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adumbrodeus
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... same stunt? What stunt?
Very odd, though I find it amusing that you're parroting my cautions about alignment for people who this happens to and using them as an accusation, I never claimed that this proves anything, what I ATTEMPTED to do was use it to gain information, be a pro-town player, like I've done with everything else and I certainly never attempted to start a pity party.
Your play is very erratic and you have yet to provide a solid justification for why I'm actually scum (as opposed to why actions I've made could possibly be performed by scum).
Red Arremer
Smash Legend
distracting people from scumhunting by putting less important side-facts into the foreground.
Joel's post did make sense to me, I vote for people to get them just to post too, then I switch my vote off. I was surprised that he agreed with me on Rajam so quickly, but then again, Rajam acts scummy and confusing as heck so it's not a stretch.
Pierce I can't believe you voted for 1000 AD so soon without doing what you did last Day and making sure you had people on board. I do NOT think we should go back to 1000D just because we think a Crono doll might be there since it is in the game. Last day, we chose a destination WITHOUT considering flavor by avoiding everyones first choice. I hope we can again come to an agreement on a time period based on a non flavor reason once again as that is the smartest way to do it. I'm surprised you were so quick on your vote considering how careful you were last time...bit bothersome to me, the change in behavior.
I DON"T think OS titles the thread "Just for fun" He NEVER did that in his FF6 mafia game. He always made the title releveant to the last actions and events of the game. When Day 1 ended he did that again, right? He said SL, Omni and Scamp died? Or did he? Can't remember that one. But I think it does really mean something consideriing the trend of how he always has named thread titles.
I think there's a few key pieces of evidence that suggets mafia can only kill in certain time periods
-The fact that we can even kill a time period at all
-No night kill last night
-The fact that someeone has the ability to block time periods. I doubt this role would be created unless it made a significant impact.
It's just a theory, but I think these reasons are ENOUGH to keep in mind this idea, it might come in handy as we test more time periods.
I am in favor of 12,000 BC or 600 AD. We can't go to the future since its blocked, and I'd prefer to try to find the doll or test a new time period.
Rajam can you hurry up and defend yourself? I'd like to keep u at lynch -2 until you do so, but i'd like to pressure some other players with votes soon but I'm not doing it until you give me some reason not to suspect you anymore for now. Chime in.
I'm still unsure whether to believe Adumb on his claim, but I feel pretty neutral on him. Let's see what happens next day and see if someone else is vote blocked or "survives an attack" His initial claim made me suspicious, but the last few posts feel genuine, esp about pointing out that he had to bring it because eventually someone would be like WTF, why aren't you voting - that would look way worse, so I don't see him bruinging it up as a way to avoid a lynch very likely, esp considering he had no reason to think he was going to be lynched anytime soon. If he honestly can still vote and is making this shiz up, why the heck would he blow the amazing cover he built up day 1? Makes me think he's prob telling the truth. If i were scum and i was blending in day 1 (he received very few votes) i would not make up the crazy **** he posted about being attacked , and surviving and not being able to vote. It draws too much attention and I think scum wants to avoid that.
The people trying to avoid attention are Rajam, and to a smaller extent Shaya, Joel and DMG and DMG I feel is likely town.
Here's a question I think will benefit us all later down the line:
Who do you all think is most likely town and why?
I've done a good job in this post answering this question and I hope you guys can do the same. I have strong town reads on Pierce, and DMG. I'm neutral on Adumb, Joel, Shaya Negative no Rajam, Chibo. Did I miss someone?
Pierce I can't believe you voted for 1000 AD so soon without doing what you did last Day and making sure you had people on board. I do NOT think we should go back to 1000D just because we think a Crono doll might be there since it is in the game. Last day, we chose a destination WITHOUT considering flavor by avoiding everyones first choice. I hope we can again come to an agreement on a time period based on a non flavor reason once again as that is the smartest way to do it. I'm surprised you were so quick on your vote considering how careful you were last time...bit bothersome to me, the change in behavior.
I DON"T think OS titles the thread "Just for fun" He NEVER did that in his FF6 mafia game. He always made the title releveant to the last actions and events of the game. When Day 1 ended he did that again, right? He said SL, Omni and Scamp died? Or did he? Can't remember that one. But I think it does really mean something consideriing the trend of how he always has named thread titles.
I think there's a few key pieces of evidence that suggets mafia can only kill in certain time periods
-The fact that we can even kill a time period at all
-No night kill last night
-The fact that someeone has the ability to block time periods. I doubt this role would be created unless it made a significant impact.
It's just a theory, but I think these reasons are ENOUGH to keep in mind this idea, it might come in handy as we test more time periods.
I am in favor of 12,000 BC or 600 AD. We can't go to the future since its blocked, and I'd prefer to try to find the doll or test a new time period.
Rajam can you hurry up and defend yourself? I'd like to keep u at lynch -2 until you do so, but i'd like to pressure some other players with votes soon but I'm not doing it until you give me some reason not to suspect you anymore for now. Chime in.
I'm still unsure whether to believe Adumb on his claim, but I feel pretty neutral on him. Let's see what happens next day and see if someone else is vote blocked or "survives an attack" His initial claim made me suspicious, but the last few posts feel genuine, esp about pointing out that he had to bring it because eventually someone would be like WTF, why aren't you voting - that would look way worse, so I don't see him bruinging it up as a way to avoid a lynch very likely, esp considering he had no reason to think he was going to be lynched anytime soon. If he honestly can still vote and is making this shiz up, why the heck would he blow the amazing cover he built up day 1? Makes me think he's prob telling the truth. If i were scum and i was blending in day 1 (he received very few votes) i would not make up the crazy **** he posted about being attacked , and surviving and not being able to vote. It draws too much attention and I think scum wants to avoid that.
The people trying to avoid attention are Rajam, and to a smaller extent Shaya, Joel and DMG and DMG I feel is likely town.
Here's a question I think will benefit us all later down the line:
Who do you all think is most likely town and why?
I've done a good job in this post answering this question and I hope you guys can do the same. I have strong town reads on Pierce, and DMG. I'm neutral on Adumb, Joel, Shaya Negative no Rajam, Chibo. Did I miss someone?
-The fact that we can even choose and vote on time periods at all* fixing typo/error
I apologize run on sentences. I was basically thinking out loud, and it's almost 4am. bedtime. I hope I can post once or twice tomorrow, as I said, i'm on vacation away from home (=
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I'm getting kinda a town read from Adum, but I don't feel Adum and .joel are on the same side, and I'm flipping back and forth on .joel. I'm also considering it's a ploy, since they both know Rajam is our main target anyway, or they're both town with bad reads. .joel KNOWS that we're going to suspect him if we think Adum is town (which isn't necessarily true for the flip based on the way things played out).
Shaya says good stuff, but doesn't put himself out here enough to get a decent feel on. I'm not putting you (Ed) down for totally clear yet, but you're one of the cleaner players in the game. Shaya's behavior is the definition of blending, but he's also using the same style from last game, and I believe he was town then, so I'm taking it slow with him.
As for my vote? We're already getting pretty close to lynching Raj. The circumstances are very different than day one. I'll compare and contrast, and you'll understand why I voted to travel the way I did.
Before 11 players and little info being day one
Now, 8 players and lots of information
Before, lots of time before anyone was close to lynch, many lynch candidates.
Now, one major lynch candidate sitting on L-2
Before, absolutely no clue in which direction to go.
Now, Overswarm explicitly letting us know there is a Chrono Doll which can resurrect a powerful town member.
If I were to have voted Raj without voting a time zone, he'd be at l-1. Anybody who hadn't voted could just drop a vote + timezone bomb. I'm weary of a double voter, but it's still kinda early in the game for them to use that kind of power yet without getting lynched.
Already, a reasonable number of people have said they are in favor of going back to see if we can find the Chrono Doll. Either three or four people already made this claim. At this point, I consider that a reasonable backing, and if people flake just because I didn't double check, I'll be heavily suspicious of them. It's an obvious course of action, with a reasonable amount of popularity, and I'm not going to wait for Mafia to be able to get the jump on us since Rajam is on the chopping block.
DMG is most likely clean. I really hope we didn't mess up this read, because it could be game loss, but for now, he seems safe.
Chibo is kinda pissing me off simply because he's not delivering the the scumhunt that was promised. However, I don't think Mark is stupid enough to be Mafia, and look that fishy. Still, he's high up on the radar. It's more of the same from last game, and he was town then, but we would've never known that if Swordgard didn't have to get himself KILLED to prove it, and I'm hoping Chibo will just step it up, or we might have to lynch him just based off silly/suspicious play.
Rajam smells like the bottom of my shoe. Once again, he's one of those players where, even if he is town, I feel safer not having something so suspicious looming around all the time.
If I could lynch people in my preferred order based off everyone right now, it would be:
Rajam
.joel
Chibo
Shaya
Edreese
Adum
DMG
Pierce
Shaya says good stuff, but doesn't put himself out here enough to get a decent feel on. I'm not putting you (Ed) down for totally clear yet, but you're one of the cleaner players in the game. Shaya's behavior is the definition of blending, but he's also using the same style from last game, and I believe he was town then, so I'm taking it slow with him.
As for my vote? We're already getting pretty close to lynching Raj. The circumstances are very different than day one. I'll compare and contrast, and you'll understand why I voted to travel the way I did.
Before 11 players and little info being day one
Now, 8 players and lots of information
Before, lots of time before anyone was close to lynch, many lynch candidates.
Now, one major lynch candidate sitting on L-2
Before, absolutely no clue in which direction to go.
Now, Overswarm explicitly letting us know there is a Chrono Doll which can resurrect a powerful town member.
If I were to have voted Raj without voting a time zone, he'd be at l-1. Anybody who hadn't voted could just drop a vote + timezone bomb. I'm weary of a double voter, but it's still kinda early in the game for them to use that kind of power yet without getting lynched.
Already, a reasonable number of people have said they are in favor of going back to see if we can find the Chrono Doll. Either three or four people already made this claim. At this point, I consider that a reasonable backing, and if people flake just because I didn't double check, I'll be heavily suspicious of them. It's an obvious course of action, with a reasonable amount of popularity, and I'm not going to wait for Mafia to be able to get the jump on us since Rajam is on the chopping block.
DMG is most likely clean. I really hope we didn't mess up this read, because it could be game loss, but for now, he seems safe.
Chibo is kinda pissing me off simply because he's not delivering the the scumhunt that was promised. However, I don't think Mark is stupid enough to be Mafia, and look that fishy. Still, he's high up on the radar. It's more of the same from last game, and he was town then, but we would've never known that if Swordgard didn't have to get himself KILLED to prove it, and I'm hoping Chibo will just step it up, or we might have to lynch him just based off silly/suspicious play.
Rajam smells like the bottom of my shoe. Once again, he's one of those players where, even if he is town, I feel safer not having something so suspicious looming around all the time.
If I could lynch people in my preferred order based off everyone right now, it would be:
Rajam
.joel
Chibo
Shaya
Edreese
Adum
DMG
Pierce
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Also, I don't think the ability to block timezone is that unusual. Considering the fact that it's a feature of the game, I expect many people to have abilities based on it, and I pretty much already figured SOMEONE could block a timezone.
Red Arremer
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why thanks for saying adumbrodeus is pretty much confirmed town.
i love how you are COMPLETELY ignoring my points of him distracting extremely on Day 1 and starting off the same on Day 2.
while i do get strong town reads from you, Pierce, i'm suspicious by how high you hold adumbrodeus albeit him being a major distraction for town with almost each of his postings. i don't like that.
FoS: Pierce
i love how you are COMPLETELY ignoring my points of him distracting extremely on Day 1 and starting off the same on Day 2.
while i do get strong town reads from you, Pierce, i'm suspicious by how high you hold adumbrodeus albeit him being a major distraction for town with almost each of his postings. i don't like that.
FoS: Pierce
adumbrodeus
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I think this IS an important fact for a couple of reasons.
1. It explains my absence of votes, so that defending myself from it later doesn't distract from scumhunting.
2. I doubt I'm the only person who will be effected by this, since Pierce made the assumption that it clears people, I think it's a worthwhile to point out that we have no evidence to that effect. I doubt this is the only time this ability will come into play.
3. (and probably most important) Night ability analysis is the bread and butter of mafia games, because that's the strongest way to find scum combined with scumhunting. Figuring out what side or sides this power is tied with will be essential to put our day actions in prospective and find scum.
And now a little flavor talk:
Considering the identities on the two neutrals we've seen, thoughts on neutrals in this game in general?
As for people...
Rajam is either scum or playing VI to a ridiculous degree, having him around would make lylo impossible.
Joel I think is town, he seems to be playing a very tunnel-heavy townie convinced of my guilt because he see all of my actions as scummy.
Not sure on Pierce or Edreeses
Chibo I still have the same issue with him as last round, he doesn't seem to be contributing substance.
Shaya and DMG we need to hear more from, for different reasons. DMG's claim is very unlikely to be a safe-claim and he's proven his ability, so him playing a strong game would benefit us immensely. Shaya needs to speak more if he wants to avoid the noose.
FoS: Shaya
What's your opinions on me, Rajam, and Joel?
Why only those three adum?
Going from Pierce's list, as it was right there listing all current players in the game
Rajam is a new player, this being his first game. From the start I have given him quite a bit benefit of the doubt because of this; he was slow in keeping up with the game (obvious by his "scum hunt" posts bringing up posts/discussions from well earlier in the day), however; a lot of it was thoughts on flavour or things that had been brought up already. Towards the end of the day he smacked SL with another notion of "scum tell" due to specifically discussing independents; which he was using to accuse Edrees (right?) earlier. I thought, and defended Rajam because of it, that his point brought up was due to him taking reading extremely slow; however Pierce and Omni (and eventually Edrees more succinctly) felt that his game had improved too drastically/he was being helped through outside means (I thought the formers were insinuating him cheating), potentially through a masonry or mafia connection. The idea was set at least.
By sheer irony really, Omni was revealed to be a mason; and whilst last game had two mason groups, I feel it is a lot less likely this time around (with less players). Rajam was quiet for the rest of that day after those accusations, and jumped into day two with accusing me of who knows, really. I retorted with pressure and I personally want to know what he is doing [thinking or knowing]/why is he playing this way. He is becoming a main focal point of the day thus far (already at L-2) but still hasn't replied to me/others, he was last online 8 hours ago though, and should have seen he had 2 votes at that point. What I find perplexing is that no one is really defending him, just about every player (I haven't seen DMG say anything, at least) has stated they would be willing to lynch him.
Shadowlink was lynched yesterday, with the only one defending it was Omni (because he wasn't there to "role claim"). SL was the "last option" brought back into the light by Pierce. Would Rajam be exactly the same?
.joel, I honestly don't know. You asked me for my specific thoughts and he is one of the current players I probably have the least thought of. He has an on going confrontation with you, said some extremely stupid and immature stuff day one that really annoyed me (which hell I'm still thinking is a post restriction or something; I -think- its reminding me of Marle's immaturity perhaps [or the bad guy who wanted to kill crono for "kidnapping" marle]). Other than that, he thinks adum is surely scum. Role guessing aside, I can't put my finger on him. Both are not exactly building up cases against each other. Joel has stated observations that I don't see as "scum tells" as he does. If either were mafia I'd perhaps think the other was too. The whole thing does seem almost too much of "reverse psychology".
Chibo I thought was scum. If people look at my day 1 posts to Chibo, I had taken his time vote for 2300AD as anti-town and the coincidence of it all as a scum-tell. I was wary of SL like many, but I thought Chibo would have been a better lynch (as I thought they were both scum trying to hide their connection / had outside conversation). If SL had flipped Mafia I would still be on his case today; he did end up voting for SL though. Even though I didn't think Rajam was having a out-side game communication (through masonry/mafia) because it didn't occur to me, I thought that SL and Chibo were. Chibo threw out a statement something along the lines of "willing to lynch" Pierce earlier today. Still not being as strong/assertive as I would expect though. This in itself irks me. I think of experienced players differently, and since FF6 where I felt it extremely odd that Marc wasn't being helpful to town at all, I'm automatically suspicious of someone with similar conditions.
Shaya didn't vote anyone yesterday. Adum has suggested that he is unable to vote at all today, with fear of death. He said that he's wondering if it will be an ongoing thing and was curious of anyone else spending a day not voting yesterday or in the future. I can say now that I had no such restriction yesterday.
Edreese isn't here on weekends... Has been generally level-headed, but I don't think he's been any more useful than myself thus far. He was one of the first to vote for SL yesterday I think, or at least show the most suspicion of DMG early (and ended up having his vote remain on him). I can't really give much opinion on him otherwise, I haven't seen noticeable connections between himself and others (except maybe Pierce).
Adum - was injured but not killed, loses voting ability on (as he puts it) punishment of death. Joel is on him like nothing else, basing a lot of it on his play style. Even though to me it's obvious that last mafia game adum was being stupid (willing to let himself be killed to prove a point) and he isn't doing something like that today (is that what the arguments are based on or what? Could someone point me in the right direction here). A lot of my thoughts are conjoined with joel atm anyway. However, with all of your posts, I'm still not sure your scum hunting...
DMG I have already stated my thoughts earlier... But he has been pretty useless/quiet in everything. I do think he's town but I'm definitely not 100% on that, considering OS's "picks" for Mafia last game. I would like DMG to be more active too... If he's this useless now, how would he handle lylo? I have no idea what time periods mafia wants, and as his ability is night time related, at this point, I will think VERY suspiciously of any one person telling them what to do with their ability.
Pierce,
He lead the lynch on Shadowlink, which now upon a fresher look has things to consider. Both of their elongated arguments were completely flavour, and from that in itself it would seem improbable about who was more "town" or not from just that. The winner of the argument, Pierce, was obvious though, it was easy to win considering he had not thrown a time period vote (2300AD, which had a second suspicious vote on top of it) and had said something completely flavour related under all of the pressure as for his reasons for voting for the period. He had requested to be replaced, and many unvoted/chose someone else because they wanted the role claim/a better player. DMG became the target and role claimed, and out of a last moment desperation we decided to lynch SL, this was spearheaded by Pierce though. Actually a few positives came out of this lynch by fluke, we lost two independents, and by the most luck of all SL was Crono, who we can bring back to life.
Within the DMG chaos though, something that has annoyed me since came about. Pierce jumped in to tell DMG what time period to block, he didn't ask what town thought, and I believe the question was asked and answered that his period ban would come up the next day (so in my opinion, we didn't need to know what time period would be banned). Pierce picked 2300AD which was what Crono was after. If Pierce is mafia, he knew that SL wasn't mafia, at the least. He banned a period which may perhaps, have many benefits for town. However, he can easily state that he couldn't have known, but still personally forcing the decision on DMG himself is irking.
Today Pierce is leading the charge for time periods as well. Yesterday I was fine with the pierce/omni deal, but today I am -very wary-, due to all things considered above.
Now, I'm not saying Pierce is definitely scum, but I don't think town should be as trusting towards him due to all the circumstances. I'm sure I'm not the only one perplexed at the moment.
Let's pray for no massive grammatical fails.
Going from Pierce's list, as it was right there listing all current players in the game
Rajam is a new player, this being his first game. From the start I have given him quite a bit benefit of the doubt because of this; he was slow in keeping up with the game (obvious by his "scum hunt" posts bringing up posts/discussions from well earlier in the day), however; a lot of it was thoughts on flavour or things that had been brought up already. Towards the end of the day he smacked SL with another notion of "scum tell" due to specifically discussing independents; which he was using to accuse Edrees (right?) earlier. I thought, and defended Rajam because of it, that his point brought up was due to him taking reading extremely slow; however Pierce and Omni (and eventually Edrees more succinctly) felt that his game had improved too drastically/he was being helped through outside means (I thought the formers were insinuating him cheating), potentially through a masonry or mafia connection. The idea was set at least.
By sheer irony really, Omni was revealed to be a mason; and whilst last game had two mason groups, I feel it is a lot less likely this time around (with less players). Rajam was quiet for the rest of that day after those accusations, and jumped into day two with accusing me of who knows, really. I retorted with pressure and I personally want to know what he is doing [thinking or knowing]/why is he playing this way. He is becoming a main focal point of the day thus far (already at L-2) but still hasn't replied to me/others, he was last online 8 hours ago though, and should have seen he had 2 votes at that point. What I find perplexing is that no one is really defending him, just about every player (I haven't seen DMG say anything, at least) has stated they would be willing to lynch him.
Shadowlink was lynched yesterday, with the only one defending it was Omni (because he wasn't there to "role claim"). SL was the "last option" brought back into the light by Pierce. Would Rajam be exactly the same?
.joel, I honestly don't know. You asked me for my specific thoughts and he is one of the current players I probably have the least thought of. He has an on going confrontation with you, said some extremely stupid and immature stuff day one that really annoyed me (which hell I'm still thinking is a post restriction or something; I -think- its reminding me of Marle's immaturity perhaps [or the bad guy who wanted to kill crono for "kidnapping" marle]). Other than that, he thinks adum is surely scum. Role guessing aside, I can't put my finger on him. Both are not exactly building up cases against each other. Joel has stated observations that I don't see as "scum tells" as he does. If either were mafia I'd perhaps think the other was too. The whole thing does seem almost too much of "reverse psychology".
Chibo I thought was scum. If people look at my day 1 posts to Chibo, I had taken his time vote for 2300AD as anti-town and the coincidence of it all as a scum-tell. I was wary of SL like many, but I thought Chibo would have been a better lynch (as I thought they were both scum trying to hide their connection / had outside conversation). If SL had flipped Mafia I would still be on his case today; he did end up voting for SL though. Even though I didn't think Rajam was having a out-side game communication (through masonry/mafia) because it didn't occur to me, I thought that SL and Chibo were. Chibo threw out a statement something along the lines of "willing to lynch" Pierce earlier today. Still not being as strong/assertive as I would expect though. This in itself irks me. I think of experienced players differently, and since FF6 where I felt it extremely odd that Marc wasn't being helpful to town at all, I'm automatically suspicious of someone with similar conditions.
Shaya didn't vote anyone yesterday. Adum has suggested that he is unable to vote at all today, with fear of death. He said that he's wondering if it will be an ongoing thing and was curious of anyone else spending a day not voting yesterday or in the future. I can say now that I had no such restriction yesterday.
Edreese isn't here on weekends... Has been generally level-headed, but I don't think he's been any more useful than myself thus far. He was one of the first to vote for SL yesterday I think, or at least show the most suspicion of DMG early (and ended up having his vote remain on him). I can't really give much opinion on him otherwise, I haven't seen noticeable connections between himself and others (except maybe Pierce).
Adum - was injured but not killed, loses voting ability on (as he puts it) punishment of death. Joel is on him like nothing else, basing a lot of it on his play style. Even though to me it's obvious that last mafia game adum was being stupid (willing to let himself be killed to prove a point) and he isn't doing something like that today (is that what the arguments are based on or what? Could someone point me in the right direction here). A lot of my thoughts are conjoined with joel atm anyway. However, with all of your posts, I'm still not sure your scum hunting...
DMG I have already stated my thoughts earlier... But he has been pretty useless/quiet in everything. I do think he's town but I'm definitely not 100% on that, considering OS's "picks" for Mafia last game. I would like DMG to be more active too... If he's this useless now, how would he handle lylo? I have no idea what time periods mafia wants, and as his ability is night time related, at this point, I will think VERY suspiciously of any one person telling them what to do with their ability.
Pierce,
He lead the lynch on Shadowlink, which now upon a fresher look has things to consider. Both of their elongated arguments were completely flavour, and from that in itself it would seem improbable about who was more "town" or not from just that. The winner of the argument, Pierce, was obvious though, it was easy to win considering he had not thrown a time period vote (2300AD, which had a second suspicious vote on top of it) and had said something completely flavour related under all of the pressure as for his reasons for voting for the period. He had requested to be replaced, and many unvoted/chose someone else because they wanted the role claim/a better player. DMG became the target and role claimed, and out of a last moment desperation we decided to lynch SL, this was spearheaded by Pierce though. Actually a few positives came out of this lynch by fluke, we lost two independents, and by the most luck of all SL was Crono, who we can bring back to life.
Within the DMG chaos though, something that has annoyed me since came about. Pierce jumped in to tell DMG what time period to block, he didn't ask what town thought, and I believe the question was asked and answered that his period ban would come up the next day (so in my opinion, we didn't need to know what time period would be banned). Pierce picked 2300AD which was what Crono was after. If Pierce is mafia, he knew that SL wasn't mafia, at the least. He banned a period which may perhaps, have many benefits for town. However, he can easily state that he couldn't have known, but still personally forcing the decision on DMG himself is irking.
Today Pierce is leading the charge for time periods as well. Yesterday I was fine with the pierce/omni deal, but today I am -very wary-, due to all things considered above.
The doll was in 1000AD in the game correct, but where was it said by OS that we have to find the doll Pierce? If this is the case we can assume we need to go to 1000AD, but we do not know (at least I don't, do you?). Pierce's reasons for voting periods early may seem hypocritical, but he is at least correct that Rajam is at L-2 and that time periods need to be dealt with NOW. But I don't want to be lead by Pierce here in just about every time related matter the entire game. I will vote for 1000AD if it becomes our decision... but too much flavour is going on related to it at the moment though.Pierce said:
Now, I'm not saying Pierce is definitely scum, but I don't think town should be as trusting towards him due to all the circumstances. I'm sure I'm not the only one perplexed at the moment.
Let's pray for no massive grammatical fails.
Minor fix.
Wonder if I'll get my post ignored by a one liner like last game (from Marc, btw).
Not sold on the idea of going back to the present unless we are absolutely sure Mafia can't night kill there/they are hampered there. I don't think the doll is there because we started there, OS probably wouldn't have put a powerful revival tool in the place we start at.
I think we should take a look at who voted for where. SL voted for 2300 AD, and he was town. Who voted for 600 AD, Chibo and Raj? Anyone else? Everyone in the end agreed on prehistoric, IDK how easy it would be to sort out town from potential mafia blending in with the votes. Might as well pressure the people that didn't go along with town first.
Vote: FYC Chibosempai
I think we should take a look at who voted for where. SL voted for 2300 AD, and he was town. Who voted for 600 AD, Chibo and Raj? Anyone else? Everyone in the end agreed on prehistoric, IDK how easy it would be to sort out town from potential mafia blending in with the votes. Might as well pressure the people that didn't go along with town first.
Vote: FYC Chibosempai
Chibo went with 2300AD.
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Though I've already voted due to the delicacy of the situation, I'm fine with going to 600 A.D., and had actually hoped to go there Day 3, but I really do want to look for that Chrono Doll, and Flavor is our only lead. The way I was reading it, MOST people seemed to share this sentiment, so I don't know why people are waiting until AFTER I cast a travel vote, since we're already at L-2 on Raj, and I haven't even voting on him yet, to come out and say that my voting was premature. None of your decisions seem to have been influenced by anything that happened today, so you could have come out with your voting opinions earlier. Shaya, you say you don't feel comfortable with me leading the time-travel wagons, but yet you all seem to be waiting on me to round everyone up, gather opinions, etc, before taking action. I wouldn't be leading anything if all players just came out on their own and stated their opinions of where we should time travel. I would think it's very obvious that I don't have any time travel motives other than finding the Chrono Doll, considering that I've already stated that I want to travel to as many different regions as possible, and my first choice was EoT, and now I'm voting to go right back where we started.
The more .joel posts, the more town I think he is. I hear everything you're saying .joel, and I was largely ignoring you to see how you'd respond, but you seem to respond in a town like way. I actually picked it up off Chibo, who mentioned that my frustrated tone was a town tell, and now I've detected the same in you. I'm not completely convinced that you're town, but you're not a top lynch candidate at the moment.
Shaya still with that blending. Comes out with a beautiful post, and matches my thoughts on several topics, but has still yet to show a willingness to actively scum hunt. As my suspicion on others lowers, it raises with you.
DMG is once again coming into light of suspicion, when I take activity into play. He was pressured into claiming AND PROVING THE CLAIM because he was so inactive, and he's STILL inactive. If I were in DMG's situation and town, I'd have started speaking up. His ability is out in the open, so we know it's him. Is he just trying to lay low and backstab us, revealing his mafia colors when it's too late?
Chibo is kinda fishy, because as Shaya mentioned, he kinda suggested it would be okay to lynch me, but then when everyone else kept following my lead, Chibo was like, "Oops, better not follow that path" and let it slip under the table. If he was town and scum hunting like he said he would, and he thought I was scummy, he would not have let it go so easily. It's more of a scum thing to see that, "Oh, this player is too powerful to touch during the day right now. Let's wait till night, or plant smaller seeds of distrust to get him later." To me, Chibo's play seems pretty scummy, and he's not even very active. Actually, the more I think about it, the more I feel he's my second lynch candidate after Raj.
So, after these last few posts, now my list is looking more like this:
Rajam
Chibo
Shaya
.joel
Edrees
Adum
DMG
Pierce
but I really am iffy on everyone right now. If DMG would start to perk up, Shaya and Chibo would start to scum hunt, Edrees would be home and more active, and .joel to give me more of this high quality town read, then I'd be able to start trusting some people. As it stands now, I'm not really feeling anyone is clear.
Adum, if you want to stay in my good books, I'm relying on some high quality scum hunt from you.
@DMG, why do you think it's unlikely that the Chrono Doll would be hidden where we started? In fact, outside of the huge flavor clue (because that's where it is in the game) that would be a clever spot to hide it. Also, Chrono is from that time period.
If we aren't to travel to 1000 A.D. (but I hope we do) I also back 600 A.D., as Omni wanted to travel there, and he's dead now.
GAME MODERATORS, IT OCCURRED TO ME THAT THE CHRONO DOLL MIGHT BE IN THE TIME ZONE WE'RE CURRENTLY IN BY SHEER CHANCE. IS THERE SOME ACTION WE HAVE TO PERFORM TO LOCATE IT? IF YOU CANNOT ANSWER THIS QUESTION, PLEASE JUST ACKNOWLEDGE THAT YOU'VE READ IT.
The more .joel posts, the more town I think he is. I hear everything you're saying .joel, and I was largely ignoring you to see how you'd respond, but you seem to respond in a town like way. I actually picked it up off Chibo, who mentioned that my frustrated tone was a town tell, and now I've detected the same in you. I'm not completely convinced that you're town, but you're not a top lynch candidate at the moment.
Shaya still with that blending. Comes out with a beautiful post, and matches my thoughts on several topics, but has still yet to show a willingness to actively scum hunt. As my suspicion on others lowers, it raises with you.
DMG is once again coming into light of suspicion, when I take activity into play. He was pressured into claiming AND PROVING THE CLAIM because he was so inactive, and he's STILL inactive. If I were in DMG's situation and town, I'd have started speaking up. His ability is out in the open, so we know it's him. Is he just trying to lay low and backstab us, revealing his mafia colors when it's too late?
Chibo is kinda fishy, because as Shaya mentioned, he kinda suggested it would be okay to lynch me, but then when everyone else kept following my lead, Chibo was like, "Oops, better not follow that path" and let it slip under the table. If he was town and scum hunting like he said he would, and he thought I was scummy, he would not have let it go so easily. It's more of a scum thing to see that, "Oh, this player is too powerful to touch during the day right now. Let's wait till night, or plant smaller seeds of distrust to get him later." To me, Chibo's play seems pretty scummy, and he's not even very active. Actually, the more I think about it, the more I feel he's my second lynch candidate after Raj.
So, after these last few posts, now my list is looking more like this:
Rajam
Chibo
Shaya
.joel
Edrees
Adum
DMG
Pierce
but I really am iffy on everyone right now. If DMG would start to perk up, Shaya and Chibo would start to scum hunt, Edrees would be home and more active, and .joel to give me more of this high quality town read, then I'd be able to start trusting some people. As it stands now, I'm not really feeling anyone is clear.
Adum, if you want to stay in my good books, I'm relying on some high quality scum hunt from you.
@DMG, why do you think it's unlikely that the Chrono Doll would be hidden where we started? In fact, outside of the huge flavor clue (because that's where it is in the game) that would be a clever spot to hide it. Also, Chrono is from that time period.
If we aren't to travel to 1000 A.D. (but I hope we do) I also back 600 A.D., as Omni wanted to travel there, and he's dead now.
GAME MODERATORS, IT OCCURRED TO ME THAT THE CHRONO DOLL MIGHT BE IN THE TIME ZONE WE'RE CURRENTLY IN BY SHEER CHANCE. IS THERE SOME ACTION WE HAVE TO PERFORM TO LOCATE IT? IF YOU CANNOT ANSWER THIS QUESTION, PLEASE JUST ACKNOWLEDGE THAT YOU'VE READ IT.
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I cannot believe I didn't think of this earlier.
DMG, you are proven to have an ability. Typically, these come with posting restrictions. What is your posting restriction?
DMG, you are proven to have an ability. Typically, these come with posting restrictions. What is your posting restriction?
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Oh ****, I forgot to bring up like nearly the most important thought that Shaya provoked.
Rajam's not really receiving any defense. This actually strikes me a very odd now that Shaya brought it to the front of my attention. It would be easy for Mafia to say, "He's new, I think 'X' player is more scummy" if he were also Mafia, but no one really seems to be saying anything to protect him. Instead everyone seems to be going along with a Rajam lynch, which means Mafia's trying to blend in. Even if Rajam was the worst player ever, I doubt Mafia would SCAPEGOAT him just to blend a day. I mean, there would have to be 3 Mafia, and like a voteblocker or double voter to get away with that.
Now, I realize by saying this, I essentially am moving away from the Rajam vote, and hence doing exactly what I accuse Mafia of doing in this situation, so I'm trying to determine whether it might be best to go ahead and lynch him anyways. To be fair, I have a slight suspicion that he's also independent, and there's 2 Mafia and 6 town, but it's really hard to call. It's also possible that Lavos is the only Mafia target in this game, and he's just really broken. I suspect a Lavos and Magus combo for Mafia is the most likely though.
Also if Lavos is a role, I don't think OS would assign it to a newer player, considering how crucial it is for game balance. Overswarm also is NOT in favor of vanilla roles, so I'd assume everyone's got something up their sleeve. So far, we've shown to hit two masons, an anti-kill, we see there's a time traveler blocker, there's potentially someone who can kill you if you vote, I know I have a decent power myself, and that's half the game, and the only half we've seen. Shaya's clever enough to play Lavos, but I'm more suspicious of Ed, Chibo, etc, who has experience.
Ugh, it's hard trying to think as scum to catch scum when I've never played as scum.
Rajam's not really receiving any defense. This actually strikes me a very odd now that Shaya brought it to the front of my attention. It would be easy for Mafia to say, "He's new, I think 'X' player is more scummy" if he were also Mafia, but no one really seems to be saying anything to protect him. Instead everyone seems to be going along with a Rajam lynch, which means Mafia's trying to blend in. Even if Rajam was the worst player ever, I doubt Mafia would SCAPEGOAT him just to blend a day. I mean, there would have to be 3 Mafia, and like a voteblocker or double voter to get away with that.
Now, I realize by saying this, I essentially am moving away from the Rajam vote, and hence doing exactly what I accuse Mafia of doing in this situation, so I'm trying to determine whether it might be best to go ahead and lynch him anyways. To be fair, I have a slight suspicion that he's also independent, and there's 2 Mafia and 6 town, but it's really hard to call. It's also possible that Lavos is the only Mafia target in this game, and he's just really broken. I suspect a Lavos and Magus combo for Mafia is the most likely though.
Also if Lavos is a role, I don't think OS would assign it to a newer player, considering how crucial it is for game balance. Overswarm also is NOT in favor of vanilla roles, so I'd assume everyone's got something up their sleeve. So far, we've shown to hit two masons, an anti-kill, we see there's a time traveler blocker, there's potentially someone who can kill you if you vote, I know I have a decent power myself, and that's half the game, and the only half we've seen. Shaya's clever enough to play Lavos, but I'm more suspicious of Ed, Chibo, etc, who has experience.
Ugh, it's hard trying to think as scum to catch scum when I've never played as scum.
adumbrodeus
Smash Legend
hur? I touched on everybody, yourself included.Why only those three adum?
Going from Pierce's list, as it was right there listing all current players in the game
Speaking of which, are you able to vote? Please show if so.
Not building up cases?
I specifically said on multiple occasions that I think Joel is town, why would I build a case against somebody that I think is town?
If it is reverse psychology, it's WAY too obvious, we'd be stupid to even attempt it.
Well, actually I still don't have particular qualms with being killed, my stupidity was more in terms of tunneling and the like. Also, I think I have a better grasp on what counts as "getting myself killed stupidly", absorbing a NK so a power role doesn't get NK'd = good death, dying so I can place one vote = bad death, things like that. The important thing is to win, who survives on my side is irrelevant.
Question, what are you unsure of in terms of my scumhunting?
As far as Pierce goes, as of this point, I'm more interested in the Chrono dolls and flavor is ALL we have to go on.
As I said, I am unsure of Pierce at the moment, and you certainly have a point, but at the same time, if we go to the present and something bad happens, he becomes a prime lynch target, I'm sure he recognized this, and I doubt he'd be that transparent.
DMG, can you vote, please show it if so?
Red Arremer
Smash Legend
DMG voted in the post you quoted, adumbrodeus.
adumbrodeus
Smash Legend
I must be going insane... I could've sworn that was a FoS.
Carry on.
Speaking of which, I might be able to get on late tonight but other then that, out until I can get some access again.
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lmao I definitely just laughed out loud. I definitely read .joel's post to say
Shaya, if you would? You can vote me if you don't want you vote to have any cues about anything else.
Anyway, I hate having too much on the mind, because I MEANT to have Shaya place a vote somewhere to prove that Shaya can indeed vote.
Shaya, if you would? You can vote me if you don't want you vote to have any cues about anything else.
Red Arremer
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i lol'd at your "fix", Pierce... it might've been going through my mind for the brink of a second... or two... or a few moments. but the post WAS indeed neutral. 
I have a vote on Rajam atm...
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Vote: Pierce7d
Be a few for replying btw.
Be a few for replying btw.
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Ugh, you most certainly did, which is WHY I didn't say anything in the first place. Curse you Adum for confusing me. Very well then, so only Adum is penalized in this time zone. Is there anyone who did not vote in the previous time zone?
Two open windows at once on this!
Pierce, if you read my post well, I did say I didn't vote AT ALL yesterday. But as I also said in that post, I had no restriction.
Pierce, if you read my post well, I did say I didn't vote AT ALL yesterday. But as I also said in that post, I had no restriction.
Please tell me why you're sure of a Crono doll. OS said that players can come back to life, he didn't just say "one role"; do you know how he comes back to life? Does anyone? I played a role last game that was given explicit information (even though it was about players not game mechanics), so I wouldn't put it past OS to give someone that information.
I have said we need to get time periods worked out, but yesterday there were only the "suspicious" time votes before we did anything, and we were at L-2 back then as well (now we aren't by the way).
Are you talking to me here?
Yesterday, 03:29 AM
Talk of going to 1000AD, started about (my time):
Yesterday, 03:29 AM : http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=10383627&postcount=630
Edrees and Chibo had reservations with it.
I got up at about Yesterday, 03:45 PM (first post of the day, woot late night): http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=10386929&postcount=662
Conversation about time period to go to was over, and I had thought it was reasonable that we would skip MORE FLAVOUR for moment and talk about something else.
Yesterday, 07:35 PM http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=10387648&postcount=675 -> was when you voted for present. The only people I saw willing to go there were Joel and adum (did I miss someone else?). Adum can't even VOTE (supposibly).
After my Rajam vote I explicitly said let's work out time periods because in my opinion they ... weren't worked out.
The only people to post before you voted were yourself, adum and joel. I'm really not seeing the "rounding everyone up", taking into consideration opinions, etc, before taking action.Shaya said:
I'm wanting to get Crono back to life as much as the next person. But when we don't know if he's coming back to life by finding his doll (OR EVEN GOING TO A SPECIFIC TIME PERIOD), I'm hesitant on people's motives. As I said I'm not sure if SOMEONE knows something, but if they do, they need to SAY SO.
Willingness? What is this at the moment then? What do you consider scum hunting? Is it arguing flavour with someone for 20+ posts? I find you saying this almost hypocritical.
It's a possibility, as I've said, sure.
Chibo jumped on you for something you said that was similar to this, by the way.
I am pretty sure it's general standard, and something OS can/will confirm, that all roles are random.
Would you also agree I'm clever enough to spot someone who's scum?
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You asked me to talk about specifically those 3. I talked about everyone, including myself.
At this point I'm more concerned with nothing happening at all. If we go to 1000AD and nothing happens (because unless someone says otherwise we have no "information") then it's another "my mistake" from Pierce. If everythings going to be 'flavour', how about the fact that in game you had to go to EOT to get the CHRONO TRIGGER which was just as, if not more important to obtain to revive Crono than his doll?
Adum, I trust your intentions, but I find I haven't become more informed from your scum hunting in day one. That is all.
Red Arremer
Smash Legend
Why we're so sure that there's a chrono doll? Hmm... maybe cause of this?
Though... it might be just me hallucinating.
wow how the hell did i miss that...
As in, I could have sworn I read something along the lines of "Crono can be brought back to life" without the doll part.
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Rajam
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vote: Shaya
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That was to adumbrodeus. I can vote. Also: PoC: Present 1000 AD
I can't check everything in detail very much by now, real life johns, but I'll answer everyone's questions, including Shaya's
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That was to adumbrodeus. I can vote. Also: PoC: Present 1000 AD
I can't check everything in detail very much by now, real life johns, but I'll answer everyone's questions, including Shaya's
CT Chia
Smash Obsessed
What does PoC mean
I've asked this like 20 times lol
I've asked this like 20 times lol
Red Arremer
Smash Legend
it's the timetravel version of FoS, though i forgot what the abbreviation stands for.
Red Arremer
Smash Legend
though that DOES prove that you're not actively participating... <.<
Dekar173
Justice Man
People that say "supposibly" kill me on the inside
CT Chia
Smash Obsessed
I'll post more in a sec, I'm bout to eat dinner. Caught up through page 46 now.
1. I don't want to go to 1000 AD
2. I completely agree with Edrees' suspicions on Pierce on how he went about voting for a time period today
3. Still not feeling Pierce
4. I don't think Rajam should die yet, and nor do I think he should be forced to claim. His play is questionable, but there's no solid scumtell on him yet imo.
I'll ask this again incase people missed it...
Was anyone else attacked at night in any way?
People not in the game plz don't post here.
Request Votecount
1. I don't want to go to 1000 AD
2. I completely agree with Edrees' suspicions on Pierce on how he went about voting for a time period today
3. Still not feeling Pierce
4. I don't think Rajam should die yet, and nor do I think he should be forced to claim. His play is questionable, but there's no solid scumtell on him yet imo.
I'll ask this again incase people missed it...
Was anyone else attacked at night in any way?
People not in the game plz don't post here.
Request Votecount
CT Chia
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Wasn't I voting Pierce? Also can you please include not voting?
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Not that I can see. If you ever see me do a votecount and your vote is missing, tell me the post number if you know it offhand or just type "unvote vote
name)" =P