Chrono Trigger Mafia: Omni and Scamp Win! Adumbrodeus wins!

[Pierce7d]

Ed, I didn't mean to ignore you, I have a bad habit of ignoring things I'm not as suspicious of.

I feel like OS is sticking to keeping things interesting by changing the title day by day. I believe he also did this in FF6 Mafia.

 

[CT Chia]

Vote: Rajam

Forgot to put in my vote. Care to chime in on all that's happened? I still can't get a read on your play at all, as I said my suspicions carry over from Day 1.

Also, I don't buy Chibo's explanation of why his game changed after Omni's death. Even though Omni was indy he was a candidate to be killed by scum too, so it was in his interests to scum hunt., and he helped draw tons of information about lots of us. Chibo seeming "free" now that Omni's gone doesn't sit well with me either, Shaya, despite his explanation of switching things up and playing bad in his last few mafia games, a "slump" is a terrible terrible answer.

Chibo, why was Omni's play "annoying" dude was scumhunting pretty well and calling people out on slips. It's only annoying if you have something to be suspicious for.

You don't fall into "slumps" in mafia games. It's just about posting and thinking. This isn't like, smash or a sport where you start playing bad. All we are doing is typing. I don't like that answer. Can I ask everyone else - did any of you find Omni's play annoying?

FoS: Chibo

I found Omni's play annoying in the BBR games since the first one because of how aggressive and demanding he was in games with a lot of people that were there 1st or 2nd game, and felt like he was trying to control the town which made me feel like he was scum.

You can fall into slumps if you don't feel like reading a lot, putting a lot of effort into your posts, etc.

Was anyone else attacked at all during the night? If so, speak up. If no one else did then I would think it's safe to assume that adum was attacked by scum.

 

[CT Chia]

I think that the doll being in 1000AD is way to obvious imo. If we could just follow flavor like that it makes it too simple. I'm guessing it was either randomly placed by OS, or placed by SL or Lavos.

The Lavos is hiding comment is interesting. Maybe Lavos can't attack us in this time period, and yet we can't kill him either.

I could see this time period being very useful for us.

 

[Rajam]

I found Omni's play annoying in the BBR games since the first one because of how aggressive and demanding he was in games with a lot of people that were there 1st or 2nd game, and felt like he was trying to control the town which made me feel like he was scum.

You can fall into slumps if you don't feel like reading a lot, putting a lot of effort into your posts, etc.

Was anyone else attacked at all during the night? If so, speak up. If no one else did then I would think it's safe to assume that adum was attacked by scum.

I claim that I was not attacked at night

 

[CT Chia]

Fair enough lol, I wasn't either

 

[DMG]

We started off in the present. I doubt there would be a doll in the first place we go to.

I'm assuming it's not here, otherwise OS/someone would have mentioned they found it. It's probably not in EoT, but that's just a guess.

Right now Im more focused on figuring out who is scum, not finding the doll

 

[Pierce7d]

Eh, I'm interested in finding scum, but I really want that Doll. Chrono is confirmed town, and has anti-kill. THAT'S AMAZING, because we're not likely to accidentally lynch him again, and the independents are reduced or eliminated. Having this on our team is really powerful. Also, +1ing the Town team is pretty powerful in itself.

I honestly think the thread title is just flavor. If OS was trying to say something, he'd say it in a post. He's just matching the same thing he did through all of FF6, keeping it interesting. We ALREADY KNEW Lavos was hiding. Anyone trying to push this issue actually looks slightly suspicious to me for trying to distract town with this silliness, when there's so many more legitimate things on the table to be analyzed.

I don't think Chrono Doll is too obvious to be in 1000 A.D.. Consider that there's no way for the GM to know who would die first without creating a rigged game. The first time zone is just as likely as any for it to be. This is one of those incidences where we have NOTHING EXCEPT FLAVOR to go by, and so NOW is when we use flavor as our lead.

Considering the post I linked before, I now strongly feel DMG is town. Considering my own role, the revealed roles, and DMGs role, Omni's post holds a lot of weight.

 

[CT Chia]

It's kind of hard to say considering my role to ppl when we don't know your role (don't tell us what it is though)

I find it unlikely that Chrono Doll is in 1000AD considering Chrono was killed in 1000AD and we were there as he died.

 

[Pierce7d]

It's kind of hard to say considering my role to ppl when we don't know your role (don't tell us what it is though)

I said it as I did rather deliberately.

I find it unlikely that Chrono Doll is in 1000AD considering Chrono was killed in 1000AD and we were there as he died.

Perhaps. We need to discover more about the conditions for finding the doll. Is there a "search" command we use, do we automatically discover it when in the correct time zone, does someone have a particular ability? I'm guessing that OS would have informed us if there were a game command we needed to find the doll. Automatically finding it when in the correct time-zone is eh. It's more likely that one or more players have an ability.

How is the doll found within the game? Perhaps this will be a better clue to who we need, and where it might be found?

Also, don't think this Doll hunt beginning means the scum hunt has ended. Some of you are very fishy to me, but it's one of those times where I'm not going to say much because I am waiting for more people to say more, to get a better feel on this lead.

 

[Red Arremer]

I find it unlikely that Chrono Doll is in 1000AD considering Chrono was killed in 1000AD and we were there as he died.

Night 1 was set in prehistoric, only Day 1 was in 1000 BC.

 

[Red Arremer]

1000 AD, sorry. XD

 

[CT Chia]

Chrono was killed in 1000AD, we lynched him Day 1 when we were in 1000AD.

 

[Pierce7d]

.joel, save the posters for when you're actually correct. Lynches occur at the end of the day, before the night. Day 1 was in 1000 A.D.

I doubt the Chrono Doll was hidden AFTER Chrono died (although perhaps) and I doubt that OS would hide it caring about the timezone we were in.

Can we talk about some of the stuff I brought up last post, about how to retrieve the doll, or scum hunt. Aren't there some players who haven't even posted yet?

 

[Pierce7d]

Hmm, no, I guess the smaller player pool just made me feel that way.

1. Adumbrodeus
2. .joel
4. DMG
6. EdreesesPieces
7. Shaya
8. Chibo
9. Rajam
11. Pierce7D

Also, I suppose everyone has been reasonably active.

 

[Rajam]

idk... Are you sure SL died in present? Shouldn't we ask OS? Can the doll be found in twilight?

Also, could it be possible that the doll can be found only after Chrono is dead? If that's the case, it is not unlikely that the doll is in 1000 AD, so I guess going back to present isn't a bad idea....

I don't know who to point out as scum yet. I guess DMG is mostly town, but I'm not so sure about adumbrodeus though. Even if no one else claims that was attacked in night, it's not crazy to think that the same adumbrodeus is Mafia and (along with his Mafia partners) decided to not attack anyone so adumbrodeus' claim would make him seem as town...

 

[Pierce7d]

Very acute Rajam, I was thinking mostly along the same lines.

I'm afraid DMG's power is only going to useful later in the game if Town cooperates. We won't need anyone to lock off time-zones if we vote together. I'm trying to determine whether that power fits better in Town or Mafia. I don't think giving Lavos/Mafia the ability to block particular timezones would be fair, if we need to travel time to find Lavos, but then, I don't see why you'd even give a townie MORE control over time travel, as if we didn't already have massive ability in controlling it through cooperation. Then again, I suppose there could always be made the case that Mafia can blend in as town, and effectively work together to make very decisive time travel decisions and control the flow of the game, and most abilities seem to work better late game anyway.

Just rambling my thoughts to see if anyone comes up with something I might not have thought of.

 

[Pierce7d]

Also, lynches occur in the day.

OVERSWARM, CAN YOU CONFIRM THAT LYNCHES TAKE PLACE IN THE DAY TIME, AND HENCE, IN THE TIME ZONE WE DECIDED UPON THE LYNCH?

Right now, I THINK DMG and Adum are clear. Everyone else seems just a BIT scummy for different reasons. I dunno if it's just me, or if Shaya is too quiet for me to get a good read on him.

 

[CT Chia]

It's obvious that the lynch occurs in the day... It's not night yet.

 

[DMG]

Yes I am pretty sure that you lynch someone, then night falls, then as Day starts you are 'warped' to the new period.

 

[Rajam]

? We are warped as the night begins, not the day

 

[DMG]

It's after the lynch is over though basically. Whatever period you are in for the day, that is the period they die in if they are lynched that day.

 

[Shaya]

Good morning Pierce.

Yesterday I was waiting for Rajam to actually reply to my post, which he hasn't. Slightly annoyed and have tipped some further suspicion towards him as well. If someone states "you're scum" in more or less words and provides no information/reasoning/deducing for it, all I see is Rajam trying to distract or potentially start a bandwagon (with nothing to substantiate it)

Again, though OS has stated that Chrono can be brought back to life (and other players in the OP), he hasn't given any indication of how. Time Travel, from what I read occurs during the night... UNLESS time travel occurs in twilight, in which -maybe- Chrono was considered to have died in prehistoric.

GM needs to keep things up to date, I saw a few Rajam votes.

 

[adumbrodeus]

I'm interested to know what everyone thinks of the DMG situation and the Adum failed kill situation.

Again, I'd like to point out that there's no reason beyond the flavor of the ability to believe it was an attempt to actually kill me.


While it might have some secondary effect that I'm unaware of, I don't have any reason to

Right now, I THINK DMG and Adum are clear. Everyone else seems just a BIT scummy for different reasons. I dunno if it's just me, or if Shaya is too quiet for me to get a good read on him.

While I appreciate being cleared, I would consider it premature, especially since nobody has answered the question as of yet, and without that information it's impossible to know what faction it's tied to.

For all we know it could be for example, a town ability that tells you if the person you use it on is lavos, and if not, robs them of their vote. Or it could simply be a flavored voteblocker.

In addition I just read over the thread and adumbrodeus' failed attack is very interesting. I'm thinking it was mafia's failed kill attempt - adumb, like he said, wasn't exactly a top scum candidate, and also there was no night kill...so the pieces kind of fit to me. But it still doesn't make sense. The other possibility is a vig kill attempt? And you say you got voteblocked? Can you verify this...try to vote someone, and let's see if OS adds it. I just want to make sure.

This voteblock doesn't function like the snare ability last game.

It functions as a "instant death upon voting". This includes time periods, though it says nothing about FoS/HoS/BoS/whatever of suspicion or my invented equivalent for time periods.



Speaking of which, I really really wanna know if anyone else got this.



Obviously, Joel and Edrees have not been effected, they both voted and I don't see anything from OS saying that either of them died, so it's pretty obvious.


@ Everyone else, please do a random vote if you are able and then unvote in a following double post or do some scumhunting that includes a vote. We NEED to have some idea what faction this is tied with and whether it's possible that it's a NK attempt substitute.


I see a lot of people posting suspicions without a vote, I find that odd, usually people are very willing to throw in pressure voting.



@ Pierce, maybe I'm going out on a limb here... but did you get the same thing? You seem to believe me extremely easily and you had that comment about how it basically clears me. I'm especially interested in seeing if you can vote.

I don't know who to point out as scum yet. I guess DMG is mostly town, but I'm not so sure about adumbrodeus though. Even if no one else claims that was attacked in night, it's not crazy to think that the same adumbrodeus is Mafia and (along with his Mafia partners) decided to not attack anyone so adumbrodeus' claim would make him seem as town...

Possible, but I had no reason to draw attention to myself like this, I think I've been playing smarter then that this game.

Spoiler

*cue joel making a cutting remark*

However, at the moment, drawing any conclusions about it is premature, hence why I want more info, so saying it confirms anything about anyone is WIFORM.



That, and knowing OS, this game is balanced with attempting to break the game in mind, so getting a pattern on these is essential.

 

[Shaya]

@ Everyone else, please do a random vote if you are able and then unvote in a following double post or do some scumhunting that includes a vote.

Well... I'm suspicious enough of rajam, and he still hasn't replied...

Vote: Rajam

For the sake of your argument at the moment...

-

But how do we know you're telling the truth about you dying from voting though?

 

[Shaya]

I believe Rajam is at l-2... do we want the day to move this fast???

I'll be unvoting if I see anyone placing another vote on rajam at this point... We still haven't figured out time period travel.

 

[adumbrodeus]

But how do we know you're telling the truth about you dying from voting though?

That's actually why I'm HOPING somebody else got hit with this. As of right now, it's a claim.


There was no advantage to my personal situation to reveal this entire voteblock situation unless I actually am voteblocked. Remember, I was hyper-pressure happy last round, the fact that I can't vote changes how I can play a lot, and changing it without explaining why is just asking for people to call me out on it. But it draws attention to me, people will be naturally suspicious unless I substantiate it (and the reason I suspect Pierce has the same issue is that he isn't suspicious of it).



Also,


PoC: Present


I'm in agreement, even if he's doing nothing (or WAY too much flavor), a confirmed townie with a kill-all ability would be amazingly useful, and while he may have been killed in the present technically, I doubt a search would take effect post-twilight. Flavor-wise the character that has the doll only exists in this period too.



Unless somebody else complains, as long as scamp is dead, I'll go back to red for flavor.

 

[adumbrodeus]

Yes, I recognize the PoC doesn't matter that much cause I can't actually vote, but whatever, just wanted my opinion known.


Speaking of which...


Voted:

Joel
Edreeses
Shaya

Hasn't voted, but no claim:

Pierce
DMG
Chibo

Claimed to be able to vote, but no vote:

Rajam

Claimed to be blocked:

AdumbroDeus




Since Rajam claimed to be able to vote, I really wanna see him vote, and for the reasons I stated, I really wanna see pierce vote if he is able to.

 

[Pierce7d]

I haven't voted, because I'm trying to decide who my top suspect is. Rajam is up there, but his play is very confusing, and hard to read. I'm too inexperienced to analyze noobs who are random. I'm considering throwing my vote to my vote to lynch him off that alone, but with 8 players, we only need 5 to lynch, and I think he's at 3 or 4 already. It's too early in the day, when there's still so much else to discuss.

Vote: Adumbrodeus

 

[Pierce7d]

Unvote

Is that satisfactory? Now I actually misread what you had said earlier. I didn't even realize that you weren't allowed to vote. It appears you've been injured, lol. You weren't killed, but now you cannot vote? How odd. Is this all the information you can give us?

Right now, I'm rather suspicious of why mafia would attack you on so many angles. That makes me most suspicious of .joel, who hasn't said much.

Vote: .joel

What do you think of the situation .joel?

 

[adumbrodeus]

Ok, thanks. Still waiting on Rajam, DMG, and Chibo.


Pierce, I think that it was one angle, just the voteblocking, though the flavor of the action (that I was attacked and survived) suggests that it might have a secondary effect (or that the voteblocking itself is a secondary effect).


Again, I'd prefer that we avoid assuming that it's a mafia action until we've got a broader pattern of some sort.

 

[Red Arremer]

first of all
unvote

 

[Pierce7d]

@Edrees:
I checked your profile. It said you were online "Today" when I made that post. I wouldn't have posted it if it said you weren't online after OS posted the start of Day 2.

I didn't find Omni's play "annoying" and agree with you that he actively hunted scum etc.

unvote
Vote: Rajam

True, it could simply be a penalty of the time period. Perhaps we'll see by revisiting, and perhaps someone is voteblocked during EVERY time period. I'll have to review and see if there was anyone who didn't vote during 1000 A.D. and after we leave there, if there's anyone who doesn't vote in one of those time periods.

I also find it suspicious that .joel calls out Edrees, but then quickly backs off AND matches his vote? Rajam is the most suspicious, but .joel is my number one scum candidate for today.

 

[Red Arremer]

alright, so here my actual post.

random vote:
Vote: .joel

first of all, i was super busy the whole saturday, so i had no time in writing a lot. first i was out from noon to evening, then there was Eurovision Song Contest, and then i slept. so yea, i wasn't saying much yesterday cause of that.

i'm still suspecting adumbrodeus to not be as innocent as he claims to be. he might be saying the truth about the attack on him or his inability to vote, but keep in mind, he might do it in order to create an image of being town, despite actually being mafia. while adum plays very stupid at times, he still is smart, so he might use this attack to his advantage to distract from himself.

however, rajam still strikes me as the major oddball. he plays incredibly strange, and while some of his posts CAN be explained with him being a newbie, a few still strike me as incredibly scummy overall. i'd say rajam is play of the day.

@Pierce:
my vote was merely to put pressure on edrees to post, his profile said he was online in between the time of OS opening Day 2 and my post, hence i called him out. he posted, so no more reason to push him on his inactivity? what's so scummy about that?

 

[Red Arremer]

Unvote
Vote: Rajam

 

[Pierce7d]

Travel: 1000 A.D.

We have general agreement on this, so let's get the ball rolling. I HEAVILY encourage the rest of you to place your vote here, especially before voting.

.joel, I'm referring to how you matched his vote for Rajam after calling him out. This tactic implies blending, since I believe Ed had the first vote of the day, and definitely the first Rajam vote.

Of course, I realize now that there's a better way to go about this. Why, we have our suspicious noob sitting at l-2 right now? And I haven't even voted yet? I think you better claim up Rajam, unless you're trying to get a one way trip off this island. .joel is scummy, but I could eat off his floors compared to your grime. Who are you, and what are your abilities? Unless you'd rather walk the plank than tell us?

 

[Red Arremer]

i had the first vote of Day 2.

i had voted for adumbrodeus first. but then rajam started posting. i wanted to vote for him at first, but i checked out edrees' profile since he hadn't posted that Day, that's why i called him out. i simply wanted him to be more active, that is all.

rajam attacking shaya like that and posting incredibly strange things makes him fishy to me. that's why i matched my vote with edrees - i agreed with him of rajam being scummy, this has nothing to do with me "blending".

 

[Pierce7d]

Hmm, you're quite correct. My apologies then. Slightly still suspicious of your interactions with Adumbrodeus considering the current situation, but not so much that I'd rather vote you over Rajam.

 

[Red Arremer]

my suspicions from Day 1 still stand, and considering that adumbrodeus is pulling off the same stunt again toDay with his "i'm so poor, i was attacked and can't vote" simply make him very scummy to me, not only because this doesn't say anything about his alignment.

 

[Pierce7d]

Okay, then I'm waiting for the players who have yet to vote to give an opinion on Rajam, and for Rajam to claim.

Also, I'm waiting on people to vote for 1000A.D.. .joel, if you would?

 

[Red Arremer]

yea, as said, it's most likely that the doll is found there, though we won't know until we try, so let's do this.

Travel: 1000 AD