Chrono Trigger Mafia: Omni and Scamp Win! Adumbrodeus wins!

[Shaya]

FOS: Shaya

Care to explain why you didn't vote in day 1, not even once (besides the Travel vote)? The only other person who "did" the same was Scamp, a non-town player

Also, what happened in the night? Who did you try to kill?

I never wanted to vote someone as purely for bandwagoning (like DMG did); and I constantly asked town (and Omni answered. From last game and this one he played a leadership role for town; I had no idea he was independent - even though finding out he was masoned with Scamp makes some really small odd statements make sense) whether I should place a vote on DMG/SL to take it to l-1 because they'd be at l-2 when I would look back. I would have been SL's last vote if when I had refreshed Omni hadn't have done it himself.

I don't know what happened in the night. I don't like what you're saying with the second question either, perhaps you should tell us why you're implying I could night kill?
Asking questions on why things happened as they did for too long only results in going around in circles or be anti-town (because no one would want to say something that would indicate they're doctor/role-blocker).


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Joel, reasons why voting for adum first off the bat?

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time line chat: Options are present (going back), 600AD, 12000BC, or EOT. DMG has seemingly proven his role.
Flavour: Omni/Scamp were "mini-bosses" I believe for the masamune? Were they in 600AD or the present? If it was 600AD it would make sense why both omni and scamp wanted that period.
Even though one question is why Pierce picked 2300AD to block? Somewhat arbitrary.

 

[Red Arremer]

Joel, reasons why voting for adum first off the bat?

my suspicion still stands all up.

 

[CT Chia]

I'm sticking with what I said yesterday for now in that I think scum might lie in those voting for prehistoric for the reasons I said.
joel - unsure of
shaya - have a mediocre feeling from yesterday but not voting at alll feels more cautious townie imo
dmg - confirmed town
pierce - seems to be too commanding in determining time eras while keeping his distance. wanted to go to everything, even eot which I don't think is a good idea. wanted to go to pre historic but woukdnt put his vote down till he had backing (which feels like he wouldn't want blame if something went wrong).

does someone kno the chrono doll thing? I don't remember it from the game.

 

[Red Arremer]

does someone kno the chrono doll thing? I don't remember it from the game.

during the game, chrono dies.
he was killed by lavos in 12,000 BC but can be saved by replacing him with a doll version of himself that is found in 1000 AD before he dies.

 

[Red Arremer]

i mean...
he can be saved by replacing his body with the copy before he is killed. the doll is found in 1000 AD.

i'm starting to write stupidly for it's 1:30 am, lol

 

[DMG]

So I see my slight suspicions of Scamp and Omni turned out to be true.

 

[Cyphus]

they're bi?

 

[Red Arremer]

they're bi?

haha, that made my day, although i hate you cause i have tonsillitis and my throat friggin hurts when i laugh loudly.

 

[Pierce7d]

I actually should have been upfront with my my methods immediately. I wanted to block the time zone that was under the most suspicion from the previous day. This one was voted for and back without much reason, so I figure we'll avoid it for a while.

I suspect the night kill was negated by an ability. Good to know I've got some town on my side playing right.

Chibo, my reason for wanted to go to a time zone has nothing to do with me not getting pegged with the blame. I'll say it right now, that if Mafia gets some bonus here, I was unaware of it, and will accept the heat for it. I just didn't want to WASTE my vote, when I could be voting in sync with the rest of town, which was the plan.

 

[adumbrodeus]

Joel, reasons why voting for adum first off the bat?

He's playing me for this game, actually, that's part of the reason why I get a town read on him this game.

I don't think either he nor SL actually understand proper town play.

Flavour: Omni/Scamp were "mini-bosses" I believe for the masamune? Were they in 600AD or the present? If it was 600AD it would make sense why both omni and scamp wanted that period.

They probably both would have prefered either the dark ages or the middle ages.

Even though one question is why Pierce picked 2300AD to block? Somewhat arbitrary.

If nothing else, he seemed suspicious of SL, which is the most likely reason, unless he has some ulterior motive.




Ok, now for some non-flavor talk...


I got attacked, but not killed obviously. Not sure what the full implications of this are yet, or even who is responsible (my first thought is joel actually since I was neither the cleanest nor most suspicious townie, so only the person who showed obvious distrust had a real reason to go after me unless it's intended to confuse us), but I'm wondering... did anyone else get this?

 

[CT Chia]

About time zones... (avoiding all flavor)

Did anyone notice anything wrong with this time period? Do people believe it's safer to stay in pre-historic if we believe nothing wrong happened, or do we travel to do things like find the Chrono doll?

 

[Pierce7d]

Hmm, well Mafia knows who Mafia is. Since you were not really in the heat of any incident, it's likely for mafia to target you, so it's harder to trace them, but the fact that you're still alive does give us some clues.

 

[CT Chia]

Feeling more comfortable with a Pierce lynch, that last post feels pretty cover-uppy imo. I've seen plenty of scum in tons of games make statements like these.

 

[Pierce7d]

@Chibo

To be honest, this seems safe so far, and to be honest, it occurred to me that the person who was to be lynched gains protection in this period. I do think we should travel though, because Chrono will have super important information. Also, we're not going to lynch him again, so he's VERY dangerous for the independants. I'm actually really mad I lead the lynch on a person with anti-kill ability, but kinda upset that he decided to drop from the game, because it's likely he would have claimed before letting us -2 town. Fortunately, we only -1ed town, and hit two independents. Also fortunate that the player we killed can be resurrected.

I'm in favor of seeking out the Doll.

 

[Pierce7d]

Well Chibo, all I can really say to that is, I'm town, so I really hope we don't waste a lynch on me, since we just lynched Chrono. All I did was tell it like it is, no cover up intended. I mean, I don't really know what to say for you to not suspect me, I've been actively scum hunting, accidentally hit town, but HE WAS ACTING SCUMMY and then went inactive. I've been active in the time zones, because being inactive is bad and I prefer to have some direction. Basically I've just been trying to do something. I've answered all questions and responded to all suspicions pointed at me, and will gladly continue to do so, because I'm town.

 

[Shaya]

Question Chibo,

Since Omni is no longer here, are you suddenly feeling a lot more comfortable with being active?
Yesterday your play style reeked of something bad, but your play today has changed.
Enquiring on your sudden change of tune and boost in confidence.

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Even though a lot of the "time" related conversation was worked out with Pierce and Omni; as in, we as a town figure out a time period to go to and "we want to visit every time period (except maybe EOT)". What are people's thoughts now?

Thus far we have:
dmg: Lucca (Pretty much guaranteed), time period restriction ability (guaranteed), towny (Like 90% guaranteed)
adum: "got attacked, but not killed obviously."
last night was: Prehistoric
Today is: Prehistoric
No night kill

We can only speculate on how all these things mesh together, perhaps related to the time period itself.
But if what adum said was true, I think that type of message is usually received by someone protected by a town doctor, no?

Pierce's last message was... weird. Your response to it is what sparked my first question, really.

 

[CT Chia]

I didn't mention anything about the Shadowlink lynch, I voted for him afterall. I never said he wasn't acting scummy.

But again, interesting you bring that up in defense even though I, nor did anyone else, bring that up...

What information do you think Chrono will have? I don't get it.

Also, does anyone have any idea on what an Anti-Kill Townie exactly is? Could it have just been related to his counter attack ability?

 

[Shaya]

Perhaps anti-kill related to him being able to be brought back to life?

 

[CT Chia]

That last post was directed to Pierce, got ninja'd by Shaya

Question Chibo,

Since Omni is no longer here, are you suddenly feeling a lot more comfortable with being active?
Yesterday your play style reeked of something bad, but your play today has changed.
Enquiring on your sudden change of tune and boost in confidence.

It's because of two reasons, neither though are because of Omni. It was annoying how he was playing imo in this game (and in FF6 mafia) but I play mafia with him all the time, partially why I found his play sort of odd.

I've played a bunch of different styles while playing mafia, and I guess I fell into a slump recently, partially due to my poor performance in ff6 and a couple other dgames. people recently pointed out my drastic change from my better games in the past in another game currently in progress, Mafia Sleepover 3 in dgames, and it kind of got me to kick myself into shape and play well again. That change occured during the night 1 phase in this game lol

The other reason is that we're down 3 players here, and I find it a lot easier to play aggressive and more attentive with fewer players. 11 to 8 is a drastic change, especially with the elimination of a full faction.

 

[CT Chia]

Perhaps anti-kill related to him being able to be brought back to life?

This makes sense. I'm wondering how we find a doll, if someone has a power that finds stuff in whatever time period we are (as in, Chrono can only be brought to life if that specific person is kept alive), or one morning (start of day) we're just alerted all of a sudden that Chrono is back. It really doesn't matter though, it doesn't change the play at all.

Adum - can you explain your situation there further? I really doubt OS was just like "oh you were attacked but your fine" lol. Esp in a flavor game like this, there's bound to be more details. I've been in flavorful games where I was attacked but protected and got pretty detailed information from it.

btw I started replaying CT, this time on DS. man i love this game, it's been like 8 years since i played/beat it

 

[adumbrodeus]

No, I received no message about being protected, my message was that I was killed and that I survived.


What I'm wondering now is whether anyone else got a similar message, and whether there were any other implications.


If it WAS scum, I think I'd be a very odd choice because I certainly wasn't the cleanest target, and I doubt I would be the first choice of a vig either because there were more scummy targets.


As I said, I suspect that whatever it was, Joel is most likely responsible, but similar to why I though SL was town, I think Joel is town.


This is all suspicion of course, nothing is confirmed, but I believe my reads are correct at the moment, and if anyone else had this, we might find a pattern, which would allow us to possibly figure out whether it's scum, town, indy, or possibly all of the above.

 

[adumbrodeus]

Ok, I'll explain a little more, I'm sure you'll notice soon.


I have no vote today.

 

[CT Chia]

You were killed but survived? -_-

Pretty conflicting words lol, I sure hope OS didn't word it that way. Shame on him.

 

[Pierce7d]

Eh, possible theories include him being ROBO, and not being killable in this time period. Or him being someone with an ability to survive a lynch in this time period.
Him being Lavos, and must be lynched to be killed. (unlikely, but it came to mind, so I figure I'd speak it)


And Chibo, I call BS. You put me in the spotlight, I bring up Shadowlink dying as part of my defense, and you say you didn't mention that?? Hell, it did not need mentioning for me to consider it. the toDay just started. I'm not going to pretend that I didn't lead the lynch on Shadowlink. It just happened though, of course I'm going to bring it up. If I left it out, would I not seem equally or even more suspicious for excluding something?

 

[adumbrodeus]

You were killed but survived? -_-

Pretty conflicting words lol, I sure hope OS didn't word it that way. Shame on him.

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Slightly limited access, was waiting on my train, so in a rush to put out the post.


I meant, "I was attacked but survived".


Again, I highly HIGHLY doubt that it was intended to be a NK, I believe it was intended to be a voteblock or has some other effect in addition to voteblocking.




Speaking of which, left my laptop power cable at Pierce's place, so gonna be on V/LA until I get it back.

 

[Red Arremer]

I don't think either he nor SL actually understand proper town play.

that's YOU who's saying that, lol

 

[Red Arremer]

Unvote
Vote: Edrees

You been online, Edrees, but haven't posted here. 'sup?

 

[Pierce7d]

I'm interested to know what everyone thinks of the DMG situation and the Adum failed kill situation.

Shaya, you say you think there's a 90% chance he's town? I don't think that to be the case. So far, he's only proving that he'll do what it takes to save his own skin for a day. Not necessarily that he's town. I peg townies when I see them scum hunting, not saving their hides. Let's assume he's mafia for a moment. How do you think he would have played the situation differently? I don't think he would have played it any differently at all. I'm neutral about DMG at the moment. I don't think I'm going to promote a lynch on him for a while, since his primary ability is public, and hence he will be working for town whether he is mafia or not at least for a little while. But I don't want all of you to suddenly get stuck DMG is guaranteed town and not possibly mafia.

 

[Pierce7d]

Oh Ed, can we get the map of this time period, just for fun?

 

[Red Arremer]

I'm in favor of returning to 1000 AD because this is where the chrono doll is found in the game.

 

[EdreesesPieces]

Unvote
Vote: Edrees

You been online, Edrees, but haven't posted here. 'sup?

When was i online? I traveled up from Socal to Norcal visiting some friends, and I'm on vacation now. However, I can still post a few times a day, until Monday when I get back, I'll be really active again. I don't understand how I was online? I didn't post in the other mafia game I'm doing either.

I'm amazed at how lucky we got that 2 independents are dead as a result of a bad lync choice in our parts (I would have preferred to bangwagon on Rajam rather than shadowlink..) I guess we lose 1 town who can be revived and lose 2 indy's. This is better than a lot of outcomes we could have gotten (like killing an unrevivable townie, and no indies or scum dying) so I'm somewhat satisfied.

Anyway I'm surprised there are no night kills. I wonder if the timeline has anything to do with it? Did we dodge a bullet by coming to prehistoric? I think it's certainly possible and something to keep in mind; if so, it would do us great good to prevent mafia from influencing what time period we travel to.

Would the Crono doll really be in 1000 AD? Seems too simple. It is a flavor reason to go to 1000 AD to get it, but I"m not sure that OS will place it there just because it's there in the game.

As for my suspicions, I'm still displeased with Rajam. I'm not very convinced in his scumhunting, and I feel that we should continue the pressure from the last Day that he was getting.

I'll post more suspicions in a bit as I finish reading the thread.

 

[EdreesesPieces]

As for DMG (and my really dumb mistake of posting at night and not reading the next few posts)...he's proven he wasn't lying about his ability. Also I'm not sure we can verify that he is town based on this or the information he personally revealed, but it seems legit. I'm not so worried about him, but if he starts not posting or acting suspicious again I won't hesitate to press.

In addition I just read over the thread and adumbrodeus' failed attack is very interesting. I'm thinking it was mafia's failed kill attempt - adumb, like he said, wasn't exactly a top scum candidate, and also there was no night kill...so the pieces kind of fit to me. But it still doesn't make sense. The other possibility is a vig kill attempt? And you say you got voteblocked? Can you verify this...try to vote someone, and let's see if OS adds it. I just want to make sure.

Oh and Pierce, here you go. Entering the Prehistoric time period!

 

[EdreesesPieces]

Vote: Rajam

Forgot to put in my vote. Care to chime in on all that's happened? I still can't get a read on your play at all, as I said my suspicions carry over from Day 1.

Also, I don't buy Chibo's explanation of why his game changed after Omni's death. Even though Omni was indy he was a candidate to be killed by scum too, so it was in his interests to scum hunt., and he helped draw tons of information about lots of us. Chibo seeming "free" now that Omni's gone doesn't sit well with me either, Shaya, despite his explanation of switching things up and playing bad in his last few mafia games, a "slump" is a terrible terrible answer.

Chibo, why was Omni's play "annoying" dude was scumhunting pretty well and calling people out on slips. It's only annoying if you have something to be suspicious for.

You don't fall into "slumps" in mafia games. It's just about posting and thinking. This isn't like, smash or a sport where you start playing bad. All we are doing is typing. I don't like that answer. Can I ask everyone else - did any of you find Omni's play annoying?

FoS: Chibo

 

[Red Arremer]

@Edrees:
I checked your profile. It said you were online "Today" when I made that post. I wouldn't have posted it if it said you weren't online after OS posted the start of Day 2.

I didn't find Omni's play "annoying" and agree with you that he actively hunted scum etc.

unvote
Vote: Rajam

 

[Pierce7d]

Just reread the first 10 pages. The two deceased independents both wanted to avoid EoT. Ironically, so did the deceased Chrono, who suggested that the only people who would benefit from this going there were independents.

DMG and Rajam wanted to avoid EoT, Edreese didn't want to avoid it the whole game. I need to find .joel and Chibo's opinion (and whoever else I missed)

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=10295828&postcount=156

That post has a LOT of good content, even the flavor based stuff.

 

[EdreesesPieces]

That's really odd, I honestly wasn't online =( Now im kind of worried someones using my computer at home. I'll have to double check on that.

Important thing I almost missed.

in 1000 AD , the title of the thread read "GO GET LAVOS".
in 65 bil BC, it says LAVOS IS HIDING

I wonder if there is a significance in Lavos "hiding" as opposed to us getting him.

 

[Pierce7d]

Hmm, despite me talking a lot, I find I forget a lot of important things when I decide to save them for later, so I'll get this out the way now.

Ed and DMG, did you receive a penalty when you posted in the night? If so, what was the penalty?

 

[Red Arremer]

@Pierce:
I'm neutral on EoT. We don't know what it does, but it's called a penalty zone, so I'd try to avoid it.

 

[Pierce7d]

Thanks Joel, but with three players out of the game, and none of them Mafia, I'm not really too eager to travel there. I'm just seeing how people's initial reactions match up to the recent occurrences. I kinda wanna go back to 1000 A.D. to find the Chrono Doll, and my second choice is 600 A.D. since Omni was actively scum hunting, and he's dead now, so the only people to suggest it aren't in the equation, and weren't town, making it safer.

 

[DMG]

I did not receive a penalty (although I am sorry for posting at night, won't happen again)